Make it illegal to teach a child anything fictional and present true - make it child abuse.
If somebody poisons a young mind before they are 16 then they should be dealt with as a child abuser.
This way muslims will not let their children be brought up in the west, the immigrants will stop and we can also remove existing kebab with no real violence..
WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PLAN?
>>56822011
Requires big gummament.
>>56822011
serious question /pol/
>>56822080
requires serious answer
>>56822011
Let's face it christianity is now benign, and people use it only for hope and companionship - but islam... no!
This has to end.
People would choose Christianity given the choice
>>56822193
is that an aye aye?
or just a bunch of eyes?
>>56822011
It's all lies though not just religion. Everything is pure brainwashing and to learn how to be told what to do by mother hen authority figures. Until students leave and search out their own truths, expect brainwashing daily no matter what the curriculum subject to be.
>>56822011
i repeat:
WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PLAN?
>>56822421
yes but the truths you learn early are impossible to change.
once i was a libtard.
I'm still a nottingham forrest fan even though i have no fucking reason to be.
>>56822421
then guide
>>56822011
islam is bat shit evil
lets ban all religions
nigger please, there are good effects to christianity, like savingfor marriage, caring about community and family, anti- feminism(if you read it right)
>I should see my religion banned because mudfucks can't behave in christian countries
Fuck you. If anything your fedora is helping islam taking its roots here by fighting our historical christianity, root of belief of some of us, but also root of our values, culture, arts etc...
Atheists are the best ally of islam by undermining christianity.
>>56823042
Wow. If you need a religion to make you value marriage, care about your community and family, and disprove of corrupt social movements like Neo-Feminism, you're either highly retarded or highly retarded.
>>56822011
What the fuck is going on in this picture?
>>56823108
agreed, one of the aims of the frankfurt school was to undermine christianity, I wonder why they hated/feared it so
>>56823154
so you favor hedonism, and slutty behaviour, and no kids?
>>56823042
this has been proven false over and over in nature - learn more about monogamy in static colonies
>>56822011
MODS
Yeah children should decide what they will believe in.
>>56822011
What's wrong with that plan is that infringes personal freedoms, and will effect non-Muslim communities more.
Instead, cut refugee programs and welfare. Tighten immigration laws. Levy some taxes on private religious institutions that make large profits (pretty much just mosques).
>>56823108
I'm not Atheist, frankly, if you choose a religion, would you choose a nice lovey on or a hatey one.. it worx for christians
>>56822011
Good plan, the left would never let it pass though it's racist.
Only solution is convert all white people to Islam then they would be ok with that.
Remember if it benefits white people then liberals won't like it and will fight it.
>>56822011
>WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PLAN
Wouldn't it be easier for you to just step out of the closet ...?
>>56823164
muslim exorcism of child by mother
>>56823164
A young achmed is conquering mature pussy.
>>56822011
Anything fictional? What about English Literature class you fucking idiot?
>>56823362
>this has been proven false over and over
I don't have to provide a source, people must just take my claims at face value and believe them, because I am so enlightened
>>56823467
I didn't chose my religion, it's part of my culture. My parents are christian and I am too.
>>56823260
why follow a book you spaz, you know whats right and wrong.. ur conditioning is on display retard
>>56823366
nothing happening idiot shill!
>>56823260
You're implying that without religion there would only be "hedonism, and slutty behavior, and no kids?"This is a false dichotomy. Ill bet you think youre redpilled too, right? Dont make me kek.
protip: its too late. im already keking.
>pic related
>>56823164
Village Shaman exorsizing illness out of patient , these guys get beaten up regularly around here ...
>>56822011
What is truth?
>>56823622
in the animal kingdom stationary colonies tend towards monogamy. Its not christian - just read a book
>>56823742
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>>56823839
this isnt a metaphysics thread
>>56822011
Agreed. Kids should be taught basic philosophy instead.
>>56823963
kids should start with demonstrable truth that they understand.. dont fuck them up
1 cat + 1 cat is 2 cats
cats are animals theyre not spirits of past humans that were [insert bullshit]
>>56823212
Because it was founded by Jews, who hate Christianity, as it sprang forth specifically to call out the Jews on thousands of years of kikery.
>>56824084
No shes a pedophile so she can get turned on by having a kid's small dick in her.
>>56823954
You made it one. The issue is unavoidable if you plan to legislate religious inculcation.
>>56824180
+1 fuck the frankfurt school, the jews would hate this policy too. No fucking toraa til after you've grown out of harry potter
>>56824234
+1 islandbro
>>56822421
This, basically any subject that is given on school is used to brainwashed normies. Take history for example.
>>56823260
>implying religion will prevent those kind of things
Nigger pls
>>56823154
>Implying most people don't need that book.
Religion is good for controlling people and uniting them with a same goal. Sure one religious shouldn't be taught at school, ( many philosophies of different religions should) but that doesn't mean religion is bad, it keeps communities united.
this is why we need christianity
im an athiest myself, but religion is one the most effective ways of unifying a people and creating an us-vs-them mentality on a large scale.
>>56824288
no, i've made it clear, no false indoctrination of young kids, dont fuck them up - its child abuse.
Imagine if i taught a small island nation that all nightmare on elm st was historical and freddie kruger would kill them if they ever drank anything except sprite.. would b funny, but really fucked up
>>56824584
I agree with you. But consider that when we break down the basic teachings of any mainstream, sane religion, we arrive at the exact same teachings:
>Do good for others
>Be fair
>Dont hurt people
>Etc.
Those are all good teachings and religion can help teach them to people. However, just because a religion teaches these things does not make it good. If the religion also teaches bigotry, hatred for non-believers, murder or outsiders and etc., then the religion is not good. Such religions should be destroyed root and branch.
