Is religion dangerous?
Only radicalised groups within religions.
>>57241614
>not sabotaging the rockets in the avail of the end of religion
Fucking pleb irradiate yourself.
>>57241654
Every religious person is fundamentalist
>>57241614
only Islam
>>57241808
>Every religious person is fundamentalist
Not every religion. Shintoism, Taoism, Buddhism are different.
>>57241888
This, most of the east-asian religions are okay
nah. every major society in history was built around religion.
>>57241808
>fundamentalist
Every human being has their own set of fundamentals.
Everyone is a fundamentalist.
>>57241614
I'm not sure about other religions but my friend is a Muslim and says Islam is the religion of peace. The guy and his family are pretty cool too, I never see them do anything crazy like they show in the media or how /pol/ describes Muslim people.
>>57241941
Most people swing with the wind family.
>>57241888
No not really.
>>57242026
Yes really. But who cares Germany is a new caliphate, you can find out if Islam is dangerous.
>>57241614
People are dangerous OP, have you not been paying attention?
>>57242078
You telling me the Dhalai Llama isn't a fundamentalist buddhist. Or those monks who never sex or eat anything but rice aren't?
The problem is Islam is evil. Period. Not religion. Not fundamentalism. Islam is incompatible with western society.
>>57241614
>Is religion dangerous?
Very.
>>57242017
>my friend is a Muslim and says Islam is the religion of peace
kek
>>57241614
Behead those who insult Atom.
>>57241888
>>57241614
No allahu akbarish is pecefull religion :D
>>57241614
They came back and helped novac from the legion cultists.
Both deserved to did though.
>>57241614
Religion is not dangerous.
Humans are dangerous.
>>57241614
without religion you dont need morals .look at now and how the world was 30 years ago. its all going to shit and its only getting worse . atheism is dangerous and will destroy us
>>57241614
Some are, some are not. Statolatry is probably the most.
>>57241654
You have nothing to fear from a radical Jain
>>57244407
>oldest Indian religion
>fear
top kek
>>57241614
I cry every time I see those ghouls ;_;
>>57244303
>atheism is dangerous and will destroy us
Okay, Ahmed
>>57241614
Literally no one culture has embraced a non spiritual philosophy before the modern domination of the Jews.
How can you not assume you just repeat what the Jews tell you to say, Idiot.
>>57241614
Only if they're kikes or muslims.
>>57244541
That normal guy who believed he was a ghoul..
>>57244303
Religion has good morals to share sometimes and that makes it an effective tool which can benefit a society. But even if I agree with them, do I still have to believe in some god?
>>57244303
>without religion you dont need morals
I always love this argument because it implies that the person making it would be immoral without religion.
>>57244303
My morals are strong, Anon. Atheism isn't to blame for the world's decadence.
>>57244303
>3% or less of the population is responsible for the behavior of the other 97%
Completely delusional.
>>57241614
Religion isn't dangerous, humans are.
>>57241614
Yes it can be dangerous.
Your actual point?
>>57244303
>without religion you dont need morals
This is a meme. religion is just by far the easiest method by which to instill morals, because it forgoes the need to explain morality's primary use , to facilitate the coexistence of people within a given society. The jewish push for atheism is getting rid of religion without putting in place an alternative means for morality, offering feminism instead.
>>57244601
It is.
2 month ago, some fucking stupid atheist women, ordered to remove all holy crosses from our schools..
WHY THE FUCK SHOULD YOU DO THAT?
>>57241614
Religion keeps us safe from having to fix problems and deal with existential horror.
It's only dangerous when wielded by those who already wish to do harm in the first place. For everyone else, it's just a childish way of dealing with the shitty nature of existence.
>>57244657
It's the progressive, anti-Christians you are worried about. Non-belief alone doesn't make someone a monster.
>>57244788
Well, sounds true.
>>57244642
Its weird to see people in a country where with only the rarest exceptions only theists hold poltiical positions claim that atheism is a sekrit evil conspiracy. Guess it hurts to much to realize that you're actually the ones responsible for degeneracy and is better to blame, as ever, white males, which account for virtually all western atheists.
>>57244788
You'd rather call yourself an agnostic, as me. Atheism is directly linked with progressivism.
>>57244867
But it isn't?
It's just the lack of a belief in a higher power, not some fucking social agenda
>>57244541
NV isn't a real fallout game faggot fuck off
>>57244865
>you're actually the ones responsible for degeneracy
We aren't the ones running virtually every media outlet, and we aren't the ones pushing degenerate legislation. Look to media jews and jew-run superPACs, respectively. Good try though, you are best goy ITT
Atheism = "I do not believe in god" that's it. That's all it is.
Religion = "I have to do serious mental gymnastics and suspend the laws of nature and evolution to believe half the shit they are selling"
Religion is shit. If you're religious in the age of the internet, you're shit as well.
You're just shit.
>>57245019
If you think 3 or 4 is then you have shit taste, My Friend
>>57245022
>We aren't the ones running virtually every media outlet,
Theists? Yeah, you are. Everything you list is the fault of your kind.
Now if you want to make this jew vs gentile, not theist vs atheist, we can have that conversation, but you're the one lumping in a tiny proportion of the country, almost all white males, together, and also lumping in the jews with yourself like a retard.
