I don't understand the pledge of allegiance in schools. I may be some teenager who is just being curious or edgy but I just can't understand why we do this every single day. I one day just found myself looking around at everyone that was doing it, the words trailed off as everyone finished.
For a a few years now, every time we have to say it I only stand, I do not speak the words nor do I place my hand on my heart, I just cannot see why we have to pledge allegiance to a country while covering out heart to the flag every single day, I didn't grow up here why should I pour out patriotism every single day to a country I do not have respect for?
So /pol/, tell me, am I just an edgy disrespectful dirt bag teenager or does any else see my point?
sounds cultish.
also:
>One nation, under GOD
>freedom of religion
WHAT
>>56760775
>i may be some teenager
UNDERAGE B&
>>56761180
The cult of 'murica
>>56760775
Go read Nothing But the Truth by Avi, it'll fit your level or retardation.
>>56760775
>lol look guize Im in highschool and I'm so edgy. I'm probably not even white so I would never understand what it means for the white student's whose ancestors built this country to admire the greatest country in the world
You are what's wrong with this country. Get out.
>>56760775
When I was a edgy atheist, I would say the pledge loud enough for people to hear when I didn't say "under God". When people asked why, I would say because it wasn't included into the original version and I don't want to appease the fanatical Knights of Columbus. Nobody would know what I was talking about which gave me a degenerate feeling of false righteousness.
Since I will never have to say it again, I will probably not even bother saying any word of it at all. This nation doesn't deserve respect.
>>56760775
if they start doing it at the grocery store/gas station..
it's a cult
>>56761793
/thread
>>56760775
It's pretty edgy tbqh, but you don't sound like a dirt bag.
The pledge is a tradition, like any you might find in any religion, or during sporting events etc. It's kind of a conservative thing, having traditions that is, which I think is why some people like yourself become curious about them at some point.
Basically, we do the same thing repeatedly, in this case vocally, at certain times to remember and/or revere something. In this case, the country we live in and what we're all supposed to be about. I'm going to take a wild guess and assume you didn't go to any kind of church growing up?
True story. I used to say the pledge of allegiance at my preschool everyday.
My first day of kindergarten I complained to my dad that it was no good.
It turned out my only excuse was that we didn't say the pledge of allegiance in the morning.
I just didn't want to go to a new school is that so hard for a 5 year old to understand.
>>56760775
Every teenager sees your point, because it's a position to have as an edgy teenager. This country supports you and is your home. The least you could do is show it some respect. But that's beyond the capabilities of your average fedora wearing edgelord.
>>56761815
Then get the fuck out, seriously. If you don't appreciate it, leave. It's easier than ever. Go to whatever European shit hole you please.
>>56761974
Not really, my mother is very Christian. I see your point and stand and place my hand over the national anthem and all that.
>>56760775
Nationalism at its finest.
Look who got it removed though
>godless kikes
Why?
Because leftist ideology can't thrive in a nationalist society.
Why would anyone want leftist ideology to thrive?
Well if you're trying to destroy the nation and establish your own rule over it. You can do it without firing bullets or wars by indoctrinating an entire generation.
But of course you won't believe any of this because you been indoctrinated yourself.
>>56761793
I am white, my mother is English and father New York(en/an?) And I realize I sound quite edgy, as I said in the post so I expected this type of response.
>>56761793
>>56761706
>>56761463
Give me your best argument for the specific rehearsal of this pledge every day without resorting to an emotional appeal to self righteous patriotism.
It is fucking cultish and non practical. Nobody gains patriotism or respect for something when they are forced admire it for it's own sake.
33 “Again, you have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘Do not break your oath, but fulfill to the Lord the vows you have made.’ 34 But I tell you, do not swear an oath at all: either by heaven, for it is God’s throne; 35 or by the earth, for it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King. 36 And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black. 37 All you need to say is simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything beyond this comes from the evil one.
>>56762149
It cost a lot of money to renounce your citizenship so it isn't easy at all.