>>56824709
And also you are taught religion even within your family, do you want to take children away from their families?
>>56823722
kek away, I'll even check your dubs
will you admit that there used to be less slutting about, single motherdom, and more kids? and coincidentally this coincided, coincidentaly, with higer levels of christianinsanity?
>>56823860
a book
oh wow, thanks for you're genuine effort to enlighten me brah
>>56824180
yup, oven dodgers the lot of them
>>56824330
you defending jews, kikebro?
>>56824445
so they happened just as much in the past when we had more religion?
>>56824598
scaring kids to be good is better than letting them decide to be evil, yeah the clever ones will see through it, but hopefully appreciate that morals are still good even without a god
>>56824709
>no false indoctrination of young kids, dont fuck them up - its child abuse.
oh look, it's the fat, jewish, smoker and drinker, the Hitch, back from the dead, in OUR THREAD, OMG
is not letting KIDS do as they please child abuse too?
>>56824805
religion is a fucking narrative to explain what has been deduced as wise in the lack of proof.
we didnt know about genetics but we knew that god said dont fuck your sister
>>56822011
In my country we have a creed which goes like this. "Nothing is more important than:home country,religion,family". Guess what, things were pretty fucking awesome back when everyone followed that creed. Look at us now. Just fucking LOOK AT US NOW. Is this REALLY what you want?
You start ignoring your religion and soon your country will follow after that you'll hate everyone so much that you'll hate your family and then you'll end up being hated by everyone. This is why I hate anti religion (not atheists) people like you. At least a lot of atheists mind their own business but you? No you just HAVE to intervene with people's lives. What makes you so different from Hitler or stalin? They both wanted to change the way people live all for their personal beliefs.
>>56824879
no just dont fuck with youre kids, same as dont show them porn, its not the right thing to do
>>56824805
Sure I agree, some religions are bad by our moral standards. But still it plays important part in communities and keeps us distant from people who oppose our beliefs and want to enforce them on us.
>>56824918
> coincided, coincidentaly, with higer levels of christianinsanity?
No friend. Degeneracy occurs when a people are suffering. No one dreams of becoming a whore or a crack addict when they're kids. People become and do these things for a variety of reasons, especially social and economic hardship, as well as mental illness. Christianity and like religions are not a cure but only a temporary bandaid. People don't stop degeneracy because they genuinely want to change, but instead, they want to stop because theyre afraid of going to Hell if they dont. Christianity only attacks the symptom, but the cause[s] remains. By treating only the symptom, Christianity does more harm than good. Imagine if you were ill and went to the doctor and he merely treated your symptoms but did not address their actual cause? Eventually, you'd become even more sick.
>>56822011
Great idea until you realise this will make kids more indoctrinated. I get your point but...
>Your kids will be forced to accept the wage gap as true and if you try and educate them otherwise with facts, prepare to be a PEDOPHILE YOU RACIST SHITLORD.
I'm not even joking. No ideas should be suppressed, it always results in worse shit happening.
Careful what you wish for.
>>56825025
>>56825126
This.
>mfw people don't understand the spirit of the Prime Directive.
>mfw people don't think it aplies because "we're all human" and we're all from the same planet.
>>56824918
>>>56823860 (You)
>a book
fucks sake, ok:
very few animals are monog. generally stationary ones, beavers, pengiuns blah, some monkeys blah - signs are that we got monog when we formed tribes and had cultural structures - lots more here but thats the current consensus.
>>56825206
Right, because if you don't do crack and whore yourself for long enough you'll eventually explode with crack addiction.
>>56825080
Teaching children about morals and customs of their family is same as showing them 2 people fucking.
Alright then.
>>56824288
Do you mind if your girl is orgasming when you pound her if she's thinking about you or lexington steele ..?
>>56825336
The point im making here incase you did not get it is...
>The moment you start to allow the government to decide what is true and what is false by making it child abuse to have a differing opinion is the moment you are advocating for the government to have a monopoly on child abuse.
Those kids are going to learn something, now would you rather it be what's politically correct or what's an actual fact?
Because i can say with 100% certainty that if we followed OP's plan, it would not actually happen how he wants it. "Facts" would get changed to suit people's agenda and any chance at speaking out against them would be silenced.
They will just claim you are a racist to hate muslims and jail you if you try and educate your kids on the fact a religion can't be a race.
OP, grow up and deal with the fact kids will be indoctrinated and manipulated by someone. You have to be the one manipulating them for their own good, instead of passing off responsibility to someone else who might have a more nefarious agenda.
And this is coming from an athiest who hates religion. Your idea won't work because it can't take into account human nature.
>>56825463
Repression leads to huge problems in people. Don't you think there may be a real reason why so many Roman Catholic Priests are pedophiles when this problem doesnt seem to affect other branches of Christianity? You dont think that maybe...just maybe...by not being permitted to have any intimate contact with another human whatsoever, this repression of their basic human need results in the perversion of this need? Thus...the drive for natural human sex becomes perverse and pedophiliac. You dont think that hey...maybe thats a possibility? No one said anyone woul explode with crack addiction. However, if you take a crack addict and cure them of their desire for crack but dont address what actually caused them to start crack in the first place, they will eventually replace the crack with something else. Hence, Christianity treats the symptoms but not the cause, making it even more dangerous than the thing a person initially wanted to be delivered from. If you lack a basic understanding of psychological concepts, what are you doing trying to discuss psychology?
>>56825336
< the first considered response
don't you think it would be better though
I really don't want my kids to know about some useless shit that probably didnt even happen in the levant and be scared of it - equally, i dont want them surrounded by other kids who think theyre kuffar cos of some shit their degenerate parents soiled them with
>>56824234
Sorry meant to quote 'Bahama Mama'
>>56825822
Look, i 100% get what you're saying about islam and agree.