>people that don't believe in the supernatural are out to get me!
>>57244303
>without religion you dont need morals
if you need the fear of eternal torture from a religion is needed to force you to be a decent fucking person then you're a piece of shit anyway.
>>57244956
Lack of belief is not the same strong stance that atheism is pushed as. The same people that pushed the atheism meme you're being advised against allying yourself with are pushing progressivism, feminism, etc.
>>57245042
>gnostic atheism: I am of the firm belief that there is no higher being than myself
>gnostic theism: I am of the firm belief that there is a higher being than myself
Gnosis is knowledge from experience, or enlightenment. Share with us your process of experiencing atheistic gnosis. If you can't, then you're just as autistic as any theist. The only reasonable nontheist position is agnostic atheist, or "I cannot assume a higher being than myself exists, given the sum of evidence I have been presented".
>>57245245
It's funny you say that because the a lot of Liberals think the Atheist "community" is too far right and feel the need to use the term "Agnostic"
>>57244617
Where'd you pluck that particular statistic from? There is no doubt that godlessness has led to the erosion of public morals, and has led to an effusion of all the nastiest most fecal waste of the human mind, namely feminazism, Sjwism, moral relativism of every kind.
No doubt also that godless philosophies like communism have led to more suffering than any other ideologies.
>>57245371
>It's funny you say that because the a lot of Liberals think the Atheist "community" is too far right and feel the need to use the term "Agnostic"
Wasn't aware of this. Agnostic still is a less firm stance with less connotation than atheist, no?
>>57245245
Not really. The most famous modern atheist (who is an agnostic atheist), Dawkins, is an outspoken opponent of feminism, Islamization, PC culture in general, etc., while the most influential modern Christian is of course the Pope, an expert pusher of degeneracy.
You'll also notice that the vast majority of churches in Europe, and many in America, with the exception of a few orthodox churches in minor slavic countries, preach a gospel of open borders, etc.
There is essentially no push for hard atheism except on youtube.
>>57245425
Agnostic isn't a term you use in place of Atheism, you can be an Agnostic Atheist or Theist but not just "Agnostic".
You can't 100% not have a belief one way or the other.
fuck these ghoul faggots, i sabotaged their rockets
>>57245575
Yeah you can.
I'm neither a theist nor an atheist
>>57245461
Atheism is pushed through the media at large as progressive, even as individuals capable of thought reject those aspects. As for the pope, I genuinely believe his intentions are good, but there needs to be a firm moral basis before you can build a utopian society that doesn't immediately collapse
>>57245575
You can claim to, so as to not have to say "i'm very weakly leaning towards zoroastrianism" or "I dunno but I'm fucking positive the jews have it wrong" based on mood, time of day, or temperature in poland
>>57245390
>Where'd you pluck that particular statistic from?
2008 Gallup poll.
Sorry, it seems to be at about only 0.7% of the population, my bad. Wow, that less than 1% of the population sure is gonna oppress everyone and spread degeneracy! Don't look at the jews, goyim!
Interesting that 0.7% of the population (atheists) account for 8% of the military (pre-Obama), though!
Whatever you do, don't look at the man in the mirror.
>>57241808
Fundamental and radical are two opposit things by defenition.
>>57241888
>shinto
>not batshit
Pic related.
>>57245659
>Atheism is pushed through the media at large as progressive
Nah. The media has only the briefest, most neutral comments to spare for atheism.
I'd love to see proof of this though, and not just trying to scaremonger about right wing religious fanatics. Colbert, for example, despite being a bleeding heart liberal is a diehard catholic, Clinton is a methodist, etc. etc.
>>57245674
what are the stats on jews in the US?
>>57245712
Well a fundamentalist mud is by definition radical since he has to jihad non-beliebers
>>57245674
That is incidentally only in the US, in a country in which 'coming out as atheist' is a thing. This is not the case in Australasia or Europe
>>57245766
Off the top of my head, there are jokes in popular tv shows (american dad and family guy are at the forefront of my mind) that pushes the admittedly weaker in context stance of "christianity is dumb lol"
>>57245766
>Colbert, for example, despite being a bleeding heart liberal is a diehard catholic
Colbert supports gay marriage abortion etc.
Catholicism is merely a social statement for him
>>57241614
If religion didn't cause conflict, political ideology would takes it's place.
>>57245773
2.2%, about 5.5 million, though supposedly I've heard it hit 6 million (oy vey).
>>57245941
what's the stats on jew saturation in the degeneracy pushing media, compared to atheist?
>>57245712
Shinto is more associated with a national or cultural identity than a god.
Organized and heavily dogmatic religions are dangerous as it stifles the mind with fear and blind, absolute faith. It is easy to twist even the most peaceful of scriptures into a call to arms when you have such a loyal flock at your behest. It is inherently dishonest despite the presence of good intentions.
Most Christians aren't even Christian
Most Muslims aren't even Muslim
They're all just fucking idiots.
That was a awesome mission in New Vegas it was hillarious when you know the whole time the rocket will crash... They are ghouls who really cares though.
>>57245829
That's fine, though I'm also going to point out atheism isn't a lefty thing in Yurup by and large and churches are definitely not bastions of right wing thought in general there.
