Is ''depression'' real or do people just make it up as an excuse to get attention? (kinda like transgender-ism)
>>57266627
A very small percent is real and most is muhh life is hard
>>57266627
yes it is attention seeking. if you would see no point in your life you would fucking end it the first attempt.
both
I am kinda depressed and I haven't told anyone in real life.
Saying depression doesn't exist is the same thing as saying addiction doesn't exist, it's fucking retarded.
>>57266627
Depression is what happens when atheism and socialism infect the lives of individuals.
>>57266706
>because people's view on life are impossible to change
Some of us still have some hope left, and I'm not selfish enough to hurt my friends and family like that.
>>57266627
Stop asking stupid questions, are you a 12yo?
>>57266756
People claim depression is a mental disorder, while my theory is its just people beeing sad and buying into tumblr propaganda.
For me, there is nothing like ''depression''. Youre unhappy for whatever reason, and that doesnt mean you have a mental disorder.
>>57266849
then you are cosidered weak
>>57266863
depression has been around for a lot longer than tumblr senpai
certainly the internet has given birth to a whole new kind of pathological attention seeking of a sort never before possible, but i wouldn't be so quick to write off a wide variety of people's experiences.
the most infuriating thing to my mind is the notion that one cannot recover from depression as a mental illness. the people who say 'oh i'm depressed that's just my lot now i'm going to go be tragic for the rest of my life and there's nothing to be done about it' those people irritate me and i suspect for the most part they are just seeking attention.
someone like >>57266849 appears conscientious at least and for people like that i will always offer support.
>>57266627
Fake n gay
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>>57266627
Not fake, but not a mental disorder either. It's a symptom that your life isn't what you want it to be and/or that what you're doing with your life is wrong.
Funny how the cure for depression is having a truly productive day.
>>57267418
"Truly productive" here meaning truly productive based on YOUR wants and needs, not anyone else's.
You fucking idiots. True depression is characterized by a hormonal system that's out of balance, it's literally a chemical imbalance. A lot of people are just sad and want attention, but true depression is a fucked up thing.
>>57266920
Are you 12 years old or something?
How the fuck am I weak for not killing myself?
Weak people kill themselves, it's the ultimate form of giving up.
Seriously, stop being so edgy, it's making you look dumb.
>>57267788
be more specific
so youre saying that being depressed is caused by low self e steem and being shy that alll of that is caused by genetics and the conditions someone grew up in ??
>>57266627
How is it an excuse to get attention if you turn into an antisocial recluse that avoids all forms of social interaction?
You slowly lose all of your willpower.
Your hope and enthusiasm fades away.
You lose all motivation.
All of your dreams and aspirations go out the window.
You become overwhelmed with a feeling of powerlessness to change your situation.
You become nothing but a hollow husk of your former self.
>>57266863
>>57266920
Haha I wouldnt even wish depression on you ignorant fucks. Id do my homework before spouting bullshit about something I know nothing about.
>>57268148
>yalls juss ignint
>>57268038
http://www.clinical-depression.co.uk/dlp/depression-information/medical-causes-of-depression/
>>57268122
Maybe do something with your life instead of crying about stuff like girls all day
If someone is vocal about how depressed they are, they aren't. That's how you know
Armchair psychology thread #99846325
good work lads
Doubters can go spend a week in a psych ward if you don't believe it's real. Also, thank you Americans for your taxes that pay for my truckload of anti depressants, mood balancers, anti anxiety, and anti psychotics.
Now go back to your delusion that it's a cry for attention or something. I haven't left the house on years. I don't want any fucking attention. I wish you'd all just die. Maybe then I could go to the fucking grocery store. Of course you'll just say that I'm seeking attention by posting this, when in reality you're as bad as SJW calling evidence oppression. You've all seen the image reposted 100 times.
>>57268329
This applies to basically everything. People who say the fuck daily dont fuck daily and people who say they will kill themselfs wont
>>57268122
> Tfw Dark Souls was analagous to basement dwelling and 'kindling the first flame' was really just a wizard emerging from his basement.
>>57266627
It's real
I have no real interest or motivation. Most of the time, I'm really meh and I don't get excited about shit. It sucks.
>>57268296
Maybe you should stop giving boomer-tier advice when you don't understand the situation at all.
He said you slowly lose all willpower, how are you supposed to ''do something with your life'' without any willpower?
>>57268233
There are tons of legitimate research on depression. If you blind yourself to it then you truly are a fucking ape. Its that simple.
Pre med major here. Yes depression is real, it's a chemical inbalance in the brain. It is still greatly exageratted as most people are self diagnosed aka just like ADHD and Insomnia.
>>57268401
Yes. But specifically, depression causes one to shut in rather than ask for help. Unless you're manic, and it's more of a lash-out because you want help.
>>57268530
Oh come on, back in HS I didnt want to study either, but I got my shit togheter and did it.
