Why is Socialism bad when countries that are considerd socialist (Norway, Finland, Sweden, The Netherlands, Belgium) by /pol/ or channels like Fox News are pretty much outranking the US in every field.
They outrank the US in:
- Life expectansy
- Stress levels
- Happiness levels
- Hourly wages
- Howmuch they like their own country/live in said country
- Paid free vacations
- Education levels
- Workweek hours
etc
Did you know Norway was voted #1 country this year to live in?
Did you know the Dutch pay 3,5k a year for their Health care, which EVERYONE gets, compared to the Americans which pay 6,7k a year and NOT everyone gets.
>inb4 b-but we get Harvard Educated cum-laude graduated brain surgeons!
No, you get the regular Johns and Amandas that graduated with B's and C's, just like everyone else in the Western world.. Only rich oil Arabs can afford the Harvard surgeon.
Did you know countries like Sweden or Finland give their people 9 or 10 weeks paid vacation a year, compared to 10 days in the US?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCvsrJ1QF60
they are the size of california with almost a quarter of the population
you can leave now
>>57265458
Don't forget homogenous
When you have no niggers and your population consists of white people almost everything you do is successful
>>57265499
exactly. Up until recently it was only whites.
and their services along with sweden is collapsing
Social democracy isn't socialism.
It's essentially a capitalist society that just isn't shit in every way.
>>57265525
/thread
>>57265330
>finland is a socialist country
>>57265330
Socialism worked fine in Europe up until recently, since we had a very homogeneous and hard working population. I'm curious to see how the welfare state will fare when burdened with millions of coons and muslims
Socialism can't succeed in multicultural socieities, which Europe will, and is, finding out right now.
>>57265330
Socialism without nationalism is autism
>>57265458
Why does that make it so much easier for them?
Why wouldn't this work in a larger country?
I think socialism just hurts us desu
>>57265499
And
>>57265525
Back when I was in school and broke a tooth, I had an immense feel of acceptance and "you are valuable" -feeling when I realised that the dentist cost me 0 marks.
That one broken tooth made me understand that the society takes care of me because I will eventually take care of the society.
Everything changed in 2007 when the niggers came and the idea of abusing the system started to gain traction. Fuck this gay earth, you are no longer my brothers.
>>57265330
Did you know that the Nordic model relies on capitalism and oil money in order to afford the socialism? Did you know that they're still taxed an outrageous amount on top of that and they're system is nearing the breaking point?
>>57265724
This. Sweden and Finland are going bankrupt from the leeches.
>>57265330
Stop using Finland for your commie propaganda.
Finland isn't successful because of Socialism, Finland is successful DESPITE of Socialism. And even our succesfullness is in question when it's not sustainable, the illusion has already started to crack at its seams with the inclusion of non-whites into the country.
Socialism can only work when its paired with Nationalism.
>>57265917
Literally everything after the capitalism part is bullshit that shows that you have no idea what you're talking about.
Cmon don't exaggerate.
With all the Muslim refugees comming in, the percentage of Muslims will go from 4% to 5% in the whole EU.
Within the next 30 years it will increase to 6-7%.
Thats way less than the US current 42% immigrants and by 2040 it will be less than 50% Whites.
>>57265917
Norway is the only one with oil money you moron.
>>57265916
People don't seem to feel shame abusing welfare anymore. It's sad because it ought to be something you don't particularly like to do.
>>57266036
>Socialism can only work when its paired with Nationalism.
This is the truth.
>>57265330
Too bad school food tastes like shit
>>57266177
This.
It has only worked this long because there has been a strong stigma to being a welfare leech, so people atleast attempt to not become one.
Now that the stigma is going away, people have no incentive to NOT be a leech -> The system will collapse
>>57265599
translate dat spurdo please
>inb4 cultural appropriation
>>57266177
Exactly.
Welfare used to be a thing of misfortune, shame, even. You had to get back up to your feet ASAP.
Now it's a non-temporary thing people will gladly brag about.>>57266252
>>57266139
You mean the nation that's the base for the NORDIC model? Yeah, I know. notice I slipped in "capitalism" which would account for the rest of the profit-making industries?
My point stands, and you never had one.
>>57266177
>>57266290
>>57266411
Absolute bullshit. The amount of people who abuse welfare is insanely marginal and a total non-problem. Of course the amount of people on welfare goes up with the current percent of unemployment but the people who leech welfare are openly ridiculed and the "people who brag about being on welfare" consists of two hippies.