But you don't understand, it would not just be islam banned.
Anything that is not 100% conforming with political correctness would be banned.
That is a thousand times worse than letting the kids make their own minds up over time, with a gentle nudge.
You would get rid of religion but also get rid of any individuality and expression. You would literally fuck the future generation and give the SJW's a huge win. See >>56825785
>>56825590
I'm black, so no.
>>56822011
Forcing/raising children to believe is child abuse and should be banned
>>56825025
now denbts is YUUUGE
feeling it
>>56825080
don't teach that gay assturbation is good, especially at 5, ffs
>>56825206
you serious?
whore and crack smoker are your examples of hedonism? there are many more examples, such as being a slut, or rejecting your family, rejecting procreation, which are accepted as moral these days, without being a druggie or whore
they were't accepted under christianity
you become more sick? by savig yourself for marriage and having children?
do you think santa is evil too?
>>56825391
oh I SEEEE, if animals doit, it is moral and good? are you fucking serious? that is your standard, if animals do something it's ok?
>>56825796
>Don't you think there may be a real reason why so many Roman Catholic Priests are pedophiles
this is because marxists infiltrated the priesthood in order to bring them into disrepute
>>56826025
but islam is 100% in accordance with political correctness, only Christianity, Whites, Males, Cis, Hetero are against PC brah
>>56825506
in fact yes, it's a game of extreme narratives:
using religion to teach your kids morals is similar to using porn to teach them about how come/why they quite like hanging out with suzie at the end of the street
>>56826175
>there are many more examples
Ok. Then lets examine them, shall we? How about we start with the first example you gave.
>such as being a slut
What causes a person to become a slut?
>>56826175
You want this system to be enforced with "facts".
But there's very little that's a pure fact. Science is a fact, yes.
But what happens when your kid is told to shut the fuck up when he mentions the black kids in his school are more violent than the others.
They will indoctrinate him to think otherwise and you will get charged as an abuser if you try and back your child up for stating a scientific fact: nigs are predisposed to chimpouts
The system would never be based on facts, they would call your science about niggers chimping out "fiction" and then charge you.
>It gives them the power to call anything they don't like "fiction" and then arrest you for teaching it.
What you're advocating is straight out of 1984
Oh look! Reddit is trying to spread it's fedora tipping atheism to a Christian board! What a surprise!
>>56826412
lack of morals, belief in momentary pleasure over lasting purpose
>>56825785
Yes but I also think you're not taking into account that religion has always been used as tool of governments for control - My core point is: teach what is the fundamental truth, hard facts - as best we know. They can spiral into metaphysics when theyre adults and end up on 4chan if they like but at least theyre not FUNDAMENTALLY poisoned
>>56826469
nigger, I'm not saying we make Christianity the law of the land... I'm saying we teach children morals through parables and stuff, and shame those who go astray
science should still be taught as verifiable truth
black kids in school? why would we put up with that?
>>56826642
>belief in momentary pleasure over lasting purpose
What purpose and who gives us this purpose? For example...im one person out of billions. If I become a slut instead of a married person, who the hell really cares? If im failing my individual purpose, then what is it and who gave it to me?
>>56826723
I see your argumetn, and I'm not a believer, but weren't people less hedonistic and more moral when church wassomething most people went to?
>>56826794
your parents, relatives and community gave it to you
purpose? well making babies is our purpose, if you become a slut you risk disease and reduced value from relationships
>>56826175
I tried, you're a retard.
There's a whole bunch of bonafide scientists smarter than you who have challenged each others theories their whole lives to prove this but of course your religion is right.
-- check please
>>56827011
>your parents, relatives and community gave it to you
Who gave it to them?
>inb4 their parents relatives and community
Where does this purpose originate *exactly*? Because we can go back generations unto the beginning of time - it originates somewhere. So assuming we all have a purpose, where does it come from?
>well making babies is our purpose
So do you believe that people who can't make babies should not be permitted to have any sexual relations even if married?
>>56822011
the fuck did i just look at, and am i going to prison?
>>56822011
BAN SANTA
OP, you monster.
>>56826412
this is a whole other thread, I hope one of you will start it - theres an interesting correlation to oestrogen.
>>56826286
Hmmmm, just no, it isn't the same.
Teaching your 6 year old kid about how he should behave is not the same as telling him at this age how to have sex.
Even so, the kid (when he hits puberty) will eventually learn how to have sex with or without you. Maybe some of his classmates will tell him or he discovers it on the net. So infact teaching your kids about sex is not bad either.
So you're saying that raising your kids is a bad thing, we are supposed to just leave them secluded, shrouded in mystery and questions?
>>56822099
because its fucking retarded. religion makes babies, you idiot. why do you think you're dying demographically while the muslims are taking over? God, atheists are stupid as fuck
>>56826592
oh look, your deepsouth village just got interwebs
>>56827376
ALLAHU SNAK BAR
>>56827280
The point is there is always a reason for what people do. It doesnt matter how vile the act is, or how willful it appears to be. We are all slaves to our biology and brains. This is why addressing a person's actions, such as what Christianity does, is failure. The actions are not the problem, but instead, the cause of the actions are the problem.
>>56827120
maybe I am, but making a claim doesn't make it true
>bonafide
nigger please, much of science is a religion, how many theories have you replicated? but you still believe them? jesus
>>56827147
their parents
so you claim no purpose? do you think other animals have purpose? just not us?
is not the purpose of all life to replicate?
>So do you believe that people who can't make babies should not be permitted to have any sexual relations even if married?
why should I believe that? are you leading on to a gay marriage argument?
do you think all infertile people should fuck around ith 40 partners or still settle for one to build a stable relatinship?
