How do we encourage the 2.5 children and housewife family again?
I believe one of the major issues is that men are too afraid to marry given the possibility of ending up broke after a divorce.
You know who doesn't allow abortion, divorce or homosexuality?
The Roman Catholic Church doesn't.
>>57235349
How about not marrying vain, immature, shallow bitches?
>>57235933
who are we supposed to marry then?
there is no one else.
thanks obama.
>>57235349
Resources are a thing, you know.
>>57235349
Back when a man could affort to raise a family by himself. Now we have to "share" the burden with women.
>>57235640
The Catholic Church doesn't run the government so it's pointless. Plus the church is very political. My parents were married in the Catholic Church. After twelve years of marriage, mom divorced dad to be a strong independent woman who received child support. She was friends with the archbishop so she was able to get the marriage annulled. Twelve years of marriage and they annulled it with minimal effort even though my dad protested against it. That was when my dad said fuck the church and became an evangelical.
>>57235640
bullshit
>>57235349
>I believe one of the major issues is that men are too afraid to marry given the possibility of ending up broke after a divorce.
Abolish alimony and no-fault divorce then, problem solved
>>57235349
divorce was a good move, making mens afraid of marriage
and now with the feminism, is hard to trust in a woman
>>57235349
Convert to Islam.
You wish I were joking, don't you?
We should encourage the 8+ children and extended family again, to secure the existence of our race, and a future for white children.
>>57236149
It's still 100% possible to comfortably support a wife and children on a single salary, assuming aforementioned wife didn't take out $100 000+ student loans and hasn't run up $50 000 of credit card debt buying useless shit like iphones for herself and your children
>>57235349
We don't. We die childless and as powerful mememancers who regroup on Neptune to conspire against the demiurge and normies in all their forms.
>>57235349
End the welfare system. Do that, and then families will start forming again.
The main problem is feminism. Women don't respect men. They don't feel any need to be protected and provided by them. They don't say yes to dates. They don't want relationships.
A secondary problem is white male kekoldry. Men are emotionally masochistic and don't feel the need to dominate women. Many white men are even liberal.
It has nothing to do with divorce hysteria and anyone who says this is a moron. Women aren't even saying yes to dates to begin with.
>>57235349
>I believe one of the major issues is that men are too afraid to marry given the possibility of ending up broke after a divorce.
You'd be right.
>>57235349
how do you have 2.5 children? is one a midget?
>>57236708
One is jamals bastard child
>>57236492
Sweden, it's to late for you. It's far to late for you.
>>57236708
Maybe, like, you have 2 kids but your neighbor has 3. Maybe these things are explainable like that. Like with statistic, you know.
>>57236521
Forgot to mention as a case study one of my teachers in high school managed to support his wife and six children on the minuscule wages a teacher gets just by being intelligent and frugal
>>57235349
You don't.
Once society has progressed to a certain point people become disinterested in having children.
The only way to change it back is for society to collapse and rebuild itself, but why would you want to? The entire purpose of an advanced society is so we don't have to burden ourselves with things like hunting, farming and raising children.
>>57235349
What's 0.5 of a kid? A downie? Each American family already consists of at least 1 retard.
>>57235933
>How about not marrying a woman
>>57235349
deport the mud people (illegals + visa overstays)
place a tariff on imported goods
the wage level will rise across the board
and the average single income will once again be sufficient to support a family
so women will quit their jobs and have families, b/c that's what they really want to do anyway; it's their biological drive
they just don't feel comfortable doing so now because the wage level has been stagnant for a generation
problem solved
>>57236697
They'll start respecting men a hell of a lot more when America runs out of money and the government can no longer afford to give them welfare cheques and businesses can only afford to employ the absolute minimum number of people, it's no coincidence that marriage rates skyrocket whenever there's a recession like the great depression or 2007
>>57236616
Kek
>>57237124
why, you fixed all the problems, why dont they ask you at the white house to share your wisdom you fuckin idiot
>>57235349
Money.
