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Fuck anyone on this board who is a climate change denier and fuck anyone on the planet who is a climate change denier.
As a wildlife biologist, fuck all of you. I have to watch hundreds of species go extinct or become threatened or endangered because of poor stewardship to the Earth by all of you ignorant keks. Animals and plants that build ecosystems that humans rely on for survival are being fucking ruined because "b-but mah coal and oil"
I mean are you guys fucking kidding me? The climate summit in Paris right now has over 175 attending countries. That's over 97% of the Earth's nations. You've all of course heard the statistics on the VAST majority of scientists agreeing that human-caused global climate change exists. How the fuck can you all be so fucking ignorant? The entire world is against you and you stick your fingers in your ears and start screaming.
You're worried about the world economy? Are you fucking serious? Besides there being little to know impact on the economy, do you know what's going to happen 10, 20, 50, and 100 years down the line? We're going to get fucking raped in our gaping assholes. Who was concerned about the economy when Rachel Carson published Silent Spring and there was a push to ban DDT? The corporations and politicians reliant on that industry. Who was concerned about the economy when the attorney general warned the American public about the negative effects of smoking cigarettes? The corporations and politicians reliant on that industry. Just because we can't dig up and burn as much coal and gas as we used to doesn't mean our fucking economy is going to collapse. New jobs will be created in more sustainable fields of energy.
Fuck you for wanting to ruin my future enjoyment of the planet and all that it provides. Fuck you for wanting to ruin my children's future enjoyment of the planet and all that it provides. Fuck you for wanting to ruin ANYONE'S future enjoyment of the planet and all that it provides. Seriously, fuck you.
God said we could use it up.
>>57230885
>Get rid of all coal and oil
>Sun continues its cycle
>Climate does what it was doing
>Everything plays out the same as it would have except now every single country is impoverished with insufficient electricity and logistical infrastructure
Good job, liberals.
You have issues with climate change or renewable energy sources? Ask questions about them.
Ex. Regular fucking dems will tout solar and hydro and wind as being perfect. They aren't. They aren't economical yet and they aren't efficient enough yet. But does anyone here actually doubt that the technology will improve? Think about the first guy to invent a gun. What if he got shot down because his invention wasn't as accurate or deadly as a bow and arrow or spear at the time?
>>57230885
>I have to watch hundreds of species go extinct or become threatened or endangered
Circle of life broseph.
>Animals can't handle the heat
>Mad when they leave the kitchen
>>57231061
/thread
>>57230885
Denying global warming doesn't mean denying contamination
just made a "/thread" shitpost but in all seriousness..is global warming fucking real? I as a young liberal in college was sure of it..but the anti-climate change group has been extremly vocal and have pretty much convinced me its fake and bull shit...i mean..like trump said..the fucking ice age happened...did humans cause that shit too? ..
shit happens senpai
I'm not having children. I will burn as much fuel as I want to. Good luck.
>>57231061
where is my slow clap reaction image.
Like old man has said. We are fucked the planet is fine
>There would be literally no extinct species if it wasn't for those DARN DIRTY HUMANS
Nice to see liberal logic in action.
>20 years ago scientists said that the ice caps would melt in 20 years
>today scientists say the ice caps will melt in 20 years (despite them actually growing)
>20 years from now they will say the ice caps will melt in 20 years
Climate change is a fucking joke. Yeah, it's real. It's part of the natural cycle of the Earth. Do humans have that big of an influence on it? Certainly not. We do to an extent but not enough to melt the fucking ice caps or something, not unless we were deliberately trying.
It is a fact that none of the global warming, oh wait what are we calling it now, climate change? Yes my bad. It is a fact that none of the climate change models have come true. Scientists cannot predict next week's weather, do not try to tell me they can predict weather 300 years from now.
And speaking as a scientist (physicist), I can say that a scientist will say whatever the fuck you want him to say if you are the one giving him grant money.
Also, let's imagine for a moment that human induced climate change is a real and serious threat. What difference does it make? Even if all of Europe and the US switched to 100% green energy, what fucking difference will that make? All of South America, Africa, and Asia would still be pouring out 99% of the toxic byproducts because it is not economical for them to switch to green energy.
Climate change advocates need to untwist their fucking panties and calm down because the world will not end in 40 years or whatever. And major breakthroughs in green energy are coming. The fact is that we do not have efficient enough green energy sources to supply our demands. Trust me, if solar panels were as efficient as coal or oil, all of the oil conglomerates would sell off their stock and switch to making solar panels instead. They're fragile as fuck and they know people will need to replace them, they will make money. desu if you think CEOs are James Bond villains plotting the destruction of the Earth you're an idiot senpai
Fuck you hippie.
>>57230885
No, FUCK YOU
socialist scum.
>>57231529
>contamination
who the fuck says that?
>>57231761
>>today scientists say the ice caps will melt in 20 years (despite them actually growing)
Weren't many recent things pointing to the Arctic shrinking and Antarctic growing? Not sure if that'd count as a general growth for the caps.
>>57230885
>Rachel Carson published Silent Spring and there was a push to ban DDT
You sort of undercut your argument when one of your examples can directly be attributed to the death of millions of people on extremely faulty experimental practices, bud.
>>57231761
>physicist
How's earning a degree only used for teaching working out for ya?
>>57231561
The problem with liberals and conservatives on all sides is that not many people are educated on all the nuances of climate change, both man-made and in general.
Shit happens. A volcano might erupt and spill a bunch of aerosols into the atmosphere and cool the earth for a few years. Another volcano might erupt and pump a bunch of CO2 into the atmosphere and heat things up a little, but those time periods are measured in months or single digit years. Since industrialization, global temperatures have been steadily rising. That's the main problem.
Bro is right, but he misses the point somewhat.
Soil scientist here.
Okay, here's the bad news. We are fucked. Irretrievably fucked. And its got nothing to do with climate change or whatever.Although that will make it slightly worse.
Our soils are exhausted. Apart from a few small places in the world where Humanity's foot print has been too small, or too recent, our soils have been depleted. They are like sponges now. We put on fertilizers, that's the only reason we can still grow things.
The general public has no idea what a fine line it is between petroleum prices and systemic agricultural collapse.
We are slowly approaching that line now. Okay, maybe not in ten years, or twenty even, but with about 95% certainty, within 100 years.
Okay, so you guys probably wont see it during your life times, although perhaps you will likely see it start to hit towards your old age.
The rural folk will still survive, but the city and town dwellers, they are going to die like rats.
you are a complete wimp. sounds like your practically a climate change denier-lover. how about this: we kill all the climate change deniers, and all their direct family members, bury their bodies in unmarked graves, and erase their names from the history books. immediate death sentence for anyone questioning it. any company that can be shown to increase its carbon footprint, the entire management must be executed immediately. actually, that still sound generous. cant seem to find a way to express my hatred. no, im not being sarcastic.
>>57230885
>Fuck you for wanting to ruin my future enjoyment of the planet
You haven't enjoyed it this far. Why do you care?
It's really a shame we can't have abundant nuclear energy output/research because of Christians. Hydro and solar aren't worth shit when you consider what atomic fission can produce.
>Fuck you for wanting to ruin ANYONE'S future enjoyment of the planet
Fuck you for making sure not to stir the pot with this post and imply that industrialization is the main issue. For implying the people who buy veal and steak aren't simple beasts themselves. Ascend or stfu.
>>57230885
Fuck you faggot. My commute is less then 20 minutes away, which I jog everyday, and the only tech I own, is this iPhone.
YOUR THE DISEASE! You and your constant pursuit of material goods and wealth to fill the hole where your soul would have been, if you still had one.
>>57230885
Fuck you too.
>>57231727
nice to see you putting words in my mouth
Humans have upset the balance. Animals went extinct and new ones evolved continuously before humans became efficient killing machines, but now we're currently in the Earth's 6th mass extinction. Look that shit up. We're fucking ruining the planet and ruining ourselves.
>>57232014
You're a certified retard. Yeah, a lot of physicists become teachers (although being a professor is a pretty comfy job, once you get tenure you can brainwash your students with whatever you want with no backlash)
I however am in graduate school working on nuclear fusion research.
>>57230885
Bump
>>57231561
What people don't understand is that we have one planet like Earth to study and it's just this one. So yes, while in the past we believed and were informed that it's global warming that was dangerous to our Earth, we have to realise that predicting future climate conditions are EXTREMELY DIFFICULT.
We can't even predict weather with 100% certainty for a month in advance.
What we CAN and DO however is to study PREVIOUS climate changes (ice in Antarctica, isotopes are a wonderful thing). And our technology has improved immensely since the 1960's. Leaps and bounds ahead.
And even though our planet's workings are insanely complex and it might be possible to predict micro and macro changes in the planet's atmosphere and ecosystems, we CAN study predict, based on continuously revised models set upon previous climate changes, the future trends.
Moreover, it has always been climate change. Warming is just one effect. Global warming actually leads to increase in water vapour in the Earth's atmosphere and that causes extremes in weather. Carbon dioxide comes later although it also has its own effects.
Even though the Earth has had ice ages in the past and was due for another mini ice age, it was set back by our activities causing noxious gases and increased amounts of water vapour in the atmosphere. That cycle was ruined by our activities. Forests and oceans act as natural carbon sinks. But with massive deforestation and oceanic pollution they don't operate as well as before.
The problem remains with the general public. We look at one thing and think "that's the final thing alright" and when some new study comes along, or some flaw in the previous study is highlighted, we think "alright, they're just making it up, there's a conspiracy".
We're dumb.
No, no TL;DR.