There is no such thing as willpower, just do it. Its not that hard
>>57266627
mobody fuckin. believes it but it IS a chemical imbalance. when youre depressed, you know it because you literally feel different.
depression has psychological roots. it starts with self pity. and sadness.
however, depression itself only sets on after the feeling has been in effect for a while.
so if you spend enough time feeling sad for yourself, eventually your braisn chemicals reinforce it and lock you into the mindset.
unlike transgenderism which never actually turns your dick into a vagina
>>57268329
Fucking this. I was diagnosed with major depression about 5 years ago. Went to a doc, got pills to fix the chemical imbalance, and was fine about a year later. Been fine since. None of my friends know.
>>57268640
3/10
>/pol/ would exist without depressed people
Don't fool yourself folks, it's as real as the fingers you shit post with
Clinical depression caused by a chemical balance in the brain is legit, and is separate from 'depression' where someone's just bummed out and wants attention.
People who think mental illness can be 'thought away' and push the whole 'just be yourself and take a walk :^)' schtick tend to be the ones selling 'alternative medicine' and overpriced yoga lessons. Cultists as well.
>>57268640
Guise shut it down. Looks like thousand of hours of research and study by medical professionals has been wasted. This man has had the answers all along. Please enlighten us with your knowledge master.
>>57266627
Yes it's real you kek, and real depression seeks anything but attention.
It's real.
I had depression when I developed a condition called CRPS.
It's a shame that tumblrinas have caused the conversation we have now to even exist.
We wouldn't be having this thread if 14 y/o edgy girls weren't so pathetic.
Depression was for me, hopelessness.
It's not like feeling shit, like everyone does from time to time. It feels different.
It's desperately wanting to be happy but being amazed at how shitty you feel, with no end in sight.
I was diagnosed with depression 15 years ago and prescribed meds (I refused to take).
Depression is a real condition, but it's not a chemical problem in the brain it's simply awareness of being in a shit situation with little or no hope for the future.
It's funny as soon as I moved out of a broken home, got a decent job and some hobbies it miraculously cured itself.
Now I get seasonal depression during the winter and exercise is the cure. (the hard part is getting started)
Then again successful people get depressed too, so maybe I was never depressed and in fact rightfully pissed off with the situation.
>>57268640
When I wanted to study I'd just think of how meaningless everything is. You share this planet with 7 billion other humans and this planet is one out of trillions and trillions of planets. The universe has existed for 14 billion years; your 80 years (if you're lucky) on this planet don't fucking matter at all.
There are literally more stars in the universe than there are grains of sand on every single beach on earth, how the fuck am I supposed to get ''motivated'' for something as trivial as school when this shit goes through your mind every single day?
People who can get motivated for meaningless shit such as high school just haven't looked at life from an objective point of view.
>>57268597
This, and real depression is nothing like the pumped up shit you see on tumblr or facebook.
Depression-suffer and pre-med midlevel here.
Real depression isn't the theatrical sadness/suicidality/cutting/etc that you see on college campuses. It's much more of a general sense of feeling "stuck" or numb to everything around you. It's not that you're always sad, its that you alway struggle to be happy, regardless of your good fortune. Unfortunately, it seems to come part and parcel with both above-average intelligence AND above-average creativity, and it's often a heavy price to pay for those gifts.
The impulsive and self-destructive behavior patterns come as an attempt to either find happiness, or to try and find some way that makes you feel less numb to the world around you.
Pic related, its one of the best character studies on clinical depression that I've ever seen.
>>57269139
Knowledge really takes the wind out of your sails.
>>57266627
It's a real disorder, but it's probably over-diagnosed (people who experience a normal reaction of sadness/low mood) and in american medicine in particular overmedicated to the extreme.
>>57266627
It's measurable in the brain. Yeah, it's real. But it's not like an infections disease or something that you treat with medication.
You treat it by going outside. Talking to people. Taking up a hobby. etc...
>>57267418
>Funny how the cure for depression is having a truly productive day
...wat
Clinical psychologist here.
Both.
Some people indeed have depression and that shows even in their physical health. I've seen massive weight and hair loss, depersonalization and even skin shedding. Some studies say you can scientifically diagnose depression by doing brain scans but it's still experimental. It's real shit tho and really serious of left untreated.
But also
There are people who fake it to gain attention. I don't know about the average person but you can tell if it's real or not just by chatting with the person. Depressive people are much more likely to act in a specific way, while fakers aren't. Also, you can talk a faker out of depression while actually depressed people are resistant to therapies.
Depression can also be caused by things other than genetics. Alcoholism, sexual abuse, drug abuse, untreated ADHD and even the economy can trigger depression like symptoms that might develop to the point of becoming permanent.
>>57269288
>knows depersonalization
This guy knows what's up.
Shits a life ruiner
>>57269139
wrong they have just moved past it and accepted they are a dumb monkey with a limited life and that they have needs and desires ; the fulfillment of which requires effort.
there is real depression and then there's tumblr depression. Real depression is about actually being withdrawn and wanting to kill yourself without anyone knowing.