>>57245850
Yes, being Christian doesn't protect you from being a hard core degenerate, news at 11.
When you boil right down to it almost all social differences like that between lefties and conservatives are only about 13% and the mild tendency towards leftism in America from atheists is more easily explained by the fact that most atheists are in their 30s and 20s while people over 60 are the most likely to be religious.
>>57246006
There's an infograph on how kosher the media is around here somewhere.
>>57246112
>Yes, being Christian doesn't protect you from being a hard core degenerate, news at 11.
Supporting gay marriage or abortion goes directly against church's doctrin. If he wants to do so he shouldn't refer to him as catholic. That's false advertisement
>believing in magic sky beings
kek
http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1448133929705.webm
>>57246141
Yeah, we've both seen it. I'm bringing it up to highlight that the case for jews pulling the strings is stronger than the case for atheists doing so.
>>57244617
the west is getting programmed with atheism and we let muslims in. A thing christ fags stopped for 1600 years . how delusial is that
>>57246022
Doesn't make drilling yourself into an aircraft carrier with a bomb-loaded plane for the emperor less batshit by non-religious standards.
>>57245802
Radical means that you want revolutionary changes in the methods of a movement, fundamentalism means that you strictly adhere to a literal interpretation of your holy scripture. Fundamentalism preaches to remain conservative and maintain the interpretation of the scriptures while a radical would want to throw everything over. Radical would be like atheism+ to atheism.
Seeing how Islam hasn't really progressed in ages, I'd say it's only fundamentalist rather than both. It's the moderates who are radical because they decided to not take Islam as serious anymore as they had done for the past centuries.
Radicalism doesn't have to be a bad thing, it's just that it has been bad so often in the past decades.
I bought New Vegas with all the DLC for my first Fallout game ever, did I do right by launching the rockets?
>>57241614
It's old school politics that worked when you could get away with shit like earth is flat since people had no ability to ever check up on that, with coming of technology politics replaced religion with complex lies with grain of truth instead of plain bullshit but hey I'm the king who said so and you don't have a proof otherwise.
>>57246248
It's actually very good.
What Muslims will do to you is what you did to the native pagans of Europe.
Enjoy a taste of your own medicine.
>>57246187
why did the fedora's coffin open if there was a fedora shaped hole in it?
>>57246053
this leaf gets it
>>57246272
Totally, fuck ghouls, they are the niggers of post-apocalyptic America.
Also, one of the DLCs has tons of religious stuff in it, pretty interesting.
>>57246528
aren't they rad-proof? they should be put to work like japanese old people to clean up radiation
>>57244303
>atheism is dangerous and will destroy us
Unlike the religion of peace
>>57246390
clearly you're enjoying the taste of "your own medicine" then seeing as you're british. The best part about you commie fucks is that you'll be the first to go once muslims are a majority. you just wait.
>>57246605
>can't hate one if you hate the other
Literally how support of israel is justified
Depends, certain religions makes a good guideline for building quality people HOWEVER not every religion has peaceful intentions for oursiders or sane ideas.
>>57246528
It was my most recent quest, I might have tops 8 hours in the game. Me and Boone fucked up the nightskins and pressed launch. Now the self hating Jew (guy who calls you a smooth skin) is sitting in novac waiting for me.
I was pretty disappointed the launch didn't fail. I chose wild wasteland though so I hope I see some Ayy's
>>57246184
worst case scenario he confesses, no fuss no muss
>>57246248
They sure aren't stopping it now.
>>57246827
No. Confession includes regretting and restraining from redoing it. He literally isn't a catholic.
>>57246863
I'm 99% sure that lay Catholics are not required to espouse the politics of the church. He doesn't even have to confess having a viewpoint.
>>57246682
>ever notice how every time a shitty group of people enters the US there is some bleeding heart christkek faggots there helping them do it?
Christians brought the Hmong here
Christians brought the Somalis here
Christians help illegals cross the border by giving them food water and shelter in churches
Cristfags are ruining America
>>57246605
atheism is a religion and uses the religion of peace to destroy christ fags . offcourse atheism is the big plan off the jews
>>57246960
Its scary seeing an otherwise semi-normal Christian conservative suddenly enter full kek mode over "m-muh immigrants and refugees they're just kids."
Pretty much any research on the topic, and almost all famous nationalists, tend to be basically right between atheist and Christian, like Breivik, who viewed it as a cultural thing first and foremost.
>>57246943
They actually are. Cathechism literally commands not to support degeneracy.
>>57246960
>Christians help illegals cross the border by giving them food water and shelter in churches
sanctuary is still a thing? and besides, I'm only saying you can be against both the atheistic push and the Islamist push
>>57246860
there is not much christfags left 2015 . so who would stop it?
>>57246943
Part of being a Catholic is accepting and following the beliefs of the Church
Those who vote for abortion and gay marriage are working against it, and therefore are not Catholic
Degenerate pls go
>>57241614
>Is religion dangerous?
only zionism. zionism kills.
>>57247106
Only if you're trying to make the church and state the same. You can believe something should be legal, but still think it's something you shouldn't take part in.