>>56827251
yes
>>56827363
there does seem to be a correlation between no feminism, pro religion, and plenty babies
maybe they just want us to die out, they're just so cool that they want to die
>>56822011
It's overly ambiguous. What will constitute poisoning a young mind?
Social media propaganda?
Political ideologies?
Peer interests?
Advertisements?
How strictly are these addressed? What gets a free pass? If everything but religion, why is religious freedom to indoctrinate the only type of indoctrination that isn't allowed?
It just creates the kind of endless war on knowledge based on individual agendas. Our own media doesn't allign with science at the best of times and other times our own knowledge has information manipulation with leading conclusions that again poisons facts with fiction and people still eat it up like it's the only truth there is.
>>56827120
Other people try to make arguments.
Op: " you're retard' tips Fedora
>>56826592
this perfectly fits my tune playing
>>56827539
>so you claim no purpose? do you think other animals have purpose? just not us?
I didnt claim no purpose. I asked you where our purpose comes from, if you believe we have one :) Please dont twist conversations. Its rude and shows you feel insecure.
>is not the purpose of all life to replicate?
Do you believe that people who can't have children have no purpose in life?
>>56826883
honestly, i think thats just a narrative.
>>56827543
there is a war on for childrens minds though, already, and religion might provide some stability, something that is not based just on spending money, but giving purpose, even if they reject it...
I'm not religious, but I still remember the lesson on finding one woman to make a family with
>>56822011
>If somebody poisons a young mind before they are 16 then they should be dealt with as a child abuser.
This is what Christmas is, Santa Claus teaches children Atheism through classical conditioning.
Christians is the reason all these needle dicked atheist faggots can't help but have an atheist mindset, they've been conditioned to be atheists.
>>56826723
>teach what is the fundamental truth
There is no such thing, everything has a context that has been created and edited; simply providing information on one thing instead of another is an act of filtering that child's priorities for them, and that biases their understandings towards a certain way of perceiving things
I also agree that to teach a child is to inflict your personal empire onto them and it is a selfish obscenity to do that, and that to teach is tantamount to molestation, as an ideal. Pragmatically it is still a necessary thing to do, which will necessitate the usual human shortcuts due to limitations of time and energy available. The only justifiable way to live due to this, ideally, would be to not be exposed to the existence of anyone else, and to live in total isolation. Pragmatically that isn't possible, and so I'm stuck with a paradox that I have to live with. Those types of paradoxes are also a necessary result of human systems. I don't know where to go from there, so I'm stuck in analysis paralysis.
I think the key issue I have with religious indoctrination is the proselytizing imperative that is inherent to the dogma. I think like this; I do that because it seems best based on my understandings of things; my understanding of things must be sound; now others must learn of this true and just way of understanding things and abide by the same principles. That belief that you know better than others is key to teaching, and also key to religion; without it you have no justification to influence anyone else.
>>56827539
regardless of truth claims, religion propogates high birth rates. no self-aware white man should want an atheistic society, or he wants his own extinction.
the answer is not fedora-tipping, its crusading
>>56827819
>...
What can be said to be completely and objectively true? Philosophical axioms have all been subject to differences of opinion, and scientific and mathematical pursuits are biased in the sense that this particular method has been developed due to being practiced more due to the human social framework that decided it was valuable historically. That isn't to say that such things are without merit, but how can you be certain that other approaches would be a more worthwhile use of the limited human time and energy available? How can you be certain that one thing is to be prioritized over another, without spending an eternity out of time scrutinizing that one particular point in every possible way, to minimize the human bias? It is an impossible task, every second spent scrutinizing something creates more seconds that need scrutiny for human bias and failings to maintain their purity of truth. Truth can't be found by committee.
And OP, how can you tell anyone else how to do things, if the problem with religion is this proselytizing imperative? That is hypocritical, and a paradox.
>>56827669
so where do you think purpose comes from, and what is our purpose?
rude, on 4chan, nigger please
>Do you believe that people who can't have children have no purpose in life?
no, but they are robbed of their primary purpose
does that mean they should be ovened, not in my opinion, but the spartans used to regularly kill off their own for smaller reasons
>>56827712
I don't see this as an answer tomy question, could you elaborate me faggot?
>>56827819
fair comment syrupsucker
>>56822450
Nothing, religion is a cancer and we should wipe it the Fuck out
>>56827539
ok so: there are "hard" sciences and "soft" ones. the fact that you are typing on a computer across the web should really be enough proof of hard sciences.
sure political science is pretty soft, anthropology isnt quite as soft but its better harry potter, the quran or the bible.
>>56827539
>nigger please
ps. i'm not a 'nigger', i suspect you aren't an american hoodrat either.
>>56828147
lol, fedora-tipping neckbeard detected.
>>56827767
The problem with religion, specifically Abrahamic religions is that their text is ambiguous, supporting slavery, violence, rape, murder, ethnic cleansing, racial cleansing and taken seriously gears up the next generation of terrorists, fighting for a noble cause they've been indoctrinated in.
Religion worked when our groups were small and social cohesion existed as a result of unity but in a multicultural society, there is division because we're not all one religion, ethnicity or nation anymore and war for minds will become a war like the ones we're struggling with now.
>>56827791
What do you think religion is other than conditioning? I'm not asking about your specific 'truth', but why so many religions exist in the world and every one of them believes theirs if the 'truth'.
>>56828202
so you can prove quantum theory, or string theory, the big bang? even to your own satisfaction? or do you rely on authorities?
>>56828311
suspect away nigger
>>56828372
>we're not all one religion, ethnicity or nation anymore
because the jews changed our immigration policies and laws?
