Who /libertarian/ here?
>>56777801
>my political ideology starts with lib-
>being a libertarian
>wanting shitskins to freely and easily emigrate into your country
Sorry, I don't believe in kuck ideologies.
>Tfw no Nationalist Libertarianism
>>56777919
No, but you still support the statist system that is doing exactly this because you hope that one day it will be your turn to enforce your opinions on everyone else.
>>56777919
>libertarian
>pro-immigration
I wonder how can one person reach such levels of retardation in a single life-time
>>56777993
There's no law against immigrants entering the country, is there? And if libertardians would simply shoot them dead, they're no better than niggers.
>>56777993
To be fair, we voted in Obama twice.
Texas libertarian checking in
>>56777993
He doesn't understand the difference between open borders without government programs to subsidize bad immigrants and the shit liberals want.
>>56777993
You don't support Statist borders now do you goy?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcUZrDX5P7A
>>56777978
That's how the world works either your doing the keking or you're the one getting keked.
>>56777801
Liberals attacking conservatives is like conservatives attacking libertarians. They tend to do so with dishonest subversiveness.
Sanitation, medicine, education, public order, irrigation, roads, freshwater systems, and public health can all be taken care of through voluntary transactions as opposed to government coercion
>>56777801
Libertarians like Stephan Molyneux are just a bunch of spoiled brats.
Stephan Molyneux says the same line so often "charities will handle it." He thinks that all forms of welfare should be denied and then "charities will handle the poor."
But at the same time, he dislikes religion. And religion has always been the main source of charities. Does Stephan Molyneux even donate any of HIS time and money to charity?
He just reminds me of Brian Griffin, a spoiled, wannabee intellectual. And like Quagmire's rant on Brian, "you want to end poverty in America? Then grab a ladle."
>>56777801
>Sanitation
Self-funded scientist stopped cholera by sneaking trace chlorine into the water and was nearly charged with treason.
>Medicine
Anything that isn't funding the feeding of elderly or genetrash pharmaceutical cocktails is done better by the private sector.
>Education
Private does it far, far better. American public schools are a fucking disaster.
>Public Order
One good point.
>Irrigation
California called, Pelosi draining reservoirs during drought, redirecting water specifically away from farmland for the sake of reducing bay smelt's imaginary plight. Took two decades to finally convince her that the cities may possibly benefit from simple desalination plants.
>Roads
Could not be more wrong if you thing government does this efficiently or effectively.
>Freshwater and Public Health
See above.
>>56777801
I like Stefan even though I'm not a libertarian.
That one podcast with the old Mormon apostle gave me feels.
>>56778486
He doesn't say charities will "handle" the poor, he says the poor should handle themselves and get jobs and that a system of welfare doesn't solve poverty as you create incentives for behaviour that creates even more poor people than you began with.
>>56777801
I want to say I lean more towards liberty. Think identifying with a group just cos you come from it is dumb. Sporting patriotism, religious identity and nationalism is stupi. I also think all world governments are fucked. Everything is too far gone for how I'd imagine eutopia. As a result, I am just heavily ambivalent towards all politics.
Like I see the merit in conservatism if you most value community identity. Libertarianism if you value individual freedom, communism if you value being poor and hungry.
So now I'm just meh about it all.
Fucking political philosophy degree just killed my interest in allying myself with any belief. Seriously never fucking study Phil it will make you a miserable cunt about everything. Would say nihilist but Ive no wicked sense of humour to go with it.
Also.
Fuck politics just find a way to enjoy yourself in whatever situation you're in. Well until you are being burned alive under Islam that is...
>>56778347
>traffic sign
>12 lines of text
No one is gonna read this and not crash
>>56778486
When people have money to donate they donate.
When someone gets hit by a car, and they need help with bills and the like, we might give them money, but if we give them too much money when they get hit by cars, then people start getting hit by cars on purpose.
The reason why the black community is such cancer is because of welfare. They are living off of hard working Americans dime through coercion. Don't pay for blacks to rape your women and sell drugs to buy their nice cars while recieving welfare checks then go to jail or die resisting by the guys with the most guns, the government. Look at the rates of illegitmacy since the war on poverty. It's insane.
>>56777919
He thinks Libertarianism is free movement.
