This makes absolutely no fucking sense.
>>56824945
bill nye the science goy would disagree with you on that. Obviously humanity is different bi-pedal humanoids evolving in different areas and then meeting up later on as they evolved more.. many sub-species
inb4
> muh clines
> muh from africa
> muh bottleneck
> muh colonialism
> muh social construct
> muh geographical determinism
> muh donkeys
>>56825151
Literally the left makes the same arguments against human evolution as the right makes against evolution in general.
>>56824945
![BILL2[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/r7psNya.jpg "BILL2[1].jpg")
>>56825151
Bill Nye isn't even a scientist at this point.
Nothing that liberal sjws believe in makes any sense.
Doesn't stop them repeating the same one-liners over and over until people believe them.
>>56824945
So youre saying that 30000 years of natural selection and phenotypical change is the same as selective breeding of specific traits you want in your dog?
Interesting. Im gonna go on a limb here and say that you dont have a B.Sc..
>>56824945
wolves and dogs arent a different species. theyre both canis lupus
>>56824945
We can interbreed and produce viable offspring. That's the definition, that's how it works.
If you wanted to call them a separate breed, though, I wouldn't stop you.
I mean a Border Collie and a Pug are certainly different tiers of canis familiaris.
>>56825426
What the fuck is a "Big Think Expert"??? These assholes make up titles on the spot and idiots buy into this bullshit.
>>56825518
>We can interbreed and produce viable offspring. That's the definition, that's how it works.
Err... with respect to a single species concept, yes. There are many.
That said, by nearly any of them, humans are a single species.
>>56824945
>Wolfs = Humans
?????????????????????????????
>>56825604
>What the fuck is a "Big Think Expert"?
read "what you goyims should believe expert"
>>56825518
>viable offspring
>viable
ayyyyyy
>>56825687
read my fucking post you dumb potato nigger
>>56825426
He's an engineer. I double majored in bio and in engineering. Not a bioengineer, they're useless.
What I found when taking engineering classes is engineers think they are masters of all science. Not as bad as physicists, but still annoying.
Biologists tend to be keks, fags, and sluts. It's the humanities of sciences.
My dad told me about when he worked at the IRS that engineers were the hardest to work with because they would invent laws they felt were more efficient and then argue with my dad about them.
Bill thinks he can make inferences in a field he is not trained in, which is common with engineers.
>>56824945
You should know by now the scientific is full of bias and personal/political opinion passed off as "fact"
>>56825991
a horse can fuck a donkey and make a mule. mules aren't viable, so a horse and a donkey aren't the same species
>>56824945
Yeah I was watching some documentary on killer whales the other night. And they were discussing the idea that there were many different species of killer whales, and the criteria for them being different species was often really minor shit, like their markings, different average sizes, minor differences in fin shape etc.
If that's a different species then surely the different races are different species too. I don't believe that though, race, breeds, species is all just a continuum, its arbitrary to say where species start and end.
>>56824945
Of course it doesn't make sense to you, urban monkey. You don't have schools in that shithole. Use your computer to do research instead of shitposting.
>>56825518
Two individuals can breed as long as they belong to the same genus, they do not necessarily have to belong to the same species.
True scientists have already proven that different races of humans are in fact subspecies to each other.
Have fun finding it though. The PC bullies have buried the studies.
>>56826273
>humans are in fact subspecies to each other.
Does it really matter to you?
Any two individuals that can produce fertile offspring are of the same species.
All those descended from the same individual are of the same genus.
Other classifications are incredibly subjective, especially 'subspecies'.
Also, where on Earth did humans /not/ develop greater sophistication in their exploitation of their environment and the organization of their societies? Tasmania. And nowhere else.
>>56826273
what's the difference between sbspecies and races?