>>56760775
youre simply seeing a continuous indoctrination process which bins you to a set of nationalistic idealogies which can be exploited for profit y the powers that be once you are released into the system.
heres the kicker...the country you mindlesslty pledge allegiance to day after day doesn't give a fuck about you. And neither o the teachers that try to push you to do it, you are just a source of revenue and another young mind being conditioned to servitude to them.
>>56762321
That's relevant, but honestly this country was purposefully not founded on Christianity. Hence the freedom of religion clause in the first amendment.
>>56762149
"If you do not speak these words every day in the environment you are learning, then leave this country" Lot's o' love here..
>>56762282
I need some terms defined first. What constitutes an "emotional appeal to self righteous patriotism"? Also how do you define "cultish"?
UNDERAGE. GTFO
>>56762591
"I live here and receive the benefits and freedoms of the first world because this place exists, yet I refuse to be thankful for and proud of it" Doesn't say much for your ability to be respectful, which doesn't exactly get you admiration from your countrymen.
Are you a sports fan?
>>56762781
do brits sing the anthem everday?
if you really think about it, the "pledge" is a cult like chant.
>>56760775
Civic ritual, shared observances, help hold a society together. That's really all there is to it.
I thought canada stopped it 20 years ago but i guess some schools still do it
>>56763030
I'm not thankful for a president that hates this country, or a congress of bought and paid for useful idiots, or a govt that doesn't even follow it's own laws; the constitution.
I served my country in the military, and while I love what it used to represent, I hate what it has become, and I refuse to pledge my allegiance to this country or gov't.
>>56763030
Not really a sports fan. But when I speak about my beliefs in a school with a "gay-straight alliance" and "democrat" club, I get threatened, harassed, and having faculties talk to my parents about reading a lot of books about the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, and the holocaust. When I am already very outnumbered (Even in Utah) At least see why I am having doubts
Going through school, I don't recall ever giving a fuck about what it said, just went through it like whatever
What kinda faggot cares this much about this shit?
>>56763398
So leave faggot. I expect better from someone who served. You of all people should know that when you pledge allegiance to this country, it's through thick and thin. Don't like the gov't? Vote for less gov't. Call up your congressman. Write letters. Read up, and then VOTE.
Act, you fucking coward, or get the fuck out
>>56762602
Example:
>>56761793
This person is trying to persuade OP that he should feel bad that he does not admire this country enough to repeat the pledge. He implies that he should say the pledge because it is a homage to the people that built this country which he believes are deserving of unquestionable praise.
Basically empty non-convincing words.
It is cultish because it is a practice that demands 100% conformity given by the fact that some students get in trouble for not saying it.
I want a logical argument for the pledge being an objective benefit when forced repetition makes it lose all value and necessity.
>>56760775
>didn't grow up here
GET OUT, BUILD WALL
>>56763030
>it is impossible to be thankful for and proud of this country without repeating a pledge to it every school day
Interestingly enough, I would bet everything I own that if adults were forced to make this pledge everyday before work or college class then people like you would be on the opposite side and oppose its triviality.
FIFO- FIT IN or FUCK OFF
>>56763426
Yeah, well I'm gonna go ahead and assume that you live in a pretty crazy (normal) area. I was convinced in highschool that anarchosynicalism was the way to go. My mother was horrified, and teachers were equally disgusted. And I live in Cali. But my mom, being smart as fuck, knew it was a phase and mostly left me alone so I could work it out on my own.
I would encourage you to read up on all you can, so you can gain a broad perspective on the world and our country. Just don't forget that you live here, and are protected and supported by it. The pledge is obviously not compulsory, just so you know, but it doesn't hurt to show some respect now and then. Like taking your cap off during the anthem.
>>56760775
get out of my country then faggot
>>56763570
>>56760775
The only reason the pledge existed was to combat the USSR
Now that they are gone, nationalism and the entire purpose of the pledge are dead
>>56763885
Did you read my first post >>56761974 ?
Also, yes I would love if we had more ceremony as adults. The closest I can get is the anthem before a game. Pretty sad. Lot of people complaining about the state of the country, but have forgotten/are too lazy to try and fix it
The pledge is actually an oath to the devil for your soul.