Tumblr depression is about making everyone know how "damaged" you are and then trying killing yourself the least lethal way possible to make sure people feel sorry for you when they find out you tried killing yourself. Men succeed way more often when they try to kill themselves and women are about making those cry for help suicide attempts.
>>57269245
Maybe we can only move forward by not moving at all?
>>57269288
>depersonalization
How do you recognise something like that anyways? I've experienced stuff that I'm not sure whether is depersonalisation or not.
>>57269288
I'm not sure, I was officially diagnosed a long time ago.
I don't ever tell people about it but sometimes a conversation with someone about life can lift my mood for a few days or send me into a pit of hopelessness. I've never self-harmed, threatened or attempted suicide.
I just sometime wake up and wonder if anything I do is for my own benefit and if it's not. Why do I do anything?
>>57269388
and if you get stuck on it for 50 years you are so defective
if you arent an idiot it takes a few days at most to recognize it as a useless thought pattern and then you never think about it again
>>57266627
The attention seekers need to get shot for taking the attention away from people with actual depression. It also discourages people like us from seeking treatment because we don't want to be lumped together with the cutters and X-punk fans.
>>57269483
As a friend, don't even bother saying or typing the term up ever again ausbro. It leads to bad things.
>>57266756
In my experience true depression and false depression are two things, that both exist in today's society.
While many people are right in the presumption that people claim to be suffering from it for attention.
Most people with actual depression will not be forthcoming with the fact, hence why many people such as comedians surprise the majority when they come forward with the claim.
>>57268597
>pre med major
Oh thank god someone who knows the Calvin cycle and 1/8th of his organic 2 reactions is gonna teach us about physiology and neurobiology.
>>57269636
Nobody has to find out that you're depressed.
The only people that know I'm depressed is my doctor, my mom and the psychologist I used to see.
fuck me this thread is full of idiots labelling themselves with ideas someone else made up
just be honest with yourselves. sad
>>57269422
Only way to win.
>>57269649
What are you getting at?
>>57266627
It is real, but thanks to imbecilic, attention-seeking teenage girls a lot of people don't take it seriously.
>>57266863
>depressions exists because of tumblr
>I'm a fucking retard that doesn't even know the basics of psychology: the post
Just because you haven't experienced it, doesn't mean it's not real
>>57269483
I think it's normal for people to have fleeting experiences of dissociation. Depersonalisation is something much more serious and uncomfortable. You'll know if it happens to you.
>>57269559
The problem is not to recognize the thought pattern, it's to fight it off, because it sometimes gets so overwhelming.
>>57269794
Well yeah that's true but it can fuck with how you think of yourself. You see so many people whine about being depressed because they are not as special as they thought they were, it makes you question if you are actually depressed.
inb4 go to a doctor, fakers are given antidepressants just as easily as actually depressed people. Therapists are expensive too.
>>57270194
>have fleeting experiences of dissociation
Yeah, I'd say dissociation is probably a better word for what I felt.
Probably real, my government thinks I'm depressed at the moment and I'm therefore working less, I just happen to be extremely fucking lazy.
>>57269794
Same. I just dont know how the fuck people can break it to friends, how do you even handle it. " HEY GUISE IM A BIT SAD AND SUICIDAL AND SHIT BUT IM TAKING MEDS AND SEEING A PROFFESIONAL SO I MIGHT NOT END UP KILLING MYSELF. LOVE ME".
Jesus, I've been scrolling through this thread and the Austrian guy is a fucking retard. It's obviously one of those spoiled faggots with a rich boomer daddy who never had to experience true depression.
>>57266627
If it isn't real it means I am just a retard. Please be real PLEASE
>>57270197
if you have such shit control of your mind do meditation
...proper meditation
>>57269794
Lol why are Norwegians so depressed lad? So many of you kill yourselves. Just stop it.
>>57270365
Then I'm not depressed, just masochistic or just retarded. When these thoughts come up, I don't even want to fight them off, probably because there's something enjoyable about hurting yourself.
>>57266706
I have it. I still see a point in my life which is to get better. And i don't attention seek. I've told 4 people i have it and thats it I keep it personal that i have it cause i don't want bitches getting involved
>>57270251
That's true, but you need to take the step and not be ashamed in order to actually move forward.
Anti-depressants do seem to be overly prescribed over there unfortunately, but think of it as a tool rather than a solution.
What I did was go to my doctor and tell him how I felt, how it had been going on for years and had been progressively worsening. He took a couple of blood tests to check whether I had any test or dietary deficiencies. Turns out I test well above normal levels and no dietary deficiencies.
Then he gave me a referral to a psych and recommended me to try a small, therapeutic dosage of anti-depressants for a while. I told my mom so she would stop worrying about me and know that I was taking steps to get better.
