I don't want to die because of Erdoğan's politics.
>>56789190
Is he actually a dictator? Are the elections rigged?
run, fool.
>>56789190
Too bad, you deserve it, sandnigger.
I'll be laughing at the televised news with all of your shit nuked, you pathetic attention-whoring NATO worm.
What's happening with those two MP that are saying turkey gave al-nusrah front Sarin Gas last year?
>>56789190
Fuck you Muslim trash Russia's gonna nuke you shit skins even further into the Stone Age than you fucks already are.
>>56789320
Considering Turks on average are fucking retarded, no. I don't think they're rigged.
50% of Turks geniunely support him.
>>56789190
>Russia violates Turkish airspace
>Turkey didnt act like pussy as Eurocucs do so.. and shot it down
>I dont wanna die coz of Erdoğan
>>56789190
You're not going to live forever, why don't you take control of your destiny?
>>56789459
It was leaving
ROE motherfucker
>>56789459
Nato regulations say that we are to escort foreign jets out, not shoot them down.
>>56789459
>didnt act like pussy
You acted like an immature child though desu
>NATO PLS HELP
>>56789190
go to putin's harem then. take your mom and sister too kürt.
>>56789457
>Considering Turks on average are fucking retarded
I take you're one of those people. Those living in yellow areas outnumber those in red by several millions.
>>56789516
NATO activates for defence
>>56789529
Will Greece help Russia?
War spending always helps an ailing economy
And they're orthodox
And its turkey
>>56789459
There are over 1600 annual violations by turkish jets in Greek airspace yet we haven't bombed you for obvious reasons.
We don't blame you guys, we know its part of your Mongoloid genome to behave like that.
So who gave the order to shoot the plane down? i hope he has to step in front of a military tribunal
>>56789516
>Britian
>Calling anyone childish
>"Muh LibLabCon destroyed muh glorious empire, Nigel Will make britian great again :^)"
>>56789612
Rumor has that we're already do. Cyprus does for sure. I'm a farmer, I'd rather send all of my crops to Russia rather than sell it to Berlinstan.
>>56789612
Tsipras wont go to war tbhfam, he wont be able to support turkey without massive riots though, if any war Greece will sit it out
>>56789504
>Falling for Russian propaganda shills on the internet
That ''ROE'' is from 1952 anon. For fucks sakes, can someone atleast search the resource of something they read?
And Turkey announced their own set of ''ROE'' regarding their Syrian border and announced it to the world. Warned Russia that they will face extreme reactions after they locked onto our F-16s inside Turkish airspace.
Stop being a cück.
>>56789639
Kike get out
>>56789632
http://thinkpol.ca/2015/11/25/i-gave-the-order-myself-%E2%88%92-turkish-pm-on-downing-russian-plane/
Erdoğan, the absolute Madman.
>>56789676
What sort of rumours?
>>56789504
>Turkish aircraft downed by Syrians few years ago.
>There were no reason, it was against internatioanl law.
>Then Turkey declared NEW FUCKING ENGAGEMENT RULES FOR ITS FUCKING AIR SPACE.
>Russia kept violate Turkish airspace
>Turkey again.. warned them for many times.
And yes.. That is the result what Russia deserved.
>>56789684
the politicians would probably ask or order so, the military and paramilitary people think otherwise though.
>>56789320
Seeing how inbred and retarded Turks are,there's no need to rig the elections. But yes he's a dictator.
>>56789688
>Warned Russia that they will face extreme reactions after they locked onto our F-16s inside Turkish airspace.
Which isn't what happened.
Shouldn't you be out killing Kurds? Or arming al-Qaeda?
Only converting to christianity can save you.
>>56789754
Well the military follow orders of the politicians
>>56789613
Same is said about Greek violations into Turkish airspace komshi.
And when ''accidents'' happen, no one makes a fuss about it just like when we shot down your Mirage, just like when you shot down our F-16 and just like when our planes collided.
>>56789613
we are just turkified greeks mate. you have more slav genes in your veins then we have mongol
>>56789766
http://theaviationist.com/2015/10/05/russian-su-30sm-su-24-violate-turkish-airspace-flanker-locks-on-tuaf-f-16-for-5-minutes/
Get fucked cunt. We warned them after this shit that they will be show down the second they make an airspace violation. And they did, and we kept our promise.
