"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."
That's my excuse and I'm sticking with it!
>>57290872
>When you [say something], you are being violent.
Disregarded. Sage.
>>57291167
That's not really fair!
>>57290872
>J. Krishnamurti
Who the fuck is J. Krishnamurti?
>>57291905
>J. Krishnamurti
>Jiddu Krishnamurti (/ˈdʒJduː ˌkrJʃnəˈmɜrti/; 11 May 1895 – 17 February 1986) was a speaker and writer on matters that concerned humankind.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiddu_Krishnamurti
A bro who "got it"
>>57290872
This is the thought process that inspired marxists, communists, leftists and leftist socialists.
I can understand the concept and I've spendt some time thinking about it but in the end this is no way to think and will only bring demise to your culture. Even though absolutely EVERYONE lives in their own fairytale and projects their concept of reality based on it.
>>57290872
Understanding? Whats there to understand about mankind?
>>57292506
Its pretty much bound with the common "MAD" policy. If you give up your culture, a nation that did not give them up will overtake yours.
And no matter how much you try to convince the other side to follow your disarment of borders and faiths, you just know that it would be extremely beneficial to them keep their weapons and ideas while you become nothing but "understanding of mankind"
>>57292506
>marxists, communists, leftists and leftist socialists
They are being violent if they call themselves that. Not his fault
>>57290872
>If you have an identity, you are violent
Good. I accept violence unequivocally and without hesitation.
>>57293042
But marxisms main idea is not to draw borders, but force everyone to become marxists as well. This is what this thinker wants, and such virulent ideologies are what he desires to infect mankind in its entirety
>>57290872
i dont want to be one with all of humanity at all
there are a select few that i want to associate with and a decent number of people i dont mind
my desire not to live in shitty conditions with shitty people is stronger then my aversion to violence
>>57293251
He's not saying don't have borders he is saying don't define yourself by the nation to which you belong. People who want peace are not enemies of each other
>>57292998
>>57293251
This.
>>57292998
>>57293251
This is why they are coming for you esti, they're onto you.
>>57293518
He's not a Marxist though, he had no political agenda, offered no political solutions.
The core of Krishnamurti’s teaching is contained in the statement he made in 1929 when he said 'Truth is a pathless land'. Man cannot come to it through any organization, through any creed, through any dogma, priest or ritual, not through any philosophical knowledge or psychological technique. He has to find it through the mirror of relationship, through the understanding of the contents of his own mind, through observation and not through intellectual analysis or introspective dissection. Man has built in himself images as a fence of security — religious, political, personal. These manifest as symbols, ideas, beliefs. The burden of these dominate man’s thinking, relationships and daily life. These are the causes of our problems for they divide man from man in every relationship. His perception of life is shaped by the concepts already established in his mind. The content of his consciousness is this consciousness. This content is common to all humanity. The individuality is the name, the form and superficial culture he acquires from his environment. The uniqueness of the individual does not lie in the superficial but in the total freedom from the content of consciousness.
an ignorant statement in the context of our time
but it depends how much one is willing to listen. In the best possible interpretation of his words, I can say his argument has some merit.
But he ought to formulate or change it in such a way that it does not require a benevolent interpretation on the part of the listener in order to be accepted.
Saying something like distinguishing oneself based on background class or tradition is violent, is, at first, just silly.
>>57292314
>J. Krishnamurti
I can google, this is not my point. I was asking if this guy is someone important.
OK, read a little of the wiki and now I know is a fucking hippie, a stoned rich guy of 100 years ago.
>>57290872
>joos
oh hello reddit
>>57290872
>I am man, a human who stands for their own beliefs, has their own opinions.
Thus I am violent and I will attack anybody who try to take or silence anyone's right to be human.
>>57294076
Freedom is not a reaction; freedom is not choice. It is man’s pretence that because he has choice he is free. Freedom is pure observation without direction, without fear of punishment and reward. Freedom is without motive; freedom is not at the end of the evolution of man but lies in the first step of his existence. In observation one begins to discover the lack of freedom. Freedom is found in the choiceless awareness of our daily existence.
Thought is time. Thought is born of experience, of knowledge, which are inseparable from time. Time is the psychological enemy of man. Our action is based on knowledge and therefore time, so man is always a slave to the past.
When man becomes aware of the movement of his own consciousness he will see the division between the thinker and the thought, the observer and the observed, the experiencer and the experience. He will discover that this division is an illusion. Then only is there pure observation which is insight without any shadow of the past. This timeless insight brings about a deep radical change in the mind.
Total negation is the essence of the positive. When there is negation of all those things which are not love - desire, pleasure - then love is, with its compassion and intelligence.
—J. Krishnamurti, The Core of the Teaching, October 1980
>>57290872
>street shitter mad that there are better races out there
>>57290872
litrally who spewing bullshit as facts, never change /pol
>>57294076
He's right and you were right posting it. But again like the Esti poster said, your country, culture and people would be swallowed whole if everyone started following this idea even though it's right.
When it all comes to all, it's hard to spread ideas to other countries without the internet, and even then it will have minor effect. Human beings are smart but still animals and it would be impossible to preach this and get every single human to follow his idea in this day and age.
>>57294393
I don't find this man to be particularly enlightened about anything. He seems to enjoy using a lot of words to say very little.
>>57293251
listen to what some of his full talks, he answers all of these things. And he explicitly opposed Marxism.
He is the greatest mind humanity has produced.
>>57294076
>>57294393
You just wrote a whole wall of shit with zero content. The only thing i could decipher from it was
>"figure out what it means to be aware of thought, and be blown awaaaaaaay"
Yes, we all are nothing but mildly self-aware sacks of meat that have a common ancestor down the line. But it is inevitable fact that every attempt to bet on the better nature of man is bound to fail simply because among us are born psychopaths.
These are humans that have faulty wiring and will take advantage and subvert any "understanding and openness with fellow man".
We are naturally divisive simply because there is a 2% chance the next person you meet and try to understand, simply will kill, rape or torture you because he has no safe-guards inherited or learned by nature.
And this i base only on the standard ammount of sociopaths born per generation.
No matter how good or "understanding" you are, there will come a person that will take advantage of it sooner or later, and that is hard-coded into our heritage. This sort of wank about mankind will only make it easier for them to have fun
>>57294931
A person hears only what they understand.
— Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
Humans are condemned to a never-ending spiral of combat between each other. It's even hard coded on your name, as it has a specific connotation that separates yourself from others and other cultures. The true nature of man is this. /thread
>>57296200
>a person (singular)
>they understand (plural)
Tfw when you know English grammar better than an amerilard