After taking these anti-depressants for a few months, seeing a psychologist and doing a lot of productive self-reflection, I've now tried cycling off the anti-depressants and have been told by my psych that I should try seeing how I can handle things on my own. And really, I do feel much better. I still feel sad from time to time, but I've learned that this is nothing dangerous or to be ashamed of and how to move past it.
>>57266627
Holy shit this thread is cancer.
Yes depression is attention seeking.. ONLY IF THEY TALK TO SOMEONE ELSE ABOUT KILLING THEMSELVES ALL THE FUCKING TIME AND NEVER DO IT.
Depression isn't attention seeking when it's normal as fuck people living their normal lives and then coming home to cry themselves to sleep. That is real depression, not telling anyone that you have it. Real depression is lying to people that know you have depression that you don't.
>>57270305
The only person I told was my girlfriend, not even my family. My best friend found out because I kept saying thing like "I'd rather shoot myself in the face than do x" to the point where he got worried and asked me if everything was okay.
im depressed
i haven't told anyone but im considering running away
>>57270305
They'll notice and constantly ask
>>57270592
>ONLY IF THEY TALK TO SOMEONE ELSE ABOUT KILLING THEMSELVES ALL THE FUCKING TIME AND NEVER DO IT.
God my brother's girlfriend does this all the fucking time. She even threatens to kill herself.
>>57270544
people create an identity out of being a victim
depressed people are basically just doing what sjw do
>>57270710
And that's fine, you don't have to say anything.
Like, I'm sure my ex-girlfriend figured it out (which is why she's my ex-girlfriend now) but nobody has to know unless you want to tell them.
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What the hell, /pol/?
This isn't refugee camp, stop feeding everyone for free.
>>57269793
Please enlighten us, obviously someone with a PH.D. In faggorty must have the answer
>>57270847
That works for a while, but when you're constantly asked, it's hard to not tell.
>>57266627
Depression is an emotional state like jealousy, if someone is jealous and he sees his gf flirting with a better looking man, he's gonna be jealous. You can't come to him and say: "bro you're just insecure, give her freedom maannnnn".
He might try but his whole being will resist it. Its kinda the same with depression. I used to have it in puberty and the only reason I don't have it now is because as I matured I kinda mellowed out and I picked up good habits that might help with depression like going to the gym.
I guess that's the best solution to depression, go to the gym at least. If you maintain this habit this alone could save you.
Its mostly emo retards saying that they have it but yes it's real
>>57266627
Pretty depressed and I've never explicitly told anyone. Sometimes I just act down and sleep a lot but it is at least not a conscious attempt to seek attention although my peers definitely see it as being overly dramatic or just being an asshole in general. I have thought about suicide and see why someone would do it but if I were to ever attempt I'd make damn sure it worked
I am depressed. But i don't tell it even to my family, but they can kind of see it though.
I refuse to take any medicine. I'll pass through this naturaly, i'm not a pussy. Disease of the century my ass...
>>57271000
Trips of truth. I have to get back into working out. It really does help
>>57270979
There's nothing wrong with that either. You shouldn't be ashamed of being sick.
As long as you take steps to get help it doesn't matter what else happens, it won't just go away on its own if you're actually depressed.
>>57266627
most people who cry depression aren't depressed and are looking for attention, just like the people who half assedly try to kill themselves by downing a bottle of ibuprofen like idiots. Most people who are actually depressed and suicidal you wont know until they're gone
>>57270710
Ah I see. Didnt take it into account. Ive gotten so good at hiding it no one has ever asked. Or no one gave enough of a shit to ask. Could be either.
>>57266706
this. depression is just another result of degeneracy. it's what happens when people can't grow the fuck up.
>>57270878
On what? Depression as it relates to NTs?
>>57271089
Trust me, it won't. But thanks. I definitely don't tell anyone else anymore and I don't bring it up to anyone. If anything, if people tell me they notice it, I just joke around about it and make them laugh and I laugh too.
>>57270818
Yeah. That needs to be fought against.
>>57271000
This 1000x. Playing instruments also does helped me a lot.
Basically keeping yourself focused in whatever you want to do (as long as it's healthy) will avoid bad thoughts.
>>57270570
>tell your doctor how you feel
Last time I went to a doctor to talk about my acne they gave me a steroid meant for woman that made me grow a lump in my breast (I'm male.) I think I nearly grew a tit like bob from Fight Club.
Before that I went to talk about depression and I came out diagnosed with Aspergers. I can tell you first hand that Aspergers is a bullshit diagnosis. I guess a psychiatrist(or -ologist?) is the better choice but you would be amazed how much family members will bully one of their own if they try to say they have a mental disorder.
>>57270592
I know this one guy who texts like three times a year and all he does is cry about his life. He has a "pen name" and tells me he "has done some... demonic... terrible things... that no child should ever do. I've had my blood dranks, my throat cut, and performed satanic rituals for my parents." That's what he texted my friend on Thanksgiving.
>>57271205
Go to a doctor, get help.