>>56827543
I actually spend 15 years working in advertising, not proud - definitely should be banned.
We'd spend $30k on research on kids fears and shortcomings before we came up with a strategy for an ad, very sad.
glad i'm out of it now
>>56827907
>so where do you think purpose comes from, and what is our purpose?
Thats what I asked you.
>>56827907
>no, but they are robbed of their primary purpose
So what is this primary purpose and where did it come from?
>>56828372
then the solution is to tear multicult society apart. in the words of Trump "DEPORT NOW!"
What's next? Burning books?
No religion should be taught in schools, however I think the creation or history of the religion should be taught. You know like Charlemagne converting Pagans (and burning those that didn't) which expanded Christianity and shit like that.
>>56823108
>Fuck you. If anything your crucifix is helping Christianity taking its rootshere by fighting our historical paganism.
You're just mad because that statement includes YOUR totally true religion. Religion of all kinds does more damage than good in modern day.
>>56822011
In public schools, children are literally taught "every bad thing in the world is because of white people".
Off the top of my head, the following are taught as objective facts
>Crusaders were corrupt and war criminals
>Global warming is happening and the world will implode in several decades if we don't stop it
>Native Americans were peaceful people
>Evolution as a law of nature
Now, while I do support evolution, it's still a theory. It's a theory with mountains of evidence, but teaching it as a law of nature is simply being untruthful. There is also very little room in the classroom for disputing these "facts". The teacher will immediately shut down students simply by reminding them that the teacher assigns their grades.
>>56828530
>Thats what I asked you.
I know, I gave my answer, then I asked for your opinion on the matter
>So what is this primary purpose and where did it come from?
replicating dna is the role of all life, as far as we can tell
answer my question
>>56828671
You didnt answer tho? I asked where our purpose came from.
>>56828487
No, because we let them.
>>56828522
Mind control starts with appealing to our base instincts and emotions, it's dangerous to think we subject our kids to this without regard for them at all. Though there's little we can do in a world where our communication devices advertise to us.
>>56828536
I don't disagree, but without political organisation of such a solution, it can't and won't happen.
>>56828654
https://soundcloud.com/assclowns-united/demon-nigger1
natives were fucking savages who would torture and cannibalize captives
global warming is panicking about the hottest year on record being 0.69 OF ONE degrees c hotter than the 20th century average
crusaders were responding to hundreds of years of aggression and SLAVE taking og over 1 million europeans by the savage mudslimes
yo probably know that shit, just couldn't resist, you triggered me
>>56828748
evading the question doesn't help your position, nigger
>>56828760
so all atheist are rich
>>56827973
lol, thanks for pulling me up:)
Personally I think that when people went to church it was just a social ritual, there was no tv, no social media and no telephone, there were other reasons, perhaps even to get laid - stats show that UK teens are having less sex now than any point since the 30s and that it was at a peak in the late 60s so if that chronology fits with youre halcyon period of prudence then thats the best answer i have.
>>56828892
When someone asks you a question, you answer. Then you ask something of them if you want. Its how a conversation works. I appreciate you telling me what you believe our purpose is, but you seem to be evading answering where our purpose ultimately comes from. When you answer this, I will happily answer your question.
>>56822011
Just ban religion, it's only a tool for psychopathic people to control masses
>>56828565
that's what I call replying offtopic
>he believes that you should take only 800 years of science for granted
kek
>>56829034
so are you saying that atheist are doing better than religious people
>>56822011
As long as they also stop teaching feminism to kids as well.
>It's all men's fault
>>56829034
because you need to be controlled. for fuck sake, look at what you've done since 'liberating' yourselves from state christianity.
Your children are faggots, your countries are full of dindus and muslims, and you think die-versity is good. Well done, secularfag
>>56828935
>stats show
could be right though, we certainly have a massive problem with divorce and single motherhood(aka taxpayer funded parenthood) with no father figure... then we wonder why kids are growing up to be druggies, hedonists and criminals
yeah, it was a ritual.. but it wasn't all bad. I spent my sundays in a church reading scifi books, but I do appreciate the architecture and the beaty of the chants/hymns, and I had more friends then than since
what do you think of this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4dT8FJ2GE0
>>56828980
so wierd, it's like you have no answer yourself.. we're all anon here, no one cares if yo umake a fool of yourself, or even admit you have no clue, let go of your ego and give your answer faggot(teehee, I called him a homo, did you see? haha, I know rite, no one cares)
>>56829034
ban christmas too?
>>56829310
children need to be controlled to not do bad things, and women of course
>>56825336
>implying feminism isn't also a religion
>>56829519
and PC in general
>>56829433
women and children are obvious. who the hell supports suffrage? nobody sane. but the Indians are actually right about caste. some men are better to rule than others.
>>56822011
The only thing you got wrong was not filling the gap with free market economics education.
>>56828487
theres a difference: science relies on total proof and in abundance, a single anomaly leaves it unproven.
Religion has no proof whatsoever - however, the more I learn abour science I have to say, the more religious I get.
There are things like the universal constant, trilateral theory and the seemingly infinate depth of quantum mechanics which seem like a lot more than just flukes
>>56829433
>it's like you have no answer yourself.
obvious troll is obvious
>>56829616
maybe e should go off IQ test or something, and maybe an ethical test
>>56829715
>theres a difference: science relies on total proof and in abundance,
yet you can't yourself prove the big bang, or quantum theory or string theory? you have to accept that trustworthy people have done it for you?
>Religion has no proof whatsoever
true, except it has worked to hold us together for thousands of years
are there any of our traditions that you think we should keep? or should we bin the lot?
>>56829754
were does our primary purpose originate?
my answer: from our ancestors
your answer:?