- Average house circa ~1960 $25,0000 to $35,000
- cost to send children to school, ~$5000 for a 4-year STEM degree
- health insurance: usually covered by employer; even when not ~$1000/year for family of 2.5 white children and their parents
- employer pension fund with retirement between 55 and 60
- 2 cars required (due to lack of public transportation) under $10,000 for both of them new, and auto insurance close to non-existant ($10-%50/month for both drivers)
2015: House: $500,000 to $1.2 million
- $300,000 per child for education through 4-year degree
- health insurance $500-$2000 per person, employer rarely covers it even partially
- pensions don't exist, you need to put away money from your paycheck on your own, using your own time to figure out to manage it
- single car today starts at ~$35,000 new and goes to ~$80,000 fast
- dat $3000/month auto insurance premium per driver
There are many other examples, but those are a few of the major ones. If you don't graduate college with a 6-figure salary, you simply cannot afford to think about a family. And, you certainly won't see your own house during daylight hours to fire up a grill. You'll be dragging your ass home at 9:00 or 10:00 at night just in time to miss Jamal as he walks out the back door after servicing the parasite you were stupid enough to marry.
>>57237388
I don't know, Achmed - b/c President Nigger is a muslim like you?
>>57235349
The Amish, Mennonites, and Mormons will fix this in the future.
>>57236426
Convert to mormonism.
fixed that for you
>>57236697
Lol they say yes to people who don't hold your beliefs...or look like you. The whole men/domination thing is horseshit and it's why marriages fail. If there's no shared power and respect you're doomed for divorce because only mindless females fall for that shit. And even then they act out and rebel. Even if you feel that your superior or even if you are you can't come off like that. Who the fuck wants to live with the equivelant of a management figure? Dumb broads. They'll poop out your kids but ultimately no one wants to deal with your Shit. Unless you're rolling in trump doe
>>57237548
>Moonman will never be the President of the USA
>>57237124
>>57236925
That varies from daughter to daughter though
>>57237547
This, the middle class has been gutted by stagnant wages and increased costs for housing, insurance, transportation, education, etc.
>>57237694
The "Nuclear family" is good goy crap that props up the housing market and causes isolation from other family members.
Family manors and homesteads with multiple generations living on them leads to prosperous societies.
>>57235349
>I believe one of the major issues is that men are too afraid to marry given the possibility of ending up broke after a divorce.
That is a real possibility, but it only really happens when you marry a woman just because she's hot. Which is what many, many men do.
>>57235349
Remove women's rights and remove all jews.
No more divorce lawyers, no more divorce.
>>57237775
>>57237601
Anon is right. My wife and I converted. Best people to know and interact with. Hoping for a third child after 5 years of marriage. You can do it pham.
>>57237893
>>57236697
>They don't say yes to dates
You sound pathetic.
>>57237124
>quit their jobs and have families, b/c that's what they really want to do anyway; it's their biological drive
Clearly not, as there are working females in families that have the male making more than enough to support everyone.
>>57235349
You're better off playing Russian roulette than getting married. At least you might get a quick death.
>>57235349
Women dont know how tp be housewives. I bust my ass 60hrs a week so my gf can sit on her tablet all day. She only cleans once every few week and I have to start a fight with her to get her to do it. She also makes me get fast food for her nearly everyday and cant cook worth a shit. Havent had sex in weeks but she gets mad at me if I view porn.
If she wasnt the mother of my kid I would have left her by now.
>>57238217
kek
>>57235349
Get the government out of people's lives. I think we'd see a very quick return of the nuclear family.
Those prices are not accurate, at least in the south. A man making 50k a year can support a family. He can have 2 kids, live in a 3 bedroom home, have two used cars, work only 40 hours a week, have pets, have health insurance, ect.
You may not live in a mansion, or drive a bmw, but it is doable.
>>57238293
Holy shit, you're the epitome of kekoldry.
>>57235349
>too afraid
There's a difference between fear and making rational decisions.
Any man who gets married with the current draconian divorce laws and grim state of western women is asking for the worst to happen to him.
>>57235349
You don't realize it, but we're already a dead nation. You can't reverse this cancer.
We're nothing but a rotting corpse of a once great civilization. The collapse will happen, there's no point in fighting the inevitable.
>>57237775
I'm triggered. Could you use "feminist jazz hands" instead?
>>57235349
James Dean got Cosby'd cuz Stoya was feeling sassy after a breakup. Women don't even bother using the biased court system anymore. Court of public opinion can ruin ANY bro life instantly. Until feminism is dismantled, I am upgrading from bicurious trap fapper to FULL HOMO.
>>57239077
Not a virgin or a deadbeat tho.
>>57239870
james deen probably raped her because she didn't wanna fuck niggers.
>>57235349
We can't
Women have abandoned their gender roles, and without that gender role there's no incentive to marry them.
Feminism literally destroyed western civilization, we're just watching the collapse now.