That's with white people, obviously niggers are a problem but that has shit to do with welfare system.
>>57266469
Please stop talking since you have no idea what you're talking about.
>>57265330
Norway is rich because they're 5 million people sitting on a shitton of oil and being guardedby Nato.
>>57265330
I remember you from yesterday, you keep saying 'considerd socialist' while in reality neither of the countries stated are actually socialist. These countries are typical welfare states that thanks to immigration will soon no longer be welfare states. Is it a good idea to have a welfare state if there are no niggers/immigrants to game the system? Hell yes. But it is far from being socialist.
>>57265330
Socialism is something that festers over time, the US isn't even very capitalistic anymore they've had crony capitalism for ages and with the introduction of ever more laws and restrictions and red tape, as well as massive increase in government spending, they're essentially a socialist country now anyway.
The difference is a lot of socialism performance is tied to nationalism, if you have a homogeneous population who are very nationalistic and also relatively small so have a greater sense of community then socialisms peformance is better. It's not as good as pure capitalism but it's definitely less of a failure when mixed with nationalism.
Multiculturalism is a huge problem socialism, immigration will literally destroy socialist societies, where as capitalistic ones do completely fine.
Ultimately the decline of socialist socieites is something that's not fast, look at the US now as it becomes more socialist, we see massive increase in govt spending, unseen amounts of debt, it's on the way out now but it's a temporal thing, it's going to degrade slowly over time before the final collapse.
Homogeneous+decent ethics+work culture+small population+normal gender roles=nice place to live
Mixed races+degenerate self centered attitudes+gov't dependency+reduced original culture influences+feminism=death
>>57266702
Are you implying that the nordic nations arent taxed amounts any sane person would consider unreasonable?
>>57266924
I have 1/3 of my income confiscated, and Congress determined in 1981 that the money doesn't serve any useful purpose and only goes to line the pockets of the owners of the Federal Reserve Bank.
I don't even need Nordic tax rates to be a sane person finding the taxed amounts to be unreasonable.
>>57265795
they have the same arable land, capable of the same aggie output, and fewer mouths to feed. it is the most fundamental industry. this makes wealth easier to come by, across the board. americans used to be the world's breadbasket, it made us rich, the past three generations have squandered it by debt-financing warfare and welfare in the two worst ways: we gain nothing in conquest and we throw free shit at niggers, of all people.
every other western nation does the same, but qualitatively differently AND to a lesser extent, which makes it less obvious that, being socialism, it is still destined for failure one way or another.
>>57266902
the US is also proof that even two competing religious branches is unacceptable. protestants and catholics have split across party lines. not only must your nation be homogenous ethnically, it must have a single majority religion. it was right for us to try to keep the catholics out only insofar as that we were majority protestant to begin with -- not that one is better than the other.
>>57265330
Only works if you have fewer than 10 million inhabitants.
>>57266924
But yet, they live ''better'' lives than you do.
>Any country left of the United States is now socialist
You fucking idiots. Finland has a market economy, all Scandinavian countries are known for good property rights, ease of doing business, lack of corruption. They are very much capitalist countries, even with their slightly larger welfare states.
REAL socialism happened here, right across the gulf from Finland. Fucking compare.
>>57267106
Happend here as well with the catholics, although a minority in comparision to the protestents as a whole. They succeeded in getting the head of goverment a lot because the protestants were splintered and the catholics had one party all catholics voted for.
>>57267106
What's the Catholic/Protestant split supposed to be? As a Catholic, I think both parties are criminal gangs.
>>57266773
they won't be forever. all of the nordic countries got where they are now with relatively free markets and no social safety nets. it would not matter if they had no immigration problem; this only accelerates the Mean Time To Failure of the body politic.
you simply cannot have a thorough safety net and still be productive and wealthy in anything but a transitional phase. the former inherently raises each subsequent generation less independent than the previous, which necessarily takes away the entrepreneurial edge from the latter.
such a people will be destitute, in time. just because the US is way ahead of you and careening into the fjord at high speed doesn't mean you haven't stepped over the edge and have begun to slide yourselves, nords.
>>57267327
i dont think you know what socialism is
>>57266924
Sweden's corporate tax is lower than the US's
>>57265330
SOCIALISM IS A SYSTEM WHERE THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION IS NOT HELD BY PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS.