>>56829715
thats called teleology my friend. one of the reasons i abandoned atheism. its actually pretty exciting when you think about it. there is more when we die. I'm stoked
>>56828780
It's actually more than that sadly, most sectors and brands work on strategies rather than tactics which use many channels/angles and advocates to build upon a theme over years (the successful ones anyway) they create entire mindsets and adapt the planning a little every quarter based on results.
>>56830022
oh shit, an 'ethical' test. will David Cameron administer it to check im tolerant enough. HAHAHAHAHAH
>>56830087
have yo a better idea?
or just gonna dismiss anything anyone else comes up with?
personally I think we should go back to the magna carta, have you read it?:
http://www.pc4b.com/
>>56830028
wats dat?
btw, I decided I was a deist after reading the book of enki, from the sumarian tablets
>>56830257
Magna Carta is made out to be something its not by a lot of liberals. Now, I agree the king shouldn't have totally unlimited power, and should power-share with the priestly caste, the warrior caste, and the aristocratic landowners, but the whole 'constitution' business is a little jewy. This said obviously if given a choice between Magna Carta Britain or today's Britain, you go Magna Carta without a second thought.
>>56830441
you read it then?
>>56830441
nah, I can tell you haven't, or you would have said yes.. at least give article 61 a go matey
and join us in lawful rebellion
>>56829433
>what do you think of this?
quite cool, I probably wouldnt partake but i'd watch.
My dad is crazy religious and it helps him, same with others i know, I'm actually not a disbeliever but I don't really feel it on a day to day basis in any way - jury's out
>>56829678
still sad that milton friedman died before we could bury him :-)
>>56830700
the modern zeitgeist seems to be that we should through all of our traditions in the bin and start again with a godless, forced equality between all minority groups and the majority, and frankly die out as a moral act to payback the sins of our fathers
>>56830316
teleological argument is a problem for atheism based on the fine-tuning of universal constants and quantities to a degree of mathematical absurdity
>>56830028
oooOOOOoooOOOooooh, I gots some new reasearch for the eve, nice one!
>>56830693
why would you 'lawfully' rebel against an illegitimate government. The Magna Carta certainly never endorsed democracy. so David Cameron is illegitimate.
>>56829754
you have no answer?
even a stupid childlike one will do, no ne will judge you nigger faggot
>>56830597
kek
>>56829310
I think I just encountered a real monkey in the internet
>>56830983
>why would you 'lawfully' rebel against an illegitimate government
because our monarch has exceeded her powers, broken her oath of office(to the people) and committed treason, can you think of a better resason to rebel?
cameron is one of her maj's ministers, and also guilty of treason
but she is the one who we invested our soveeignity with, and she has betrayed us to brussels
>>56831057
the magna carta and billof rights can not be revoked or infringed by mere "acts" of parliament, to do so is treason. Our rights are natural and inalienable, just as the americans are(after all they got their system from ours)
>>56829310
You know that UK has a lot more immigrants and is full of dindus compared to Finland, but what ever you say mr. monkey
>>56831276
i think your wife just encountered a real monkey in a public bathroom and got raped. His name was Jamal
>>56829132
Well they are, there's not even a debate about that?
>>56831313
sho nuff
uh huuuuh
but we can remove livestock quite easily
>>56829433
Christmas is pagan holiday, and here in Finland we worship satan
>>56830826
fuck that!
we just need a better "higher purpose", just that every time somebody proposes one it gets ... a bit ... bloody?
personally, i think humans shouldnt work again and think society should be geared at 0% employment not 100% - a la civilisation vs hunter/gatherers
(i make AI tech these days, used to be in media)
>>56831378
sluts, STDs, illgitemecy(i can't spell), crime rates from such
wake up nigger
>>56831388
Finns can't? We have assault rifles for every working male.. And Finland has the highest number of fire arms in EU and highest number of illegal firearms
>>56831436
You just named all of the biggest symptoms of christianity
>>56830700
I think it is one of the most beautiful and sacred things I've ever watched... even if religion is wrong, it's been the cause of many beautiful and sacred things, should we throw it all away?
should we throw away father christmas, and turkey dinner too? everyone have mcdonalds and coke for the traditional meal?
>>56831313
oh yeah, cos the UK is sooooo religious. hahahah
>>56831378
you should ask the average North Korean
>>56831609
And that's the sole reason for your degeneracy? UK has always been degenerate throughout the history
>>56831635
Yeah that's the sole reason for their short comings, what a genius
>>56831606
I also find it funny when secularfags say "we worship satan!"... that is actually acknowledging Christianity is true XD
>>56831780
It's just about playing with your little mind :)
>>56822011
So should we teach that the trail of tears saved the tribe from actual genocide, and the Spanish Inquisition was the only institution to successfully suppress Islamic terrorism for more than a few years.
>>56829132
Yes? religious countries are shit holes. Secular countries are the most functional.
>>56831722
you and I both know Europe was superior prior to the 1700s. Just admit it.
>>56831606
I work in india occasionally.
u got to see santa in india, somehow the hindus have now made him a god and hes like a whitefaced clown who runs out from shopping malls and physically kidnaps kids into toystores for 2 weeks of the year - 1.3billion people know him as this now
prob more than euros know father christmas - new itteration
>>56831429
proper AI, or pretend?
maybe, but we still need homes for our people, just for our people
>>56831494
good, wish you the best
we'll have to make do with angry stares and hostility, but we have plenty of those!
>>56831565
no i didn't, these are all correlated with the decline of christianity
notice how you can criticise chrisitanity, but not islam, whilst they invade us? and eventually force their rules on us, as they rape our children and behead our soldiers
>>56831678
fins trying to challenge the glorious anglo australian master race shitposters, try harder
>>56831780
interestingish fact, saul alynsky's(mentor to obama, and H clintons graduate thesis subject) book "rules for radicals" includes a dedication to "the first radical ... Lucifer"
>>56831855
any that are still homjogenous?