Take medicine if you're offered it, you don't have to be ashamed of that either. If you use it in a smart way, as a tool to pull you out of the depths and learn to think about yourself and the world in a different way you won't have to use them forever either.
>>57266627
Depression as well as a lot of other psychical diseases are very real. Ofc there are people faking it or using it for whatever attention-whoring reasons but if you ever had a real psychic disease or a real depression you will know that it can be worse than a physical illness.
I lived for years with a depression that caused me to lose interest in life up to a point where I wouldn't get out of the bed in the morning or moving at all. I'd lay for hours in the same position and neither eat or drink. I'd suddenly get panic attacks for no apparent reason or get blind on one or both eyes for a few hours or get randomly unconscious.
For me it was very real. I lost my Job, my friends and my love. People telling me to "just stop." "it's not real" or "just go to work you aren't ill" weren't helpful at all and probably added to the problem.
>>57269483
There are many degrees but it all start with the past being hard to relate to. You look to the mirror and you can't see yourself. It's a very peculiar sensation, you should know what I'm talking about if you've felt it. You may develop a mask to deal with everyone on a daily basis and go out of your way to avoid thinking about life. You lose your "internal voice". You're not sure anymore about your sexuality, gender, goals, dreams, you just don't know who you are anymore. You become a replica of yourself but hollow.
Don't mistake this for casually looking at the mirror and seeing change. Depersonalization is overwhelmingly terrible.
Depression fag here.
I don't seek attention from anyone those who do are just normies having a hard time after a breakup. My depression is different, it comes from bad self-esteem, feelings of hopelessness and having bad experiences of self-deprecation and thoughs of suicide. One may ask gee if you are that pathetic why won't you end it.
Ending it takes determination and conquering the fear of death a self defense mechanism if I can call it that. While I have accepted we will all die at some point and death is something completly natural, my problems seems like something not worth dying for just yet.
1 thing that would helpful is if more succesful and well adjusted people would stop shaming all people who suffers from depression. Some are faggots others try to hide it less while trying to cope with it at the same time.
Most of it is attention seeking, and by that I mean dumb cunts and normies on facebook crying about a job interview gone wrong, their shitty relationship, a tattoo they regretted or other banality.
I honestly don't think I'm depressed but considering I'm an essential anhedonic schizoid who has no contact with people, and I'm always alone and brooding - I'm probably more depressed than anyone here.
I doubt we're really depressed though, just bored because we shitpost and waste our lives away.
I almost got triggered when you compared depression to snowflake faggot copout syndrome but I'd rather not be a self-proclaimed depressed perosn.
>>57271385
Thank you, anon
>>57267828
your not man, just keep strong. Memes aside depression sucks
>>57266627
If you're a teen you're likely just acting like a bitch for attention.
Of course there is real depression. It exists and isn't used by depressed folk as some kind of conversation starter to grab people's attention and sympathy.
I have only my closest friends, all two of them, and my parents that know of my manic depression, which is barely a big deal anyway. It's uncomfortable and unseemly to talk about, so it never comes up.
I used to know people who said they were "depressed" and posted stupid Facebook updates (all girls one lad) so that everyone will flood and comment in some big circle jerk. It's pathetic. Depression is a real illness that does affect people severely to the point of suicide. Fuck all the posers and pretenders.
>>57269558
There are varying degrees of depression. Only untreated, severe cases lead to suicidal tendencies. Most of the time depression can be characterized by a fundamental lack of motivation and hope, even faith. You just live. You become apathetic. It's not like you're sad all the times, but you actually go from neutral to sad very often, and happy moments become increasingly fleeting an forgettable. You might deal with it with alcohol or addiction but that only seeds up the process.
Except, you know, depression has been proven to be a real thing. Clinical depression means your brain and body literally isn't producing enough/relaying serotonin properly.
>>57270278
Laziness aka lack of motivation is a symptom of depression. You don't have to feel miserable to be depressed, apathetic is enough.
>>57269139
>whaaaaa I cant change the whole universe whaaaa
If you study medicine and save hundreds of lives as a neurosurgeon how is your life meaningless? I know depression is real and can be awful but you are just whining right now.
>>57271061
Se você não buscar ajuda o quadro pode piorar e tomar conta de você. Depressão é sério. Não existe vergonha em tratar esse tipo de problema é quem diz que há chupa caralhos. Confie em mim, tenho três casos de suicÃdio na senpaiÃlia e o Prozac me salvou.
>>57271658
Story of my life.
I keep it inside, I don't talk much about it in real life.
I keep doing my daily stuff, but tend to be far more apathetic than others. Even if I am successful, I don't care for long, the self-hatred and emptiness eventually follows.
I manage to treat it by simply doing my best to ignore and to do enough physical activity, having my body produce endorphins.
I went to therapists, but that didn't change much so I quit. At some point it just becomes a way of living, under constantly grey clouds with the occasional ray of sunshine. You put on your mask and simply cover it up. It gets worse during winter times due to lack of sunlight.
>>57266627
I have bipolar disorder and I can summerise this pretty quickly.