>[SOCIALISM IS] a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE GOOD SOCIAL WELFARE GIBMEDAT POLICIES DOES NOT MAKE YOU SOCIALIST. Jesus, faggots terminology matters REEEEEEEEEEE.
Denmark for example has a freer economy than the US.
>http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking
>>57266625
I mean I agree welfare is not the worst thing that can and is being done with taxpayers' money. But the wagekuck meme exists for a reason.
>>57267327
>spain is the best performer on the chart
http://www.acton.org/pub/religion-liberty/volume-10-number-1/heritage-spanish-scholastics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_of_Salamanca
no surprise there.
>these prices are in USD, none other
I find the minorities to be the rudest customers to serve.
Whites can be cunts, but it's deliberate
The minorities can be really friendly and chatty when you speak to them, but they have literally no concept of manners. Regardless of how nice or friendly they are, they all seem totally oblivious to using manners, and totally oblivious to everyone else around them. Anyone else get this?
>>57267614
pretty much this. the meme is the living embodiment of the decay itself.
if it were not self-defeating as i described here >>57267419 then the meme could not arise; the safety net would not create NEETs and take away from the productive capacity of that society. it steals it first in the minds of the people, then from their wallet.
and even joking about it is a tacit admission that its happening.
>>57267433
>Telling someone from a country that lived under socialism 25 years ago that he doesn't know what socialism is.
Topkek
>>57267609
This guy gets it.
>>57267609
>this car-making business is fully owned by private individuals!
>lets ignore how 100,000 regulations exist which allow the government to take anything at all from this company at any time they want
>lets also ignore how in the US one of their financing wings was bought by the govt when it collapsed; this wasn't prevented by the law
private property in name only is still socialism. that's nice for denmark, though.
>>57265330
But anon, all of those countries were rich and successful before they implemented 'democratic socialism'. Sweden had the freest economy in the developed world in the 50s. The question is, would they be better or worse off with smaller government.
>>57267398
i don't have a full history at ready command, but, catholic political power in the US culminated with the kennedy family in the 50s and 60s. it's actually on the decline, obviously, these days. but prior to woe v. wade, i think, WASPs ran america.
>>57268043
Admit it though, not all regulation is bad come on m8. A good one is how the Government regulates every car must have a seat belt. This is under the Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard 208.
But, in general I agree. Most regulations are bunk and the government, unless absolutely necessary, should gtfo.
>>57265330
The good times are over for many of those countries bro.
Sweden, Belgion are dead. No more good times.
Finland, Norway, Netherlands still good, but if they follow the lunacy of Germany and sweden
all that good shit, is over.
If they maintain true National Socialist ideals, maybe. But they are fucking themselves slowly with LIBERAL bleeding heart tolerance mentality.
>>57268208
Sounds about right to me, but I just don't know how that splits things on party lines. Whatever. I don't really care about sects and party lines personally.
>>57268046
>But anon, all of those countries were rich and successful before they implemented 'democratic socialism'.
Finland was an agrarian society when Social Democrats got power over hundred years ago before we even gained independency and they were the leading party for about 80 years after that. Jesus people, at least try to get your facts right. Apparently according to this thread Finland used to be a rich right wing country with oil money before it turned socialist...
Actually the slight downfall of Finland started almost the instant when we started to give right wing more power.
>>57268368
oh, well, catholics vote democrat. hence the kennedy family note. even conservative catholics in the south are pretty heavily democrat last i looked. they are automatically friendly with each other because of the "catholic social teaching," which is essentially the intellectual love child of the catholic church and a bunch of ex-communists who fled the USSR late in the game. communist ideas dressed up in religion? a democrat's wet dream.
>>57268567
I never understood those who managed to conflate their religion with Communism. It's pretty much the opposite as far as I can tell.
But I do come from a blue team area, so I can say that many people do treat party affiliation as some kind of a religion. It really defies rationality.
>>57265330
So show me all the amazing advances in technology that Finland has come up with. I assume they have a space program since they are the best in the world.
Socialism works fucking perfectly. When you have the resources.
But this isn't fucking star trek. We don't live in a world where we can just transmute any type of matter into another object, making money obsolete.
So until then, Socialism is a fucking drain on large countries.
>>57269085
Linux, IRC, mobile phone technology, AIV fodder, heart rate monitor.
Space programs are dick measuring contests and we rather use the money to ensure that people aren't dying out of hunger on the streets like in US.