>>56831922
kek, does he poo in loo?
>>56831929
I think all the religions are about controlling the masses, Christianity is still better than Islam by miles. Also thanks for outing yourself as a shitposter it just solidifies your position as a non-factor.
>le atheism is objectively true meme
the world got on just fine for 2000 years of teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ
it's this bullshit atheism that has brought gay weddings, transgenderism and ISIS
>>56822011
>Santa Claus
BANNED
>using imagination
BANNED
>not telling your children that their grandfather is a rotting corpse
BANNED
>>56832107
2000 years ago, everyone in the world started to believe in Christianity. What a great story that is.
>>56832107
>linking atheism with mental illness
Atheism is based on logic and reasoning, thats the contrary of what those people do
>>56832066
calling you a wannabe toptier shitposter like your glorious aussie idols makes me a shitposter, your not even trying m8y
agreed that we should eradicate islam, or at least ban it from our lands
>>56832107
jews mate
jews denigrate christianity as they push gays, transgender, drugs, porn, promiscuity and hatred of Whites
>>56831929
>proper AI, or pretend?
i specialise in making machines recognise patterns mathematically, sort of like situational awareness.
>>56832171
My father always told me to go to talk to my grand father because he is going to die soon and I should spend time with him before he dies. What's wrong about that?
>>56832211
not exactly, but it was pretty quick to take the entire occident. I think it was destiny. After all, Christianity was taken to Africa and India and never took root with the people (Ethiopia was a weird exception).
atheism is very disordered
>>56822011
>Make it illegal to teach a child anything fictional and present true - make it child abuse.
No state would agree with that, liberal or communist.
Otherwise how could they indoctrinate kids into believing in egalitarianism?
>>56832251
You are just a shitposter m8, also you are using memes that I made popular. m80
>>56832107
>the world got on just fine for 2000 years
Not by modern standards.
>>56832001
>kek, does he poo in loo?
lol, prob not - think hes on £1 a day for all his efforts
>>56832066
you dont get it because you see the world as Marx did, full of 'control systems' rather than just natural hierarchies. religion connects earthly hierarchy (aristocrat, peasant, etc.) to divine hierarchy (angelic beings, God)
>Muslims today act like Christians did during the middle ages
>Christianity is okay
Yeah no. Even if you're less retarded than other retards you're still an idiot. How much damage has philosophy like "WE NEEDS TO MAKE DEESYPULLS OF ALL NAYSHUNS SENPAI" done to the white race?
>>56822011
I agree. Anyone who expresses any leftist sentiment whatsoever is unqualified to teach.
>>56832345
So it's all about controlling the masses with some desert people knowledge about how the world works, what a great system we should never think it through when we have the resources to do so :^)
>>56832434
Ever heard of the hidden hand?
>>56832107
or bait, or really stupid.
Yeah, it's the Christian's fault that little Michael cut his dick off and changed his name to Michelle.
>>56832358
you'd be surprised, we only beat the commies economically it wasn't their lack of religion that stumped them
>>56832546
People from UK tend to be really stupid, it's just how it goes. Their elite has been brainwashing them for a looong time
>>56832476
you've been thinking it through since the enlightenment. see how that turned out for white europe? your 'thinking' is the fucking problem
>>56832283
so pretend AI, fair enough, thats a step
>>56832396
finns, popular, kanker mongol
>>56832629
maybe, except you said elites, not jews
>>56832736
Please stop embarrassing my country
>>56832736
The age of enlightenment brought you this technology you are using right now. But it seems that it's better to kill your neighbour if he works on sunday :^)
Why do all neckbeards claim to be so enlightened and yet they don't know one of the most known and fundamental principles of philosophy, Hume's Law? I mean fucking seriously.
>muh posting the children with non empirical doctrine
Do you retards even have enough brain cells to understand why you're so stupid?
atheists, do you really believe nothing created the everything?
i get the sense you don't have even the remotest of doubts that nothing in the universe was designed, and it was all just aimless, lifeless chemical reactions.... it is very blinkered
>>56832801
Your elite and jews are pretty much synonymous with themselves :^)
>>56832801
lol yep, but i can make a computer tell if youre being sarcastic better than our tests say a human can - true story
(realtime av/microexperssion analysis)
important for the uk
>>56833096
sarky cunts all of us
>>56832848
yes. obviously. when we were doing that, we remained white. obviously you're a race-kek
>>56832818
lol, british people are so keked
>Let's ban religion so our kids can go to schools packed with muds and peace and tolerance!
>>56833159
Finns, race keks oh my, we have the purest white genes. :^)
I don't get why /pol/ shames atheists so much, i mean, i understand atheism became some kind of cool meme for edgy teens, but people here downright claim it's outrageous to not believe in the existence of a god and that it automatically means degeneracy and whatnot
Well, we don't even know god exists or not for sure but atheists have a more logical standing on the matter
Also, arguing about religion is really unproductive so i would suggest everyone to stop giving a fuck and become apatheists
>>56833226
Burn all the heretics who think they can spoil our little party :^)
>>56832945
And what about you, do you always spout incoherent bullshit?
>>56833286
>i understand atheism became some kind of cool meme for edgy teens
Maybe in fucked up countries but here in the civilised world athiesm is the norm.
>>56833286
Yeah it's about not trusting some fucking book made in the desert 2000 years ago, I would rather trust what I see and what I can perceive, but I still respect the good teachings in Christianity and other religions which they indeed have, but the problems lies in the trust network they create
>>56822011
>We should also make it illegal for someone to think anything contrary to what I believe. Everyone must have the same ideals as me or else they will be killed.
how's high school?