>>57230885
You're a short sighted faggot if you think species death is a problem.
We are on the edge of creating our own animals and engineering our own babies.
Nature is resilient. If you were right, which you are not, you would welcome climate change so as to destroy the human race.
But it won't happen. You can keep worrying. We have actual problems to deal with
No fuck you im not reading all that shit. Especially with the opening "fuck you guys"
Humans are not the sole reason for climate change. White people do their part to limit their pollution. If you want to preach to someone, preach to china. They're the cause of the majority of our pollution
It wouldn't be a problem if we introduced population caps, and stopped the PC "everybody is equal". Can anyone honestly say that extermination of the majority of the Middle East, Indians, Chinese and Africans would not be a tremendous gift to the planet?
>>57232174
>we can't have nuclear output/research because of Christians
What the fuck are you talking about? Nearly every single person I've seen protesting nuclear power is always a tree hugging faggot that has no understanding of nuclear physics.
>>57230885
>stewardship of earth
I like this. You religious, m9?
>>57232329
Soil scientist here again.
Doesn't matter what the fuck China does, our soils are fucked.
>>57232308
>even though our planet's workings are insanely complex and it might be possible to predict micro and macro changes
Insanely
Might be
When are you going to start talking like an adult man? You are a hysterical woman
>>57232308
>and it might be possible to predict micro and macro changes
*Impossible, sorry.
>>57230885
>biologist
>doesn't know DDT was later proven to not be the cause of what was claimed
>not caring that the banning of DDT is believed to have lead to the deaths of 20 million children
>>57230885
The SUN
>>57232407
physicist here
this.
I don't really know jack shit about ecology but I do know that most agricultural land on the planet has been irreversibly fucked. That's why the HUEHUEs down in Brazil constantly cut down rainforest. They don't know how to take care of the soil so they abuse the shit out of it for about 10 years and then it is depleted and they have to move on.
If it weren't for fertilizers, we would not be able to support anything NEAR the amount of food we're providing now. In 100 years time, we'll see a lot of Earth's population die off from lack of food. Hopefully only the non-white parts tho
>>57230885
We all can't get what we want. You turned my children into faggots and sluts. I'll force your children to wear gas mask.
>>57232083
Are you saying that the world will go the way of Hamilton?
>>57232524
Not human children, obamas sons
>>57232083
>The rural folk will still survive, but the city and town dwellers, they are going to die like rats.
God is just.
>>57231761
>major breakthroughs in green energy are coming
agreed, they just need more time and money, which is investing in green energy is so important.
India's energy consumption is 1/12 of the United States' energy consumption. Much of Africa lives in poverty and cannot afford consistent electricity or vehicles. The big problem in climate change are first world countries. We have a very high standard of living and don't want to give any of it up at all. We don't want to turn off lights when we're not using them, we don't want to eat less meat, we want all kinds of fruit at all times during the year, we want to drive any car we want at all times without regard to actual needs, etc. There are things we can do on an individual basis to reduce our footprint and non of them are huge deals.
I turn off lights if I don't need them on. I take 5-10 minute showers. I bike or walk wherever I can. I don't eat a lot of beef or pork (animal agriculture releases a shit ton of methane into the atmosphere. Not saying go vegetarian at all though. I'm certainly not). The next car I buy is going to be a hybrid. I'm going to plant my own garden so I can live off my own land when I get a house.
People can do all or only a few of those things to help out. It's not a major over hall and destruction of our way of life.
>>57230885
"No matter if the science of global warming is all phony...
climate change provides the greatest opportunity to
bring about justice and equality in the world."
- Christine Stewart,
former Canadian Minister of the Environment
"We've got to ride this global warming issue.
Even if the theory of global warming is wrong,
we will be doing the right thing in terms of
economic and environmental policy."
- Timothy Wirth,
President of the UN Foundation
"We need to get some broad based support,
to capture the public's imagination...
So we have to offer up scary scenarios,
make simplified, dramatic statements
and make little mention of any doubts...
Each of us has to decide what the right balance
is between being effective and being honest."
- Prof. Stephen Schneider,
Stanford Professor of Climatology,
lead author of many IPCC reports
"The common enemy of humanity is man.
In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up
with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming,
water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these
dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through
changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome.
The real enemy then, is humanity itself."
- Club of Rome,
premier environmental think-tank,
consultants to the United Nations
When can we go to a new planet and rebuild civilization with whites only?
>>57230885
hahaahahahah wait let me laugh at you some more you butthurt little faggot liberal bitch nigga ahahahahaahahahahahahahahhahaahhahahahahahaahhafuckyoucunthahahahaahahahahhaahahhahaahahhahaahha
>>57230885
>You've all of course heard the statistics on the VAST majority of scientists agreeing that human-caused global climate change exists.
There are no such statistics, and you are lying.
The statistics you are referring to but are too confused to remember describe the majority of *papers* on climate change being that its a thing. Well no shit. I'm not going to be interested in God if I don't believe in him, either.
>Fuck you for wanting to ruin my future enjoyment of the planet and all that it provides.
Other way around, you're trying to secure absolute totalitarianism in the name of savingz da erf, when the vast majority of AGW believers have absolutely no concept of what stopping it would entail. All there is is a bit of "hey if we cut carbon emissions by 0.2% and research green energy things will be great!" No.
>>57230885
It's not that climate change isn't real. It's that global warming isn't real and there is absolutely no evidence to prove otherwise.
We need to plant more trees, and chop down less. It's simple as that. This will offset the carbon and the rest of that shit.
>>57232308
>And even though our planet's workings are insanely complex and it might be possible to predict micro and macro changes in the planet's atmosphere and ecosystems, we CAN study predict, based on continuously revised models set upon previous climate changes, the future trends.
you stupid fucks have about a record of being about 99.99999999999999999% completely wrong on everything
climate scam is a scam
you're not even a real scientist, your some redditor shill
>>57230885
>I'm easily swayed by low information FB/Instagram tier political memes: The Post
>>57230885
>> climate change exists
Sure. Climate is cyclical in nature.
>> climate change is happening because of mankind.
No.
>> climate change is being accelerated by mankind.
prove it.
>> climate change is my fault or my responsibility.
No. Prove it.
>>57231761
The ice caps are growing because it's so hot the ice is melting and spreading out ;^)
*repeat post to fix newfag formatting problem above
"No matter if the science of global warming is all phony... climate change provides the greatest opportunity tobring about justice and equality in the world."
- Christine Stewart,
former Canadian Minister of the Environment
"We've got to ride this global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic and environmental policy."
- Timothy Wirth,
President of the UN Foundation
"We need to get some broad based support, to capture the public's imagination... So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements and make little mention of any doubts... Each of us has to decide what the right balance
is between being effective and being honest."
- Prof. Stephen Schneider,
Stanford Professor of Climatology,
lead author of many IPCC reports
"The common enemy of humanity is man. In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome. The real enemy then, is humanity itself."
- Club of Rome,
premier environmental think-tank,
consultants to the United Nations
>>57233069
>you stupid fucks
>99.99999999999999999%
> your some
>>57232588
magician here.
this is fucking funny
you guys are saying you're scientists and then you say that we won't be able to grow as much food as we do now without fertilizers
the only reason why we can grow as much food as we can now is because of fertilizers (and other ag tech)
go back to reddit faggots.
>>57231061
Denying climate change already makes you a delusional faggot
Claiming your imaginary friend justifies it makes you one of the most mentally handicapped delusional faggot to walk this Earth
How do you justify your existence considering you are in every way preventing the progression of the human race? And that the world would be better off if you were killed?
>>57231061
God is a lying faggot. If we're going by the Bible you would be better off siding with Satan, he kills a lot fewer people.
>>57233170
“The data doesn't matter. We're not basing our recommendations
on the data. We're basing them on the climate models.”
- Prof. Chris Folland,
Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research
>>57233380
“The models are convenient fictions
that provide something very useful.”
- Dr David Frame,
climate modeler, Oxford University
>>57233264
>'climate change denier'
>>57230885
>Has the possibilities to devastate the earth
>people worried about money
People never change, gotta love em
The incalculable amount of variables which factor into climate are impossible for us to comprehend much less measure, disseminate and discern each influence with every other corresponding variable affected. It is closer to chaos than picking out a handful of environmental flags and stating such a blanket explanation as fact. Even the simplest of processes become near chaotic when examined in ever increasingly smaller scale much less planetary. Improvements in data collection with disregard to localized environmental and topographic variables (changed or underreported), coupled with the sheer amount of data collected for comparison antiquates previous data in scope and methodology. Experimenter bias can be attributed to much more than a salary, in the prestige of fronting humanity saving research in our dire final hour, receiving awards and accolades and earning a prominent place in the regulatory behemoth established to counter the contrived results before they show no fruition. Climatology resembles a religion, which explains the wildly unreasonable reaction to qualified dissension in peer review, refusal of data sharing and dismissal of the need for reproduction when errors and falsifications are present. That every climatologist concurs, what they were taught and are now teaching is fact, means nothing. And if it had remained in the scientific realm, it would still be called Meteorology. If man's influence on climate change was correctly represented as a hypothesis, it would not currently be the basis for the regulatory systems being devised, causing apoplectic opposition to the devastating economic ramifications and repression of civil liberties. Then research with the removal of politics being of foremost prominence in the exclusion of experimental bias would ensure the integrity of the studies and true consensus can be found.
>>57233411
"It doesn't matter what is true,
it only matters what people believe is true."