>>57268518
Hah, I guess you conveniently forgot that a autocratic strong man ruled Finland for 35 years from the fifties to the early eighties which were the golden years of economic success and recovery. Single handedly dissolving governments and forgoing elections because he just felt like it. Sure enough that man was no member of the social democrat party either but the conservative agrarian party and a nationalist.
>>57267106
That'll become less of a problem as religion goes away and countries become more secular which they are, the more advanced and modern they are the less religion we see and the faster the religious decline.
Having a completely secular society that doesn't tolerate unscientific nonsense is going to be a massive step forward for humanity.
>>57265330
You don't know shit.
Grow up.
>>57268330
>not all regulation is bad come on m8.
when you have to fund your regulations soprano style (taxes) they are automatically bad
so yes, all tax funded regulations, despite their intent, are bad
>>57269489
Kekkonen didn't exactly oppose social democratic Finland.
>>57267433
PUBLIC OWNERSHIP OF THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION. Not "high taxes" ot "free healthcare".
>>57265330
They've been living off of the umbrella of protection the US has given them.
That umbrella is closing.
>>57267023
DUDE
What about Canada? Bigger than the states (not the arable parts, but it's pretty big) but it sucks as much balls
>>57265330
let me know how long that lasts once scandinavia receives dem enrichments
Tiny population
Few non whites
Huge cheap energy reserves
Lots of money from energy they would not otherwise have
There, done
>>57265330
>hurrdurr lets compare a country with 5 million people to a country with 300+ million people.
>>57271961
Can't really say that about Finland though. They still have a very functioning military.
>>57275250
Would you agree that it would work if the states had more power?
Do the workers own the means of production in Finland?
socialism leads to misery.
case in point - finland
>>57276363
Depends on their line of work.
>>57265330
Finland can afford all that because it is a white country.
>>57276366
Sure, we are miserable but it isn't because of socialism.
>>57276204
More white power
A large welfare state disproportionately attracts welfare leeches. This is why Muslims are moving to Sweden and Germany instead of Turkey, Italy, or Spain. This is why there is a camp of Muslims in Calais waiting to sneak to the UK. Socialism, without nationalism, is unsustainable, since there are more leeches than can be provided for.
>>57276405
What about, I don't know, natural resources for example? Do farmers own the land or do you import all the food in your country? What about machinery at the factories and factories themselves?
I'm geniunely curious, I don't know.
>Sweden being over liberal leftist faggots they've always been, taking in more refugees they can handle
>Totally fucking lose control of the situation, can no longer even keep track of people taken in
>14k immigrants suddenly goes missing
>These illegal immigrants flooding here
T-thanks Sweden
>>57266369
It is just a humorous depiction of the Prussian military tradition going on in the barracks where recruits are forced to clean up their living quarters meticulously and follow rigid communication protocols. Too many high quality conscription army memes to be translated.
>>57266369
Here you go. I have no idea why I went through with that .
:-DDDD
Because spurdo I guess.
Socialism works fine until you run out of other people's money... which shouldn't happen if you live in a country full of productive people.
Still, you would lose the benefits of a free market on those goods and services that the state provides.
>>57265330
Thanks for not calling Denmark socialist
>>57265658
You're drunk Poland
>>57265751
Well said.
>>57279412
>Argentina into economy
Is this real life.
I agree though
>>57278773
You're awesome, thanks.
>>57278773
Actually it should say "whore" not "bitch"
millo se vitun perustulo 800€/kk naminami
>>57283113
Ei ikinä
>>57266137
Kom naar de Randstad en zeg dat nog eens flikker.
Mijn wijk is al 40% allochtoon, zonder het AZC van 1000 man mee te tellen.
De kinderen zijn onopgevoed uitschot en de criminaliteit gaat omhoog.
Kanker toch op.
>>57282977
YES :-DDD
>>57265330
>Did you know the Dutch pay 3,5k a year for their Health care, which EVERYONE gets, compared to the Americans which pay 6,7k a year and NOT everyone gets.
source?
>>57278773
Thangs friend
:DDDD
does anyone have the ww2 russian edit of this?
>>57265330
Zero progress for humanity, all are lazy cunts and soon you will end up like us. Socialism=death
>>57265330
Because until recently they've all been homogeneous white countries.
Socialism doesn't work in a multicultural or multiracial society.
>>57265330
Me as a nationalist, Im at 100% agree with free education and health.
>>57279862
We're national socialists, that's even better.
