Isn't it the best economic system for people to fulfill themselves? Literally survival of the fittest? Isn't it the law of nature applied to economics?
>>57264978
why do you post photo of some faggot along with your question?
Because we don't have true capitalism here, we have corporatism.
Capitalism is perfect when the system is closed, ie: borders are protected and immigration is controlled. When corporations are allowed to lobby for open borders and import immigrants to undercut American workers and put them out of jobs for a profit, that isn't capitalism, its corporate extortion and counter to American values
>>57265033
To make you feel bad about yourself.
>>57264978
Yes
Now you see why Americans are so angry at yuropesants
>>57264978
it's not even an economic system
it's just what happens when you leave people alone and let them protect their property
It is the best system to fulfill yourself but you have to take into account that there's A LOT of worthless people who are all about muh fair share ignoring that wealth is something that is created, not something that is stolen from you. That's why we have welfare, to shut up all the leeches.
>>57265253
What? Why?
>>57264978
Survival of the fittest? Not so much. That is a biological principle applied to nature and adaptation.
It is an economic system and therefore a political system.
I see the merits but realize the realities of capitalism. It is an international political idea that exists primarily to serve either self-interest or more important, multinational interest. It opposes the sacred idea of the "Empire" and so I oppose it naturally.
That isn't to say I oppose private property, business, etc. but I oppose the idea of capitalism as the doctrine of international finance it actually is as opposed to the fantasy it's a great contest between individuals seeking to accumulate larger Swiss bank accounts. The truth is far more sinister than that.
>>57265198
is that fulfilling part that you were talking about? You're probably trying to mask your degenerate psychopathy with some sort of bullshit excuse. and half assed attempt. you need to hit library a bit more than the gym if you want to "survive" in this brave new world of faggotry.
>>57265324
Have your read ''The Wealth of Nations''? The language is pain but it's worth it.
>>57264978
most people are weak
>>57264978
CHECK OUT THIS PATRIOT CAPITALIST BTFO SOME WELFARE FAGS, BET THEY LOVE BERNIE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4avdFNP5t8
>>57265440
Being fit is good for you mentally and physically. You have two options. Being in good shape and not being in good shape. Why would you choose the latter? I hope those pictures motivates you to exercise, eat good, read, and improve yourself in general.
>>57264978
>implying rich people are the fittest
The problem with capitalism is when it has no limits.
>>57265843
think about how much time you have left before you will have to wear straitjacket. Thats the only option for you right now.
>>57265983
You need a fit brain too like anon above mentioned by trying to insult and hide his insecurity.
People think that hard work = success.
The truth is that hard work AND smart work = success.
>>57264978
It's not really survival of the fittest it's survival of everyone. Capitalism is the only system that respects man's rights. Every other system is one sacrificing some right for another.
>>57265709
B T F O
>>57266208
Yeah, but most of the times being born in a rich family = success, so other evolutionary traits don't really matter.
>>57264978
Absolutely it helpfully make Muslims and niggers starve to death. It also immediately kills off white autists. But white autists would die also in a socialist system after Muslims and niggers having cleared out the welfare system. Capitalism is a quicker and more effective way and it let the non autists capable whites who survive live in harmony and affluency.
>>57265709
>you know wut, this steak is for fuckin tax payers
>>57264978
Because it's triggering.
>>57266447
But they are just rich, not successful. You don't really admire them do you?
>>57264978
>Why don't people like Capitalism?
Because it's evil. It literally does nothing but turn human beings into cogs in a demonic machine, ruins families, ruins the human species and ruins the natural environment. It rewards sociopaths and traitors to the highest echelons of power.
>Isn't it the best economic system for people to fulfill themselves?
For the hyperwealthy, sure. For everyone else? FUCK. NO.
>Literally survival of the fittest?
But it's really not survival of the fittest in a realistic context. It's survival of the fittest in a rigged game with rules that are upside-down and inside-out. And those least fit to even be allowed to live are given the most power or have the most children.
>Isn't it the law of nature applied to economics?
It really isn't.
>>57265098
This is a horseshit argument. "Muh true capitalism" ALWAYS results in croney corporatism eventually because anyone who loves money and power will never pass up the opportunity to abuse it. And capitalism will ALWAYS reward bad behavior so long as it makes money. The belief that capitalism is good relies on the starting point of believing that the market is inherently good, which it is not.
>Isn't it the best economic system for people to fulfill themselves
no, it's a system built on usury, the retarded idea of unlimited growth, and a race to the bottom, where profits trump morals. it's on the opposite side of the same shekel as communism.
>>57266595
Your the reason I hate paying taxes.
>>57265709
>steak is for fucking tax payers
My fucking sides this man is amazing.
>>57266587
Just to add, if their kids lost everything tomorrow, they would probably not be able to acquire the same amount of wealth.
Because in a year or two we'll be seeing the full effect of capitalism in the food industry.
>>57265324
Protip: most humans are inherently evil. That's why we have things called "laws" and strong men with weapons to enforce them. Only an immature retard believes controlling people's behavior is just something that's done to ruin people's fun. Humans are fucking savage apes like chimps. If you let them do what they want, they'll wreck everything. Most humans are cancer and need purged with fire, not given what they want.
>>57266678
And you're the reason I have no regrets for using your tax money. Eat shit.
>>57264978
Because people are weak and don't want to work for anything.
>>57266595
>h00s9cks
you s9cks :^)
>>57266595
>muh true capitalism
kek. notice how the capitalist good goys use that same argument that commies do when confronted about their horrible system.
b-but real communism/capitalism hasn't been realized goy!
Capitalist "haters" = cultural marxists via the "useful idiots" aka SJWs
e.g.
First week:
>No Muslims celebrated, RACIST liar!
Next week:
>Ok it was dozens in New York, and dozens in New Jersey, and a few in Texas, not thousands!
One month later:
>Why don't Muslims have the same 1st Ammendment right to celebrate anything they want to, even 9/11?
This is how cultural marxism works, people. It's real. Your country is at stake. Wake up.