>Having depression.
>Wanting attention.
Pick one.
If you can want attention then you are not depressed. You're too exhausted, you can't even do basic things like making tea, you can't even think about other people beyond the thought "everyone thinks I'm shit". So the last thing that you want is to be around people, much less have their attention.
ITT: Unempathic normies
>>57266627
Most people use it as an excuse.
Depression is real but only a small few suffer from it.
Even so, it is treatable, so people who suffer from it can find help/change their lifestyle to lessen the effect.
When someone is actually depressed, they won't bring it up because long-term depression is nothing new to them.
>>57272084
I know how you feel. Damn right I do. It's a crippling sensation that always gets the best of us, it's just too strong... Until we do something. I won't lie to you: you'll need medication. Medication is a tool, nothing to be ashamed of. Therapy is good but without meds they can't do anything for long. Keep up with the exercises, it'll keep the symptoms at bay for a long time, but if it doesn't, then seek help.
If you need a friend to talk to I'm here.
>>57272325
Not obligatorily. "Suicidal people never threat" or "real depressive folks don't talk about it" are myths, mainly spawned from years of misinformation and psychophoby (not a sjw, I hate this word too).
>>57272084
Go to a doctor, try medication.
I was successful and all, I had been lifting for two years, did well in school, even had a girlfriend. I had also quit alcohol, drugs and cigarettes years ago at that point. I was socializing a lot had a good diet everything.
But I was getting worse and worse. Suddenly I started sleeping all day, but never felt refreshed, started skipping meals because I didn't enjoy food, I lost complete interest in sex because I didn't enjoy it, hobbies were completely gone, I stopped doing schoolwork and going to school. I ended up dropping out and moving back home, lost my girlfriend, stopped working out and so on.
But then I went to my doctor and told him how it was, he checked me for anything physically wrong but there was nothing. Then I got meds and therapy, and now 5 months later I'm honestly better than ever, I feel hopeful for the future, I got a job, I've reconnected with my ex, I'm hoping to go back to school, I've put lots of weight on my total and I actually enjoy getting up every morning and starting my day. It works if you try man, please for your own sake seek help.
>>57269139
Whereas that may be truth, your subjective experience matters to you and you alone.
Knowledge that the universe is unfathomably large and your existence as an integral part of it is astounding and yet cannot be understood. No human mind can. That therein lies the problem, since it is only an idea. An idea distorts the truth, so it is only when the mind is not clogged with ideals,thoughts and memories you can see clearly and live, without a spot of distortion. That your life is all there is and ever will be since you are the only to experience.
You have only your life, anon, and what you do does and doesn't matter, so why does it matter at all? Just live your life and enjoy it, don't force yourself and "find motivation" (as if you can somehow will yourself to become passionate) just find what you love to do and all the rest follows.
Typical and cliché I know, but it really is that simple. Notice how it takes no effort at all to do something you enjoy when it takes formidable discipline to do what you hate? When you already have love, it takes no effort at all.
>>57266863
Wrong. Depression is real and while of course your environment influences things, mental illness is also genetic. I was diagnosed with a form of depression and at the time I wasn't looking at Facebook or tumblr so there was no propaganda or what ever. I basically slept 15 hours a day, starved myself and dragged my feet through the work day. I can tell you for a fact I wasn't doing it for attention, because no one was there to notice, and it didn't make anyone notice, if anything my depression isolated me more and I became more of a ghost. I found out later that I had several members of my dam kill themselves and my dad went through bad depression in his late twenties.
>>57272344
Never tried any medication. Running, cycling, working until your exhausted has been sufficient in the past.
However, the façade fails when you get ill or have some injury which prevent normal physical activity.
I was perfectly average happy during October, ran like 200km during that month.
Then November, I get ill. It lasts, I cannot run for weeks due to fever and sore throat. It keeps getting darker and the depression strikes back.
Now that I can run again, I am getting it somewhat under control, at least I think less often of becoming hero now than a few weeks ago.
Running works as a cure as long as your body can keep up. And as long as you simply have the motivation to run.
They're both mental illnesses
>>57266627
>Is ''depression'' real or do people just make it up as an excuse to get attention?
Yes. Though it isn't anything like that picture you posted OP.
It isn't like you really feel sad or overly despondent all the time. You just kinda have no energy, feel dead inside, and don't want to do anything for days or even weeks on end. You have trouble focusing on things, you have trouble going to sleep or you feel burned out and sleep way too much. You're not really a nervous wreck but you know that you're only maybe two steps away from it, and the only reason anything's holding you together is because you've retreated from the world.
Emotionally you're just kind of numb and indifferent to everything all the time. You don't really care about anyone or anything. But at the same time you're very thin-skinned. All it takes is a slight nudge in the right direction and all that shit just comes up to the surface. And none of it is even remotely good shit. Anger, frustration, resentment, jealousy, despair, etc. When that happens, that's what puts you into the state of mind where you're likely to do something you regret.