- Paul Watson,
co-founder of Greenpeace
>>57233155
But the proof exists
Look up any of the papers on it
It shouldn't be someone else's job to explain it to you simply because you're too stupid to understand it yourself
It's your obligation as someone who consumes resources and energy
Either way anyone with a brain that you ever share you skepticism with will laugh at your behind your bag for being a complete moron and you'll never have any slight possibility of being considered intellectual or even in the least people well educated. Facts are facts buddy.
>>57233411
"The only way to get our society to truly change is to
frighten people with the possibility of a catastrophe."
- emeritus professor Daniel Botkin
Animals are going extinct due to loss of habitat and pollution of our waterways. No animals have died because the planet has gotten 1 degree warmer over the last 50yrs.
The planet has been getting warmer and colder from the beginning of time. If you think the change we have seen is anything significant, you are a retard.
>>57230885
Or let me produce a counter theory:
God/mother nature/Thor/Xenu is pissed about niggers and that's why the species are dying out.
>>57233451
>But the proof exists
Look up any of the papers on it
>But the proof exists
Look up any of the papers on it
>But the proof exists
Look up any of the papers on it
>But the proof exists
Look up any of the papers on it
>But the proof exists
Look up any of the papers on it
>But the proof exists
Look up any of the papers on it
>But the proof exists
Look up any of the papers on it
>>57230885
the world was fine for billions of years without life so get over it.
>>57233490
"We are on the verge of a global transformation.
All we need is the right major crisis..."
- David Rockefeller,
Club of Rome executive member
>>57233526
?
Whenever you resort to greentext and just quote one sentence you could not be making any more clear that you're
1. Wrong
2. Know you're wrong
3. Damage control
>>57230885
the climate changes around 2-4 times a year depending on where you live
>>57233526
Show me proof of animals going extinct due to the temperature change we have seen in the past 50yrs. Not because pollution or loss of habitat, but because temperature change.
>>57230885
The respiratory illness image looks like a file photo for a cosmetic surgery advert.
The embedded politics are on display when all importance is placed on halting progress and limiting freedoms instead of countering the perceived effects through their own means of collection, disposal, or production of whatever they imagine will balance things out.
>>57231347
>>57231317
>>57231658
>>57232083
Underrated posts
>>57230885
You should be posting this on a liberal website. /pol/ is very pro nuclear power.
>>57233451
Both sides fund the results they want. I'm not qualified to form a real opinion on it as I don't have the credentials or the time to go though all the information and compare and contrast them while accounting for context. but the massive smeer campaign around those who deny it and the aggressive disregard some of these deniers have ( want all research to cease ) are both worrying.
The big problem is that even if the west goes though massive changes to help prevent it it won't mean shit for the rest of the world. I think resource based economies are fucking stupid long term but we shouldn't be limiting the economic property of smaller nations like canada severely when our footprint is negligible if it even exists.
>>57233662
you show me first faggot
the burden of proof is on you climate hysteria dumb fucks
and all you can do is trump up a bunch of stuff thats been proven to be a lie over and over and over again like the 97% of scientists agree bullshit
you don't know shit
you read reddit a lot and then get your pannies in a twist
you have no fucking clue about what you believe is absolute truth by now
>>57233662
Marine life and Lizard populations
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/328/5980/894.short
http://www.jstor.org/stable/30033846?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
Climate change or no climate change, what really pains my an us is pollution. We're making the water and air fucking toxic and making natural places and animals disappear. It pisses me off to see piles of garbage on the side of the road and in streams I used to play in as a kid. It pisses me off to see pictures of trash islands floating in the ocean and landfills. It pisses me off that toxic chemicals in the environment and the spread of chytridiomycosis are going to make amphibians extinct. It pisses me off that little girls are having their periods at 8 because of all the hormones in the food. It pisses me off that the toxic pesticides I am exposed to because of Roundup resistant plants owned by Monsanto cause genetic and epigenetic changes in me and any offspring I have for 3 generations. Humans can't be fucking with chemicals and making waste like this. We're going to destroy ourselves and everything nice about this earth.
homo sapiens killed off other humanoids and look at how we evolved from that. not everything needs to live on.
>>57233662
> Temperature change can't cause loss of habitat
>>57230885
>Being mad at fellow Americans for denying climate change when it's China and India that fuck up the planet regardless of whether or not they actually believe in climate change
Stay plebeian, Op.
>>57232083
>Thinking mankind doesn't have the skills to get around any issue they face.
Human ingenuity hasn't let us down yet.
Increased CO2 levels will foster greater photosynthetic growth
>>57233335
>siding with the loser
only in USA
>>57230885
>do you know what's going to happen 10, 20, 50, and 100 years down the line?
everything will be fixed because people just as passionate as you but smarter are out there working on shit instead of complaining
99.9% of all species on Earth have already gone extinct, hundreds is nothing.
>>57234038
We've barely faced ecological crisis' yet, we've only been burning fossil fuels for a relatively short time in human civilisation. Sure we might survive, but do you really want millions of people to die? Never get to eat fish or meat again? Never be able to visit island countries? Antarctica?
Refer to
>>57234039
>>57234003
>India will never learn to poo in the loo
>the rest of the world contaminated by India's toxic waste
>>57234058
Shouldn't you be worshipping maradona?
>>57234128
Yes but there was nothing we could do about those, there IS something we can do about the currently living species, and we should preserve every single one possible.
>>57230885
There is no need to be upset.
>>57234058
>loser
But by God's own standards most people in the world today are going to hell, so Satan probably has way more souls at this point. He also obviously succeeded in corrupting man and making the world a hellish wasteland. So wouldn't he be the winner?
>>57233924
Bruh. Learn to read. Same side. You have no fucking clue how to read do you? Oh god you're on my side... Fuck.
>>57233948
First thing on the first links page
> It is predicted that climate change will cause species extinctions and distributional shifts in coming decades, but data to validate these predictions are relatively scarce.
I asked for proof you faggot.
>>57233995
It can but hasn't.
>>57233948
>http://www.sciencemag.org/content/328/5980/894.short
you don't get it
these scientists have pumped out so much bullshit in the scramble for money not many people believe any of these things any more
for every article or video you post saying this is the 'truth' there are 5 articles or videos people can watch that will refute these things...because they are by and large politicized
BULLSHIT
>>57234166
So you just said we should use fear tactics for something that MIGHT happen.
No one has yet to show me any proof that climate change has been the direct reason a species has gone extinct.
Hey if you don't like my state relying on coal I'm sure we'd be happy if you paid for a nuclear plant to replace it.
I like being warm and having electricity though, so unless you got a solution to pay for your renewable energy I think you should focus more on places like Africa and China for pollution.
>>57230885
>more arctic ice now than at any other point in our lifetime
>more polar bears now than at any other point in our lifetime
>satellite temps show temperatures dropping
>97% of world lobbying for taxes on wealthier countries
>97% of world is poor as fuck and would benefit from redistribution
>Global warm- I mean climate change is real goy! We need your shekels to alleviate the suffering of these poor brown people!
>No, your shekels won't do anything to actually reverse the supposed damage
Remember guys, the entire east coast is literally submerged right now. Oh wait, we aren't using those models anymore, it will be submerged very soon!
>>57230885
There are 196 official Countries tard 175 / 196 = 89%
And no one cares about your faggotty environment either. I don't plan on having kids and I don't give a fuck about your kids so why should I give a fuck.
>>57234296
Satan is not the master of hell, but another prisoner
Op Stfu and watch this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sHg3ZztDAw&index=2&list=PLuFbsBNf8YLsmMY_bilMEFFQIamOFFnXr
>>57231249
Your logic is flawed. Just because you can improve one technology doesn't mean another technology can be improved.
>>57230885
>wildlife biologist
>have to watch species go extinct
Yet another "biologist" who apparently do not understand the concept of biological evolution.
What do you think "selection" means, retard?
Well if the dems didn't oppose nuclear power we wouldn't have to worry about it, but noo, you fucktards are all "WINDMILLS OR BUST"
Climate change shills btfo.
>>57234181
>One day our children will die in literal shitpools from the failures of Indian infrastructure.
This isn't the future I chose....
>>57234474
>this bullshit about polar bears
Why the fuck do I keep seeing people say polar bear populations are increasing? They're just moving towards more populated areas because their ice is disappearing and they have no where else to go. Just because you see more than you used to doesn't mean there are more, especially on a planet as big as ours.
Read the first question and answer you faggots
http://www.polarbearsinternational.org/about-polar-bears/what-scientists-say/are-polar-bear-populations-booming
>>57234512
edgy bruh
>>57234786
>not knowing the difference between natural selection and mass extinction
lol get out
>>57234512
Weather climate change is real or not, that kind of mindset is cancerous. off yourself
>>57234512
thought I edited that 175 number.
*Over 190 countries are in attendance.
>>57230885
>Current Year
>Still believes in climate change (jewish lies)
I'm not sure why anyone is arguing whether it is real or not, let's assume that one of the bad/worse cases is actually true (I'm talking about the serious journals not that hillarious nonsense Al-Gore/joe blow on the street says)
What is your solution?
Cutting emissions is a fucking joke as is going to solar/wind power as anything other than auxiliary resources until the tech gets way better but even more importantly battery technology gets way better and trust me battery tech is getting oodles of money as it is right now it's improving but not very fast and that NEEDS to be a lot better in order to work. The only reasonable solution in the meantime is for rich nations with the technology is to make nuclear the primary energy source of electricity, and let the younger nations use coal. This will have far far far more effect than any nonsense about moving towards solar/wind also it will lower energy costs thus increase quality of living. Over the next decade or 2 batteries will get good enough that electric cars(or maybe hydrogen cars will come back) will start becoming actually affordable to people that arn't rich. This will allow even more of the total energy to move towards nuclear.