NYPost has deleted the original:
http://nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/32549.htm
but it's still available on WaybackMachine:
https://archive.is/s3oio
CBS has claimed it had no stories in it's archives verifying Trump's statements, but the following clip was found in a private VHS collection recorded off TV broadcasts that week:
https://youtu.be/3auKMHkZJnQ
Dan Rather on Letterman (skip to 12:33)
http://www.visibility911.org/video-dan-rather-on-david-letterman-1-week-after-911/
Mayor Rudi Giuliani
https://youtu.be/hdk7snHe0kM
The media really IS this controlled, this Orwellian. Don't be manipulated.
The big picture, watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIdBuK7_g3M
>>57264978
Capitalism is alright up until about end-game when its been won
>>57266587
Depends on your definition of success. I personally don't give too much value to money, so I don't admire rich people whose only merit is becoming rich either.
>>57264978
>Why don't people like Capitalism?
People are poor.
>>57264978
They're brainwashed by the humanities machine which is full of communist sympathyzing losers who are assmad that their "skills" are useless in the private sector.
>"hey, why don't we let jews do whatever the fuck they wish and see what happens?"
>"fo sho fàm"
unregulated degeneracy, what could go wrong?
>>57266813
Lel
>>57266822
The no true Scotsman argument is a favorite of retards and sociopaths. It's probably the easiest way to hold onto a shit philosphy after it gets btfo. Just say "Oh well that's not REALLY what I believe in." and you get to hold onto your delusional bullshit for a while longer.
>>57266862
>The capitalist middle class aren't useful idiots
>>57265709
HAHA, Based.
Who is this hero?
>>57265843
Who's the girl in the pic dude? I need more.
>>57265709
>not taking this corrupt system for all it's worth
good goyim. attack your own countrymen while we ship some more of your jobs offshore
>Capitalism
>Survival of the fittest
No, that would be Anarchy.
>>57264978
Capitalism thrives off of failures. Without a majority of the population not "fulfilling themselves" the whole system fails.
>>57266928
Hello, George Soros, never knew you browsed /pol/, /lgbt/ is that way
>>57264978
>>57265198
>>57265370
>>57265480
>>57265843
>>57266208
>>57266587
>>57266747
for once OP is not a faggot! thank you based OP
>>57267028
This. Capitalism is an inherently anti-human system.
>>57264978
>fulfill themselves?
>Literally survival of the fittest?
it is called r reproduction. They don't like that. They want collectivism.
They want to live like rabbits. Fuck eachother without caring and eating all day. They do not need more.
Our society perfected this that everyone can eat as much as you want and the consequences of fucking are taken care of by the government.
In capitalism if you do not contribute, you would need to beg for food or just starve.
It is far easier to coerce the productive people to pay for you than to actually contribute.
And those people thrive in our system. They are so many that they will always vote to keep it that way.
>>57267069
>Calls someone who hates jews "George Soros"
>Is a capitalkek
>Is British
I fucking hate this board too much of the time.
>>57264978
>Why don't people like Capitalism?
You literally answered your own question in the post.
Because they cannot compete.
Socialism favors losers and below average people. Capitalism favors winners and above average people.
>>57267028
Bullshit. Capitalist economy thrives from money going around. Richer people and companies causes richer economy
>>57264978
>Literally survival of the fittest?
WOW HOW COME PEOPLE DON'T LIKE IT? You answered it yourself for fuck's sake.
>>57267172
b-but it is a hoomin rite to eat da foods and habba plais to live :DDD ur juzt a greedi pigg :DDD fugg
>>57264978
its unnatural and allows genetic garbage to thrive
>>57267172
You're missing a VERY important point here though. All you literally evil hypercapitalist social darwinists forget that capitalism only rewards ONE trait to prominence: sociopathy. Despite capitalist propaganda, there are really only two factors that lead to economic success in a capitalist system - luck and the willingness to exploit everything and everyone around you without paying any attention to moral concerns.
>>57266940
>>The capitalist middle class aren't useful idiots
nice IQ you have there
>>57267212
>capitalkek
>relying on your own strength, knowledge and willpower makes you a kek
whatever you say, Tyrone, just keep shitposting whilst the taxpayers give you those food stamps.
>>57267339
>there are really only two factors that lead to economic success in a capitalist system - luck and the willingness to exploit everything and everyone around you without paying any attention to moral concerns.
This is what berniekeks actually believe. Stay poor.
>>57264978
survival of the fittest would be the smartest yet scientists and doctors make way less than kim fucking kardashian. capitalism promotes survival of the most manipulative and liars. advertising is way more important than the actual product. look at Apple.
>>57267222
jews are losers and they control the banks and feds.
>>57267339
>moral concerns
>we shouldn't pay attention to the benefit to the country made by this economic model and instead we should make a fucking circle jerk system where gibesmedats are everywhere because much morals
Morals have nothing to do with economics.
You're well-intentioned, I get that, but you're an economically illiterate idiot.
>>57267427
>survival of the fittest would be the smartest yet scientists and doctors make way less than kim fucking kardashian
Sounds like people making how much others are willing to pay :^)
If someone wants to pay $10 for a ticket to watch UFC and 30,000,000 people watch it, why is it bad they made $300million whereas a doctor only made $350k that year?
>>57267394
capitalism allows degeneracy to blossom
how about you fuck off you cheeky wanker
>>57264978
Thomas Sowell take your old, feeble ass back to bed. Marx > Friedman.
>>57267526
why you think homosexuality is being promoted as well as feminism? remember how all the big companies had the fag flag on their twitters? they promote it because fags and feminists will buy their products. in fact straight men are the least likely to buy frivolous crap while women and gays are known to splurge on them.
>>57264978
Just like all systems, it has massive flaws.
One of them is being tied to stock exchange. I'll just talk about that one.
>company X has shareholders
>it calls for constant increase in profits
>meaning you bust your ass for a small group of rich parasites (they do not help your company in any way)
>your company has to be super economically efficient
>meaning reducing costs
>reducing workforce, employees, etc
>all the shit that most of the people rely on (jobs)
>they just inject money in stocks to make their money grow, it's not you money it will be theirs and theirs only
>you can be a simple employee or the boss, you work your ass off for these cunts, you'll get nothing from them but they own you
I laugh at people bitching about welfare "parasites". They are merely mites eating the dead skin and people point at these poor fucks (poor fucks spending money in small business companies the common people own) while a 24lbs leech is stuck on their back.
