With logic like this, who needs religion?
Stoicism is just brain hacking.
Thats why romans after seneca created *romani roboris secta*. Just because you cant change the world change your mind-philosophy of keks
>>57262945
You're mistaken. Religion is not something that you should look to in fear of what may happen after you're gone. Religion is a tool to provide you with moral guidance, strength of will in troubling times, and the sense of community and participation in something larger than yourself that all humans crave.
Unfortunately most people are illogical and lacking self-discipline
>>57262945
He's a retard. It doesn't matter if the God is unjust if he is your fucking God
>>57263057
But a basic morality can be understood via logic. Treat others the way you would like to be treated doesn't need any supernatural religious connotation to be understood
>>57263112
This. God's will decides what is just.
>>57262945
>also thinking for one second you're good enough to "earn" your place in heaven by hard and honest work
>pic related
>>57263339
There cannot be any form of basic objective morality in the absence of God. Anyone's desire would be ontologically equal to everyone else's. Might would make "right". Hitler and Gandhi would be just apples and oranges.
>>57263057
>moral
Maybe 10% of it
>strength
That's all you bby. Give yourself credit
>community
So you need some mythical pretense to be nice to your neighbors?
You can be religious if you want but it just seems to me analagous to government intervention into the economy; why add a 3rd party when 2 works more efficiently. Free market best market
>>57263112
Are you Muslim? You sound like one.
>>57263594
Shut up bully.
>>57263057
Historically religion has been less about morality and more so about conformity in order to have a cohesive society with the same goals for success. The collective needed to abide by the same rules in order for there to be prosperity or in worse environments simply survival.
>>57263571
Incorrect. You don't need a god to imagine how others perceive your actions. Morality and logic are very different things but fortunately the latter is the key to understanding the former. Unfortunately religion teaches from the reverse order
>>57262945
Based currybro here to save the day from degenerate atheists
>>57263112
You could have made a great career in the Soviet Union.
>>57263903
>to imagine how others perceive your actions
Wat? So what if you can imagine how other perceive your actions? Just tell me how I decide if should nuke the planet or not?
>>57263952
so the first quote is just a straight up lie?
>>57264239
yeah because that guy is a saint. Retard logic begets retards
>>57263952
The first quote was better.
You can't even decide on one fucking god you smelly faggot.
>>57262945
Atheism is what we have today so if you don't have a problem with modern political ideologies then by all means, this must be a utopia for you.
It's always confused me as a Hindu why Aybrahamics consider atheism and paganism to be contradictory to living a spiritual or happy life
Just don't be a jerk
>>57262945
> imlying being devout is not a virtue
>>57262945
>>57262945
>>57262945
>>57262945
Casual reminder that Marcus Aurelius is the inferior philosopher of stoicism. He didn't get to tutor the based Emperor Nero and wasn't forced to kill himself in front of his family.
>>57264422
For me it is.
>>57263952
Thank you Apu, I've read Meditations recently and I was pretty sure that was not the right quote. Marcus Aurelius wasn't an atheist at all.
>>57263571
There can be no objective morality transmitted via human means since all statements are open to interpretation. Not to mention the vast amounts of contradiciton inherent in at least the Abrahamic religions.
>>57264529
Casual reminder that that quote isn't from Marcus Aurelius.
>>57263952
The Roman ideology regarding gods and worship was astounding. It should be no surprise that they were the greatest civilization that has and will ever walk the earth.
>>57262945
Because most people are plebs who can't into Stoicism and will just get depressed or act in a destructive way without religion.
>>57264239
If I adore You out of fear of Hell,
Burn me in Hell!,
If I adore you out of desire for Heaven,
Lock me out of Heaven!,
But if I desire You for Yourself alone,
Deny me not Your eternal beauty.
>>57264263
Indeed
>>57264339
I'm a monotheist
>>57264442
We don't all think that. In the Christian tradition many pagan philosophers are held in high esteem
>>57264870
Casual reminder that Seneca is the only true philosopher of stoicism. Marcus Aurelius spent most of his life at the edge of the empire fighting an unwinnable war against the barbarian hordes of Europe.
I guess that faggot was a super bad commander too because he literally had time to write Meditations in his tent after battles, the dude wasn't even committed to mother Rome like Seneca who bravely killed himself because based Nero told him to.
>>57262945
>curly hair
>white
>>57263571
There is no objective morality, not meaningful at least, objective morality would be great if you knew AAL effects that your decision will make.
>>57264442
Abrahamics want you to be their slave so you can be manipulated by them, one way or anothe, either by threats or fear mongering.
>>57264529
>>57265032
Your use of English literary devices is shit tier.
>>57265366
Sorry, I only speak 4 languages and my English might very well be lacking in proficiency.
>>57265422
Why the hell do you apologize kek. If the Canakek is not satisfied with your English he should impress us with his flawless Norwegian.
>>57265587
I was trying to illustrate how attacking a non-native speaker's English is a bit silly, especially when the vast majority of Europeans speak at least 2 languages whilst Candakek might very well only speak 1.
>>57264153
It's more about putting yourself in someone else's perspective. Take punching a person in the face for example. You wouldn't like to be on the receiving end, so you shouldn't hit them. Put yourself in the other person's shoes. A child could learn this with no religion involved
>>57265422
However I must say your hubris is quite in well shape. Might I try to guess which languages you speak? Here I go:
Norwegian
English
Arabic
Somali
>>57265587
Why would I learn a language spoken by mountain swedes only amounting to little over 5 million when I could just speak the most relevant language in the world, alongside disgusting Quebec tier French that is taught to us in schools even though I am on the West Coast.
>>57265706
I'm learning Greek atm fampai.
>>57265777
Yepp, you got it. I actually work in intelligence because I speak Somali and Arabic. Pretty neat, right?
>>57265706
>My English may be shit but most people where I'm from speak multiple languages that aren't English. Whereas most people where you're from only speak one.
That's some shit tier logic. Your English is fine though.
>>57265904
haha, you're a funny guy. On an unrelated note, how does it feel to have the most beautiful women in the world?
>>57265918
Bruh, I was being hubristic
>>57265904
>>57266017
Yeah mate he was trying to show the shitposter who's boss with PUA negging techniques. :^)
>>57263057
What if no religion offer the *right* moral guidance? Can I start my own? It's not my fault organized religion hasnt kept up with the 21st century (and the machinations of the common jew)
>>57266016
Honestly? It's kinda like you get a bit used to it and it loses its appeal. Whilst I can acknowledge the beauty of the average blonde chick passing by, it's like it's not "special" or "new"
I conform to the stereotype of Asian women (and also like Latinas)
>>57266078
:3
>>57266324
I thought Swedes on average had higher rates of blonde hair compared to Norwegians. I thought it was just the mix of Swedish and certain celtic features that made your women look so good.
>>57262945
>If there are unjust gods you should not want to worship them
Why? If they're gods, you literally can not gain anything by NOT worshiping them, you'll only bring their wrath upon you.
Gods must be worshiped, just or unjust, because they are a force beyond our comprehension and control. We will only be punished for not worshiping them, and if we do worship them, we will have a chance of being rewarded, it's as simple as that.
If you choose to rebel against God, you will only be rebelling against yourself in the end, it's completely illogical.
>>57267137
A good example is a man rebelling against gravity by leaping off a building to his death, it's senseless. Whether or not you think gravity is just or unjust is irrelevant, if you leap you will die, if you just accept the rational limits of the universe you will live. It's the same thing with an "unjust" God.
Wow. Wisdom incarnate.