Like the problem I have with global warming people isn't on if it's real or not or human caused or how bad. It's that their solutions arn't solutions they are terrible delaying strategies that result in way higher losses of quality of life and productivity.
Also the more extreme weather thing is total horse shit and lacks any data to back it up. *this is when you post that tornado graph, and I'll point out that the F3-5 counts are basically the same and F1-2 counts went way up because our ability to detect them went way up.)
Electrical Engineer here so uhh yeah my job is doing cost:benefit analysis instead of just looking at half the equation like you idiots, and I know multiple people in the power industry they all have pretty much the same opinion I do on energy.
>>57234786
It will be another ice age instead, the fresh water from the ice caps will shut off the Oceanic currents.
However that is provided the supercaldera under Yellowstone doesn't blow first.
>>57234786
>only the strongest survive when we poison and destroy their habitats
Animals don't have insurance you know
>>57230885
No, fuck you Chicken Little.
>>57235109
If it gets bad enough they'll poke holes in it or something
>>57230885
>Who was concerned about the economy when Rachel Carson published Silent Spring and there was a push to ban DDT? The corporations and politicians reliant on that industry.
>DDT
**SNIP**
Stopped reading there.
The attacks on DDT were pushed by Monsanto. Their patents on DDT were going to run out, so they wanted to ban it.
DDT is one of the best pesticides ever made.
http://junkscience.com/1999/07/100-things-you-should-know-about-ddt/
You just shot yourself in the foot.
Why should we care about the environment when the Muslims will just take over the world anyway? You see the big problem!? We can't worry about trees when a knife is at our throats!
>>57230885
>it doesn't exist
>it's called anthropomorphic weather patterns
>you and your liberal nigger friends just want power and want to feel like you have control over Mother Nature
>you just want a cause to fight for and now it's turned into a religion
>>57233451
Bloo bloo bloo u r teh dum people will laff at u cuz u r dum read da paperz guise they r proof
That's what you sound like.
If you're going to sit there and spit bullshit at ME, you need to prove to ME why I should agree with YOU.
That's the fucking most basic principle of argument.
Now we're going to get into your argument.
I'm born into an obligation to spend my entire life seeking out a way to reverse a naturally occurring process accelerated by rapidly industrializing nations full of poor people?
Do you even fucking understand how stupid that is? Do you not wonder why nobody gives a shit about this scare-tactic garbage?
No matter how much I give, no matter how much I change, aside from being the literal savior of humanity and inventing something to help us, I cannot make a single fucking difference. For every fuck I give there are millions of people who are literally wiping their ass with their ignorance. For every dollar I spend trying to be more green and ecologically friendly, there are billions of dollars being spent by people in third world shitholes that act against it. Dumping pollution, cutting down massive ancient forests, shitting in the fucking streets. There is literally nothing anyone can do to stop this ball from rolling and all of your hair pulling, finger pointing, fear mongering bullshit is just lube for you and your faggot friends to circle jerk with so you can feel superior to plebeian normies who are "ignorant" and "unaccountable"
>>57232073
>Since industrialization, global temperatures have been steadily rising. That's the main problem.
You wanna know another change that's happened in parallel with that? The Little Ice Age ended (officially in 1850), and temperatures have been returning to those of the Medieval Warm Period, _which_were_higher_than_today's_.
muh climate change
>I have to watch hundreds of species go extinct or become threatened or endangered because of poor stewardship to the Earth by all of you ignorant keks. Animals and plants that build ecosystems that humans rely on for survival are being fucking ruined because "b-but mah coal and oil"
[citation needed]
I don't deny Climate Change. But I don't really give a fuck about it. How's that?
>>57236405
still disappointing but less ignorant
Reminder:
* A doubling of preindustrial CO2, absent any feedbacks, would result in a maximum forcing of +1.2C. Everyone agrees on this point because it's a simple computation given the physical characteristics of CO2 which is well mixed in the atmosphere.
* Actual warming, again absent feedbacks, would likely be much less due to bandwidth overlap between CO2 and H2O, something that we understand but find difficult to model (H2O levels vary dramatically day to day and even hour to hour with regional weather).
* The General Circulation Models, and the IPCC, predict 2-8C of warming because AGW theory assumes a positive H2O feedback. They assume that if CO2 causes a little warming, the atmosphere will hold more water vapor which will lead to a lot of warming until a new equilibrium point is reached.
* The warming predictions cover such a large range because everyone assumes a different average feedback rate. Again, modeling H2O in the atmosphere is extremely difficult because it varies so much with weather.
* Every GCM based on this assumption has failed to model temperatures for the past 15 years. They are all trending too high.
* In the late 1990's the modelers themselves stated that if they missed their predictions for more then a decade that would falsify AGW theory.
* There is no data to suggest a +H2O feedback either now or in Earth's past. Indeed, we cannot model some periods in Earth's history with an assumed +H2O feedback. It would appear that Earth's atmosphere is remarkably adept at dampening forcings from either direction, and does not amplify them.
* If there is no +H2O feedback then we literally have nothing to worry about.
* The average climate change believer knows none of this. Politicians, citizens, activists, surprisingly even a lot of scientists are literally ignorant of the theory and the math. In their mind it's simply "CO2 = bad" and "experts say we're warming faster then ever."
The more you know.
>>57230885
I'm 100% with you OP. I started reading about climate change about a year ago and haven't stopped since (used to not think about it at all/slightly deny anything was changing). We have locked in catastrophic climate change and I'm pretty sure it's not going to do anything but accelerate until our plants and livestock die of heat death. I'm of the opinion we have about 15 years of normal lives to live before everything truly gets mucked up. We should have a Manhattan Project level of investment of time and money in figuring out how to scrub carbon from the atmosphere but we aren't doing shit.
For all of you brainless anti-science keks in here, consider that we have added 40% more CO2 to the atmosphere. We completely altered the chemistry of an entire planet's atmosphere. Do you jagoffs realize how insane that is? We're completely fucked and I'm not even kidding. I only live to see the day the deniers get fed a big fat fucking helping of just desserts you absolute cunts.
>>57232073
Yeah, but the temperature has been steadily rising on Mars since Industrialization too.
Did you know there were factories on Mars? I sure didn't. Almost as if the SUN IS HEATING UP AND THAT'S WHY THE PLANETS ARE ALL HEATING UP AND THE FACT THAT THE TEMPERATURE SHIFT DATES BACK TO INDUSTRIALIZATION IS PURE COINCIDENCE.
Burn, baby, burn.
>>57230885
In the south we have a saying "Nothing changes but the weather." However I'm going to label you as an outdoorsman, come on brosef wildlife biologists. Go dig a hole
>>57236563
>40% more CO2 to the atmosphere
A change from 0.000002 to 0.000004 of CO2.
Insignificant.
>>57232866
>Despite substantial uncertainties, especially for the period prior to 1600 for which data are scarce, the warmest period of the last 2,000 years prior to the 20th century very likely occurred between 950 and 1100. Proxy records show peak warmth occurred at different times for different regions, indicating that the Medieval Warm Period was not a time of globally uniform change. Temperatures in some regions matched or exceeded recent temperatures in these regions, but globally the Medieval Warm Period was cooler than recent global temperatures. Temperatures were probably between 0.1 °C and 0.2 °C below the 1961 to 1990 mean and significantly below the level shown by instrumental data after 1980.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Warm_Period
>>57230885
who was concerned for any rules not in place to be in place
oh right
it's the people who want power but don't have it
>>57233185
Try reading your own post. Go on, all it says is exactly what we are saying.
You dont see the inconsistency in your sarcasm do you?
>>57234512
>I don't plan on having kids
>Implying anyone would want to breed with you
>and I don't give a fuck about your kids so why should I give a fuck.
literal nigger mentality
whatever faggot the only purpose of the agenda being shoved down our throats is to enslave us even further
>>57230885
You have to watch hundreds of species go extinct? Hundreds? Top fukking lel you moron.
Climate change is important but not more important than kebab slaughtering innocents and flooding into europe.
http://www.naturalnews.com/052143_climate_change_carbon_dioxide_rainforests.html#
>>57237357
>debate about a controversial topic
>quotes wikipedia
>>57230885
Who gives a shit
If we don't fight the sand Niggers now we still don't get to breath fresh healthy air
In fact, we won't get to breath
Also, I'm not completely denying it, but I an sceptical
For instance, the global temp hasn't increased in 18 years (according to NASA) also NASA pics reveal the ice caps not getting smaller, but bigger
At this point is not a pressing issue, and can be fixed later
If we don't help Europe now, we'll be next
And do you think dune coons give a shit about pollution?
>>57237896
http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
>>57231761
>Ice caps are growing
Some are growing, but net change is negative (pic related). Increased precipitation and local tempeature decreases can explain this effect.
>It's part of the natural cycle of the Earth. Do humans have that big of an influence on it? Certainly not.
Earth's previous climate shifts were controlled* by CO2 levels. Humans have substaintially increased the volume of CO2 in the atmosphere and have had effects on the amount stored in the ocean as well. (I spent several years measuring this at UChicago, in coordination with Depaul and Loyola).**
>It is a fact that none of the global warming, oh wait what are we calling it now, climate change? Yes my bad.
Essentially an ad hom...arguing over buzz words... Moving on
>Scientists cannot predict next week's weather, do not try to tell me they can predict weather 300 years from now.