Remove the leech.
>>57264978
>best economic system for people to fulfill themselves
depends on entirely where you live. Capitalism can't function without cheap labor. The west has all of its commodity only because someone on the other side of the globe is poor and forced to work for pickles.
>>57265370
I'm on the next plane to norway.
>>57267612
capitalism then rewards the ones who promote degeneracy while not rewarding the ones who make society better. sounds like capitalism is what leads to degeneracy. keep the people entertained with bead and circus and make billions or keep the people healthy and educated and lose money. society seems really heading for a good future huh.
>>57267702
Because Russia, which has looser economic laws than the USA, such as a flat income tax rate, which is also very low, and the ability for new businesses to not pay tax for the first year since they started, is much more degenerate than Sweden, where capitalism is alive and well! Right?
>>57267741
Why is efficiency bad and what is preventing you from buying the stock. Do you know what market cap is? Value?
>>57267916
yet the US is even more degenerate than any social democracy nation on earth. our nations media is what is used to brainwash people from movies to music to now even video games. people are paying to be brainwashed.
>>57267911
>capitalism then rewards the ones who promote degeneracy while not rewarding the ones who make society better. sounds like capitalism is what leads to degeneracy
It gives the people what they want. But yes it doesn't really take morals into account. If the people demand gay pozzing porn and it sells well, it will be sold.
>keep the people entertained with bead and circus and make billions or keep the people healthy and educated and lose money.
People choose it, no one is forcing them. If for some reason no one watched Kim Kardashian and the general publci thought she was a dumb ass whore then she would be making $0/yr.
>society seems really heading for a good future huh
The thing is that you cannot legislate against it. You can't just make laws saying "Ok no more junkfoods, no more kim kardashian, everyone must read books and study ancient art for fun instead". It might work temporarily but people will rebel very quickly, especially with the internet.(There would probably be highly popular "rare Kim Kardashian" websites)
>>57266775
>all this projection
>>57267741
>One of them is being tied to stock exchange. I'll just talk about that one.
What on earth is wrong with investing in companies?
You're giving them the capital they need to grow. You sound like a really retarded, bitter and uneducated communist right now.
>>57268106
efficiency leads to no people having a job. you dont think jobless people arent gonna be pissed and vote for socialism now? capitalism itself destroys capitalism, nothing else.
>>57268147
this would have happened with or without capitalism. People are brainwashed in Europe every day and this continent is anything but capitalistic.
>>57264978
"Capitalism" does not mean "market economy". Capitalism is a mode of production - a particular configuration of the ownership and control of assets and labour. Capitalism is something that may happen in a market economy, but not the market economy itself.
>>57264978
>to fullfill themselves
you mistyped "to economically exploit others"
>>57268159
why cant we legislate laws to dictate morality? we already do with murder and theft and drugs.
>>57268308
>you mistyped "to economically exploit others"
And socialism doesn't "exploit" others?
>>57268308
watch out there, you might cut someone with that edge.
>>57268232
>all socialism is communism meme
>>57268335
>why cant we legislate laws to dictate morality?
Because no one will follow them.
We have laws against Piracy because "it's stealing and it's bad!". But nearly everyone under 30 years of age pirates digital media.
>>57264978
S-sauce?
>>57267755
daily reminder:
If you can't define the value between water and gold then you are below 100 IQ.
Golds value is not high for its shiny aspect but its rareness.
This logic also applies value of a doctor and mcburger cashier.
Fuck your equality, leecher.
/case closed
/capitalism wins
>>57264978
The losers don't like it, even though it keeps them alive.
Capitalist countries grow abundant food, and feed socialist countries.
>>57268405
All socialism leads to communism. FACT. Bernie Sanders, Sweden, Corbyn, Antifa... All start a little bit socialist and end full Commie.
Fuck off.
>>57268413
so you are advocating anarchy?
>>57268285
tell that to scandinavia, mr kyke
Socialism is simply degenerate
>>57268496
>so you are advocating anarchy?
I am advocating minimal government, as little of it as possible to run things normally.
The fact of the matter is that Government intervention has NEVER been more cost-effective or effective in any other way than the freemarket.
When was the last time something was cheaper because the government meddled in it?
>>57268272
that has nothing necessarily to do with capitalism except incidentally, where someone happened to be getting rich
>>57267741
Hello retard, no one forces you to publicly issue equity. Please don't spread the bullshit you got from your Business 101 courses
>>57268231
Efficiency expands the market thus creating more jobs as the demand rises. Think about Ford in the 1910s or Sloan.
>>57268549
You mean to Sweden that is working so well?
>>57268578
so you have no problem with a rich guy paying thugs to serve "justice".
>>57267339
Capitalism is just the voluntary interaction between two parties.
The socialists are the sociopaths, because they are the ones actually having no problem stealing other people's achievements. And not some percentages, like 50% to 80% of your work just gets socialised here.
>>57268692
>so you have no problem with a rich guy paying thugs to serve "justice"
What do you mean? Isn't that the government?
Rich people deserve their money, they worked hard for it. Prove me wrong.
>>57268578
>when was something cheaper because government meddled in it
dairy and agriculture and oil
Capitalism > Socialism
>>57268626
Ford was just an evil greedy man who exploited the working class in order to gain from the sick gruesome torture he put his workers! I just want to go back to the times where we didn't have cars. Fuck, then the greedy capitalists exploited horses. We need to go deeper.
To the ancient era!
Oh fuck then we exploited hammers to do our dirty work. My morals go against this.
Better just not get anything done so as to not be offensive and exploitative...whew.
>>57265098
/thread
>>57266073
OP is right. Stop being a kek
>>57268731
>ad hom
Better Dead than Red
>>57268753
>deserve
>not subjective
The think about capitalism is that humans have an infinite amount of wants, but we have a finitie amount of resources. Capitalism does enrich countries and people but it ends up costing us our planet. In the end there is not enough resources on this planet to satisfied everyones wants and capitalism just end up benefiting a select few and hurting the rest. So yes capitalism is great too bad we have an abudance of humans that we will probably end up killing our environment and making it hostile for us to lve in it, all for the pursuit of riches and luxury
>>57268626
>this delusion
the 1960s isnt 2010s or 2020s with computers getting closer and closer to human intelligence. not only will physical labor jobs be job but tech jobs will be done by AI themselves.