>>57272008
Nah, estou bem. Muito raramente tenho crises.
>>57266627
It's real. I'm a sufferer but it's managed with meds. I still have to eat well and exercise to be at my best.
I'm a biz owner and a productive member of society with a wife and 3 little ones.
Can't comment on the self diagnosed tumblrfags tho. Pretty sure they're just angsty with years of big jew being forced into their heads.
>>57267828
Not saying your weak but killing yourself isn't being cowardly. Facing death is scary as fuck and to be brave enough to force it upon yourself I could never call it weak. Misguided maybe but not weak
>>57272984
Se cuide.
>>57272900
you just nailed it mate, people think depression is about sadness, but honestly being sad is better, because at least you feel something. Depression is life stripped away from everything good and bad
>>57266627
I want to kill myself even in my dreams. I can't do it because I have a family. Life is an endless suffering.
>>57272900
this
>>57273062
Se piorar, com certeza. Obrigado, Anon.
>>57273162
ID is J3w.
sorry guys
>>57267418
>Funny how the cure for depression is having a truly productive day
Breddy good point, but I have a feeling I should be chasing animals instead of programming to get my sustenence. Something direct.
I do music and that's pretty direct. I never take my meds when I'm with the band for a few weeks..
>>57268640
You sound as ignorant as the baseball player giving medical advice on that snl skit years ago
>Have clinical depression due to sexual abuse and overal shit childhood/teenage years
>Can't talk to anyone about it because of all the assholes who made it into a meme
I'm really angry about people who turned it into a joke and the neet faggots who use it as an excuse.
I cannot deal with society, it's highly tiresome to be on edge all the time and to take no pleasure in anything.
I've tried tho, I worked, I got my diplomas, but I can't, It's been 8 years since I've been diagnosed and I'm finally doing the step to get the handicaped status.
Trust me, i'm not proud of it, but having a semblant of stability would help me a lot to reconstruct myself.
And for all the asshole who lied their way into neetbux, fuck you all, fuck you for turning something so horrible to endure into a joke, fuck you for calling hard working people wage slave, fuck you for making it even harder for people who are alone and got nothing else.
>>57273455
So how do fake assholes keep you from seeking the help you need? If you're so sure about your situation, wouldn't it be wise to look for legitimate help than worry about being compared? If you know you have it, that's all you need. You don't need no fucking document proving you have depression if someone (who is not a doctor/government agent) asks for it.
>>57266627
>made up
yes, just like everything else you dont have
like schizophrenia, any psychosis, or communicable disease like ebola
another fine product of the USAian edumaction system
>>57273707
You obviously never dealt with the "oh but it gets better", "just do this, do that", "you got little bitch syndrome".
Know what a social stygma is ? Also you think help is just "see doctor, get meds ?" it's far fucking harder.
Even more harder when you're poor, alone, don't have time for anything, hell i've been through several social workers who just didn't care.
Also mom pressured me into being "normal", i'm just at the end of the rope now and upset that I have to go through thrice more loops than people several years ago because of all the faggots who try to fake it.
most of it is not real, but the phenomenon exists of course.
>>57266627
the thing with depression is: it's real. but muh special snowflake attention seeking kids go around screaming "look at me I have depression!"
I everyone would go around saying they have cancer no one would believe the people who really have it.
>>57266627
90% is waa waa life is hard and i don't want to get out of bed because i slept too little and i don't want to do work because I can't get a fun job
the rest is real depression.. like people that are rich and have friends and everything is good on the outside but they're actually going to shoot themselves any day
>>57274061
Of course I've dealt with it. The problem will persist as long as you care more about those idiots than yourself. Social pressure is a bitch I know, but you shouldn't let it go to shit just because of it.
All depressed ppl i know irl are fat and lazy. They were not depressed in our childhood when rhings like work and gf didn't matter and everyone just played videogames and ate junk food. Now others have grown up while those who still just play vidya are now depressed.
>>57266627
Of course it's real. It's just chemicals not reacting correctly in someone's brain. Then again most people just pretend to have it.
>>57271954
>If you study medicine and save hundreds of lives as a neurosurgeon how is your life meaningless?
>saving meaningless lives = meaningful
How?
>>57272603
I know, I know. It's just that I can't get motivated for anything, not just my education. Music used to be my hobby and now I don't care about it at all anymore.I feel like I should be doing something with my life, but I just don't see the point.
I really don't care about how people may perceive me, so it's not like I'm under any kind of pressure to ''achieve'' things. It's more that I'm starting to get worried because lately I can't even seem to enjoy the things I used to enjoy so much.
People and lame ''advice'' articles I find on the internet always tell you to just go ''follow your passions and forget about the rest'', but what if you have no passions?
I even gave my little brother who was drunk and told me he's been suicidal for a while the same lame advice, because I don't have any answers myself.
>>57266627
Yes, are you a psychopath with no human feelings? or do you live in a fairy world where everything has been nice for you your whole life
>>57274427
I know but like I said I'm finally doing it.