>>57247064
This based nazi nigger gets it
>>57247160
Except we are called to bring everyone into communion with God, and to make society a place where sin does not triumph. Makkng sin more assessable is comtrary to what Cheist taught.
>>57241614
You know what's also dangerous? Freedom
>>57247133
Who is this woman and why do I keep seeing her on /pol/?
>>57241614
>>57241654
Mormons are pretty safe.
the fundamentalist Mormons just try and have a lot of wives.
>>57244749
I'm a Mormon and my favourite topic is nihilism.
if God is eternal, why is the universe finite in size?
why does entropy exist?
why will the universe experience the cold hell of heat death?
the bible promises us eternal life,
what kind of hell does heaven become, when you finally get bored of it?
>>57247216
making something illegal does not make it go away, only more dangerous. A corpse can never repent, and post-mortem indulgences are heretical attempts at shekel-shuffling
>>57247236
Only the murican "freedom"
>>57247023
>not collecting stamps is as much of a hobby as collecting stamps
>>57247374
wtf?
>>57247087
>there is not much christfags left 2015
Maybe in the Netherlands. Tell us what the Netherland churches have to say about this?
>>57241614
People are dangerous
>>57247400
He said a lack of belief in a religion is a religion, and I pointed out that's as retarded as saying that not collecting stamps and collecting stamps are both equally hobbies.
>>57247271
she is an anti-white racist whore
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFE0qAiofMQ
>>57244788
>>57244657
>>57244303
Atheism:
the belief that it's okay to kill babies for Lucifer.
and that Christians are evil for disagreeing with abortion
>>57245766
Colbert is a very poor example of your typical Catholic mainly because he espouses policies such as same-sex marriage, and other liberal foolishness. Hence, someone on the right may regard colbert as any other atheist, given that his catholicism is petty and goes against the Catechism of the Catholic Church. Rather, colbert is probably more baneful than an atheist because at least an atheist doesn't pretend to be catholic, and hence give a poor example for others who might know less.
>>57241614
Islam is.
>>57247611
>kill babies for Lucifer.
sauce me on anyone but jews sacrificing anything on a wide scale for satan
>>57247636
He's a solid gold example of your typical American catholic and Americans are generally more right wing with everything but abortion than Europeans, so not really sure what your point is.
>Hence, someone on the right may regard colbert as any other atheist
Ahh, thank you, I've always wondered how Christians justify the meme that 0.7% of the population is gonna get them, I should have realized it was merely No True Scotsman.
>Rather, colbert is probably more baneful than an atheist
yeah no shit, see other confirmed Christians like Clinton and Obama are totally just atheists in disguise too
Also nowhere does it state that you have to vote for what the Church votes for, pretty sure the Church doesn't even explain what you should vote for.
>>57247597
>>57247890
>Also nowhere does it state that you have to vote for what the Church votes for, pretty sure the Church doesn't even explain what you should vote for.
YES. In the cathechism you fag. His point was that people will associate the catholic church with libtard ideology if this libtard pretends to be catholic
>Clinton and Obama
Prots are free to interpret the bible on their own.
>American catholic
No such thing. Catholic is catholic is catholic.
>No True Scotsman.
1. To be catholic you have to believe the church is always right
2. Colbert thinks the church is wrong on gay marriage etc.
3. Hence Colbert is not a catholic.
Is that really that hard to understand? No true scotsman means unrelated attributes not the literal definition
>>57248433
Worst case scenario he's still a Christian, dude, and therefore irrelevant to the discussion.
>>57248433
>2. Colbert thinks the church is wrong on gay marriage etc.
Colbert thinks the secular government should not restrict. Do you think it should be a crime to become drunk in your own home, to wear two different fabrics, or to have any part of your body inked or pierced?
>>57241614
Nah not at all.
>>57248514
>Do you think it should be a crime to become drunk in your own home, to wear two different fabrics, or to have any part of your body inked or pierced?
No and neither does Christianity. It's very clear which rules of Leviticus still apply and which not. Regardless how often atheshits spout this meme and ignoring the answer.
>>57248575
>islam is the cause of humanity's sickness
nice try shlomo but the bitch herself said jews are the major part of this
>>57248610
>Regardless how often atheshits spout this meme and ignoring the answer.
>Doesn't share my exact understanding of which of god's laws still apply
>must be atheist
Episcopalian, but same difference right?
>>57248676
do you have reading comprehension
islam is the sickness
jews are the cause of this sickness
>>57248733
>islam is the sickness
>jews are the cause of this sickness
I've seen dumb things on /pol/.
This is the dumbest.
Congratulations on being a dindu.
>>57248733
Islam is a primary symptom, but the sickness is deeper. A proper definition of the sickness would include the symptoms of multiculturalism and feminism et al.
>>57248813
stay mad moshe
>>57248813
shalom shlomo
>>57248514
Colbert as an authority.
Proof for the no-information crowd that the US is on the wrong path.
>>57248720
>Doesn't share my exact understanding of which of god's laws still apply
Jesus' understanding not mine
>>57241808
>only Islam
Pick up a history book Germany
>>57248950
Jesus, as the fulfillment of the law, subverted the standing law that sentenced every sinner not only to death, but to damnation. Just as war != murder then, war != murder now, for example
>>57248985
What religion are you afraid of family? Ebil Sikhs? Buddhists? Wiccas?