Read hoppe you cunt
>>56778133
>liberals
Aren't we talking about libertarians? Liberalism is a left-wing ideology, libertarianism is based on right-wing, closer to centrist ideologies. Only retarded RIDFs who use the word 'liberal' only as a synonim to 'national traitor' would confuse those.
>>56778486
All the high income/output charities here are not religious.
>>56777801
Your picture is wrong and stupid. Those things were laid down in libertarian government times. They are being wrecked by your big.gov philosophy.
>>56777993
In Amurrika libertarian = open borders
>le free movement of labor
they're just full on capitalist faggots who think every nigger/latin american should be able to move to any country to work for slave wages cause le free market
>>56777801
Libertarianism is going to be the only thing to save Europeans; national socialism is impossible because of muh nazis. So you need a rationally defendable nationalism rather than an ideology that is literally muh feels, muh will, and can't get over basic shit like LTV or ECP. Right Libertarian nationalism or Caliphate. Take your pick.
>>56778945
>>56778133
>open borders without government programs to subsidize bad immigrants
What libertarians want. And by open borders, I only mean borders in the statist sense, obviously private property can still have borders.
>and the shit liberals want.
Open borders and welfare state.
>>56778573
Wonderful rebuttal.
I'd like to add, public order is a good thing the government does because that's what government is put in place to do, according to common law, and our Constitution.
Too often I hear, "Oh, you're a libertarian? You don't like the interstate highway systems or the police?" What a fucking retarded thing to say. A small government that sticks to the blueprint =/= fucking anarchy.
Tl;dr, fuck stupid fuckers and their strawman bullshit
>>56779280
I live in Texas and know a few libertarians and not one of them are for open borders. They're realistic and realize that open borders are can only work in free society. Stefan doesn't even support open borders in America yous stupid dense fuck. You're being dishonest here.
>>56779353
A sufficiently advanced people could have an (actual) social contract over a large area. As a libertarian order will be a contractual society transitioned from a state, or Minarchy I see no reason why there would not be a border to keep out the dark hordes. The market demand for who to live with would be enormous, all the hordes would follow the white gods around but where is the obligation to let them in? Id purchase the social contract to make sure they are shot trying to enter.
Supply and demand.
>>56779473
>and not one of them are for open borders
Then they're not actual libertarians you dipshit, they're closer to paleoconservatives than anything.
>>56778234
Hahaha, the fact that republicans are this buttmad over libertarianism makes me laugh. I can't believe I live in a country where people think like this.
>>56779591
In a free market society you could actually deny them service and ostrisize them. Because the trades of goods and services with blacks would actually be voluntary, as opposed to what we have now, then communites could totally cut off services and goods to blacks and adhere to natural tribal behavior
>>56779591
Yeah, I agree, I should have made it clear that I was only referring to what the average open border libertarian wants.
There is a reason why Jared Taylor has some sympathies for Hoppe. If white nationalists want a future, they should be working towards Privatrechtgesellschaften.
>>56779473
Just look at the first page. Apparently some shilling crew (idk which one to be honest, can't see what Volodin and Potupchik, and their mastermind Surkov would win from that, libertarian ideas aren't that popular in Russia yet to be dangerous) has received a 'work order' to shill the idea that liberalism = libertarianism.
Or maybe someone's scared of Paul? Don't think so too. It can't be just a coincidence that we suddenly get so many retarded idiots who try to portrait libertarianism like
1) being even close to modern liberalism
2) actually existing anywhere in the world except for maybe Saakashvili's Georgia
>>56779601
They are and this is why. When illegals pass into the United States and start using welfare at the high rates that they do, and then have tons of children who use welfare at even higher rates than their parents did, they're forcing the money out of the pockets of taxpayers through means of coercion which breaks the non-aggression principle. By passing into the states and using welfare, they are breaking the non-aggression principle which is fundamental in Libertarianism.
>>56778573
>Public Order
But anon, they can't even keep dindus in line without riots.
>>56779983
Not to mention that true libertarianism doesn't consider 'welfare' to be a thing anyway. Libertarians ideas are free from both socialistic bullshit (welfare) and nationalistic bullshit (we won't let you in even if you're a great worker and know the basic principles of what it means to be a human).
>>56777970
I suppose that would be a sort of cultural voluntarism to help one another, rather than the nation state.
>>56779983
So if there was no welfare state they'd totally be cool with 100 million spics coming into the country for work?
What a faulty fucking ideology
>>56777919
>What is voluntary association?