>>56826533
the word "race" doesn't really belong in science
Why do people have no problem using rottweilers to protect their assets that were bred for a specific purpose, but ignore the benefits of applying eugenics to people? We do it to dogs but cant do it to ourselves?
http://edge.org/conversation/rethinking-out-of-africa
>[CHRISTOPHER STRINGER:] At the moment, I'm looking again at the whole question of a recent African origin for modern humans—the leading idea over the last 20 years. This argues that we had a recent African origin, that we came out of Africa, and that we replaced all of the other human forms that were outside of Africa. But we're having to re-evaluate that now because genetic data suggest that the modern humans who came out of Africa about 60,000 years ago probably interbred with Neanderthals, first of all, and then some of them later on interbred with another group of people called the Denisovans, over in south eastern Asia.
>If this is so, then we are not purely of recent African origin. We're mostly of recent African origin, but there was contact with these other so-called species. We're having to re-evaluate the Out-of-Africa theory, and we're having to re-evaluate the species concepts we apply, because in one view of thinking, species should be self-contained units. They don't interbreed with other species. However, for me, the whole idea of Neanderthals as a different species is really a recognition of their separate evolutionary history—the fact that we can show that they evolved through time in a particular direction, distinct from modern humans, and they separated maybe 400,000 years ago from our lineage. And morphologically we can distinguish a relatively complete Neanderthal fossil from any recent human.
What the fuck does this mean /pol/
>>56826533
Subspecies is the more accurate biological term. Race is the colloquial term for subspecies.
>>56826691
>>56826765
thanks guys
>>56826719
because humans are not dogs
although I don't mean I'm against eugenics,the whole "animals do it"/ "we do it to animals" is ridiculous
we eat animals, that doesn't mean we can eat humans,
some animals eat their shit that doesn't mean we can too
>>56826719
So how do you do it?
First you need the police state that can control reproduction. If they can't control reproduction entirely, they'll be bred out by people trying to select better mates for themselves, rather than being forced into a situation that is bad for them but somehow good for society overall.
Then you need the same regime with the same goals to exist for, say, ten human generations; let's be generous and say this is just a hundred years. If the regime changes eugenics goals in this time, then all earlier work is wasted, so this has to be a preternaturally stable regime.
And they have to actually know what to select for. If their goal is just 'better', does that mean to you what it means to the kind of regime that would create a police state? They'd want obedient people, not effective people, is this better? And what dead-ends and blind alleys are they going down? When they select for higher intelligence, could you produce a stable increase in only ten generations? Maybe you've been selecting for a particular kind of intelligence and /against/ another kind?
People already try to select the best mate. Genetic modification allows parents to select for the best children, without requiring a police state to enforce it on them.
>>56826765
Define subspecies?
>>56827356
thats an incorrect attack on the argument
the OP is saying "you're racist when you choose an animals subspecies to do a task. yet claim humans don't have subspecies classifications because... feels"
>>56826120
MechE here
That's a disturbingly accurate diagnosis
>>56827640
>We do it to dogs but cant do it to ourselves?
I was alking mostly about this part, but maybe I misunderstood it
>you're racist when you choose an animals subspecies to do a task. yet claim humans don't have subspecies classifications because... feels"
well if that what he meant then yeah
>>56827356
He's not saying that because dogs can be bred to be bigger and smaller, humans can as well.
Any animal can be bred intelligently to push any phenotype in an extreme direction,This is already backed up by swathes of experimental and natural evidence.
The guy you replied to is saying that people who accept the suitability of different cultivars of dog for specialised applications and abilities are being blind or hypocritical by dismissing/disregarding the existence of human cultivars.
>>56826726
Dindus dindued in Africa
Then some more ambitous dindus dindued out of africa and dindued those post-dindues that had evolved seperately and were inhabiting Europe
So in the end, the dindus that stayed in Africa are todays Dindu Nuffins, while Europe and Asia were populated with some mix of Neanderthals and ex-dindus
>>56828884
>dindu nuffin in Africa
>no agriculture in 3000 BC
>agriculture in 1000 BC
>no iron in 2000 BC
>iron in 1 BC
>>56824945
DOGS AND WOLVES ARE THE SAME FUCKING SPECIES YOU RETARD
IN FACT CHIHUAHUAS AND GERMAN SHEPHERDS ARE THE SAME SUBSPECIES
>>56826427
>who cares if you're throwing away your bloodline mud people r hot.