>>57241614
Any form of groupthink is dangerous. Not all cults call themselves religions.
Never give up your own ability to question everything.
Learn to be objective and bias free, learn to seek the truth even if it's inconvenient and, most of all, don't let someone else tell you what to think.
Figure the world out for yourself and share your findings.
>>57249032
Leviticus was the law of ancient Israel. Jesus said what matters is only whether or not you're a good person (see his comments on food laws).
>le two fabrics out of context meme
Stop your false flagging family it ain't working
>>57249156
>Jesus said what matters is only whether or not you're a good person (see his comments on food laws).
Ok. Where does the bible firmly state that life begins at conception, such that abortion can be called murder? Further, doesn't Jesus' healing of the centurion's lover at least partially subvert the verdict on gay marriage? Third, isn't a central tenant of catholicism that the vicar of christ is the final word on moral problems? even such that a pope can change how heaven operates? "for what I loose on earth, the Father looses in heaven, and what I stop up on earth, the Father stops up in heaven"
Out of all the things we as humans ever created; Religion is the most powerful tool we ever came up with. The power to subjugate others to a single cause. So to answer, yes all religion is dangerous even if they are benign. All religions are radical and non freethinking; it is conformed to specific and fairly outdated information as its basis causing common retardation and toxic thinking of the modern man. It has no place in the current year. If you want to continue to practicing faith, do it in private and keep it the fuck out of the commonwealth as it has no place there.
>>57249483
>Religion is the most powerful tool we ever came up with.
Religion is the most powerful tool we let become widespread. Memes are the most powerful tool we ever came up with, unless we only discovered them... In which case, your point stands. But memes are literal reality warping magic fueled by human thought.
True Religions are not dangerous, cults are.
Anything so-called religion that dominates and controls people is simply a cult, just like islam is.
>>57247452
if atheism was no religion we would not have to talk about it. . like we would not have to talk to no stamp guy because he does not believe in stamps . atheism is faith
>>57241614
Not the Norse religion. VALHALLA AWAITS.
>>57241614
kek nice picture to choose. that religion is certainly dangerous.
>>57244588
i remember bullying him and then instantly feeling extreme regret and loading a save 1 hour previous just to be nice instead. that game was crazy
>>57249559
In the purest sense of the word, isn't religion a meme? "An idea, behavior, or style that spreads from person to person within a culture." Sounds like both religion and Internet memes to me.
>>57247408
the devil divided everything fake bibles fake churches . real christianity is dead
>>57244601
your morals are 10000000% molded from christianity.
>>57241614
Yes.
>>57249343
>Where does the bible firmly state that life begins at conception
I think Jesaja or one of the other prophets.
>the centurion's lover
Literally what?
>even such that a pope can change how heaven operates
No.
>>57249839
Religion was created, though yes it shares some archetypal features. Though religion in itself will never posses meme magic, though religious people may (willingly or not) take part. The closest the two may ever get might happen in january 2017. If Trump actually gets elected, then the burgeoning field of applied memetics will experience an explosion of research, determining what metaphysical effects surround the event, and result from his every action as president. If he takes any actions towards making anime real, then we will have definitive answers, and Trump will forever be known as the first Meme-Catalyst.
>>57249961
>centurion's lover
The word that was translated to "slave" from greek was "pais", meaning lover, similar to male concubine. A centurion, whose boy toy was sick and near to death, asked jesus for healing. It was granted.
Atheism is the most dangerous "religion"
by spreading nonsense about the so-called "meaninglessness" of life, they're converting the world into a distorted view of human life as discarded waste
thankfully, atheism still hasn't overcome its doublethink in supporting anti-suicidal measures, so there's still hope to turn things around before true anarchy reigns in the minds of our youth
>>57249343
>bible talks about a boy servant
>hurr it mudda been his fuckbuddy
Kill yourself.
>>57249961
As I came to understand it, debating catholicism as an episcopalian with two catholics, peter, given authority to build christ's church, was granted authority as roughly quoted above, and that that authority extended to the first pope, and every one thereafter.
>>57250163
The high school age sunday school class at my church is taught by a phd theologian, and she agreed that the "slave" was more than likely the centurion's lover.
>>57250010
Pais can also mean child and son, you faggot.
>>57250261
why, in context, would no translator put "son" instead of "slave"?
>>57250183
then what was the hole point of jesus . jesus showed the way how you should live . the pope is fake as fuck
>>57247133
look like a fucking alien
Fuck yeah religion is a fucking disease
>>57241614
Religion is defence against subversion.
Nothing more, nothing less.
why do Catholics literally pray to dead sinners?
how are they going to help you more than Jesus?
>>57250310
As I came to understand it (in the same way, mind you), you must accept papal supremacy to call yourself catholic
>>57250301
Biblehub.com/greek/3816.htm
Everything you're talking about is speculatory conjecture. All dictionaries agree on the meaning of boy or slave.