>kikes trying their darnest to make some sort of "nation" out of that festering shithole kolhoz known as the US.
Good Luck With That Little Number schlomo
>>56764051
Don't be ignorant man. The reason this country sucks right now is that the "normal" people don't care anymore.
And get right the fuck outta here with the redneck meme. That's reddit tier tbqh
>>56760775
America is the way it is now because of useless people like you. If you actively moved into America then you are American now. Clearly you left your beloved homeland for some reason so saying your still from that country doesnt help anyone here. Quit trying to exclude yourself, we're supposed to work together to see any success.
If you dont like it then please get the fuck out, I'm sure we won't miss a thing
>>56763398
>I served my country in the military
Should have stayed in it, worked up your ranks till you got into the position of classified infos and sold them to Chinese or Norks, they pay top cake to usful idiots in murkas "armed forces".
You'd be set for retirement in just a couple of years.
I think it's a bad idea.
I think it conditions people to unconditionally respect authority.
>>56763807
cal down retard he probably got here legally
American nationalism makes me rock hard.
>>56764126
Unfortunately the pledge has no effect on an emotionally crippled nation. I would value it if this country had a common goal and a sense of personally responsibility to improving our lives.
But now? Now they are meaningless words of a nation in denial that its greatness has been outsourced.
I think you are too harsh on the general pubic.
In order for a person to be happy, they have to do things that fulfill their personal values. They have to achieve and do something of that improves each other's life. Tough luck though, the manufacturing job market has been shipped over seas leaving Americans to fight over minimum and low paying jobs. These jobs provide minimal fulfillment and thus the nation gradually gets more depressed because they view their lives as non important.
Then you have corporate snake oil sale men selling life fulling value in a can, replacing your desire to DO something with a desire to BUY something. This kills the spirit.
So you have a country where the majority of people make less than $30,000 a year and have to work harder to survive which distracts them from being able to see (and for that matter do anything to stop) corporations buying their way into our lawless legislature to further put things in their favor.
You think people are too lazy to fix things? How about being too poor, overworked, and emotionally crippled.
>>56765069
>I think it conditions people to unconditionally respect authority.
Assuming you grow up all by yourself, with no context and guidance given by your parents/family/mentors, yes.
Something we take for granted is our upbringing, which hopefully included some insight like "but do what's right", "the gov't can and does get it wrong, but that's why we're here, and the gov't's faults reflect probable faults in ourselves"
>>56760775
Indoctrination you wanker. Say something enough times you will believe it.
>>56765490
Ah, a cynic.
I know, it's easy to become jaded with all the shit that takes place here, but what I'm saying is that there's no magic cure to what ails us. The only thing that will fix this country is guts and drive, to promote solidarity as a nation.
You have to respect the place that we all live in (whether we had a choice or not), and take part in our society by voting and whatnot. Sitting back and being sad about it does nothing. Bonus points for starting a rally or something. I would personally speak if asked to, I have nothing but admiration for the dream of a country the founding fathers wanted.
>>56760775
1) underaged b&
2) being a cunt and protesting once is fine
3) having no respect for this country means you should get the fuck out Paco.
>>56760775
If you don't like it, you can get the fuck out.
>>56766066
>>56766226
>>56764560
>>56763998
>>56762149
>>56761793
nationalism is not the law, BTW
>>56766373
no, it's free
just like you're free to join a cult
>>56766373
No one said that man.
>I live in a house
>it has holes in some of the walls, a leaky roof, and water damage on the southeast corner
>oh well guess I'll just curse it and continue living in these conditions
This is why you should just leave. Seriously, we won't miss an unproductive, apathetic nobody
>>56765975
And I don't think the pledge will give people any guts or drive. Most people lack the ability to be self driven, they need to be told what to do or how to live. But if I could have a platform to speak at a rally, I would promoting what you said: vote.