There isn't a single socialist country in Europe today, all european countries are liberal capitalist countries.
What retards on /pol/ seem unable to understand is that whatever a country may be known for, let's take for example Swedens extensive welfare system, is ON TOP OF the liberal capitalist groundwork. The policies typically associated with socialism is on top of that.
For example, in a truly socialist country, Sweden wouldn't allow its massive mineral and natural gas wealth to be exploited by international capitalists. It would instead use these resources for the people, creating tens of thousands of jobs in the process.
>>57285161
Aye, this.
Socialism is decent, but the people who promote it also happen to be nigger/sandnigger lovers.
National Socialism would be fucking great if anyone actually did it.
>>57265330
Yes, mong. "Muh Socialism" is bad.
Please kill yourself.
>>57265330
>Netherlands is socialist
b8
>>57265330
Yea and they achieve all of this by creating a massive debt that will turn the socialistic part of Europe into Greece in next 20 years.
>>57265330
niggers and population are the reasons why the US cant socialism. With such a large sample size over such a large area shit would fall apart, and people would stop caring about working towards a better society. Also having that many niggers in one place is a recipe for chaos. Americans are doomed by their own freedom
>>57285668
>not real Marxism reeeeee
Found the socialist cu.ck retard.
>>57286228
The other way around. We have so much wealth we're lending our money to countries who are drowning in debts.
>>57286371
What are you talking about? Is your reading comprehension so poor?
>>57265330
fuck finland it costs 3 euros to get a bottle of soda in siwa
>>57286541
Knulla din pappa och mamma och alla dina fittor till släktingar. Hoppas du dör
>>57286916
Spotted the low-IQ subhuman.
Translation: ''Fuck your father and mother and all your cunt relatives. I hope you die''.
Ghetto subhumans in Sweden have a tendency to lash out for no reason whatsoever, often talking about ''fucking'' other peoples mothers.
It's pretty pathethic, desu.
>>57286068
It works in societies with homogenous people because people then trust each other and have a sense of duty towards others.
If you add niggers to the mix then you get less trust in others (mainly because you cant trust niggers and sandniggers because they are animals without self-restraint)
Thats how you get more right leaning politics.
Before the 50s and 60s the US was far more left leaning in both parties than it is now. The change in politics is probably in large part due to the change in ethnic demographics.
The only way that the US can move towards a permanently progressive society is by removing kebab and niggers. This irony of politics is what i love about the entire thing.
National socialism really is the only way one could achieve something closely resembling utopia, but it would require strict bordercontrol and little to none migration for people of different races, but you would also need to keep up trade with other nations (if you go full north korea you get starvation, unless you are self-sufficient)
>>57272860
Canada barely has any people in it
It's big but no one lives in that frozen shithole
>>57287318
>National socialism really is the only way one could achieve something closely resembling utopia, but it would require strict bordercontrol and little to none migration for people of different races, but you would also need to keep up trade with other nations (if you go full north korea you get starvation, unless you are self-sufficient)
Capitalist retards on /pol/ won't ever understand that. Just because there's ''socialism'' in nationalsocialism, they'll start sperging out because muh marxism, as if marxism has anything to do it.
>>57265330
Nordic countries aren't socialist
''Socialism'' in unsustainable without cultural and ethnic homogeneity and a huge stigma with leeching
Also unsustainable with euro
Also unsustainable with shitskins
Also unsustainable with individualism and hedonism
Most Nordic countries' success is due to capitalism. Big government always backfires. OP is a faggot.
>>57287597
>Most Nordic countries' success is due to capitalism
Nordic countries are not successfull.
Unless, of course, you're a idiot who thinks ''le growth''-meme is a positive, while completely ignoring the fact that the scandinavian peoples are being systematically exterminated through low birth rates and racemixing with the racial foreigners brought into our countries specifically for that purpose, and to sustain the current financial system which depends on ever-growing consuming, ever growing debt.
>>57285668
Sadly this.
We have the same problem here as well.
Also these "international capitalists" (aka. JEWS) also stir up shit here as well.
Kill them all.
>>57287318
>It works for a time.
At best, a generation or two. Then the lazy sit about jerking off as fewer choose to work.
Just admit you are a lazy nigger who does not have the balls to steal shit on your own.
>>57265330
Norway has not had to provide for their own defense in almost a century Noway
Norway receives billions in foreign aid from the capitalist US
yeah you're niggers
>>57288010
Sweden has natural gas to sustain energy needs of Swedens current population for the next 25 years.