>>57268890
They objectively deserve the money they have.
They have earned it through hard work, someone decided to pay them that money in exchange for goods or services.
What is wrong with this? It's completely voluntary.
>>57268840
triggered Berniefag, hahaha
>>57268890
You Berniefags really got the looks, eh?
>>57268890
Is pic related your sister or your wife, Berniefag?
>>57269043
>>57269002
>>57268951
>>57268862
>>57268791
>>57268731
ok I agree capitalism is good, but now you're just shitposting and talking to yourself.
Think of all the kebab you could be removing right now instead.
>>57267005
As opposed to resorting to societal, economic autocannibalism?
If everyone was on welfare and refused to work society would fall.
Because it doesn't encourage sustainability or conservation of resources. It also completely ignores many of the negative consequences of production.
Example: Why cure a disease when you can just treat the symptom and ensure that the customer has to keep coming back for more?
Example: Why bother paying to dispose of waste products properly when you can just dump them right into the ocean and sell your product for cheaper?
>>57265843
>that belly button
what the hell happened when they cut the cord?
>>57269172
>Because it doesn't encourage sustainability or conservation of resources. It also completely ignores many of the negative consequences of production.
And socialism doesn't?
Example: Why work harder when I don't get paid more.
Example: Why work more hours to earn more money if my earnings will put me in a higher taxbracket and i'd get less takehome pay than if i just worked less?
Example: Why work hard to invent things when the government will take away over 50% of my salary because i'm apparently a "rich faggot who doesn't deserve money even thoguh i earned it with my hard work"?
>>57267526
remembah goy, nevah let morals get in da way of profits!!!
>>57268917
You have to realise that technology is one of the main drivers to job creations. Human resources are being distributed more efficient today. Think about all the people working in the IT-industry today compared to the 1960s.
Oh no, no you don't.
Capitalism puts shit into your water, land, and air so long as you're not paying attention and because there's no monetary value in cleaning it up it stays there forever.
Capitalism is great, don't get me wrong, but it must be restrained.
>>57269319
As a real life illustration to your second example, I have a friend who works for a bank, he makes roughly £100k a year. But because of the ridiculous income tax rate as well as all other taxes, such as council tax, he makes basically as much money as a man making half of what he is.
Do lefitsts really believe this is fair?
>>57266208
More like:
Fucking over anybody you can and stealing credit for shit you didn't do = success.
>>57269319
You're absolutely right. I wasn't even trying to argue against Capitalism. I was simply trying to answer the OP's question.
>>57264978
It's good for economic development, but, if left unchecked, it will rum counter to the national interest.
When freedom of the markets is valued above all else, it will inevitably lead to the rise of multinational companies that undermine the sovereignty of your country and others and encourage the importation of cheap labor foreigners who will wreak havoc on your country.
Capitalists believe in and pursue perpetual economic growth, disregarding the interests of nations.
Good governance necessitates taking the most appropriate bits and pieces of various economic policies as needed for the current situation, rather than blindly adhering to a single economic philosophy and putting it above the national interest.
>>57269397
You do realise that it's a capitalistic principal to be able to deny service to a faggot and to pay less to women, right?
You do also understand that it is a capitalistic principal to have the right to sell confederate flags when the government is strongly against it?
>>57265098
>>57268828
>Capitalism is perfect when the system is closed
what the fuck I'm reading about
"capitalism is the perfect system when its unfree"
top kek, free markets come with free flow of labour.
>>57269582
>But because of the ridiculous income tax rate as well as all other taxes, such as council tax, he makes basically as much money as a man making half of what he is
Yep.
This is a real thing. Eventually it gets to the point where people say "Why THE FUCK am I working so damn much and so hard when I make less than if i worked half the time?". And then nothing gets done.
It's absolutely retarded when on paper you're earning $100k+/yr so you should be set financially, yet you know people making ~$50k/yr who get to go on vacations regularly, buy new cars more often and overall live nicer, less stressful lives.
>>57268251
not until the american influence after WW2 did that happen. America is ground zero because in capitalism, money = power. No matter how degenerate you are all you need is money to be accepted.
>>57268106
>>57268226
Stock exchange brings nothing but pressure on companies.
You'll earn nothing of value if you don't have a massive capital to begin with and once a mass stream of cash is playing on the value of the stocks of your company, it will dictate its course. Making more profits being the only goal.
But efficiency isn't bad ! Of course it's not bad, it's just that you don't need the massive leech to begin with.
You can have a company making profits, being more competitive and all .. and you don't need stock exchange for that.
You only need to be able to pay the costs (for production, salaries, ..) and ensure a margin of action.
If you have, on the other hand, a pressure asking for wayyy more productivity (your company is FINE but they are asking you to make TONS of cash), you'll end up with less employees killing themselves on the job, replacing the nervous breakdown people with others being forced to accept a job they didn't want, etc ..
You turn your company into a backstabbing bitches workplace.
And just as i, you don't own a company, you're among backstabbing bitches.
I used to do different jobs, i used to be a sys admin. Incapable of finding a new job after a company collapsed, had to be a helpdesk bitch.
Made me hate every employee, executive and every living human being. Had my hair starting to turn white above my forehead at the age of 33 for fuck's sake.
I searched for a better job and it hit me : fuck pressure. fuck these guys.
Now i do landscaping. I'm happy, fit again, i work my hours, i don't have to hurry, i get paid enough (more than a helpdesk slave), no responsibilities after a day of work.
Mock me if you feel the need to .. yesterday, i spent 3 hours with a guy and his wife learning about beekeeping and enjoying a beer. Beats a meeting with a cunt about "being assertive on the phone with a precious client oy vey" tenfold.
>>57266595
>This is a horseshit argument. "Muh true capitalism" ALWAYS results in croney corporatism eventually because anyone who loves money and power will never pass up the opportunity to abuse it.
Pfffhahaha oh wow Hayek was right.
It recognizes no value, moral or ideal besides maximizing profit at any cost.