>>56789812
Not really, most Greeks will refuse to fight with Turks even if the government orders it.
>>56789962
Şunlar adam gibi toplayıp bir imaj yapın. Sıkıldım aynı bokları açıklamaktan.
>>56789190
If Turkey fired the missiles that shot down the Russian airplane WHILE the Su-24 was in Turkish airspace I think it's fully justified.
Doesn't matter where the plane was heading.
I am not a fan of Turkey in the slightest, but when someone crosses your border you are fully in your right to respond.
/pol/ is just full of brain damaged fanboys that are unable to do basic reasoning.
RESPECTING SOVEREIGN BORDER IS EXACTLY WHAT /POL/ IS CALLING FOR IN EUROPE.
They even call for shooting on sight unarmed invaders.
But suddenly when it's Russia violating a border their inner fanboy-ism wakes up and rationality shuts the fuck down.
As I said I am not a fan of Turkey, I support Russia over Turkey, not because I am lying to myself though, but because Erdogan is an enemy of me.
>>56789504
>Nato regulations say that we are to escort foreign jets out, not shoot them down.
That's what we do to the russian planes that come over here.
It's like a game these days: they come over - we escort them out.., the airmen wave to each other and waggle wings and shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4qpT_ow3sc
Turkey is doomed.
Moment when Deniz feels regretted about the hell they did.
>>56789724
Well, there are several bases on our 2000 islands and islets, plus some major equipment that we can borrow to our friends from Russia in order to cleanse those areas from cockroaches. And the people feels that way here.
>>56789812
Formally, the do. Are you aware of the public opinion of our politicians?
Newsflash, the people don't give a fuck about our politicians and many people would like to go back in their former homes in Anatolia.
>>56789850
Like the fact that your people considers Greek land to be turkic and disputes every single source providing otherwise?
I'll have to remind you the part "we would do whatever we can to help Russia and everyone opposes you".
>>56789907
Depends of the region and the individual actually. You're multiracial for sure.
And last time I checked Slavs were Europeans, and among the vigilant defenders against the Mongoloid menace.
>>56789997
Well said. When the head of the head of the Orthodox church met with the pope, the later said that it won't be another betrayal against each other.
Meaning I'm not so sure if the Catholic NATO countries would really side with turkey.
The heck, the NATO is controlled by a fucking muslim born in Kenya.
>>56790072
It was in Syrian airspace
It had flown into Turkish airspace and then turned around
>>56790088
>the airmen wave to each other and waggle wings and shit.
>>56790088
You do that when you spot them tens of miles from your airspace in the ocean not when you are bordering an active warzone.
Stop with the fallacies.
>>56789962
No. YOU ARE THE WHO GETS FUCKED YOU WOG FUCK BADTARD
>>56789962
Gallipoli v2.0 is coming you dirty turkish cunt.
>>56790088
/k/ has a drawing of this, complete with bears in the Tu-95
>>56790210
You want to get BTFO for the second time?
>>56790131
>The heck, the NATO is controlled by a fucking muslim born in Kenya.
Anon, pls. You have to be 18 to post here.
>>56789724
Allegedly Tsipras and Poutine had a private discussion. Could have been an ouzo vs vodka debate for all I know though.
>>56790131
>Like the fact that your people considers Greek land to be turkic and disputes every single source providing otherwise?
I'll have to remind you the part "we would do whatever we can to help Russia and everyone opposes you".
Literally no one does this. Are you retarded anon? We don't haev neither politicans or voters spouts memes like ''Selanik is TURKISH'' ''Gib back Eastern Thrace'', you do.
And lol at the last part, you can't do jack shit anon. Your country is bankrupt, your people are exhausted from all this social and economical struggle while we have binding treaties that makes us allies.
>>56790072
>If Turkey fired the missiles that shot down the Russian airplane WHILE the Su-24 was in Turkish airspace I think it's fully justified.
Its flat out against the laws of NATO to fire on a plane leaving your airspace, unless it just bombed you of course. Turkey was 100% in the wrong.
>RESPECTING SOVEREIGN BORDER IS EXACTLY WHAT /POL/ IS CALLING FOR IN EUROPE.
If someone is fighting terrorism, I'm not going to object if he steps within my wiggly weird borders for SIX SECONDS
>>56790088
>>56789504
EU law states that you cannot stop the massive Arab and African invaders at the border and that you must provide for them.