>>57246187
>friendly christian forums
reminds me of one time I found a christian forum when I googled how to pronounce 'filioque'
I'll just let this speak for itself
>>57250489
Everything I'm currently talking about is agreed upon by a phd theologian, having undergone more than a decade of study
>>57241614
>Is religion dangerous
Yes, but it's also the only reason that western society worked as long as it did. Many people cannot conduct themselves without fear attached to their morality. Nearly no one believes in god now and the world has become completely fucked within a decade.
>tfw all those ghouls will inevitably die from loss of oxygen or dehydration (you know they need water to live cuz of the guy stuck in the basement saying so)
>>57249343
>where in the Bible does it state life begins at conception
David tells us, "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me" (Ps. 51:5, NIV). Since sinfulness is a spiritual rather than a physical condition, David must have had a spiritual nature from the time of conception.
The same is shown in James 2:26, which tells us that "the body without the spirit is dead": The soul is the life-principle of the human body. Since from the time of conception the child’s body is alive (as shown by the fact it is growing), the child’s body must already have its spirit.
>Gaytheists in charge of understanding basic morality
No wonder you're advocating baby killing. Kek.
>>57250561
Friendly reminder that being a studied theologian does not make you unable to hold stupid opinions. In fact I have reason to believe that she sprung on that idea because it coincides with her liberal worldview as a mainline protestant.
Read this clever rebuttal:
http://thebiblicalworld.[insert blogspot here].fr/2012/08/did-jesus-heal-centurions-same-sex.html?m=1
>>57241614
Religion is co-evolved with humans and necessary to maintain beneficial practices.
So no, if a society ever rejects religion entirely it will barely exist long enough to be replaced by a religious one.
>>57250777
>David tells us, "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me" (Ps. 51:5, NIV). Since sinfulness is a spiritual rather than a physical condition, David must have had a spiritual nature from the time of conception.
>The same is shown in James 2:26, which tells us that "the body without the spirit is dead": The soul is the life-principle of the human body. Since from the time of conception the child’s body is alive (as shown by the fact it is growing), the child’s body must already have its spirit.
Literally the first time I've seen those verses brought up. I ought to read James again. I could try to argue that Psalms is a poetic rather than historical book, and that the logic on James is a push, but you're going to stand firm anyways.
>advocating baby killing so must be gaytheist lmao
Fuck off I've made it clear multiple times already that I'm episcopalian, and I've also made clear that one can personally believe something is within the range of actions one ought not do, but not believe that every point of morality should be made into firm law.
>>57250831
I would try to laud the fact that the article relies on the ambiguity of terms is a weak argument if it didn't equally apply to the interpretation I'm pushing. Consider my point redacted
>>57250377
i believe in god and the bible i dont know what kind of christian i am .but i dont believe in some pope or stuff where you have to drink the blood of christ. its pagan
>>57251132
>one can be firm on sacrificing children to the alter of modern convenience that is Abortion
Moloch would be proud
>>57241614
Yes brainwashing is dangerous.
>>57241614
Yes it's dangerous, however I think religion is a necessary phase on the overall timeline of a species which evolves intelligence.
I'm an atheist and used to believe that it was just the idiotic ramblings of people who are too stupid or lack rationality and how could this possibly be.
But those of us intelligent enough to understand that religion is obviously false and man made, we're just at the forefront of a long line of evolution and knowledge where things couldn't be understood or explained by the rational brain we placed god.
It's dangerous in the sense that it's a crutch and we need to do away with that crutch and replace it with something better in the long run and some people strong oppose that and ultimately that leads to conflict.
>>57241614
Only when they come into conflict with other beliefs be they of religious orign or otherwise, in and of itself religion is no more harmful than any other firmly held belief because even without religion simimilar ideological conflicts would still inevitably occur.
That said some religions are dangerous because they teach that their truth is divine and immutable which prevents the possibility of using rational discourse to reach an amiable solution when aforementioned conflicts do occurr leaving violence as the only recourse to settle the dispute.
This is where we are now. DEUS VULT!
>>57241941
Good name for a band: Fundamental As Anything.
>>57251152
>its pagan
I agree, but the point of contention when you came in was concerning catholicism in particular
>>57251198
>But when yhwh demands the life of abraham's son and the foreskin of every philistine it's alright, goyim
On a serious note, foreskin removal is a more credible sacrifice to evil than abortion, given the abortion happens well before the brain begins functioning (according to the law as it stands)
>>57242017
Surely no one would take what they read here on /pol/ as anything like 'truth'?
Of course most Muslims are peaceful; most people of all faiths are. Want to live quiet lives, raise their families, same as the rest of us.
But you can always find those who do evil things and CLAIM to be 'true believers'.
>>57250183
Pope and church may only interpret the bible. If something the pope says goes against bible it is uncatholic
>>57251336
>cutting off the foreskin to show deference to God and to build a cultural identity, a practice which God himself reversed when he came to earth and it was no longer neccessary, is worse than murdering a child for the convenience of another
And atheists claim they can be moral. Top kek.
>>57241614
It is. Basically religion is creating a meme, acting as if it existed irl as a mind capable of superior thinking. It may be used to defy moral and common sense, it may be used as a tool to control the masses by the one who is believed to be closest to the gods.
Religions also have good parts - advanced social cohesion, psychological confort, etc.