For fucks sake, we have local elections where corrupt incumbents run unopposed. If voting became mainstream, this nation could change entirely in a decade. We the people literally have the power to topple the house of cards D.C. stands on if we had confidence in our ability to vote. Unfortunately we are to distracted by our daily lives to realize this and neither major party is going to give the secret away.
>>56766805
Well, no. It pales in comparison to what we're talking about now.
But hey, it takes 20 seconds to say (proudly), and confesses to a room of people that you care.
>and to the Republic, for which [the flag] stands.
directly acknowledges the reason voting is important, but no one really talks about it.
White people: If the gubbermint does this or that, I got my gun
But if that same gubbermint is shooting their fellow black citizens, they're 100% behind it.
Okay if we're edgy high schoolers I have you beat by a mile, OP.
>>56760775
It could have been worse. This is what they made us chant for 8 years:
>I am a Turk, honest and hardworking. My principle is to protect the younger to respect the elder, to love my homeland and my nation more than myself. My ideal is to rise, to progress.
>O Great Atatürk! On the path that you have paved, I swear to walk incessantly toward the aims that you have set.
>My existence shall be dedicated to the Turkish existence. How happy is the one who says "I am a Turk!".
It's brimming with lies from the first sentence on. Thankfully it was annulled in 2013.
>>56768024
You look like a future school shooter
>>56762226
>Because leftist ideology can't thrive in a nationalist society.
National -socialism- is leftist. Leftism does not consist purely of triggered campus kiddies.
>left = bad, right = good
>>>/kikebart/
>>56768410
Thanks, I get that a lot.
Kinda makes sense. Nobody ever explained it and just had us blindly saying it. Now, I'm glad to be living in America, but it is kinda BS. Wouldn't wanna live anywhere else though.
>>56761253
>implying atheism isn't a faith-based religion
>>56768481
foolish Turk. he said nothing about socialism. Patriotism and modern leftist beliefs are mortal enemies. Lefties want to topple society, live by "imma do wat aimma do" standards, whereas patriots have a unified foundation of morals they uphold. BTW what are you doing in here? This is a thread about America
>>56768794
>Lefties want to topple society, live by "imma do wat aimma do" standards, whereas patriots have a unified foundation of morals they uphold.
So the Soviet Union, Maoist China and North Korea aren't leftist, but Ayn Rand is?
>>56763651
>when forced repetition makes it lose all value and necessity
Proof? Not just your shitty opinion?
>>56769201
opposite you idiot. Ayn Rand = less gov't (conservative/right), failed states you mentioned = more gov't (liberal/left). For the most part.
How's it going over there in Shitistan? Been nuked by Russia yet?
>>56760775
MODSMODSMODS
MOOOOOOOOODS
>>56769439
You don't get it, do you? Those failed states "have a unified foundation of morals they uphold" i.e. they're collectivist, whereas Ayn Rand embodied the "imma do wat aimma do" standard that you attributed to leftism. You operate on a false dichotomy in which right is a synonym for good and left a synonym for bad, when politics is much more complicated than that. Mussolini and Hitler stood against both leftist communism and rightist capitalism, against which they advocated a third way which upholds the nation. Nationalism is separate from the left and the right, and so is individualism.
And I couldn't be happier about Erdogan getting his kike ass kicked by Putin. Pic related.
>>56768759
>implying anon is not a non-religious pure agnostic
>>56762149
I used to feel that way. Then I got an idea of just how fucking corrupt our shitbag government is. It's about the culture, friends and family. That is what is to love. But seriously, fuck our government sideways with a yucca.
All governments are shitbag governments. There is no place to go.
>>56769607
What are the mods going to do? Delete a perfectly on topic thread?
Just downvote him if you are so booty blasted that someone violated your safespace
>>56764304
>>56768598
you ARE a future school shooter
burn all your shit and delete your photos before you do it at least, we need a board to shitpost
>>56769607
An American calling for censorship.
Fucking SJW.
>>56762484
>continuous indoctrination process which bins you to a set of nationalistic idealogies which can be exploited for profit y the powers that be once you are released into the system
because liberalism totally isn't exactly that
kek
the authoritarians
http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/
>>56769823
I do understand that. Tbh I didn't want to type out a multi-paragraph essay about politics.