Under Libertarianism, no one has to hire them, speak to them, say anything positive about them, or give a fuck about them at all.
And here's what happens as a result:
Since there are no government programs to attract them, they all just go away or get taken out to the desert and buried.
>le defoo man
>>56780280
So we're back to being able to say,
>We don't serve your kind here.
>Get out.
>>56780148
100 million spics wouldn't come over if the government wasn't showering them with your money.
>>56779983
>By passing into the states and using welfare, they are breaking the non-aggression principle which is fundamental in Libertarianism.
And by using force to control immigration, namely the deportation of the millions of illegals that are already in the country, you yourself are breaking the non-aggression principle. That's not even considering the large standing army that would be needed to control immigration in the first place.
You cannot be pro-white and be a libertarian at the same time. It's not possible. Therefore it is a kuck ideology.
>>56780364
You don't know that, our border is shit and no one cares, spics have been flooding over for 50 fucking years and now they already have more pop than blacks.
It was all for "work" too
>>56780362
Businesses who didn't sell to people just because of their culture may suffer though and get beat out. I could see how keeping blacks out of your retail scores could actually be profitable though because they steal so much.
>>56779985
Well, there's gotta be balance. Those things are in Nogunzia, perpetrated by fuckers confident in the lacks of armed citizenry willing to defend their livelihood.
>>56780148
Without welfare state the biggest fucking pull factor for immigrants would evaporate. Throw in no affirmative action or anything like that too.
Plus, I still believe that there could be a defence of borders in a Libertarian society. It would take a majority vote probably and the funds for defence would have to come from voluntarily given sums/donations/an opt-in type of small payment, but compared to the current tax systems it would be nothing.
>>56780366
Yes you can you cunt. Illegals have already broke nap, as has anyone forced in by a state.
Nationalism is the logical endgame of libertarianism. Why would a social contract have to admit anyone? A libertarian order would be enourmously selective. NAP is fine with defence.
>>56780476
>Businesses who didn't sell to people just because of their culture may suffer though and get beat out.
Just because all the goddamn spics are already here, doesn't mean they shouldn't have been invited with the promise of free shit.
>>56780366
If they first commit aggression towards you then it not inapppropirate to retaliate. If they steal our money through government coercion (taxation), fuck em. That's totally following the non aggression principle.
If someone is about to hurt you or hits you or pulls a knife or whatever, fuck em up. A lot of our laws are built around that principle already unless you're living in some beta kek state like NJ
>>56780599
I didn't say that they should have.
>>56779856
Yup
>>56780623
What you've just said is basically covered with that phrase on libertarians' flag.
Non-agression does not equate submission, and this (or these) retarded shill tries to imply exactly that.
To be perfectly honest, I still can't understand who in the world might be profiting from that.
>>56780734
worded that wrong; it should've been 'tries to imply the opposite'.
>all the people ITT that claim libertarians don't support open borders
That's not true in my experience. All libertarians I met claim that labor should be able to freely move, of course after passing background checks (e.g. not a criminal or a terrorist).
I find that libertarianism lacks focus on the cultural and ethnic background of people, hence why I dislike it
>>56780670
If they get beat out, then that's the free market at work.
We wouldn't have this problem if we had honored voluntary association the whole time.
They would have had no reason to cross the border.
The south would have driven all the niggers into one big ghetto by now, and their population would be dwindling to nothing.
>>56780789
There is no such thing as free movement in libertarianism any more than I can walk into your house without permission.
>>56780734
The non-aggression principle is golden
>>56780818
I hear ya
>>56780789
And what, in your opinion, are those 'background checks' for? I, as a libertarian, don't want to miss out on an opportunity to have people like Chuck Berry move into my country. That doesn't automatically make me a clock-ahmed open-borders supporter.
The whole idea of 'open' borders implies that there is no hell to go through to prove that you might be wanted in the country.
>>56777801
>libertarian
hes anarcho-capitalist, the most extreme form of libertarianism there is. not exactly your average ron paul libertarian.
>>56780559
>Illegals have already broke nap
No they haven't, assuming they're not forcing you out of your home.
>as has anyone forced in by a state.
Spics aren't forced into the U.S. against their own will. Far from it.
>>56780893
If a state transitions to a libertarian order and actual social contracts then anyone in that society without permissions/ against the terms of contract is to be removed. Period.