>speaking as a physicist
I would expect a phyicist to understand chaos theory well enough to know why these two models (short term local weather vs long term global patterns) are not comparable. I can explain the jist to you if you missed class those days.
Footnotes
*I recognize this word choice is poor, I am tired and could not come up with a more suitable one as this is slightly outside my field of study.
**Related to above, I did my UG in Mathematics and my Graduate in Financial Math. However, I had to do interdisciplinary work and there was an abundance of projects on CO2 measurement, so my knowledge is ancillary here from needing a basic background in order to assist in my portion of the projects.
Finally, the notion you raised that "scientists will say X because grant money" is obviously true sometimes. First hand experience, most of the research and work was done by people who were interested in the field and money was not a motication. A lot of this research is cheap-ish to do, our weather ballooing over the past two decades runs about ~4k-10k a semester budget for materials (basically nothing).
>>57232125
Get to it brave komrade
We will sing tales of your heroism
>>57232162
BTFO
T
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>>57231216
Assuming greenhouse gasses didn't absorb infrared light, and all the experiments proving otherwise were falsified (LOL), acidification of our oceans is arguably worse than climate change.
There is so much to gain from switching to renewable energy sources and very little to lose (long term speaking) cutting our carbon, sulfuric, nitric oxides emissions.
>>57230885
https://soundcloud.com/kenny-allen-tx/mother-nature-will-kick-your
>>57230885
Fuck this planet. It's tried to do nothing but kill us since our inception. Scrape it clean to push technology to wild heights. Use it and understand it for what it really is: a stepping stone to an entire universe.
>>57234736
We know that the efficiencies of renewable resources can be improved, because they continually are. They are also more affordable with each passing year. Tesla now sells electric cars marketed for the middle class. If the problem is economical, than we need to invest more in R&D. The world has pulled together many times prior for the betterment of the human race (ex. eradication of polio, the U.N., Internet). There's nothing wrong with investing in our future, I know conservatives fear change, but change(adaptation) is why we are here.
Ok here goes,
During 2007, Scientists playing around with nanotech, discover the optical antenna, which converts light into a electric current at a near 90% efficiency. Normal Solar panels are around 20% or so. Not only this but other physicists and electrical engineers know that thermal energy is just another frequency of the E-M spectrum and can apply the same principles to infra red energy. Plus the antennas for this range are slightly bigger for this and are therefore easier to produce. (Construction can be done in any Computer lithographic process of approx. 100nm or bigger - easily doable in today's computer chip market)
At a guestimate, a 1m x 1m wall of these antennas would convert local thermal energy during a 24hr period to be about 144mA. Due to the conservation of energy principle this power comes from lowering the local thermal environment.
There we go boys and girls. electricity production AND environmental temperature reduction. No-one knows about this because you fucking climate change scientists take all the grant money.
tl:dr, we can save the planet, if you can stop for a second with the dodgy data and climate models that don't work and redirect the money to a solution that has worked - An actual working physicist
>>57238824
>acidification of our oceans
Ocean acidification is yet another non-event maymay. Ignoring for the moment that the ocean is basic, not pH neutral, Coral actually grows more in less basic waters.
But hey, enjoy your delusion.
Reading matter for you:
http://www.cfact.org/2014/12/22/what-if-obamas-climate-change-policies-are-based-on-phraud/
>>57232826
well if you appreciate that i can definitely tell you the spics you vote democrat to import definitely dont give a fuck about the environment or nature or our country
>>57238974
We can save every single cuddly little animal and then the Yellowstone Caldera fucks us all.
Greenie Weenies need to fuck off.
>>57238974
I second your notion.
>>57233440
I agree with thr first part of your idea, but disagree with the conclusion.
>Even the simplest of processes become near chaotic when examined in ever increasingly smaller scale.
The magnitude and difficulty of calculations increases inversely proportional to the scale. In this context, it is very difficult to accurately predict how much rain will fall in a week from now from 3pm to 6pm in Chicago. It is comparably easy to predict how much rain will fall over the course of 2016-2017 in all of Illinois. We are generally accurate at the second, but not so with the first. There is a reason why, however I lack the vocabulary to explain it without math
>>57239538
http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/co2/story/Ocean+Acidification
http://www.teachoceanscience.net/teaching_resources/education_modules/coral_reefs_and_climate_change/how_does_climate_change_affect_coral_reefs/
>>57231761
>It is a fact that none of the global warming, oh wait what are we calling it now, climate change?
Despite the fact that 2015 is now the hottest year on record, I think the switch to "climate change" is because the term "global warming" confuses people who live in micro climates that cool due to the overall warming of earth.
As a physicist, you should know that even if we aren't able to accurately predict the climate 300 years from now, dramatically changing the chemical composition of our atmosphere probably isn't a good idea.
As a physicist, assuming you studied quantum theory, you should know the properties of greenhouse gasses.
As a physicist, you should know that the earth emits infrared radiation after being warmed by the sun.
As a physicist, you should know that greenhouse gasses absorb infrared radiation, containing more heat in our closed system (earth).
What school did you graduate from and what class?
>>57239538
>coral actually grows more in less basic waters
That's patently false. I've worked in coral aquaculture for a decade and anyone with a basic knowledge of chemistry knows that acidic oceans interfere with coral calcification. Acid breaks down calcium carbonate which is the primary component of hard coral skeletons.
>>57230885
your post is a good troll
at least it gives some hope that the obvious shilling done by those pushing the climate change is real delusion gets blown the fuck out
your kind isnt wanted on here
>>57234051
Interesting side note, if I understand correctly, short term climate change effects are helping parts of the US economy by increasing our agricultural yields from lengthened growing seasons (we're up about 4 weeks extra now). I'm not actually sure anyone's done a real analysis on this topic and not just idle speculation though.
>>57239696
>makes no statement or point, just posts links
Build wall, Pedro.
Coral bleaching is not caused by the heat, but by sudden temperature change. Try harder.
>>57239839
Congratulations, you passed basic chemistry. However, the oceans are basic to begin with.
We have the world's biggest coral reef, and the biggest threat to it is not "warming" or pH change, it is an introduced species of starfish that eats the coral polyps.
>>57239538
>www.cfact.org
What does the Koch brother's and Marc Morano's dicks taste like?
I'm sure wealthy industrialists, businesspeople, and former political aides know more about climate change than scientist.
I don't know why I'm taking chemistry classes to be a chemist, I should be taking political science classes instead.
>>57240172
You're ignoring the reports then. Crown of stars are devastating but the warming and acidification is what is causing the bleaching events. That's what kills reefs. Stony corals survive and thrive within an extremely narrow temperature and ph. Outside of 78 degree F and a ph of 8.4, coral are extremely likely to bleach or be overtaken by algae in the event of stresses such as pollution, predators, and El Niño events
>>57236542
I agree with this anon.
However, I don't think it's wise to continue this experiment of dumping CO2 into the atmosphere, given what we know about past indicators. Maybe it will be okay, but I think it is a bad bet to take and I gamble for a living.
>>57240321
>I'm sure wealthy industrialists, businesspeople, and former political aides know more about climate change than scientist.
Ah, yes, the old fallacy of attempting to discredit the information based on the provider and not the facts.
But hey, I'm certain that scientists funded by governments, wealthy industrialists, and businesspeople who are set to make billions from "climate change" and pushing so-called "green" technology are going to forever be utterly impartial, am I right?
>>57239538
>>57240172
You keep pointing out that the ocean is basic but I don't think you know what that means. Lowering the pH by introducing more hydronium ions in to the water is acidification, regardless of whether or not the final solution is acidic, the pH is still lowered.
>>57240513
Build nuclear powerplants then.
>>57240600
I'd be fine with that, I think we have a good grasp on the negative effects and have adequate plans for dealing with them.
>>57230885
The great climate Oracle has finally showed his face. I'm glad you're here to tell us your prediction of the future.
>>57240565
Is not a fallacy.
Marc Morano doesn't know what a fucking equilibrium constant is, nor a hydronium atom, nor the absorption spectrum of CO2 and CH4. He gets his information from Alex Jones and other like minding individuals.
The overwhelming majority of scientist agree that greenhouse emissions should be reduced and they have plenty of paper that explain why.
I suggest you read some, rather than get your climate science information from ex political aides and wealthy people vested in the continued use of fossil fuels.
>>57230885
>TFW I LIVE IN MINNESOTA AND I WANT IT TO GET WARMER
We could be using nuclear power to replace all the coal power plants and most of the natural gas power plants, in America. Though the liberals ruined that all back in the 80s with their unfounded fears and Not In My Back Yard attitudes.
You also have people like the Sierra Club. That would rather have us all freeze and starve in the dark. Than have us using carbon energy. I work in promoting alt fuel vehicles and EVs are a big part of this. Sierra Club nimrods are all against EVs because "muh coal" and ignore the huge efficiency of power plants and EVs. So they keep driving around in their 30 year old Volvos and Hondas.
Maybe people will notice when the phytoplankton dies, but I doubt it. I've seen my own government increase subsidies to coal industry and cut solar panel subsidies.
At this point I don't see any way out of it.
If all beef was replaced with kangaroos which taste like beef, and don't produce methane gas and yeald more meat with less food and water than cows. Domestic farm animals being 30% the cause of climate change this switch would potentially cause change.
>>57230885
OH LOOK IT IS THE MOTHERS OF AMERICA OUT AGAIN TO SAVE ALL THE GAY BABY WHALES
Fuck off.
>>57241300
Or we could just eat less meat in general. as the farming of the feedstock is a major source of meat's pollution.