>>57269741
are you saying that only under a capitalist system can you deny someone service? no one was denied service before capitalism?
i think you're confusing a free market with a capitalistic system
>>57268769
Hahahahaha @dairy. Price floors aren't efficient, amigo
>>57268753
Everyone in the Hilton family but the guy who started and nurtured the business.
>>57269869
>And just as i, you don't own a company, you're among backstabbing bitches
Even if this was true, it's better for me.
I trade, so I like it when companies I invest in make money.
You seem mad that some people make money but you're not.
>>57269852
>someone making $50k lives better than someone making $100k
top kek. the judeo-capitalists are truly delusional
>>57270019
>Everyone in the Hilton family but the guy who started and nurtured the business
And?
Someone in their family made a shit-ton of money, deservingly. He handed that money down to his children. What's unfair?
If you were rich would not hand down an amazing life to your children?
>>57269741
>implying the capitals don't buy the government and change the rules to suit them.
>>57269741
>ou do realise that it's a capitalistic principal to be able to deny service to a faggot and to pay less to women, right?
Market then hires more women of the same quality as male workers cheaper. The male workers then have no choice but to work at the same wage. This exact scenario happened in South Africa because people didn't want to pay white Afrikaans more.
>You do also understand that it is a capitalistic principal to have the right to sell confederate flags when the government is strongly against it?
Yeah, so? ISIS cake.
>>57269967
Google is your friend.
Definition of capitalism in English:
noun
[mass noun]
An economic and political system in which a country’s trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state
free market
noun
Simple Definition of free market
: an economic market or system in which prices are based on competition among private businesses and not controlled by a government
>>57270112
both socialist and capitalist have this silly notion of "justification of existance through labour" for the rich. in order words you must prove that you deserve to be rich, you must work hard even if you inherited.
because they don't want to accept that world is not fair, that plenty of lazy rich brats will live like neet kings while plenty of hard workers will die in poverty just as they were born into it
>>57270019
And the offspring are spending and/or investing it.
>A fool and his money are quickly separated
>>57270245
Source. That is bullshit.
>>57270277
>because they don't want to accept that world is not fair, that plenty of lazy rich brats will live like neet kings while plenty of hard workers will die in poverty just as they were born into it
Yeah sometimes people inherit their money. So?
What do you suggest? If the government were to make a 100% inheritance tax it would just get split up between greedy bureaucrats. It's much better to let some lucky kid live out a great life because he got lucky someone in his family earned a lot of money.
Btw Wealth is usually lost within 1-2 generations. It is INCREDIBLY rare to see wealth last longer than that. Because the people who inherit it didn't earn it, they don't know how to work hard or maintain it so they just spend it all quickly.
>>57265440
Anon, your insecurities are showing, might want to take a moment to self-reflect.
>>57270416
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/capitalism
http://beta.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/free%20market
you are absolutely fucking retarded.
>>57270245
toppest kek. we live in a capitalist system, are you actually claiming the government isn't involved in the market?
we definitely don't have a free market, and we definitely live in a capitalist country. i think the problem with you is you can't reconcile your ideological beliefs about capitalism with actual real life capitalism in practice.
>>57269172
>Example: Why cure a disease when you can just treat the symptom and ensure that the customer has to keep coming back for more?
Because if your competition cures the disease, you will be out of business tomorrow. This is actually the kind of thing capitalism is really good at resolving, because there is always someone else willing to take your pie away.
>Example: Why bother paying to dispose of waste products properly when you can just dump them right into the ocean and sell your product for cheaper?
That's not really unique to capitalism though, it's not like the communist countries did anything to stop it and they supposedly had 0 profit motive.
Nobody likes cleaning up their mess.
>>57270449
Oh me? I'm perfectly fine with it. I think you confused I'm not the guy you replied to, I'm perfectly fine with inherited wealth. My parents own 7 houses in London and I'm the sole inheritor. I'm 26 years old and doing a PhD and will most likely never work a single day of my life, just mooching off the rentbux. As cicero said, A citizen who gives his labor for money degrades himself to the rank of slaves.
>>57270547
The USA is a mixed economy leaning towards capitalism.
Please read econ 101.
>>57264978
>Isn't it the best economic system for people to fulfill themselves? Literally survival of the fittest? Isn't it the law of nature applied to economics?
Rigged game, like every other system.
>>57267000
https://www.instagram.com/niykeeheaton/
>>57270656
>My parents own 7 houses in London and I'm the sole inheritor. I'm 26 years old and doing a PhD and will most likely never work a single day of my life, just mooching off the rentbux
Nice bro.
What field is your PhD in? Are they hella nice houses? Like castle-tier?
>>57270479
>Oxford
Jesus Christ they're going full on 1984.
As for your argument, it falls apart seeing as how you used two different definitions from different places. Webster's definition of Capitalism:
>an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market
Good God Oxford scared me.
>>57270688
so a free market and capitalism aren't synonymous. thanks for clearing that up
>>57264978
>>57264978
yes its the only viable "system" (if you can even call self-ownership a "system"), anything else is socialism and runs into the economic calculation problem.
Some form of National Libertarianism will literally save Europe. Because while you are an individual, there are others like you, and other not, European man.
>>57270041
Of course i'm not against people making money.
But while i accept the company hiring me making money (duh), being whipped for the sake of stock is shit.
I meet different people every day, from all sort of works .. when we mow the lawn and other stuff for "big company whatever" employees and executives, our boss asked us a favor (while joking but we actually had to do it, i swear).
>Do not look too enthusiast about the job, don't whistle or sing .. don't laugh, seriously, i've got a call from 2 clients being unhappy because they think some are mocking them !
Yep, seems healthy and all.
>>57267899
They live brown/black dick more than swedes. Have fun turkbro.
>>57270745
>Rigged
No, it's nature.
Nature was never fair. The situations we are born into are different. It is only knowledge that makes us equal.
>>57270783
Classics, Just normal apartments, my parents are also single child so houses just accumulated on me. The rent is very costly in London so I can live pretty smugly by renting out 6 houses. Even if the housing market crashes and say I have to rent them 1/4 of the price I'm still above the average yearly salary of a wagekek even after tax/maintenance.