Religion is a double edged sword, the only thing that matters is who stays behind God pic related
>>57251519
4th time at least: episcopalian. A greater betrayal of morality is not automatically a greater sacrifice to a more evil being. That was not the point I was making. The point I was making was that the claiming of foreskins as conquest sounds more like a sacrifice to an evil being than the murder of a person. Stay mad, nigel.
>>57251677
4th time at least: nobody believes you. You spout the same bullsht that has been debunked gazillion times with a 2 minute youtube search.
>>57250377
>you must accept papal
I read this as paypal
thanks internet consumerism
>>57251758
I spoke firsthand with a theologian and thought that one who had studdied the bible for over a decade, having been criticized on her interpretations all the while, would be valid. That the strongest debunk is the double edged "ambiguity" rebuttal suggests that an autist on youtube wouldn't be convincing in a full refutation.
>>57251904
>having been criticized on her interpretations all the while
Maybe because her interpretations are stupid? From Paul on no christian ever returned to a fully literal interpretation of Levitikus. That's just atheists grasping at straws to "debunk" the bible by ignoring everything that proves them wrong.
And how again was cutting off your foreskin worse than killing a baby?
its dangerous for little Catholic boys
>>57252116
>Maybe because her interpretations are stupid?
You misunderstand me. "criticized on her interpretations" meaning, oh, i don't know, being fucking graded because she was in college? You show me a major I can take and never get graded all the way through doctorate work, bruv, and I'll declare it.
>>57252116
>And how again was cutting off your foreskin worse than killing a baby?
"A greater betrayal of morality is not automatically a greater sacrifice to a more evil being. That was not the point I was making."
But go ahead and keep putting words in my mouth
>>57241934
For the most part, but i don't think there is any religion that hasn't had terrible things done in their name.
>>57252175
>>57251904
And plenty of other theologians would disagree. That's the point, the Bible is exactly how the literal word of God should be, requiring a lifetime of study to understand and comprehend. It's not something that one person can have a definitive opinion on.
You are sounding like an atheist who has put no higher thought into it and is just taking it at face value
>God didn't cause the universe to form, nothing exploded and caused everything to form magically
>can you prove it
>no, and none of my colleagues can really agree on the exact mechanism. But I think Scalar Fields are involved so invented a new form of Jew maths which only twenty people in the world can really agree on. But even then not 100% because they are also pushing their theories.
>ok I will completely accept you have proven God doesn't exist. Thanks.
This is all atheists. They take things at face value all the time just because while they claim to be free thinkers they just want to be trendy. You people are jokes. The point is the only people who should really be allowed to believe in the Big Bang are people with faith in God. It's not about HOW God caused the universe to form, the much more important question is WHY.
Enjoy blinding yourself until it's too late, buddy.
>>57246653
Yeah. And they will have access to nuclear weapons.
Say bye bye shitstrailia
>>57242250
hes wrong on Buddhism but Taoism is not fundamentalist
>>57252611
What makes you think so?
>>57252431
I came to her that day with the issue of hell as infinite suffering as the just punishment for some sums of finite deeds, but not others. We talked for an hour or two before getting to current events and what god would say, which is when she offered the gay lover interpretation to the centurion story. Having discussed at length several issues beforehand, and having no strong basis of my own on the subject, I just accepted the view presented to me from a place of extensive research.
>requiring a lifetime of study to understand
the thing about humans is we can build upon each other's research. I made the rooky mistake of not ignoring research already done because some autist on youtube disagreed with the researcher. That it was actually an ambiguous subject was not made known to me until this thread, so no, I won't enjoy blinding myself until it's too late, and this thread isn't about the how, and I'm not pursuing the subject as you described an atheist does.
>>57245042
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>>57245042
Religion = "I believe in God" that's it. That's all it is.
Atheism = "I have to do serious mental gymnastics and suspend the laws of thermodynamics and believe in multiverse crap to believe half the shit they are selling"
Atheism is shit. If you're atheist in the age of the internet, you fell for jewish brainwashing.
You're just shit.
>>57252431
>That's the point, the Bible is exactly how the literal word of God should be, requiring a lifetime of study to understand and comprehend. It's not something that one person can have a definitive opinion on.
So can someone understand the bible or not? If so, which version of the bible?
>This is all atheists.
No, most atheists will assert that there's no evidence supporting any truth claims made by religion.
>The point is the only people who should really be allowed to believe in the Big Bang are people with faith in God. It's not about HOW God caused the universe to form, the much more important question is WHY.
Why should we not be allowed to believe (or not believe) in something, and on whose authority?
>the much more important question is WHY.
Why is the least important question in my opinion and it implies that it had to have a reason, which it didn't.
>Enjoy blinding yourself until it's too late, buddy.
That projection though.
>>57252814
>suspend the laws of thermodynamics
What laws of thermodynamics prove the existence of a god?
>>57252938
Conservation of energy
>>57252845
>comes to a Christian board
>claims there is no purpose to the universe
Wow, you must have loads going on in your life huh?
Kek
>>57252938
Remember that time the atheism fairy caused nothing to explode into everything for no reason? That was cool huh fellow free thinker.