The West and countries emulating the West. They have an obsession with meat/dairy/fish/poultry with every meal. Which just is not sustainable. It isn't even how modern humans lived until after the industrial revolution. We ate mostly beans and grains.
>>57241300
I'd be ok with that.
For now a beef tax would be helpful to slowly reduce the industry.
Most people don't know that methane (CH4) absorbs infrared 100x greater than CO2, and is therefore a more potent greenhouse gas.
>>57241257
Emissions efficiency and cutting fossil fuel use isn't going to save us from our environmental comeuppance. The only real solution is somehow dropping the population back down to pre industrial levels and moving forward with zero population growth and green technology policies as a global imperative.
Frankly, human lives are overvalued. Shedding a few billion apex parasites in order to save the rest of the species would be a noble sacrifice
>>57241036
>overwhelming majority of scientist agree
Except: they don't, and people like you deny and bury any evidence that says otherwise.
>>57241437
> farming of the feedstock is a major source of meat's pollution.
I've never understood the US insistence on non-free range beef.
>>57241458
>methane (CH4) absorbs infrared 100x greater than CO2, and is therefore a more potent greenhouse gas
It is also measured in the parts per billion, not million as is CO2.
>>57241499
nuclear weapons have kept us from effectively culling our selves.
can you imagine the hundreds of millions that would have died in a conventional war between communism and the western powers?
>>57241625
I don't see something short of unprecedented famine, disease, or a nuclear exchange solving the overpopulation problem.
>>57241598
intensive cattle ranching is more cost effective. just keep the cows penned up all day and feed them corn, soy, and antibiotics so they can actually digest the corn and soy.
Because lord help us, if beef and milk prices rose ten to twenty five percent. So that we can have better quality cow.
>>57230885
>fuck anyone on this board who is a climate change denier, and anyone on earth like that too
Well my friend, if you are right, then we must pump out more CO2 to speed up the process. Then you can fuck every person over who disagrees with you.
...If your climate change is affected by human activity.
>>57230885
As long as there's still enough oxygen to gas the kikes and start the race war I'm fine with climate change
>>57241726
No wonder we ban US meat imports. Fuck eating that shit.
>>57241695
well goodnews!
climate change is going to change weather patterns. resulting in crop failures, fresh water shortages, desertification, plague, huge migrant waves, and massive fucking war for control of water and arable land.
>>57241793
it also protects Aussie beef/dairy prices. there is also the risk of mad cow disease.
>>57241499
Get a load of this fucking memester.
If we cut all Co2 emissions from vehicles and factories we'd be left with what he breathe.
That's about 63 thousand tonnes of Co2 a day (provided the average is 2 pounds of Co2 expelled a day by the individual) This means there's about 2 billion tonnes of this a year going out into he world.
Contrast this to the coal and cement industries of every country which is about 33.4 BILLION tonnes a year. If we killed that output completely we'd be okay. We wouldn't be clearly out of the firing line but it'd still be a vast improvement AND you don't have to live out your genocide fantasies.
>>57241793
You ban US meat imports to protect the economic viability of your ranching industry. Our beef is far cheap and just as safe.
The good news is that it won't be banned post-TPP
>>57241856
Even more good reasons. Just like the Wheat Board was designed to buffer wheat farmers from price gouging and market volatility, before the IMF decided it had to go.
>>57241598
Regardless, it is a major contributor to climate change.
Could you please explain to me how I am suppressing the silent majority of scientist who deny climate change? I'm going to also need some sources please.
>>57230885
I can tell you are a wildlife biologist. Do you know how I know?
You can't make a rational argument to save your life. Go back to watching squirrels and leave your statist totalitarian fantasies to your hipster novels. We don't need them.
>>57230885
I believe in MMGW
But i don't believe in solving it.
How the fuck are we supposed to solve it?
By legislating modern industrial culture out of existence?
Good fucking luck, it'll result in the toppling of the modern state and we'll return to industry although this time it's sans-government. Anything goes.
Or even worse we destroy the state and the industrial mechanisms that we all rely on for survival.
Humans are fucked if we use the government to radically alter our behavior to mitigate CC. If GW is the death of the planet, we're damned if we act, damned if we don't act. If it's not, then we should keep our modern states intact anyway for fear of the possible replacements.
>>57241814
Yeah but can we cull the human population before the earth becomes unlivable and we all die in agony?
My university is developing corn that you can mow like grass, I have a hard time believing we can't find a way to lace China and Indias rivers with a short half life "ovary destroyer" drug
>>57241740
>As long as there's still enough oxygen
>I'm fine with climate change
Goddamn /pol/ is retarded.
>>57241915
But that's a pipe dream. Green tech is limited to the developed world and the population growth is coming mostly from the nations that don't have the money to go green.
And good luck eliminating the cement industry. Might as well shut down all the metal refineries while we are at it.
>>57241950
>just as safe
Yeah, no. Your slaughterhouse processes are unhygienic at best, and your meat products are full of hormones and antibiotics.
>>57242028
I'm still mad at the U.S. government for helping eradicate smallpox, fucking statist.
They couldn't do that shit in our day, I wouldn't allow it.
>>57238824
>Assuming greenhouse gasses didn't absorb infrared light, and all the experiments proving otherwise were falsified (LOL),
A doubling of preindustrial CO2, absent any feedbacks, would result in a maximum forcing of +1.2C. This is basic physics verified by the experiments you mention.
AGW GCMs predict 2-8C of warming on the basis of a PRESUMED positive H2O feedback.
There's not any evidence of such a feedback.
If there's not a significant positive feedback to CO2...a feedback larger then the CO2 itself...any where in the climate system then it is pointless to worry about CO2.
>acidification of our oceans is arguably worse than climate change.
"Slight change in PH is arguably worse then...um...nothing really." Fixed it for you.
>There is so much to gain from switching to renewable energy sources
We cannot power the modern world with solar and wind. Period. Aside from the expense they are not base load supplies and cannot be relied upon 24/7.
Nuclear is the only alternative to fossil fuels, and it would take a century to transition the entire globe to nuclear power even if we went balls out.
On that point, even if all the disaster scenarios were true there's still NOTHING we can do because China, India, and the rest of the developing world is going to tell us to fuck off when we say stop using fossil fuels.
>>57231761
Physicist here (an actual one) just wanted to point out that nuclear is the answer anyone that says otherwise is ill informed. To even suggest solar over nuclear fission or fusion is foolish.
Get out fake physicist!!!!! Reeeeeeeeeeeeee
>>57230885
climate change isn't man-made. CO2 doesn't affect the global warming.
>>57239717
>Despite the fact that 2015 is now the hottest year on record,
Records dating back to the end of the Little Ice Age. You realize that proxies show both the Medieval Warm Period and Roman Warm Periods were hotter then today, do you not?
>As a physicist, you should know that ...dramatically changing the chemical composition of our atmosphere probably isn't a good idea.
>changing CO2 levels
>"dramatic"
Choose one and only one.
>As a physicist, you should know that greenhouse gasses absorb infrared radiation, containing more heat in our closed system (earth).
As a shit poster, you should know that the heat is not "contained". Its escape to space is merely slowed as a GHG absorbs energy at one wavelength then emits it at another.
>>57230885
>climate change denier
You can always tell the religious faithful from the scientists when they use this word.
>Who was concerned about the economy when Rachel Carson published Silent Spring and there was a push to ban DDT?
Congratulations on getting millions of Africans killed annually by malaria and other diseases because of delusions about an insecticide. /pol/ probably applauds this decision in particular.
>>57231761
This nigga got it figured out!
>>57242323
>We cannot power the modern world with solar and wind. Period.
Incorrect, we can.
>Aside from the expense
Free energy from the sun? Free energy the Earth's rotation? Are you an idiot? The only expense is construction. There is no ongoing costs mining, paying miners, paying truck drivers, paying power plant operators. Renewable energy is the most cost effective over whole of life projections.
>they are not base load supplies and cannot be relied upon 24/7.
Yes they can. The sun is always shining somewhere, the wind is always blowing somewhere. With a co-ordinated network and enough reserves they can be relied alone forever. And then when you put tidal and geothermal into the mix we have an unbeatable energy network, run sole off exploiting the physics of our planet hurtling through space.
>>57242404
Fusion is still decades, if not centuries away.
>>57242506
>"containing more heat"
learn2readfaggot
When a GHG emits absorbed energy, it isn't always emitted in the same direction that the energy was absorbed, therefore some of it is emitted back towards the troposphere.
CO2 levels increasing by 30% in the last 60 years is dramatic.
>>57241975
It works something like this:
>See what papers the IPCC uses to make it's models. (Not recieves, uses). [This is sample 1]
>Send questionnaire to those scientists.
>A small number respond to the questionnaire.
>Question on it: "Do you believe in global warming/climate change?" (not specified as anthropogenic.)
>Use answers that reply "yes" as sample 2.
>Average sample 1 and 2:
>Oh, look, 97% said yes!
>The Petition Project features over 31,000 scientists signing the petition stating "There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide will, in the forseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere ..."
http://www.petitio
nproject.org/
Here's a good, detailed one, since you claim a scientific background. You can switch in-site to intermediate or basic explanations as to why it is bullshit if it's too complex for you:
https://www.skept
icalscience.com/global-warming-scientific-consensus-advanced.htm
Here are some other examples of why the "consensus" claim is bullshit:
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https://www.skep
ticalscience.com/global-warming-scientific-consensus.htm
http://www.nati
onalreview.com/article/425232/climate-change-no-its-not-97-percent-consensus-ian-tuttle
http://www.ws
j.com/articles/SB10001424052702303480304579578462813553136
http://wattsu
pwiththat.com/2014/05/30/the-myth-of-the-97-climate-change-consensus/
http://www.fo
rbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2013/05/30/global-warming-alarmists-caught-doctoring-97-percent-consensus-claims/
http://www.climatech
angedispatch.com/the-myth-of-a-global-warming-consensus.html
http://www.frien
dsofscience.org/assets/documents/97_Consensus_Myth.pdf
http://www.frie
ndsofscience.org/index.php?id=3
http://www.cfa
ct.org/2014/05/30/the-myth-of-the-97-climate-change-consensus/
>>57242321
Obviously you wouldn't since you hate humanity. WWII must get you hard. All those little resource consuming CO2 producers in the ground and buried. Salvation, eh?