I was accused of not "deserving" the apartments and all that bullshit, typical wagekek rage. Interestingly enough I found this phenomenon not only in socialist but also in the so called pro capitalists too, as If I must have some kind of justification or Noblesse oblige
>>57270896
Wh...what.
A mixed economy and a free market are not synonymous.
Capitalism is a factor of the free market.
>>57270973
Nature is merciless against everyone and still is.
The system is merciless against those who aren't controlling it only.
No one controls nature.
>>57271074
a free market is a free market, capitalism is an economic system.
you can have a free market without capitalism
>>57271070
>I was accused of not "deserving" the apartments and all that bullshit, typical wagekek rage. Interestingly enough I found this phenomenon not only in socialist but also in the so called pro capitalists too
Well I mean of course you don't "deserve" it, you did nothing for it! But you did get lucky and that's good for you. If i were you I'd pray everyday to whichever past familymember in my life worked so hard to give you those blessings.
What field is your PhD in tho
>>57271122
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcpdlXu3IpE
thought you should know.
>>57271251
Thanks, Ahmed.
>>57264978
Actually it goes against nature.
In nature you can't be a sickly, weak, retarded turd lion and still run the pride. You'd get btfo.
Look at all the CEOs of companies and other rich people? You think they are the cream of the crop? I fucking doubt it. Maybe some of them sure but for the most part it's a rigged game.
>>57271122
>The system is merciless against those who aren't controlling it only.
Provide examples.
My example is the fall of Montgomery Ward.
>>57266775
replace humans and people with "niggers" and I'll agree with you.
>>57271335
stay mad, Paco :^)
>>57271169
explain how there can be a free market without capitalism. It really does illude me
>>57267899
they like to get raped by mudslimes
>>57271369
>Look at all the CEOs of companies and other rich people? You think they are the cream of the crop? I fucking doubt it. Maybe some of them sure but for the most part it's a rigged game.
Why do you believe this so? There are hundreds of thousands of CEOs all over the world of different income brackets running different types of companies.
>>57271527
because a free market is just the absence of government or an outside force when trading/selling/buying. there is a thriving free market, it's called the black market, and it survives in spite of the capitalist government that tries to shut it down.
>>57264978
i want to use that tummy as a pillow in a very not gay way
>>57271527
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c71fJV8gyjM
>>57271405
Foreign debts going unpayed without consequences.
Europe raped by "immigrants".
Soldiers dying for their leaders.
>>57271208
I deserve it through luck, I was born into it. Just as kings deserve their kingdom even though they were born into it.
>I'd pray everyday to whichever past familymember in my life worked so hard to give you those blessings.
I should pray to Satan then, my grandparent was corrupt as fuck, did some shady dealings post WWII which I will not talk about. If it was not for him I would probably inherit 2 maybe 3 houses. But maybe even then he worked hard.
Again there is no just world theory, plenty of sleazy fuckers like my grandfather get rich (even though not filthy rich), plenty of undeserving brats like me inherit that and plenty of wagekeks remain wagekeks
honest hard work != guaranteed wealth.
PhD is in Classics focusing on Roman Stoics of early imperial period.
>>57271862
>I deserve it through luck, I was born into it. Just as kings deserve their kingdom even though they were born into it.
True.
Well enjoy it, I am happy for you.
>>57271715
I think you're mixing up a market with the market.
To go back to Merriam Webster, another definition of a free market is "an economy operating by free competition"
An economy is "the process or system by which goods and services are produced, sold, and bought in a country or region".
I'm talking about the market as a whole.
The MW definition of capitalism is "an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market" as was stated earlier.
Even if we look at the black market alone, it is capitalistic.
>>57271862
the problem is sleazy fucks will be sleazy fucks no matter what the economic system is. There's no escaping someone being corrupt.
But in any case, if you're not bullshitting, enjoy your houses.
>>57271862
>I deserve it through luck,
Listen, you have the opportunity to live as a neet and actually work on improving yourself, that's good for you.
However, don't completely degrade and debase the language we've all agreed on using just to rationalize away the reality. If the word "deserve" is to mean ANYTHING, it's to be used in reference to things you've actually had a hand in. Pure luck is the complete opposite of deserving something and of justice more broadly.
>>57272222
again you're conflating definitions with reality. capitalism in practice isn't what the definition is. you're holding on to an idealistic view of capitalism that has nothing to do with reality.
just like the commies who actually think communism is the same in practice as it is in theory.
capitalism sounds great on paper. it's not IRL
>>57272550
This guy knows what's up.
>>57271835
>Foreign debts going unpayed without consequences.
Politicians
>Europe raped by "immigrants".
Politicians
>Soldiers dying for their leaders.
Free will exists and only a fraction of Operation Iraq died just as with Nam.
You're getting mad at ideas and ignore the people.
>>57272032
thanks, robo revolution can't come soon enough.
>>57272372
can't say I am, parents control them and I'm still a pissant PhD student.
>>57272386
my point was plenty of undeserving folk live comfy lives and plenty of "deserving" folk live like shit.
world is not just, people don't always get what they "deserve". That was my point
>>57272550
that's because soviet communism wasn't the practiced idea of communism. Gommie-fags are right in saying this, but it does not provide a valid argument for communism.
What I am trying to say is that America's mixed system is already good, but it can be even better.
>>57272752
>my point was plenty of undeserving folk live comfy lives and plenty of "deserving" folk live like shit
No not really.
As the saying goes, "If you're born poor, it's not your fault. If you die poor, it's your fault".
Of course becoming a multi-millionaire by 30 isn't realistic for many people but if you work hard you can easily be a millionaire in your lifetime.
People who deserve to be rich, sooner or later do get rich.
>>57268405
>State capitalism is communism meme
>>57272683
Exactly.
Politician have the power and abuse it even under capitalism.
>Free will exists and only a fraction of Operation Iraq died just as with Nam.
Doesn't the army have the power to force people to "defend their nation" in times of war?
They haven't done just because there is no need.
I'm not mad, you are mad because some people can't embrace the snake devouring itself(your system).
>>57272871
>If you die poor, it's your fault".
plenty of hard working workers die in poverty mate, maybe your axiom was true in the fake prosperity of 50s and 60s, not true in post 80's neo liberalism. Mind you modern capitalism was the norm and the "if you work hard you can own a house a car and send your 2.3 kids to college" prosperity of the mid 20th century was the exception.