Didn't stop /pol/ from supporting Hungary in going against it
>>56790148
Missiles take time to travel, especially when chasing high speed target, afaik we don't know when the F-16 fired the missile, while the Su was in Turkish airspace or not.
>>56789190
I remember when I was in Turkey before the elections 5 months ago, it was full of AKP propaganda buses
>>56790210
>Gallipoli v2.0
Dude you lost that war:^)
that's too bad
>>56790328
You're still not even allowed to shoot them.
You have to make visual contact with you're own pilot first.
Even then you can't shoot them unless they change course, or continue on one that presents a clear intent to destroy.
Turkey 100% fucked up.
>>56790189
>>56790210
>Gets rek'd
>GALLIPOLI!!!
>DIRTY TURKISH CUNT>>56790189
>BASTARD!
>BLA BLA BLA ANOTHER CAPS INSULT
Cry me a river single digit fucks. :D
>>56790328
>Missiles take time to travel, especially when chasing high speed target, afaik we don't know when the F-16 fired the missile, while the Su was in Turkish airspace or not.
Its been confirmed
>>56790131
>"and everyone opposes you"
Go buy clothes for PKK.
>>56790313
Besides all the meme crap, the Aegean issue is a very big and a very real one.
Let's face it, Turkey want to buttfuck our sea control and we don't want to give it.
As long as Turkey doesn't stop having claims on our naval and air space there will be hate.
And then there is Cyprus yadi yadi yada
>>56790429
proofs
>>56790280
It would be very painful.
[spoiler]For you[/spoiler]
>>56790429
Nope, it has been comfirmed that missle hit the jet in Syrian airspace, not the time of firing.
Russiaboos are the most failure of shills I have ever seen. Atleast, other countries have shills that has above avarage intelligence.
>>56790380
Why are the west such keks and sided with the ottomans?
>>56789190
The waiting is the hardest part.
>>56790322
>If someone is fighting terrorism
subjective as they are not bombing ISIS there. non Nusra/ISIS rebels are not listed as terrorists by NATO, so discarded.
>I'm not going to object...
No one asked what you would personally do.
>Its flat out against the laws of NATO to fire on a plane leaving your airspace
So it's fine to fly into someones airspace illegally all the time as long as I turn around in time?
This was hardly the first time Russia violated Turkish airspace. I am sure you would be a lot more pissed if the US allowed Russian planes to do fly by over your border.
Hell the US even considers the air above it's carrier groups as US airspace.
This is bullshit. You cannot claim Russia was not in the wrong when they repeatedly violate Turkish airspace.
Turkey is much more in the wrong when violating Greek airspace as well, and I think Greece would be 100% justified to shoot down Turkish planes that violate their airspace.
Suddely /pol/ turked pacifist... lol
it's okkk to violate borders multiple times with war planes... and continue doing so even when asked and warned to stop.
lol bunch of hypocrites.
>>56790313
You aren't much better economically AFAIK Poutine is planning to naval blockade you which means no sea trade. Also half your trade partners (i.e China) are fighting ISIS and if they found out about your shenanigans from Russia would gladly join the sanction train.
Hate to say it though I would be kinda bummed if you got nuked.
>>56790580
France.
In Crimean war it was because Russia2spooky which might not work now.
what the fuck are "the yellows"?
>>56790512
>insult peoples intelligence
>include typos in your own post
>>56790411
>continue posting like a literal faggot from /b/
Yeah, just stop. You're seriously an embarrassment.
Russia is going to completely destroy you, and your entire homeland by 2018.
Shooting down that plane will be the biggest mistake you're ISIS loving shitty little 'government' has ever done.
>>56789190
I think the red part should come with us.
>>56790496
Do you feel in charge?
>>56790400
Whelp I guess you think that Hungary should comply with EU law and open borders...
>>56790429
see
>>56790481
>>56790512
>>56790072
GREATEST ALLY
>>56790411
Mate im from NATO and you can take it from me, nobody wants you! your a fuckin disagrace!!
>>56789850
>Our F-16's
Don't claim NATO hand-me-downs as your own Turksmell.
>>56790720
You're a big navy.
>>56790693
You will get your "red parts" back very soon.
I promise you.
>>56789320
>Are the elections rigged?