>>57242883
There is so much that is wrong, and indeed, stupid with your post it is hard to know where to begin.
>Incorrect, we can.
[citation needed]
>The only expense is construction
And it is an ongoing cost because solar panels last at most 10-15 years, if they are not damaged.
>There is no ongoing costs mining, paying miners, paying truck drivers, paying power plant operators.
Environmental clean up costs, revegetation, medical expenses... or do you not count those because it happens in China?
>The sun is always shining somewhere, the wind is always blowing somewhere.
That's great. Have you invented some kind of lossless magical electicity transfer method? No? Then how do you propose to safely and reliably transfer electricity in the megawatt range across oceans?
Not to mention that every single example you used has some kind of severe environmental effects in operation. Take tidal- it disrupts natural tidal cycles, affecting sea life, it changes erosion patterns and impedes shipping, as well as disrupting sea currents.
>>57234819
Nuclear power could literally be something everyone could agree on. Put more money into research to make them more cost-efficient, safer (even though modern plants are fucking safe as is), and more powerful.
But fear mongers refuse to listen, so we're stuck being dependent on shitty oil and coal. The "renewable" energies can not supply a country like US, it'll take a fucking long time for that to happen.
>2015
>humans fucked the planet
>implying humans can fix it
>>57243072
>He thinks the atmosphere retains most of it's heat on a cloudless night when H2O content is near-zero.
Anon, the person you responded to was correct. Your understanding of heat absorption and release in the atmosphere is rather simplistic, and is obviously based on high-school infographics.
The atmosphere is a dynamic system and loses heat not just via radiation, but also through convection. Most heat escapes to space during the nighttime. If you had ever lived in a desert area you would understand this.
>>57243385
You're right. Even if what they say is true, it is quite literally impossible to stop that shit from happening, change doesn't happen just like that.
If the human species is wiped out, so be it. Not even being an edgelord, I'd be sad as fuck, but that's how nature works.
It's not like the Earth won't exist and life as we know it will be wiped out. We'll be wiped first, and life continues.
Either that or wiped enough to get the message.
>>57243612
>Either that or wiped enough to get the message.
To get off this rock.
There have been people saying that since the 70's, anon. But no-one wants to do it.
>Earth's previous climate shifts were controlled* by CO2 levels. Humans have substaintially increased the volume of CO2 in the atmosphere and have had effects on the amount stored in the ocean as well. (I spent several years measuring this at UChicago, in coordination with Depaul and Loyola).**
see pic related
>Essentially an ad hom...arguing over buzz words... Moving on
translation: yeah pls forget our fuckup, we're totally right this time guise
>Footnotes
>*I recognize this word choice is poor, I am tired and could not come up with a more suitable one as this is slightly outside my field of study.
>**Related to above, I did my UG in Mathematics and my Graduate in Financial Math. However, I had to do interdisciplinary work and there was an abundance of projects on CO2 measurement, so my knowledge is ancillary here from needing a basic background in order to assist in my portion of the projects.
>Finally, the notion you raised that "scientists will say X because grant money" is obviously true sometimes. First hand experience, most of the research and work was done by people who were interested in the field and money was not a motication. A lot of this research is cheap-ish to do, our weather ballooing over the past two decades runs about ~4k-10k a semester budget for materials (basically nothing).
cool biography bro, could you link me to your tumblr page so I can read more?
>>57243903
Don't forget the number one example of the method to make money scamming the "global warming" faithful:
Solyndra
>Solyndra executives lied to DOE officials to get loans
http://arstechnica.com/science/2015/08/new-report-solyndra-executives-lied-to-doe-officials-to-get-loans/
>>57243479
Welp, that's why 2015 is not only the hottest year on record but also one of the wettest.
Excellent point, anon!
Maybe I would believe them if they published their data
>>57244549
Exactly. H20 is 1000x more efficient at heat retention than CO2.
Also, remember that accurate temperature records were only collected on a wide scale in the late 1800's, and systematic study only began in the second half of the 2oth century- right when clean air legislation started preventing soot and smoke from being released into our air. Soot and Smoke shield solar radiation, cooling the lower atmosphere.
>>57230885
>climategate was 5 years ago
>climate change faggots still have the balls to show their faces and try and pedal their bullshit
You people disgust me
>>57244549
>hottest years on record
Every single antarctic and polar ice core we have ever retrieved says you have no idea what you're talking about lad.
>>57232174
Christian Here, what the actual fuck are you talking about. I and everyone I know loves the idea of clean and well maintained nuclear energy.
>>57244863
He obviously means recorded by thermometer.
>>57238824
>There is so much to gain from switching to renewable energy sources and very little to lose
And this is how i know you are a technical illiterate.
>>57242883
>>We cannot power the modern world with solar and wind. Period.
>Incorrect, we can.
What is: BASE LOAD POWER?
>>Aside from the expense
>Free energy from the sun? Free energy the Earth's rotation? Are you an idiot?
Solar panels are free? Windmills are free? Are you an idiot?
>Renewable energy is the most cost effective over whole of life projections.
Not even close.
>Yes they can. The sun is always shining somewhere,
Transmission lines won't carry power across the fucking oceans there slick. What do you do for power at midnight?
>the wind is always blowing somewhere.
Solar at least has the theoretical potential to meet our energy demands given the amount of sunlight that baths the Earth. Wind is shit and won't power your mom's dildo.
Protip: most people aren't going to pay for your pipe dreams because "muh global warming scare tactics!"
>>57244697
Well why do you think the oceans were warmer this year compared to previous years. Is it possible increased CO2 levels raised the temp slightly thus heating the oceans slightly warmer than usual, thus increasing water vapor in the atmosphere.
>>57244988
A) Crowning a year "hottest on record" based on just over a century of records is cherry picking.
B) He's probably claiming this based on NASA GISS surface data which is highly manipulated shit.
>>57245318
Solar power output is variable. We know this, even from sunspot records, etc. Yet models always assume the sun's output is constant.
>Is it possible increased CO2 levels raised the temp slightly thus heating the oceans slightly warmer than usual, thus increasing water vapor in the atmosphere.
You're fitting facts to theory, instead of theory to facts as you should be.
>>57245213
As someone who believes that depleted resources typically lead to war or violent conflicts and mass immigrations, I stand by that statement.
>>57230885
There is literally no evidence the human race is going to cause the earth to die. The human race will kill itself before anything happens. High population densities are literally the cancer of the world. it will give you cancer and aids , women's studies , lgbt activists , furries , pedos , etc.
Cottage life will remind you nature exists outside the cancer. The only way to kill it is to let it grow until it dies , since we couldn't fix it.
one day the degeneracy wins and degenerates rejoice , the next , they all die of lung cancer and wonder why , while inhaling the combined exhaust cloud made by you and your 7.188 million neighbors.
The sad thing is we depend on cancer. Reaching automation before china kills over should be our priority , but we're fighting our own strain of cancer.
>>57230885
Save the planet. Kill yourself, faggot.
>>57245555
>believes
Waste of quads.
>>57245501
No I'm asking you if that's so hard to believe because it is exactly what NASA's models predicted. You see it as theory I see it as probable evidence.
>>57234296
They are going to hell by their own choices, remember there are no innocence in hell and all that is recurred for salvation is to accept Jesus into your heart.
>>57230885
By combating climate change, we also combat terrorism. The CIA told us in the 70s that terrorism would rise as a result of "global cooling". Obama now tells us that climate change creates a rise in terrorism. These Jihadis are just too warm, or cold. They're uncomfortable in this unpredictable climate and thus desire to institute a global caliphate.
>>57230885
Yes m8, fuck human advancement we are meant to all slowly die on this rock once it exploded there is no point in trying to move to other planets, but all that's ok at least the fucking cows and trees are happy
>>57233949
Totally agree on the pollution point. However, you are delusional in regards to pesticides.
>>57237315
Holy shit you are ignorant. Learn2chemistry
I dont give a fuck about climate change, sure I think of it time to time, but i know that I wont be affected by it in my life time. If i get offspring it will be their problem and not mine, nor anyone's else. I was born in a shit world and so was everyone else, you make the best out of what your environment gives you. Conclusion, we fucked our world and can not turn the tides back and our later generations will suffer because of our actions. We are born to suffer and fight, fight for our right to live, and so will our children.
>>57230885
They're going extinct because of pollution, not because of climate change.
>>57232246
So, pre tell, who caused the five preceding mass extinctions?
>>57230885
I don't deny anything, I simply don't care.
>>57240082
its caused by acidity in the water with is caused by pollution mainly c02.
>>57240565
Okay, even if you dont agree with climate change, you still have to agree that our fuels that run the world are gonna run out. Nothing last forever, and to say it will is just plan maddening
>>57230885
> Uses energy, destroys world for internet access
> Condemns strangers for using energy
>>57231761
Should I become a physicist?
t: studying math and physics in evening high school because I didn't want to become a translator / general humanist
>>57231761
>This sort of person has an influence on the future of humanity
>>57241695
what over population problem? since when is that anything but an unfounded fear based on nothing?