Are we using this gas? Nope, we're selling it to capitalists for a cheap price so oligarchs in Sweden (also called politicians) can continue enriching themselves at the cost of Swedens stable future.
>>57287525
>Just because there's ''socialism'' in nationalsocialism, they'll start sperging out because muh marxism, as if marxism has anything to do it.
Aye, this.
Having socialist policies combined with capitalist policies is really what we have in the nordic countries.
We have socialism in the sense that we have healthcare, childcare, schooling, hospitals, social security all paid for by out taxes.
But we also have an open free market that can compete with the government run market.
That way the rich motherfuckers can skip the medical lines by going to a private facility(this will cost them money, but they skip the waiting line in the public one which is free)
Letting those guys pay for it themselves lets the poor people spend less time in line as well.
That is just healthcare, the same is true for most of our industries. That means that most of our industries have a competetive market that competes with the public sector(which means that private actors NEVER get a complete market domination - they always have to compete and they always have reasonable prices)
additionally we have lots of decent regulations that keep private companies from price guaging and keeps banks from going apeshit on the economy.
Socialist policies need capitalistic policies - a well run government is the key to having a competetive and fair private market.
>>57265330
its memeing m8
and also the thing in the past, socialism fails because it can be thrown off the balance so easily if the people arent nationalists
>>57288507
>At best, a generation or two. Then the lazy sit about jerking off as fewer choose to work.
The first thing somebody asks you when talking to you at a party is: what do you do?
There is a sense of duty towards each other, you get free school, healthcare and shit so you are expected to work when you grow up.
If you dont work, your social status is null. You are basically the scum of the earth. We call them "NAVers". Nobody wants to be one of them, unless you are a nigger - niggers loves that shit... which is why ive said it doesnt work when you get less homogenous.
Less homogenous, less sense of duty and trust towards your fellow countrymen.
You have no sense of loyalty to Americans anymore because you are increasingly becoming more and more ethnicly diverse.
People are racist by nature.
>>57266177
Worst part is Finns who actually need it get denied
>I'm one of them
>>57287949
Everything OP points to sounds pretty successful to me. But then again you're just a self-hating Swede.
>while completely ignoring the fact that the scandinavian peoples are being systematically exterminated through low birth rates and racemixing with the racial foreigners brought into our countries specifically for that purpose,
So that's the fault of capitalism? Capitalism is simply market economy, nothing more. What's reliant on consumerism is the welfare state.
Low birth rates are due to government subsidizing single moms, daycare centres, bullshit degrees in universities, public and private quotas etc. Foreigners are coming in because of the welfare state. The state is letting them in because the politicians are in bed with private reception centres. Not to mention that the social democratic pipe dream needs a constant influx of new taxpayers or the system will implode on itself much like it's doing in Finland.
>>57267319
The average poor american has a better material standard of living than wealthier Europeans. The US has a combined welfare spending percapita similar to many western european states. The US economy is also very highly regulated. The state needs not to own the private sector but control them throurgh regulation. Nordic countries have public-private mixed socials services and a high level of productivity giving them more efficient public services. The US health service is over regulated pushing up costs. Their is no way a private service can be more expensive than a public service with equal care. The public sector has no reason to economize and like all government departments is incredibly wasteful. Already the US is the wealthiest country on Earth with the government leaching 50% of the GDP. What would it be like at 10%, the position of Britain during height of its power.
>>57266469
>>57266924
>>57267433
>>57269085
>>57271961
Just how deluded you guys are?
>>57287318
It is simply not true the US was more liberal before 1950. The 1960s were when the welfare state was started under Johnson. The US has a larger welfare state now that is has even had and it has unequivocally failed. Like it has failed in the UK.
>>57290649
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_in_the_1950s
>The Cold War and its associated conflicts helped create a politically conservative climate in the country, as the quasi-confrontation intensified throughout the entire decade.
>>57290980
It is true "conservatism" had a rebirth in the 1980s with Reagan this was in reaction to the United States moving progressively to the left. Socialy this is more true now than ever. Right now you have big government neo-cons dominating the democrats and much of the republicans.There are few actual conservatives left who have more beliefs other than bombing everything in sight like shillary and the neocons. It is simply wrong there is was a real shift to the right in the 1950s and most definitely the 1960s, the decade of extreme leftism.
>>57289934
Zero, you ungrateful fuck.