>>57235640
>Catholic Church doesn't allow divorce
I went to a catholic high school for 4 years and 2/3rds of the kids had divorced parents and were Catholics
You don't have to encourage it. People will continue to roll around in their filth and those who feel disgust will naturally distance themselves from degenerates. Finding a white traditional housewife is not impossible. It's hard, but even I managed to do it.
Don't give up guys. Just keep searching and don't settle for whores. You'll find the one some day.
>>57240058
Deen is schlomo, not jamal. Your joke is invalid.
I'm expected to get a degree and work full time. Somewhere I'm also supposed to birth children and raise them properly while maintaining a home.
I'm 26 and wasting my most fertile years stressed out and worried I'll never have a family because my husband expects me to do all this.
>>57240894
your husband expects to take care of you. If he wants kids he will make it work
the tradition still stands tho, 2 kids at home and the .5 half in the abortion clinic dumpster
>>57235349
Men need to be encouraged to grow up. Every white man is a manchild wizard now
>>57236014
To be fair the bible doesn't promote marriage, technically celibacy is best.
Assuming you dont masturbate until your dick is raw tho.
>>57235349
Economics
The husband/father has to be able to earn enough to raise that family on just his income. While also having enough time away from work to help in the parenting.
This just isn't happening. As for the past thirty years. Middle classes families have been two income houses, just to maintain their socio-economic station. Which has lead to smaller families. As children now cost more money to raise. Since neither parent is home during the day.
>>57235349
Feminism simply needs to be put back in the box.
And good luck with that.
Will require the collapse of society first. In that sense, this is a natural progression. We'll get there, but it will be a shit ride.
>>57240894
>I'm expected to get a degree and work full time.
Except you're not.
>>57240894
>I'm expected to get a degree and work full time.
By whom? Men dating you? No man gives a SHIT about your career unless you work at a football field made of beer. The most he would care about is that you're not retarded in conversation and you aren't a total leech. Lots of men are fine with paying. Especially if you do things for him and his household. The career pressure nonsense is one of the biggest harms of feminism. It really has hurt women and girls so much more than males.
>>57236754
Cuban here, stop making hispanics look bad mexico, that would be 2 & 3/5ths then; not 2.5
>>57241383
It's societal expectation promoted by feminism. We're supposed to be able to do it all, etc.
>>57235349
US women are ruined.
And it has alienated men into man children.
We cannot encourage a cultural landslide to go back up the hill. Just let it happen, and hope we rise from the ashes in the way we were meant to be.
Make it legal to not hire women for their gender
Ban alimony altogether so women have to stay with their husband to support themselves
Make it less easier to divorce someone, no more "I'm just not feeling a connection anymore" bullshit, marriage is supposed to last till death
End feminism
>>57241517
It was a rhetorical question. The person I quoted said a potential husband would expect it. Women can reject feminism if they can withstand the bullying from feminists.
>>57241546
>US women are ruined.
This. I wouldn't want to put my dick into whores like that either.
>>57239964
>I love being a slave to my gf!!!! : )
>y-y-you're just a jealous virgin! haha!
>>57241616
My aunt caught her ex husband in bed several times with multiple other men after they had their son. She stayed with him for ten years after to get a degree to support their son. It's not always the woman's fault and sometimes there are good reasons for divorce.
>>57241922
Multiple women *
kick all the jews out of the country and push hollywood into the ocean. it's literally the only way to fix the problem.
>>57241954
Maybe your aunt wasn't exactly fulfilling her marital duties?
Let me guess, she was at least slightly overweight and/or was someone who used sex as a weapon to get what she wanted.
Also, she was a very bad judge of character.
Not saying this is 100% true, but shit like this doesn't happen in a vacuum. Yea there are asshole men/women who cheat for basically no reason, just because they can, but you should be able to spot those waaay before you put a ring on them. People take their spouses for granted. That's when shit like this is prone to happen.
>>57241801
Not potential, already married. I feel like I'm looked down on if I don't have a career. Maybe has to do with the MIL being a single mom.
Not posting anymore, don't won't to turn it into a blog post. One word of advice though:
If you want a traditional dynamic, tell your wife/gf. Communicate that you don't base their worth on the money they bring into the partnership.
>>57235349
Prenup
>>57242310
They are essentially invalid if enough time passes... which is not much.
>>57242232
You're a piece of shit, or a troll. Hopefully the latter
>>57242310
What good is that when all it takes is to find the right judge to annul it?
Sydneyfag here. I'd happily raise three children if I could afford a house with a backyard.
Unfortunately, that costs $1 million.