>>57273071
>I'm not mad, you are mad because some people can't embrace the snake devouring itself(your system).
Your "solutions" are worse than the "symptoms".
Don't you understand that by giving MORE power to the government you'll only make all of those issues much worse?
I hate retards who think this dumb ass shit.
>OK I have identified that the government is at fault here for most of these problems.
>WE NEED MORE GOVERNMENT TO REGULATE OUR GOVERNMENT GUISE
>>57272752
Your point about luck was completely bogus and antithetical to the concepts of justice and merit.
The world is indeed not a just place, but we, the people, are what turns it into a more just one. If you have no moral qualms about the concept of justice then I'm just glad you were born into a family of homeowners and not a family that has political pull.
It is right as a matter of fact that some people don't deserve their wealth, and some people don't deserve their hardships. Your rationalizations about "the world is shit, get lucky or fuck off" are just that, rationalizations.
Nobody's telling you that all those houses should be fucking taxed, dipshit, but don't delude yourself into thinking you're any more deserving of them than half the planet.
>>57273071
the snake wants an extremely small, isolationist government that stays out of foreign affairs and the economy.
Yet again, showing capitalistic principals ≠ capitalism.
America, just like most other countries is a mixed economy.
>>57273190
They aren't solutions, there are no solutions.
Every human system is doomed to burst some day.
I'm against any human power over the system.
Everyone is at fault, we as civilians,as the economical driving force, haven't shown politicians their place.
They should serve us so we can return the service in kind, that's their job.
>>57273145
>plenty of hard working workers die in poverty mate, maybe your axiom was true in the fake prosperity of 50s and 60s, not true in post 80's neo liberalism
No they don't.
You can EASILY become a millionaire by your retirement.
>Major in something not retarded
>Work hard during school and after school
>Do not buy depreciating memes, buy appreciating assets instead
>Invest as much as you can into Index Funds
>Work as hard as you can and always think of new ideas
>Start a business
Only fucking losers whine and cry "Boo hoo bad economy!!! :(((( 60 years ago people had it SOOOOO much better". - Shut the fuck up, 60 years ago people didn't have internet and torrent sites to download 100,000 books and literally study all day in order to learn skills to make money like we do now.
Poorfaggots who are adults have no one to blame but themselves. Should've majored in something useful or learned some skills, dickwads. #freethebern amirite?
fucking parasites whining and complaining. I swear if these retards spent half as much time working on a business as they did complaining about "income inequality" and "how much the economy sucks :(((((" they wouldn't be fucking poor.
>>57273497
>Everyone is at fault, we as civilians,as the economical driving force, haven't shown politicians their place.
>They should serve us so we can return the service in kind, that's their job.
Politicians cannot serve you because they are inherently corrupt. They're just normal people liek you and me m8.
Stop trusting in the government. People who can't do anything on their own need to go look for Mr. Government to wipe their bottoms and Mrs. Government to change their diapers.
>>57264978
Was talking to co workers about how amazon took a 200 million hit(I think, but go with it for sake of my point) to put diapers.com out of business. We all quickly said duck amazon and that sucks.
I am not allowed to hate amazon but capitalism insteam. Also I personally have a biased where I am sympathetic to diapers.com instead of being happy for Amazon and cheering them on. Because I am broke and poor with no power.
I guess I see myself in diapers.com situation more than being in amazon's poaition.
I hate that I'm a stupid failure that can take advantage of capitalism to get rich, not hate capitalism for my status.
>>57273501
>>57273605
Man, and here I thought Canada was doomed. This man is the country's only and final hope. Don't let your Anglo brothers down.
>>57273711
Can't take*
>>57273605
I'm not trusting anyone.
I'm just writing what would be good but will never happen.
My stance seeks a system not regulated by humans.
Stop twisting my words into being the government's dog.
They are as horrible/beautiful as any other human, thus not worthy of their position.
>>57273854
so AnCap. Welcome to the club, then.
>>57273302
That's right.
There will probably never be an ideal implementation of a system in any kind.
>>57273762
>Man, and here I thought Canada was doomed. This man is the country's only and final hope. Don't let your Anglo brothers down
T-thank you senpai. I will be leaving this shithole country soon though(if I find a suitable place).
I am a little tired of our exceedingly high taxes and country of literal Bernie Sanders supporters.
Marxsim is best , fuck of fat rich mericans.
>>57274059
>Everyone should be a poor lazy loser like me!
>>57273991
where to though? I thought before that America was the way to go but as I've read more and more about it, it seems less capitalistic than Sweden day by day. Taxes are through the fucking roof, the housing market is horrible. Niggers and other gibesmedats getting all the tax money on various failed social programs. It's absolutely retarded.
I'd love to move to Russia, but their economy is not exactly in the best of positions right now.
>>57273237
I'm not saying be fatalistic, all I'm saying is the just world theory is bullshit, you can of course say fatalism is also absurd and I would agree with you on that.
>but don't delude yourself into thinking you're any more deserving of them than half the planet.
labour does not make you more deserving than me.
>I toiled he didn't therefore I should own the house the factory the means of production.
is socialism.
>>57273501
60 years ago my friend guburmunt was more protectionist and he didn't imported poo in the loo that would undercut the wages. Had a mate who went to states, working under a software company. Typical silicon valley libertarian. 2 years later they kicked him out and got themselves a h1b loo witch.
I know your kind, the delusion you have is that you still buy into the exceptional decades of 50s and 60s. Study capitalism before and study especially capitalism afterwards, torrents come with globalism and outsourcing, you have not only 10000 books. You also have the loo witch who studies 10.000 books and say he will doe it 1/5 of the normal salary.
I would love to debate but its getting late and people like you will come into terms with reality one way or the other. Again plenty of lazy fucks like me will bank 70k£ a year, plenty of poor fags who are lazy will leech off welfare till the day they die but plenty of hard workers will remain in the social strata they were born in. You have a boomer mentality thinking rules of 50s and 60s still exist. I'm also pretty sure you are very young so come back at me in 5 years when you are 30.