I'm waiting to see a social worker next week to start the papers and my psychiatrist is okay to make the papers proving my condition.
So if all goes well I'll have specialist and financial support in some month so I can finally get back on track instead of slowly dying at my current abusive work I can't quit because my face scream depression and no one wants to hire me.
>>57274721
Good luck, anon.
>>57266627
I've been diagnosed with clinical depression, and have been on and off medications for well over a decade. The difference in my life and well being when not taking the medication is drastic, and severe.
I have not much to complaint about in life. At least not more than the typical stuff we complain about here (nogs, joos, etc.). I'm in my mid 30's, I have a law degree, a solid job, rent an apartment in a town I love, own a car, have enough money to go do just about anything I'd like, live within a 30 minute drive of all of my immediate family, and get together with them once a week for dinner. While I'm not a movie star/model, I've been told many times over that I'm very attractive, and while I'm not great at approaching strange women at a bar/event, I do tend to do quite well for myself with the ladies I do meet. I'm single at the moment, but when I have a gf, she's typically a knockout.
Sounds like I've got nothing to complain about, right? Well, I agree. Turns out depression doesn't care much for logic. When I'm off medication, I can barely drag myself out of bed in the morning. I don't care about my job, I don't care about myself, I don't care about my friends or family, I don't care about my hobbies, I don't care about anything. I just sit around in the dark, and pray for the sweet release of death.
I definitely do not "do this for attention." If anything, when I'm being hit hard by depression, attention is the LAST thing on earth I want. I want everyone else to straight fuck off and die, not ask me "what's wrong," or console me.
>>57266627
Yes it is real. However, it is impossible to fix with drugs or therapy. A psychiatrist will never be able to cure depression. A therapist will never help you sort out the chemical imbalance in your brain.
Frankly, the only way to get over depression is to get sick of it. After many years you eventually get as tired of your own shit as everyone else. This will never happen if you use anti-depressants as a crutch.
I am of the opinion that depression is a product of having no real pride or purpose in one's life. It is a factor of the modern ultra-materialist culture of instant gratification and self-victimization.
Young white men in particular fall to depression at an alarming rate. When one is not allowed to feel proud of what they are, who they are, what they do, then depression and suicidal ideation is inevitable.
>>57266627
Yes. Mental illnesses actually do exist, and despite what /pol/ and their extremely limited knowledge thinks, they AREN'T that easy to fake in terms of actual medical attention/observation.
If you're going to bring gender dysphoria(which is a real condition) into this OP, then can we all agree that faggots claiming themselves "gender fluid" are the actual jew scumshits trying to sneak by without scrutiny without having any sort of actual mental illness?
>>57274863
Thanks monkey bro.
>>57275161
Just because many do not know how to use anti-depressants it doesn't mean they don't work.
>>57275161
>I am of the opinion that depression is a product of having no real pride or purpose in one's life.
Don't look far, this is it.
If you ask real depressed people what their perfect world would be it's always pretty much the same thing :
Small community
Stable job
Family
Things going at a natural pace
Calm environment
I often say I would have loved to be born several centuries before, in a small village, as the son of a smith, farmer, townsguard, taking over my father's legacy.
The overly fast, overly noisy, overly complicated world of today destroy people who ultimatly want a simple life.
>>57274918
Do you feel as if anything in your life has real meaning?
Do you feel as if you are simply going through the motions, like you have no real control over your life?
Do you feel as if every relationship you have is vapid, meaningless, and based solely on social obligation rather than any sort of actual personal connection?
If your answer to any of these questions is yes, then I have been where you are. The only thing I can tell you is that life has no meaning other than the meaning you create for it. Feeling trapped in a cycle of meaninglessness is perfectly reasonable, but not personally helpful. Learning how to lie to yourself is more helpful than any amount of anti-depressants or therapy.
>>57276099
>Do you feel as if anything in your life has real meaning?
Sorry, this is supposed to be "Do you feel as if nothing in your life has real meaning?"
>>57270710
Not if you're a pro emotion hider like me
>>57269139
What did you expect, fagtron? I used to use this same logic with myself.
It is what it is. You don't like it? Then stand in a corner with your mouth open and live off rain water and dust until you die.
>>57276099
>meaning
>meaning
>meaning
Shut the fuck up.
>>57277160
I will, thanks for your insightful post.
>>57266627
why don't you ask a medical professional instead of retards.org
>>57266863
>my theory
Not a theory, just a hypothesis, or even just an opinion as you don't have any evidence, just a postulation that have a mountain of evidence against it.
If depression was just attention-seeking it wouldn't show up as clearly on fMRI as it does. It also wouldn't be helped by antidepressant drugs.
Of course this is /pol/ so binary worldviews and complete disregard for evidence in favour of opinion is to be expected.
>>57277254
Meaning is the only thing that matters.
This statement is irrefutable. Deal with it.