>>57235349
>How do we encourage the 2.5 children and housewife family again?
We need a major world war with a draft to thin out and harden up the male population. Remember when Samwise was too much of a pussy to even flirt with Rosie? Remember when he got back from Morder, he downed a pint then straight for her with cast iron balls and unshakable confidence. He only became that way because he was hardened by war. Men these days are too soft and too abundant
>>57242601
Says the 13-year-old that's never had to go to war and uses an allegory from a fantasy novel.
>>57242740
I'm 26, m8. And you know I speak the truth becau.... oh wait, that flag.
>>57242830
You know he has a point honestly, using an allegory from LOTR is like Middle School shit. Most men come back from war traumatized not hardened.
>>57242258
>Communicate that you don't base their worth on the money they bring into the partnership.
OK, family. Be sure to tell your daughters as well.
>>57242995
Tolkien himself went to war and from the experience he wrote the most influential piece of fantasy literature. Just something to think about.
>>57243215
>let's throw men into a meat grinder for no reason just to harden them up!
What fucking nonsense. There have been much better options proposed in this thread rather than sending men to die needlessly. War isn't a game you fuck
What if every woman who got married and stayed at home instead of working was paid $115,000 per year?
Why Stay-At-Home Moms Should Earn A $115,000 Salary
> http://www.forbes.com/sites/jennagoudreau/2011/05/02/why-stay-at-home-moms-should-earn-a-115000-salary/
>>57243303
What I'm trying to convey is that real men are forged in a crucible. It's seems nice to want an easy life but maybe something you'd want is actually bad for you and something you'd hate is actually good. Read history and you'll find men have always warred but only in times of long-lasting peace do societies seem to fall apart at the seams.
IN THE NAME OF THE WHITE RACE SOMEONE MARRY ME PLS
>>57243473
Explain why the Roman Empire fell then.
>>57243303
I do not think war is needed.
However I do believe mandatory conscription for a period of [x] years might do a lot of boys a lot of good.
You'll learn some discipline, become trained, get some character and have potentially served your country.
The only voice against this is comes from all Mothers who rather see their sons not go to war, which may potentially never happen, but good luck convincing them.
>>57243576
Roman men became too weak to defend their homes from barbarians because they got so used to the security of the state protecting them.
>>57243576
Like every other society, it is led by men who have no connection to their lesser. A soldier might have been the epitome of a man but if he is sent needlessly somewhere else to fulfill his orders he is not to blame.
The empire fell due to dumb politics and internal strive. As most empires did.
The Roman Empire in fact was rather brilliant in its functioning.
>>57235349
>housewife
No. Fucking. Way.
Freaking -dogs- are better than housewives in every way other than no sex (don't even go there, sick fucks), and that's taken care of with a nice fleshlight and some good porn.
Women are not merely worthless to men at this point, they're a total liability and dangerous.
How about we put the truth out there that if you don't have children you will die cold and alone. Sure it may be fun saying you'll go your own way take care of your own life but at age 50 what have you really accomplished? People die, friends go separate ways, and nothing stays the same forever. family is important because they're the only ones in this world that will actually give a shit about you when you really need someone.
>>57243632
I have agree with this even as a non-military amerifat. We have no rituals to initiate boys into manhood. We have no default pathway for the poor ghetto kids to be anything other than poor ghetto adults. The nanny-state minded mothers have done so much harm. So much avoidable suffering.
>>57236228
>you cannot be catholic if you allow secular laws to pass that violate your religious code
>>57237893
fuck off randy bobandy
>>57238159
>no no goyim, women work! there are literally dozens of women in the workforce!
>>57244024
Children do not require any interaction with a depend-a-potamus beyond adoption papers, if one really wants to raise a kid that badly.
Pets are probably better than kids, too, come to think of it, unless you like arguing and having something to worry about all the goddamn time.
Otherwise, pets are cheaper, infinitely more obedient, more affectionate, and lower-maintenance.
>>57235349
Take women there rights. Make them property again.
That will fix it.
>>57239870
You reap what you sew, just like that whore who got #REKT by The War Machine, if you're stupid enough to stick your dick in crazy/take crazy dick inside of you then there's going to be consequences
>>57240058
Jim Deen recently said that white pornstars who refuse to fuck niggers are racist shitlords
>>57235349
Starting out broke doesn't help.