Yes and no. His campaign against the Kurdish rebels was a clever move and he stole nationalist votes with that.
But the last election showed a huge influx of AKP voters registered in voting regions who were not present at the previous election. Some may call it due to holiday season, but the greatest non-voters in holiday times are seculars at their summer houses.
tl;dr Erdo threatened to burn Turkey down and the elites caved in. Now he's playing the same strategy in foreign matters which will result in our glassing. What a brilliant mind.
>>56790619
>So it's fine to fly into someones airspace illegally all the time as long as I turn around in time?
Yes, it depends on the context. How deep. Duration. Awareness. Etc.
You can't just turn a plane around like a car.
>>56790645
Turkomen
>>56790797
You're welcome to wait it out in Germoney. I might have a spare boat.
>>56790072
Except for the fact this directly contravenes NATO ROE. So by all means Turks. Crack on. Just don't expect NATO assistance.
When the SAS are behind your lines causing maximum bants, then you have my permission to die.
>>56790797
Do you guys believe he acted by himself or that the US backed him up?
He's stupid, but I doubt he is THAT stupid.
Still, the Obama/Hollande response was late and even though they supported him it felt like they weren't happy about it.
>>56790801
can't tell if kek or hypocrite.
>You can't just turn a plane around like a car.
Then don't fucking fly it into another country in the first place.
Especially when you and your comrades have already done so multiple times before and asked to stop.
>>56790659
bale bra Tuncay lanaw dache
>>56790797
Why is Turkey supporting the al-nusrah front?
>>56790783
Breddy cool tanks Greece
Too bad we are stuck with turret flying t-72s
>>56790933
Turkey is aiding al-Qaeda in Turkey
It gave them Sarin Gas last year
I has supplied them with intelligence on American trained rebels
STFU you stupid kike cunt
>>56790917
I think they are about the throw Poultry under the bus soon if this starts to escalate. Either way Poutine won since he used this as a CB to move SAMs into Syria (S-400s IIRC).
>>56790783
And there goes my tax money! At this point Germoney has to hand us Instanbul to compensate for all the tanks we bought from them ~
>>56790887
Thanks but I'll rather die
>>56790917
I don't know. At this point I can only speculate, but judging from NATO and Obama reactions, I think this one's on Erdogan.
The reason: retaliation for Russians (not Syrians) shooting down two Turkish F4s
Turkey was going to be factored out in Syria anyway and Erdo rolled the dice
>>56790955
Same reason with US - to destabilize Assad
>>56790111
The only thing thats going to happen when russians make any form of insurrection into Turkish clay is they will go back home crying with their limbs chopped off
like they did in Afganistan
>>56791047
Yeah, seems like a Putin victory.
Surprised NATO hasn't done or even said anything about it.
Ruskies pretty much control Turkish operations now.
Oh and *insert Paisios meme here*
>>56790955
Turkey is a puppet for Israel
>>56791041
lol that deflecting.
I know that Turkey is supporting ISIS and JAN.
Personally I am against Turkish actions in general and despise their leadership and all the Turks that support it.
But this has NOTHING to do with the plane incident.
How is the fact that Turkey is scum suddenly magically makes them wrong in defending their air space?
These things are not connected at all. But your stupid little brain cell cannot comprehend that Russian can actually make mistakes.
You are damaged, I hope age corrects you.
>>56791186
lol you've got to be kidding.
Turkey is against Israel since AKP took power. They were even working with Syria and Iran before the civil war began.
>>56791212
Because there is somethign that is called politics.
Every action is going to have a reaction.
Turkey knew that the Rus wouldn't attack them and had no reason to shoot other than to "show teeth" and act tough. It backfired on them.
You may be used to ass whooping Palestinians when they challenge you, but this is different.
>>56791041
Usa dindu nuffin
Nato dindu nuffins
>>56791327
That is Turkeys decision to make.
But they have every right to defend their border. Whether that's the smart decision or not... well that's another question.
People here were accusing Turkey for being in the wrong for defending their air space. fucking hilarious coming from so called red pilled people who spend every day calling for harder enforcement of borders world wide.
>>56791164
I think they'll be smart. They'll just arm the Kurds and sit back and watch
Like America did in Afghanistan :^)
>>56789639
nobody likes jewish people, nobody
>nobody
>>56791212
>>56791312
lol what a stupid shill
>>56791212
Scum = no defence
>>56791446
kike with attitude problem detected, leave nose nigger
>>56791446
It's a double standard rabi. We all hate Poultry.