>>56825518
Race is just breed applied to humans. They mean the same thing.
>>56829958
>>56825390
It's sad actually, some will actually fail for OP's b8 and they will use the argument in real life.
>>56830082
>mud people r hot.
mud women are sexy as hell, though.
>>56831223
if you're non-white or white who is fucked in the head.
if you're white you are apart of the race with undeniably hottest women in the entire world. every non-white race of men drool over our women. why do you think every single piece of kekold material is a why woman? because if the women is shit there is nothing of value being lost. even black men openly talk about how their own women are too fucking gross for them and how they constantly aspire to get with a white women.
>>56831644
line 3
*white women
Those two canines are the same species, retard.
>>56826508
Define crossbreeding, hybridization, moron.
>>56825426
He's technically right about "race" but you have to be naïve as fuck not to see what people use the word race to describe in humans
>>56831644
>even black men openly talk about how their own women are too fucking gross for them and how they constantly aspire to get with a white women.
More for me.
:)
>>56829958
Chihuahuas and German Shepherds can't breed.
The penis is either too large or too small.
>>56825426
>"Big Think Expert"
>>56833912
GODDDAMMNN
"A species is often defined as the largest group of organisms where two hybrids are capable of reproducing fertile offspring, typically using sexual reproduction."
Nice try using an abo tho, cause they are shaped that way because they do not use tool. Instead they use their teeth as a tool to crush, bend, sharpen, and cut things. Years of this at a young age leads to an elongated jaw.
<super model abo btw.
>>56834851
Oops familia
>>56834906
>Ashley Peachey
>of Aboriginal and Dutch heritage
ok famalamadingdong
>>56833912
I'd cream that niggers asshole.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnywuqtnzh4
What the FUCK
>>56824945
Same species different race/breed, a Rottweiler and a pug is the same species but different breed/race.
>>56835030
Anybody who wouldn't is a homosexual.
>>56834906
50% abo at most. check the eyes
>>56831948
>Those two canines are the same species, retard.
He's talking about sub-species
uh, aren't dogs different breeds? Like they are the same species and can interbreed together quite easily. but there are still very different breeds based off of their genotypes and phenotypes.
Thus there is only (currently) one "human species" but many different breeds with various observable differences. Race is interchangeable with the word "breed" because I guess calling a human child a crossbreed is rude but multiracial is perfectly acceptable.... I don't get it myself.
>>56835030
fuck off race traitor
>>56824945
you're an idiot, op
i feel bad for your parents.
you belong in a zoo
>>56833912
fucking kek
>>56837034
Dogs and wolves are different species
>>56825426
He either didn't say that, or he's a bigger kek than I thought.
But he colludes with Neil Degrass Knownothing so he's probably just as ignorant.
>>56824945
It makes no sense because you're an idiot.
>>56833912
Honestly I am disgusted by 97% of black women but there's that 3% that make my genitals go fucking crazy.
>>56837257
no they aren't. They are distant relatives but both are of the canis lupus species.
>>56837257
No they aren't. The domesticated dog is the same species as the grey wolf, Canis lupus.
>>56824945
What a surprise, racists can't into science.
>>56824945
Those dogs aren't even close to different species you fucking Retard
>>56837635
>>56837647
He's right. They don't produce fertile offspring, so by definition are not the same species.
>>56825839
>niggers = humans
?????????????
>>56825426
Nye never was a scientist, he just played one on TV. Unfortunately, people can't tell the difference anymore.
Humans and dogs can be considered part of the same species given that their evolution was influenced by each other.