>>57241922
Who you decide to breed with is literally the most important decision you'll ever make and your aunt made the wrong one, being stupid enough to marry someone who keks you is not legitimate grounds for divorce
>>57244343
Kids turn into adults after a while so you can learn to raise them right. It's almost like you don't understand the responsibility of a father to raise their kid right. Good luck with all those animal friends of yours dying every 15 years. I'm sure they'll be great company when you can't even get up the stairs on your own.
>>57244463
Just listen to yourself. In medieval times anyone who would leave his.her wife/husbaned would be punished by their family. And nowdays people have to do everything by themselves, there's no law above them, np family or tribe to control them. It's too risky, nobody forces you to marry - so people mostly don't marry or divorce.
>>57244357
I'll give you credit on the nig joke then. But there's no buyer beware sticker big enough to justify life ruining betrayal. Especially without the super power of hindsight. Guys fall in love and think, oh she's different and not crazy at all. Maybe a week, maybe 20 years later she goes apeshit and he's rekt. There's a problem of society supporting the female crazy whenever it pops up.
>>57244767
Dat b true, long story short I think we need more victim blaming in society
>if you're stupid enough to fuck a pornstar famous for very violent sex scene then don't be surprised if he rapes you
>if you're stupid enough to break up with an extremely mentally unstable pornstar don't be surprised if she accuses you of rape
>>57241864
Not a slave to my gf.
Im a provider for my children. My GF is just a burden to bear with that.
You don't
The seeds of degeneracy have already been firmly planted into the minds of women by the jews
It will never be the same
>>57236855
dubs of truth.
You just weren't born in the right time, its better to avoid it unless you're chad and you're guaranteed you wont be fucked over.
Just watch civilisation collapse and enjoy the chaos and anarchy
>>57235349
Women have ruined marriage and made it an absolute insane death trap for any man that gets involved.
Never, ever get married.
>>57245898
And the outcome of divorce for a man.
NEVER
EVER
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/01/young-white-people-are-losing-their-faith-in-the-american-dream/?tid=pm_business_pop_b
>>57235349
>How do we encourage the 2.5 children and housewife family again?
You convince a woman that she should solely rely on a man for all the income in the 21st century.
>Not having 2.5 children with 2 working parents
>>57235349
Roll back no-fault divorce so that women are no longer rewarded for destroying a family for no good reason.
Women behave the best in a relationship they are afraid to lose. Today's no-fault divorce only encourages her to cash out and run, which removes all power the husband has to restrain her feral selfish desires (fuck Jamal in the club bathroom, etc).
>>57236826
That's 8k a person a year.....
>>57235349
By giving people jobs and decent wages.
That's how.
>>57235349
Of that's what you want you have to look at what destroyed the family and undo it. Keep in mind that if the family is destroyed, the resulting individuals become more dependant on the state. More dependence on the state = more taxes, more bureaucracy, etc.
Feminism and the tumescence of the welfare state is at the root of the destruction of the family. I don't say this as a mgtow or woman hater.. But if you think about it, women getting the ability to vote was one of the earlier steps to dividing the family. A family divided along political lines is less likely to stay together. People with differing ideologies will not last in an intimate relationship.
A possible solution would be to remove the vote of married women and men (both) and count a "family vote" as worth two or even three votes that requires the signature of both parties... Otherwise no vote.
Just an idea.
>>57235349
1) You are approached by a frenzied Vault scientist, who yells, "I'm going to put my quantum harmonizer in your photonic resonation chamber!" What's your response?
Stop the media first, and call out those behind it. For 1 person you manage to redpill and change his/her perspectives and views for the better, the media rots more than a thousand. That and people tend to follow the herd, so its a good idea to go for whatever that feeds their heads.
>BMWF in shows
>people clapping and moved to tears due to a "I'm a slut so what" poem
>degeneracy everywhere
>"if you're a disgrace, its okay. Lmao so funneh xDD welcum 2 d club!" attitude/belief
>etc.
PULL IT OUT BY ITS ROOTS. BURN IT DOWN. Set down standards that will make degenerates and life failures either get their shit together or suffer a horrible fate. The legislation also have the authority to destroy establishments, practices, etc. through taxing them insane amount like a 1000% increase in tax. Its legal for the government to do that though the power of taxation is not merely a power to destroy and the Supreme Court may nullify, but should the decision prove to be for the public's welfare, even something insane as that can be passed. Just look at Chayna. Its either they're taxing mudslime shops to death, or they're requiring them to sell pork and wine and should they refuse, their business is as good as dead.
>>57247242
Hey up yours, buddy!
>>57245936
Family law solicitor here. Can confirm this is what will happen when she divorces you.