Wow OP you took the feels right out of my soul. And now I am going to feel like a bad person every time I wipe my ass with tp instead of seashellls.
>>57230885
ww3 incoming. climate change would be a threat if you had time but you don't, so it's moot
>>57253246
Blame unchecked capitalism. As long as people prioritize their paper bananas over all else, we will never evolve past fossil fuel cars, bottled water and muh nuclear normie family.
>>57254785
Why would anyone consider 7 billion needy, wasteful as hell, shitting 2 tons a year, human beings, as "Not that much really, there's still room in North Australia!"
Fuck outta here
>>57231061
Amen
>>57230885
>As a wildlife biologist, fuck all of you. I have to watch hundreds of species go extinct or become threatened
literally evolution
>>57230885
Hate to break it to you pal, but climates have been changing since the creation of the Earth. Ever heard of ice ages? Species go extinct all the time. Granted at a higher rate with a human populace, but that's how ecosystems work. Introduction of a new alpha species in an ecosystem means everything's affected. Now go buy yourself some Obama endorsed solar panels and help out his stock portfolio.
>>57237906
Australians are the worst at any meaningful discussion.
Always taking the piss, never addressing the topic, employing million types of straw men and just being rude.
Please go to another thread.
>>57230885
Go back to drinking your bleach, you fucking bitch!
You are a wild life biologist, not an environmental scientist.
God damned libtard koolaid drinkers.
>>57231061
This right here is the whole problem. Fucking religious shits ruining everything for everyone. Seriously, if you fucks aren't strapping bombs to your chest you are praying for everyone else to die so you can go to heaven in the rapture. Fuck you.
>>57257731
Could you tip your fedora any harder?
Climate change is driven by land use changes and natural climactic cycles interacting with each other.
CO2 concentrations have historically lagged behind increases in global temperature,
That is all.
People like OP love their straw man of "Climate change deniers" because it's so easy to bat down.
I don't deny that the climate changes, I just dispute the cause and severity.
>>57233532
This right here. A return to lifelessness on this planet is actually a return to normalcy. Life is a failed experiment and the fact that you fuckers are denying our own suicide all the way down is just proof that we should never have existed in the first place. The universe will be better off without the cancer of humanity.
>>57233645
You are too stupid to be using up my oxygen. Weather and climate are two different things you fucking mongoloid.
>>57230885
Why are you using a computer? It runs off of electricity created by fossil fuels. You are part of the problem.
>>57233949
The point you all are missing is that humans are a cancer. We are poison. We are made to destroy. We take the earth and turn it into buildings. We take the water and fill it with chemicals. Everything we touch turns to filth and decay. People act like "if we could just reconnect with nature we'd be okay and everything would be wonderful" but the sad fact is that to be human is to consume and destroy. We are a plague on the earth.
>>57234236
>we should preserve every single one possible.
Fucking why? If they're not fit for survival they should die. That's how it is supposed to work. Keeping the weak on life support just makes life shittier for everyone else.
>>57236808
Amen, brother. Let's watch this fucking ship sink while the band plays.
>>57258263
Life has existed on earth for about as long as earth existed without life. Its not really accurate to say that a return to lifelessness is a return to normalcy.
A world without humans would be normalcy, but life in general is involved in the regulation and interdependence of the earth's carbon, water and nitrogen cycles, as well as reducing erosion and driving other geographical changes.
>>57257504
>says the australian
>>57257836
Religion causes all of the problems in the world. Go suck the cock of whatever middle eastern prophet you pray to and leave the intelligent people alone to solve problems like climate change.
>>57258789
Lack of biodiversity weakens the ecosystem and can lead to catastrophic die-offs if there's a plague or rapid environmental change. Think irish potato famine but on a global scale.
>>57230885
>Fuck anyone on this board who is a climate change denier and fuck anyone on the planet who is a climate change denier.
FUCK YOU SACK OF SHIT AND YOUR LUST OF CARBON TAXES.
>>57259265
Fair point. I guess my point is that the earth would be fine without life. None of the other planets in our solar system are suffering because they don't have it. As far as we can tell, life is a freak accident and the universe will just keep on going after we're gone.
>>57232125
More edges than bismuth.
>>57259477
For the record, I'm actually on your side and want to keep every species possible alive and well. I'm just playing devil's advocate.
As long as humans are doing well, what does it matter what the rest of life on earth is doing? We're all playing for the home team. If we can succeed at the cost of every other species failing, isn't it our evolutionary right to do so?
>>57230885
>As a wildlife biologist, fuck all of you. I have to watch hundreds of species go extinct or become threatened or endangered because of poor stewardship to the Earth by all of you ignorant keks.
So the 98% of wildlife that went extinct before humans even evolved, let alone discovered industry... we are responsible for them too, right?
>>57237826
There are billions if not trillions of different species on Earth.
Yes it's very easily possible to see about 100 die off in a life of study of species.
>extinct species
who cares, lol
adapt or die out
And in general I don't give a shit about climate change. I'll be dead before it matters. Don't have kids.
>>57259445
I would say half the problems, how can you account for India and China? That's more eastern philosophy, not the hierarchical structure and malevolence found in the western Abrahamic cults. They are swimming in a deeper pool of fecal filth than the west today, perhaps they can somehow be the solution to the western ills?
India recycles the planets garbage without complaint, chinkdumb produces the planets plastic trinkets without complaint. We need to work from this angle I think, sacrifice the heathens to save ourselves, God wills it.
>>57232826
Do you honestly think energy consumption will not increase drastically in the next couple decades in Africa and India?
Are you dense?
>>57259635
Well, obviously the planet will be fine with or without life, but most people place some value on life on Earth, even more for the fact that life may be a freak event that is incredibly rare or even unique in the universe.
Even if life is found elsewhere in the universe, life of our complexity/intelligence is likely to be incalculably rare.
If clinate change is real why are the scientists and fear mongerers always wrong?
>>57249078
Holy fucking crap you are retarded. Learn to percentages.
Global CO2 increased from a claimed pre-industrial level of 2ppm to 4ppm.
0.000002 to 0.000004
It is an insignificant amount.
>>57253132
No, it is not.
>>57253246
Uranium and Thorium can supply all projected electricity needs for humanity for the next 10,000 years. Up to 100,000 years if we use breeder reactors carefully and recycle nuclear waste.
More than enough time for someone to sort out fusion power.
>>57260694
dude that's double
>>57230885
I hear a lot of people going on about climate change and the loss of nature, but these people all seem to support mass immigration from massive areas like Africa and Asia into Europe. What do you think is happening to hundreds of native species around Europe right now as we concrete over our fields and chop down our woodland to build houses for the massive waves of people your Leftie mates and their paymasters are forcing us to accept? Do you think these people will all live in eco mudhuts built out of cowshit and not use electric either? Do you think they won't start consuming on the scale Europeans do? Over development seems a more immediate threat to the nature around here than anything else.
>>57256926
Google "peak child"- we've already reached that. Human population will reach a sustainable maximum of 10 Billion by 2100 at the latest, then decline to an unknown level.
Overpopulation is a non-issue. Period.
>climate change denier.
This is sounding strangely cultist now.
>>57230885
Eat shit. We shouldn't have to roll over and have liberal faggots rob us blind just because you're a little faggot who never outgrew his fascination with animals.
>>57257504
Did you forget to change your proxy?
Wikipedia is utterly shit as a reference if you are discussing anything even slightly controversial. Just look at the debacle over their page on "Cultural Marxism", which was repeatedly edited and even deleted by people who defined themselves as Communist.
>>57257731
>>57259445
>religion causes all problems
Nice fedora m8.
>>57258263
>>57258554
>>57258789
>>57259635
If you really hate humanity that much, feel free to kill yourself. I suggest suicide by cop.
your reptile overlords will be very happy with the new conditions
>>57260764
If you get paid 0.02 a day, and I double it to 0.04 a day, it's still not enough to buy a sandwich, and you're gonna starve anyway.
Same for the atmospheric CO2. It may be double the amount there was 200 years ago, but on geological timescales, not only is that a tiny change, but is irrelevant.
Im amused by few things.
First, all these religious stupid fucks who go by the ''God said we could use it up line'', Well, yeah, he said to use what we NEED, not to destroy his creation
>t. Religious Orthodox Christian
Then the white nationalists, who forgot that one of NatSoc parties main ideals were to preserve nature, animal rights, lowering pollution and keeping the ecosystem safe.
ONE. BIG. FUCK. YOU.
>>57231061
Did you speak to him?
>>57261927
Yes. I agree with your post. We are supposed to be Shepard's of the world but I'm not going to pretend we can unfuck our situation from this point on.
>>57260773
It's what happens when the Papacy and UN are in charge. The churches stock and trade is misery, poverty and holy war. The UN is the iron hand in the velvet glove.
>>57260775
Google peak oil, we've already reached that. The unknown level is probably about 1 billion without fossil fuels. I think in a way over population is a non issue since we are already in overshoot, throw in the dogma, ignorance and banning of birth control - abortions in the third world, mass migrations...nature will sort out most of the problems, not man Gods.
but what's wrong with species going extinct specifically
it's not like we're wiping out all life
>>57262132
>peak oil
Nuclear>>>fossil fuels
Fossil fuels are better used as lubricants and plastic feedstock.
We are not in overshoot nor would we be even with 10,000,000,000 people, but the longer we keep screwing around with "green" energy, the closer we come to it.
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