>>56833912
Who is this
Semen Demon
Jizz Genie
Baby Batter Bringer
Cum Caresser
Lovegoo Lass
Sperm Summoner
Ejaculate Empress
Mayonnaise Maiden
Jizz Jockey
Spunk Monk
Sperm Worm
Sodomy Sentinel
Penile Perpetrator
Erection Confection
Salami Tsunami
Boner Condoner
Fluid Druid
Urethral Umpire
Wang Wizard
Knackers Knight
Prick Pirate
Dong Dominator
Cock Khan
Stiffy Sultan
Sausage Sergeant
Middle Leg Major
Pole Privateer
Shaft Specialist
Pecker Prodigy
Boner Benefactor
Baloney Poney Behemoth
Dick Juice Masseuse
Tallywhacker Smacker
Man Muscle Steam Shovel
Baby Batter Bladder
Willy Ghillie
Butt Hut
Glans Fans
Spooge Scrooge
Ejaculate Advocate
Skeet Treat
Wang Wrangler
Jism Prism
Smegma Savant
Anal Aficionado
Testicular Temptress
Spunk Trunk
Nut Slut
Cum Chum
Testicle Vestibule
Dick Duchess
Cock Sock
Testicle Tamer
Cock Clairvoyant
Scrotum Totem
Mattress Actress
Prostate Magistrate
Penis Machinist
>>56824945
The idea of species is autistic when looking at creatures that closely related. The geographic barrier would make the abos a different species I suppose but eventually if they interbreed with us what's to say we're not the same?
>>56825501
Don't try to confuse OP with facts. I'm guessing it will give him a headache.
>>56824945
Wolves and dogs are the same species
>>56838731
It's considered the same species if they can produce fertile offspring
>>56826120
Engineer here.
Every.
Fucking.
Person.
I work with.
I'm seriously gonna bring a gun to work soon. I'm so fucking tired of engineers acting like they know anything about the economy, or chemistry, or fucking ANYTHING outside of their field.
Engineers are literally the worst fucking people. I know even I have a tendency to be a little bit of a know-it-all, but I really try to police myself.
>>56826120
Physicists are actually masters of science though.
>>56824945
Humans are not animals
>>56839511
>>56837034
Breeds develop under controlled conditions by humans, so they can't really be compared to human ethnicities.
Human beings are all one species- but the different races are different "breeds" or "populations"
We already have terms in biology for mixing breeds: cross breeding, outbreeding depression, hybrid vigor, etc.
We also already have documentation of a outbreeding depression by crossing human breeds. Eurasians are more likely to have mental illnesses than their purebred cousins (aka supreme gentlemen)
Any dog breed catalog worth its salt identifies different personality traits among the breeds, to tell you practical information eg Rottweilers might not be the best choice if you have young children, etc. I don't see why we can't do the same with humans
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outbreeding_depression
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterosis
http://news.ucdavis.edu/search/news_detail.lasso?id=8732
http://dogtime.com/dog-breeds
>>56824945
(Some) Human were genetically engineered by ancient alien visitors (gods), hence the wide differences within the same specie.
>>56824945
I don't understand what it means with different species.
is one of the wolves on the top picture not a wolf?
doesn't look like a bird to me.
they both canines right?
>>56838054
Thats not a dog, thats a wolf!
>>56831644
Black men have shit taste and go after 300 pound fat pigs with dyed hair
>wanting to have the same taste in women as nogs
The person that made this is really dumb
>>56841933
Wasn't eugenics a massive failure? Correct me if I'm wrong. Something about man constantly interfering with the natural order makes me sick to my stomach.
>>56842220
same species
>>56824945
The one on the upper right is Canis Lupus, a wolf. Upper left is Canis Lupus Domesticus (or Familiaris, whatever float your boat), a SUBspecies of wolf.
Lower left is Homo Sapiens Sapiens, basic human. Lower right looks like Homo Abilis or Herectus. Same genus but different species.
There, it's simple.
>>56824945
Dogs and wolves are the same species, they are genetically similar enough that if they mate the offspring are fertile.
Unlike say, a horse and a donkey, who mate and produce sterile mules. The offspring of a abbo and any other human will produce fertile offspring.