HAIL DAWKINS
>he comes on a Chrisitan board to post this
My sides
>>57253047
This is not a Christian board
This entire website funds pornography. Therefore it cannot be Christian
>>57241614
Yes it leads to a frightening version of elitism. Look at Judaism and Islam
>>57253047
>>57253100
Man. Muslims really need to kill you.
>>57253047
>there's purpose to the universe
>muh life is so fulfilled
Faggot.
>>57253014
Conservation of energy is pretty well understood.
https://www.grc.nasa.gov/www/k-12/airplane/thermo1f.html
>>57253047
I didn't claim anything, I said there was no evidence to make me believe otherwise.
>>57253100
So you're saying there was a reason everything came into existence? Can you provide any evidence for that claim?
>>57253110
I love the mental gymnastics you people play. /pol/ is overwhelmingly Christian.
Or did you confuse this board for /lgbt/
>>57253181
>the universe is purposeless
Everyone believes this until they grow out of Atheism. It's what's so funny.
How's middle school working out for you?
>>57244303
>>57253227
You can't be Christian if you contribute to the porn industry
>>57253192
>Conservation of energy is pretty well understood.
Literally what is your point? Of course it's well understood
>>57253047
>>57253100
>>57253227
>>57253289
Are you having a conniption?
>>57253344
I'm asking you what it is about thermal dynamics that proves god, obviously.
>>57253192
>Now the Gaytheists claim that there's literally no reason for everything to have started and that we should accept that, except that we can't think that a God was involved in it because of reason.
Wow. How deep does that rabbit hole go? Do you think you can bring your Richard Dawkins body-pillow with you?
>>57253289
Hey pussy. You brave enough to fight some Muslims in real life?
Come down to my neighbourhood.
You will get fucking rekt
>>57253433
>>57253433
sorry dont have the plane ticket to pakistan yet
another time maybe
>>57253465
I'm white but in friends with Muslims. They are based.
I remember in school we stole this nerds bible and beat the shit out of him.
They are pretty nice. His mum makes nice curry for me.
>>57253388
Energy and matter can't just randomly appear. I'm not saying it PROVES God. I'm saying atheshits lose all sense trying to explain this
>>57246390
What Muslims will do to the atheist, you are aware that Christians are as we speak living safely in Isis territory.
>>57241614
>Is religion dangerous?
Chris Haversam will have his revenge.
>>57253336
>posting on /pol/ directly contributes to the porn industry
>atheist telling someone who can and can't be religious
Please, stop. My sides can't take anymore.
>>57241614
Is being a retard dangerous?
Gee, I wonder, anon.
>>57253344
The germanfag has a point here. I'm atheist myself. May i ask if in your model of the universe God is beyond the law of nature?
>>57253608
Come down to my neighbourhood
We will beat the shot out of you christian scum
>>57253433
>Come say that to my face fucker not online and see what happens
Proof that all the atheists on here are just 14 year olds.
Reddit is calling you back, kiddo. Fly to them.
>>57253408
>claim that there's literally no reason for everything to have started and that we should accept that
I never claimed that and I never said you should accept anything. I just asked for some evidence to the contrary.
>>57253531
Maybe you should try asking a scientist with a degree in thermodynamics rather than some random atheist. As far as I understand it energy and matter can just randomly appear. The photon emitted by your computer monitor wasn't there a moment ago, for example.
>yfw Christianity will have died out in Europe just before the shitskin apocalypse comes
>tfw only the fedoras will reap the horrible bloody reward for their rejection of God when the Muslims rise
The irony is actually stunning.
>>57253529
>atheist on a Christian board
>white on a Christian board siding with Muslims
>Muslim apologist on /pol/
Keep going, this is gold.
>in school
So yesterday?
>>57253719
>Muslims defeating murrika
top kek
>>57253710
Atheist here... Energy is used to generate a photon, when the eletron "goes down" to an inferior energy level it create a photon with that level of energy... So it is not a ramdon generation and do not break TD
>>57253663
Look Achmed, I don't want any trouble, I promise I wasn't looking at your goat.
It's just it's important that you understand that Mohammed is a pedophile and he's currently burning in hell.
>>57241614
to follow the wrong religion, or to have no religion is what is most dangerous
>>57253694
Coward :)
Feels good knowing you pussies are going to be bred out
Hehe
>>57253639
>May i ask if in your model of the universe God is beyond the law of nature?
Yes but put your questions more precisely please
>>57253856
Well like I said I'm not a scientist with a thermodynamics degree. However it seems to me like he's trying to say that "we don't know how that happens and therefor god."
>>57253775
Oh I apologise for nothing.
Stuff like sharia zones and the islamisation of Europe make me happy.
Fuck chrishitians
>>57253856
...and who created the electron. Or the photon. Or the universe. Or energy?
Oh they just popped into existence for no reason? That's cool.
The fun thing about science is it shows us HOW God caused things to happen, not WHY.
>>57253860
Too much of a coward to say that in real though aren't you :)
>>57253970
>Oh they just popped into existence for no reason? That's cool.
Can you provide evidence to the contrary?
>>57253710
>The photon emitted by your computer monitor wasn't there a moment ago, for example.
Actually it was. That's why my computer has to be linked to a power outlet
>>57253959
But we know how that happens