>>56791446
/pol/ is retarded, we all know that.
People are mad at Turkey for being idiotic and for escalating an already hot crisis.
Also everyone hates Turks so that's one more reason to diss on them lol.
Aren't you guys supposed to support the Greece - Cyprus - Israel triangle.
Have the kikes abandonded us now? :O
>>56791515
>>56791484
>>56791483
nice arguments you have there.
kucks and hypocrites this is /pol/s forte
>>56791546
>Israel
>supporting anyone outside from their borders
u wot m8?
>>56791583
Look JIDF, I won't even bother arguing with you.
Just tell your supervisor I agree you won this online argument and collect your shekelim.
>>56791546
lol I am me, not my country. And I speak of what I see.
I do support Greece/Russia/Cyprus over Turkey personally.
That doesn't mean that I think that the countries I support, including my own, can do no wrong. Russia shouldn't have flown through Turkish air space. But I still support them over Turkey.
>>56791629
Common interests bro.
I really don't get why Israel and Turkey would be against each other, besides Turks wanting to play big daddy on their "muslim brothers", but if that's the case, why not make pals with the Jews?
>>56791672
lol I get that, I just want to know if the Israeli state still wants ties with Greece and Cyprus.
Finding about that shit from Greek news is tough cause everything Jew related always goes in another direction, fast.
Didn't our "leaders" have a meeting yesterday?
>>56791583
There is no time to waste debating your shit stirring
>>56790220
I need to see this
>>56789812
There's no chance in hell Greeks would go and fight for t*rks m8. If they order something like that, the military would most likely kill the high ranking generals and perform a coup
>>56789496
So was the ARA General Belgrano.
>>56791899
Yeah, no way in hell any Greek would kill a Ruskie to protect Turks.
Not even Tsipras is that stupid.
>>56790619
>If someone is fighting terrorism
>subjective
Al-Qaeda aren't terrorists now?
>>56791745
M8 it was all an act
You don't get to play big bro over the Arabs without supporting the Palestineans. This was necessary because Erdogan and Muslim Brotherhood were allies. Then MB crashed with no survivors
Just look at the economic activity between Israel and Turkey. That shows exactly what has changed = nothing
>>56791745
I think that we're trying to stay in good relations with both Turkey and Greece at about the same level.
We have very good relations with Cyprus and a plethora of cooperation in many fields.
Been in Cyprus myself just a week ago, I like the place, it always reminds me of Israel 20 years in the past.
They are getting a lot more tourists than they should for the season because of people coming there instead of Sinai, I bet more Russians will vacation there now that Turkey is becoming a worse destination, so good for all 3 of us.
>>56791792
>>56791641
the salt is real. when will you man up?
>>56792045
Turkmen are not AQ though, AQ and ISIS are not the only targets of Russian bombs.
And yes, terrorism is subjective:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_designated_terrorist_groups
>>56792049
Thought as much.
>>56790783
for you
>T*rkey is secular and Western!!!!!
Self hating T*rks are even worse than regular Trks
>>56789190
>not posting the map separating individual districts
çankaya here, don't want my ass getting nuked because of kikerdogan, pic fucking related
>>56792281
>Self hating T*rks are even worse than regular Trks
I'd rather have T*rks suck on Ataturk's Jew dick than Mohammad's dick.
The action was the last gasp of Turkish foreign policy in Syria.
Russia has been increasingly countering and mitigating almost everything Turkey has been doing with their relationship with Kurdish groups, funding ISIS and their general opposition (at all costs) to Assad.
Turkey, along with the Saudis, desperately want Assad gone and to win influence in the area. Russia has now essentially ensured neither of those things will happen, and they're butthurt.
Shooting down the Russian jet is really only evidence that Erdogan's policies are now failing and he'll face domestic criticism. Nothing like shifting the blame, eh?
>>56792379
How dare you post anything that might offend Erdogan, I'll be sure to report it to the police!
>>56792379
What's the mood like in turkey? Are people supportive of him? Could there be protests against him?
And what's happening with those two MPs who said turkey supplied sarin gas?
>>56791899
Why are the generals terrified of Turks?
Why do they so casually disobey orders?