>>56843376
Wolves and dogs have genetic distance you retard.
>>56843177
>Homo Abilis
>Homo Herectus
>>56842220
I swear to fucking god, Huey.
>>56843414
Domestic dogs are a subspecies of grey wolf
fun fact:
no one knows what the fuck constitutes a "species."
it's basically the biggest problems in taxonomy.
>>56843478
Yes genetic distance.
>>56843415
What are you trying to say by that ?
>>56843652
It's Homo Habilis and Erectus. Not sure why you moved the H
>>56843491
species is the only one of the "ranks" that has at least something resembling a consistent definition: the ability to make fertile offspring
there are some gray areas and ambiguities but it makes more sense than everything else in taxonomy
>>56824945
Not only the same species, but hurr durr we r all 1 race teh human race XD
My anthro professor tried arguing that race doesn't exist the other day. He brought up various examples about features shared between races and blatantly ignored any differences between them (we wouldn't have divided people into races otherwise). Then he still argued that racism was still a thing.
>>56843414
>>56843554
Der hurrrr, but they still produce fertile offspring...
take the rusty shank out of your ass, do they have biology 101 on that stinking island?
>>56843736
Shit, you're right. Apologies.
Still, you could cut me some slack, it's almost 5am after all, a bit late for latin and shit.
>>56843853
Neanderthals and Humans made fertile offspring.
>>56843914
And Humans and chimpanzees don't, your point?
>>56844028
>Humans and Chimpanzees
No when did that happen?
>>56843914
source
Hybrid offspring has been confirmed but there is no evidence that I've seen that fertile offspring was produced.
>>56842712
When did I say we should have eugenics?
All I said was that we should be aware of behavioral differences that exist between human populations, the same way we did with dogs. (And individuals should consider breeding within their own race/ethnicity if they want to, but it shouldn't be imposed). Examples of some of these well know behavioral traits or "stereotypes": blacks tend to disregard the law more than others. Asians tend to be more collectivist. The Irish drink a lot, etc.
>>56830082
You dont have to breed everyone you fuck. Not that /pol/lacks have ever had sex.
>>56844100
Niggers are not Humanzees you moron.
>>56824945
>what is cherrypicking
>>56844976
I never said they were. I think you need better reading comprehension.
>>56844400
>positive eugenics
>>56833912
their pussy smells pretty bad tho
>>56825501
and yet Dogs (Canis lupus familiaris) and Coyotes (Canis latrans) are unarguably different species, yet they can mate, and their offspring are indeed fertile.
which tells me that our method of defining 'species' is arbitrary and subjective and not actual science.
With humans, defining their own species is more about muh feelings and muh not empowering racists than it is actual scientific classification.
>>56845198
If "positive eugenics" is just people making voluntary choices to not miscegenate, I don't see the problem
>>56845719
Coy-dogs are only fertile up to four generations and. This isn't unusual in cross-species hybrids (look at Panthera hybrids)
>>56824945
And the left says the right ignores science...
>>56845698
No it doesn't
>>56846001
lol, ok. Way to move the goalposts.
I could go find two more species that fits your new more stringent criteria, but fuck you, you do it.
>>56824945
It makes lots of sense.
Since dog and wolf are the same species also lol.
>>56846351
They literally aren't though. Nobody but a fucking Hungarian thinks of dogs and wolves as being the same species in any of the poor definitions of speciation.
>>56846564
>Lupus is not invalid by virtue of being pre-dated by a name based on a domestic form. Includes the domestic dog as a subspecies, with the dingo provisionally separate--artificial variants created by domestication and selective breeding
http://www.departments.bucknell.edu/biology/resources/msw3/browse.asp?id=14000738
Every single dog is the same subspecies. I doubt there's a jewish conspiracy going on
>>56848330
protip: there's only one dog in that picture.
>>56824945
I don't want to burst your bubble, but domestic dogs are a subspecies of wolf, so they really both belong to the same species.
>>56849345
How does that disprove my point, nigger