>>56780893
They are because they consume vast amounts of welfare and their kids consume even more (whch they have a lot of)
The welfare is payed for by you involuntarily trhough government coercion.
>>56777801
Better than what
>>56780893
>Illegals have already broke nap
fuck classifying all bad Hispanics as illegals,
Hispanics in the US have over 2x the homicide rate as whites
that break NAP enough for you fuckwit?
>>56780789
>I find that libertarianism lacks focus on the cultural and ethnic background of people, hence why I dislike it
If you consider the state to be an invasive and wasteful entity then it can't really do anything for the people of a country. For the state to do anything it needs ludicrous amounts of money which it must steal. To go with a classic example: were an Estonian nationalist state set out to help the Estonian people and give them £100 each, they'd need to either tax all of them £200, take on debts or devalue currency.
There can absolutely should be a recognition of common heritage and significant stuff to protect (i.e. National Library, museums, cultural shit) but besides that statement of principle the government can't really do any of that particularly well.
>>56780867
>>56780885
See, my point is that there is no driving force that tries to preserve your culture under libertarianism.
What stops me from bringing thousands of people with my culture and take over the original one? We just need not to be criminals, we can simply overwhelm you with sheer numbers
>>56780977
>then anyone in that society without permission
Permission by what standards? By those established under the state that you reject? Because now you're just forcing out people (let's presume the illegals in question aren't violent against you or your citizens) and once again, breaking the NAP.
>>56781026
>They are because they consume vast amounts of welfare and their kids consume even more (whch they have a lot of)
Every illegal immigrant doesn't use welfare. That leaves about 30% of illegal beaners in your country who don't violate the NAP, which is still a lot.
>>56781109
See above faggot, same reasoning.
Stop trying to defend your shitty kuck ideology. NatSoc or fuck off.
>>56781224
>See, my point is that there is no driving force that tries to preserve your culture under libertarianism.
It doesn't have to be legislature.
Segregation was like, legit, and stuff, until it became fucking illegal for private parties to let them know that they weren't welcome and tie everyone to a post so hordes of angry niggers could go around kicking everyone in the balls and calling that a victory.
>>56781224
A military force we pay to slaughter anyone entering our Volks territory. Why do you ask?
>>56781315
Violation of property or contract is grounds for defence.
>>56781224
>What stops me from bringing thousands of people
Nothing. What is stopping thousands of people right now? Nothing.
The difference is that right now, the millions of people come because they get free shit. Why would your people come?
>>56781315
>illegal beaners
>illegal
>didnt violate NAP
wat
>>56781332
ALL of that shit fell apart when the federal government declared that it was unconstitutional to tell niggers to fuck off and go get their groceries in niggerland.
>>56780789
If you think culture should be backed by government mandates you're already a kuck, family.
>>56781224
>See, my point is that there is no driving force that tries to preserve your culture under libertarianism.
The mistake you make is that you presume the state is the best agent to ward off such an invasion or that it would not actually welcome a block of new voters eager to grant them more power.
In the case of such an invasion or perceived threats the citizens would react accordingly and organise self-defence (think one of the European nationalist paramilitary groups but less of an empty show), call for a vote to stop all immigration and close the borders, and with no multiculturalism or political correctness around free association and the lack of gimmedats would sort the problem out.
There's nothing to say that a common sense libertarian society can't recognise that other cultures breed like rabbits and therefore it is self-defence to restrict movement, and invite people only from those countries whose population is capable of assimilation.
>>56781610
forgot pic
I call myself a pragmatist. If limited welfare lowers crime and boosts GDP, wages and opportunity for entrepreneurs then so be it.
Strict ideology is a disease, albeit not as harmful as full blown kulti liberalism.
RIP based Harper.
>>56781559
I disagree. CRTC mandated content has served us pretty well, hell 4 of the top 10 on billboard got there because of it most likely.
CBC was great until it went kulti.
>>56778872
>Communism if you value being poor and hungry
Kek'd
But you speak my mind anon. Philosophy does turn you into a miserable cunt. But an enlightened miserable cunt. At least i have a sense of humour, and can entertain myself in the meaninglessness of it all. And that wins over any particular political leaning any day.
We can't do anything. We're in debt to the Jews. We buy all their shit for war, and we're going in debt cus of it for wars they purposely start forprofit. Wish the country would focus on our citizens instead of messing with others