>everyone can be a millionaire just torrent books
kek, anyways take care
>>57264978
Capitalism is best when property rights are defended and when there is little to no government intervention.
The worst comes when the private sector violates the property rights of others, or when it deals with the government to ensure a priliedged position in the market, creating monopolies.
>>57274446
this honorary white got it right.
>>57274367
>I know your kind, the delusion you have is that you still buy into the exceptional decades of 50s and 60s. Study capitalism before and study especially capitalism afterwards, torrents come with globalism and outsourcing, you have not only 10000 books. You also have the loo witch who studies 10.000 books and say he will doe it 1/5 of the normal salary.
>Poo and loo, poo in loo etc
So what?
Hire a bunch of Poo in Loo's to work for you, sell your shit for several times more. Easy fucking money.
Poo in Loo's are a blessing for people like me lmao.
>Outsource work that Indians will do for very cheap
>Sell it as significantly more
L m a o. Only problem is you gotta test their work beforehand because some are beyond retarded.
>>57274446
*privileged
Capitalism led to a system where most people are totally powerless and dependent on corporations/governments for their survival. Even though we're well provided for by these groups were like a pampered pet. Bootlickers say But look at these nice treats and toys the master gives us. Counterculture says But he can have us put down, or if he dies, we may get a new master who doesn't treat us so well.
To the true capitalism advocates. If there was true capitalism most people would starve to death since they can't compete with automated factories and farms and there is only so much demand for luxury goods.
The best socialism is democratic communism. Array the economy by popular vote. That way, we have some power over our own sustenance.
>>57274267
>where to though? I thought before that America was the way to go but as I've read more and more about it, it seems less capitalistic than Sweden day by day
The US is still among the best place for business. Salaries are as high as ever, taxes are high yes but you can move your business to Puerto Rico where you essentially sidestep them all.
>I'd love to move to Russia, but their economy is not exactly in the best of positions right now
Don't. Russia has some of the most arbitrary and completely irrational business laws in the world. Starting a business there is a nightmare and the economy is not as portrayed on /pol/, tons of social problems as well.
>>57274722
>The best socialism is democratic communism
That's an oxymoron.
>>57274106
fuck you , nobody shuld have the forve about other humans!
>>57274741
well when I said I wanted to move to Russia I meant move back to Russia. I used to live there and business laws weren't the best but also not the worst.
Also, do you know any information about moving businesses and how that works? I'm studying law and will go into competition and business law at some point in time, but I doubt they would tell me these actually useful things in lectures.
And do you have
>>57274913
>and do you have
no idea why that's there, the fuck am I on
>>57267005
This guy posts on youtube. Lets all laugh at him.
>>57274913
>Also, do you know any information about moving businesses and how that works?
http://www.bizfilings.com/learn/moving-business.aspx
And nah I wouldn't recommend Russia. Drug/alcohol usage, HIV rates, etc are all terrible right now and that's as far as social issues go...
Economically GDP is consistently down by several percent this year, over 10% inflation, etc etc. Not recommended at all.
Work in the US if you want to actually earn money. I guarantee it'll pay you significantly more.
Btw become a Corporate Lawyer if you want to make bank
People don't like hearing "survival of the fittest" because that's so scawy. But capitalism does mean self sustainability/independence.
>>57275392
my only issue is that I would have to convert to an american degree. And I don't know if I would be able to afford spending another 3 years on basically the same thing.
Probably my best bet right now is to work for a Russian company in the UK.
And perhaps after enough experience I will convert my degree to an american one and become a lawyer there.
And of course corporate law is where it's at. You wouldn't believe how many people I study with who say that they want to study completely useless shit like international human rights law and environmental law. It's a sad reflection of today's youth.
>>57275801
Good luck... Although if you do get to America you will handsomely paid compared to the UK or really any other country(except maybe exceptions like Switzerland or something). it really would be in your best interest to find out how you can come over., or at least look into it.
>You wouldn't believe how many people I study with who say that they want to study completely useless shit like international human rights law and environmental law
I lol everytime I hear this. In my mind I just imagine le trashman holding their a wastebasket with their resume and life inside of it.
If I had a shekel for everytime I've heard someone studying International Relations say they're going to "Work for the UN and make a real difference in the world and make a lot of money too!" I wouldn't have to work anymore.
>>57271527
At least Paco works.
>>57264978
Capitalism sheds light on how much of a loser you are.
That is why it is hated by marxists.
>>57276113
IR is possibly viable if you have a master's degree in something totally different. It basically just teaches you essay writing skills, which you can learn without having to pay for it.
As far as America goes, my best bet is to work there as an international lawyer, not a domestic one, and deal with transnational corporations instead.
I don't know how viable it would be to study until I'm 30 to only make around $80k starting, having to get around 7-10 work experience to get something along the lines of $200k per annum when I can start working after I finish university and work in Clifford Chance, for example, which can move around its clients from the UK to Shitpostalia to the US every now and again.
>>57276145
I have three internships. I have to study to be able to get paid and be the "greedy capitalist fuck" you all hate whilst Paco works illegally drying clothes and cleaning toilets.
>>57264978
>Why don't people like Capitalism?
The bureaucrat parasites do everything they can to hold on to the taxpayer tit. They follow their personal self interest like everyone else.
The 40-60% of the country's GDP they redistribute is spent on what's basically propaganda - programs that sound good, make people dependent on government and ideally eliminate private alternatives from the market. Hard results, consequences, client satisfaction are irrelevant to them. And they control the bulk of education too.
>>57274367
>labour does not make you more deserving than me.
Labor and merit are all that makes one deserving of something in this regard. If you're using the word differently, I'd be glad to hear what your definition is, how it has any mapping to reality, and how it is not diluted from its historical meaning to the point of having no meaning in the first place.
>>I toiled he didn't therefore I should own the house the factory the means of production.
>is socialism.
Nobody is talking about what ought to be done about it. The point of contention here is your complete lack of humility and disregard for the English language.
>>57270760
Muh nigga Portugal delivers.
>>57267400
Then explain while degenerates like Miley Cyrus get rich in this great system instead of hard working doctors, scientist i.e. actually useful people.
>>57277668
Supply and Demand / the market
There are people that demand that kind of thing, and that are willing to pay big money for it.