But to get to your original point, in America at least, a "leftist ideology" excludes nationalism entirely. In fact, everything that has been upheld as a traditional value is being fired upon nowadays. Go to reddit, those Keks will tell you themselves.
>something something national cult hurts our special snowflake feelings due to race/sex/etc.
They can't coexist, (American) leftism and nationalism
>>56760775
Why do we do it?
Beyond creating basic ideas of what some american ideologies are, it keeps flag companies in business.
Should we do it?
Personally, the alternative is to add it to the list of 'things people do to become citizens but no citizen really knows it', and I hate that list.
No I don't think your edgy or anything but don't go off in a rebellion act.
>>56762226
The pledge of allegiance was written by a socialist...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Bellamy
>>56770546
Fuck dude, people should have to pass a citizenship test before they can vote. I'd rather it be more rigorous than that, actually.
>>56761463
>What is 18
But really, underage b&
>>56760775
I never said the Pledge of Allegiance in high school.
True patriotism is understanding the core values of your nation and doing what you can to preserve them. Pledging your allegiance to authority is the most anti-American thing you can do.
People who say the pledge of allegiance usually just seek the validation of others.
>HEY EVERYBODY, LOOK HOW PATRIOTIC I AM
>>56770697
Truth. What would less ignorant voters mean for this coming election though? Gimme an estimate, as a thought experiment
>ignoring the shitposters as best I can, for my country
>>56770786
You're a total idiot.
>>56770412
>American leftism and nationalism can't coexist
Yes they can.
>I love this nation and the people in it. In my view, the best way to protect them is to provide economic safety nets and enhancing government programs.
Boom. Leftist nationalism.
>>56770904
Cool man
>>56770858
Holy fuck dude, I don't know. Part of the problem is that we are never given decent candidates to begin with. This is undiscovered country for us living today.
Ask yourself this: If 10 years ago, if somebody had told you Trump would have an actual shot at the WH, how would you have reacted? I won't vote for him because he is for another assault weapon ban. But there are no other candidates that have a shot at making it to the general election that I would vote for either.
Note: I'm done voting for the lesser of two evils. Fuck evil candidates.
>>56766373
>nationalism is not the law, BTW
True, but when the OP's position becomes common place and you no longer have pride in your nation (notice, I didn't say government), then the nation becomes weak. I look at Europe and how the repressed their nationalism to the point to where even the flag is frowned upon. What happens? You have people submitting to whatever that government wants even if it means destroying that nation. I look at Germany and Sweden and I do not want that.
So yes, people need to mock and be harsh on people like OP. Are identity as Americans is not from some common culture heritage that spans thousands of years, but rather people deciding that they are Americans and not whatever they came from.
>>56770904
What has your country done lately that has made you actually want to say the pledge. Loyalty works both ways.
>>56760775
>I didn't grow up here why should I pour out patriotism every single day to a country I do not have respect for?
>not having respect for the most powerful country in history, and the country that you sit comfy in and call home
get the fuck out you unappreciative faggot
>>56771279
Nothing lately.
>>56771279
Funny how that coincidences with the era of political correctness.
>>56771612
No, it's not funny. It's not funny at all.
>>56771706
There are white people out their that would submit to any race due to their suffrage.
>>56771003
So you're a sane liberal. I don't mind. That's someone I can have a discussion with.
I don't know where you live or what they play on TV there, but in my area no "leftist" says they love their nation. They hate it, because nationalism counters individualism. And all mainstream liberals campaign on individualism. Social issues. Which are important, but are not the whole picture. Sadly, most voters who are democrat vote for them based on their beliefs on social issues (abortion, gay rights, etc), and swallow the rest of their ideas wholeheartedly. I'm not saying right wingers don't, but the left seems to be the most in favor of "free stuff for me".
In my honest opinion, those that say "I love this nation, the best way to take care of them is free shit from the government, donated by the people" are young. Very young, like, haven't had their first real paycheck, complete with taxes young. Complete leftist nationalism seems like my idealistic self in high school. We thought everything was so simple.