>>56833262
so said the Swedes... now look at them
>>56833286
Most of that is just a meme. Beneath that, we are really just rallying against the general apathy and nihilism that atheists tend to embrace.
>>56833286
THEY AREN'T THAT RATIONAL.
HUME'S LAW YOU DIP. There's no fucking evidence for why you ought to value empirical evidence. It's fundamentally irrational. They're hypocritical edgelords.
>>56832915
>philosophy, Hume's Law?
kek, hai gais I wanna teach you philorsopheys
it's fucking useless, aristotle even stated that the more useless an idea was, teh more NOBLE it was to persue.. jesus
>>56832975
fair comment
>>56833096
wow, that would be sooo useful
>>56833226
I disagree
>>56833388
checked
>>56833441
HUME'S LAW IS A LOGICAL LAW YOU DUMB FUCK NECKBEARD.
>>56833415
Well we call Swedes the biggest faggots in the world, and have called them for centuries.
>>56833286
/pol/ thinks Atheism with a capital A, as in you have to fight evil xians, go to Atheist meetups on Sunday, remove the word god from everything and wear a fedora is the same as atheism: god isn't real. Most Atheists believe in the irrational religion of Multiculturalism too.
>when someone says atheism isn't a religion
>>56833497
so explain it
If you denounce God on the basis of the lack of empirical data then why wouldn't you denounce all objective morality, value, purpose, etc.? The natural progression of atheism is nihilism.
>see The Denial of Death by Earnest Becker
In order for man to believe in purpose and pull himself out of the void of nihilism he must first believe it is OBJECTIVE, that his purpose must be part of a greater goal. Why do you guys suppose so many atheists turn into leftists??? Because without God in heaven you find God on earth and the government becomes the vehicle to that destination... Communism. Does that put the term "Godless communism" enough into perspective? Because it's right on point. It's a fucking cancer.
Connect the dots people. Why else would there be such a massive campaign against Christianity? Those fighting for more power are going to want to sway the masses to think like them to support their cause so they can gain more power. It's happening ALL AROUND YOU.
>>56822011
>>56833863
https://youtu.be/4zBz27MdSn4?t=3m19s
Checkmate, religion
>>56833426
It is indeed irrational to claim whether god exists or not because we simply don't know
But if you think about it, if we don't have any evidence of the existence of god then we should be inclined to believe that he doesn't exist/doesn't affect us
If you turn this around you get "but you also don't have evidence that he doesn't exists" but that's just shifting the burden of proof
>>56834078
At some point you have to construct axioms which can't be proven. You can't prove mathematical axioms and you can't prove that killing is inherently bad. But you can define killing as bad and build a moral system off of that.
Creating a fantasy around magic and gods isn't a solution.
>>56834284
And yet, for most of human history, and even still today, most people still believe in some divine power. Who's really shifting the burden of proof, here?
>>56834383
It isn't fantasy you fucking ignorant moron.
The father, son, and holy spirit = the logos, pathos and ethos.
LOGOS = REASON
THAT'S WHY YOU'RE A FUCKING RETARD.
>>56834510
>The father, son, and holy spirit = the logos, pathos and ethos.
Literally complete bollocks.
>>56834284
why should we be inclined to believe he doesn't exist
we still have the rather large question of how you get intelligent life and emotions from nothing
it is ridiculous that we exist. a rational explanation for the ridiculous is unlikely
>>56822011
The government doesn't exist. It's just a group of people who will kill or imprison you if you don't do what they say. So you want a fictional group to enforce teaching children fiction? Sound thinking Dennis.
>>56822011
>You know you're yuropeen when the first thing that comes to mind when you hear religion is islam
>>56834546
the son is the logos. what is this guy smoking?
>no evidence God exists
We ARE the evidence.
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
This is why heretics go to hell. Only dumbasses look at all of the symbolism and esoteric as being literal. Manly P. Hall stated in his book The Esoteric Teachings of All Ages that the weak minded only see the surface. Those who are too stupid cannot comprehend the deeper works and can never find salvation. Enjoy following The Amazing Degenerate to Hades.
>>56834399
Just like the flat earth and geocentrism, then, and they turned out to be soooo right
>>56834591
>how you get intelligent life and emotions from nothing
We don't know, just like the aboriginals thousands of years ago believed that the growth of crops was due to supernatural entities, we might find more explanations in the future
You can't just say that things can't be created from nothing, therefore god
>>56822011
>Hey Kids! As far as we can accurately determine through the scientific method, excluding your objective experience which must mean so much considering your 12 years old, your lives are meaningless nihilistic accident, all morality and counter arguments is just rhetoric, and the only reason you should listen to us is cause we pay men to kill and kick the shit out of you if you don't.
Great plan faggot
>>56835005
Yet you admitted that there is no proof against God, so your analogy is retarded.
>>56822011
>OP posts literal CP on /pol/
>244 replies
>been 3 hours
M-Mods out for thanksgiving?
>>56835198
Oh crap I didn't even notice it.
My niggas you see in ops pic related the chest of a 3 year old girl. Enjoy.
>>56835005
and you can't just say "jew scientists will figure it out later"
>>56834238
>a vevo video that is made unavailable in my country (US)
Are they retarded?
>Following Jewish religions
>>56835005
>just like the flat earth and geocentrism, then, and they turned out to be soooo right
atheism doesn't own scientific discovery
we are no closer to knowing whether God exists or not now, then we were before we discovered Jupiter or invented the internet
>>56833915
no?
heh
must be bullshit then
Christians literally believe in the greek pantheon's hel