>>56772037
I don't necessarily agree with >>56771003; it's just an example of leftism and nationalism coexisting.
>>56772037
>>56772154
I'll agree that they rarely do in modern America, though.
Needs to be banned from schools. Enough with the brainwashing.
>>56763242
My kids still do it. They stop do it at hockey games. Idk why they would stop doing it now.
>>56772250
what province?
>>56772154
>>56772186
That's fair enough. So what the actual fuck do we do about the c.ucks from both sides that just can't understand? Very polarized country. I must admit, one of the reasons I like Trump is that he seems to really be more about the economic issues of the country. The whole wall thing, while important, is more of a meme. Trade deals and job creation/retention seem much more important.
>>56768759
My favourite flavor of ice cream is no ice cream too.
>>56772352
Alberta, south of Calgary.
>pic related
>>56772551
that's what I would have guessed, Alberta is pretty conservative. the bible belt of canada
>>56772250
Holy fuck, myself among many others, stopped a hockey game once, and I live in the US. far from a Northern latitude. I saw footage on the local news where the players from both teams were watching us. The fight we were involved in was big enough to stop the players so that we could watch us. I came to find out the next day that we had started the fight. I didn't know about the dip cup thrown on the frat boys with a one of our guys, having thrown said cup, standing up saying "WHATEVER THE FUCK IT WAS, I DID IT." Oh, fuck, they were just as drunk as we were, but we had the high ground.
The start of wars aren't much different. The end result is. Everybody at the end of that fight was laughing.
>>56772471
I like Trump too. Wrote an article for my school newspaper supporting him.
We need a revival of a passion and understanding of the basic values of liberty and freedom. People need to read and understand the Enlightenment philosophies that were appropriated into the founding documents of the United States. They need to understand what truly sets America apart from the rest of the world. Shit like:
>freedom of expression
>freedom of religion
>freedom to peacefully assemble
>freedom to own firearms
>protection from unreasonable search and seizure
>personal autonomy and responsibility
>a government that (ideally) serves the people, not the other way around
>guaranteed trial by jury of peers
People on the Right too often get enamored by the symbolism and think that's sufficient.
People on the Left, well, don't get me started.
That said, fuck refugees. Islam is a cancer.
>>56773142
>People on the Left, well, don't get me started.
Fuck that. Get started. Don't be a puss.
>>56773459
I don't have all night, gotta go to bed soon
I was gonna try this >>56767487
here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXbuP19AWDM
I bet it would have triggered. it's full of /pol/tards. maybe tomorrow
>>56773142
You're bro-tier just so you know.
I think
>personal autonomy and responsibility
trumps them all though. For example, what is the right to peacefully assemble if some use it to chimp out for no reason (Chicago last night)? That shit blows my mind. We are so retarded sometimes.
And yes, the right does get caught up in the symbolism. And the left obviously has disdain for it. I call for /moderate/-ish. We need more public figures who don't really have a dog in this fight to participate. Sadly, that's hard to come by right now.
But, the fact that a neurosurgeon and a businessman are having semi-successful campaigns for president is highly motivating for me. I grew up believing that anyone can be president, not just senators and congressmen who are already bought and sold by their party.
I have hope, America will honestly probably always be GOAT, despite being slightly autistic
>>56773142
>founding fathers cult
cancer tbqh family
>>56773607
>cult
Are you syrias m8. Back under that rock from which you crept. We don't need you.
>>56773478
Fuck that. I've gotta be up early enough to have the smoker going for Thanksgiving. Low and slow. Unless you're in the Eastern time zone, y ou've got time to go off on what the fuck pisses you off.
The trick is, can you go off, then go to bed.
>>56773549
Thanks m8. Totally agree on the Trump/Carson campaign success bit.
If you give a shit, I can give you the name of the newspaper I write for. Don't want to doxx myself here, but you can do some easy searching and find it.
If you care, I won't take offense if you don't.
>>56773607
>cult
tip-top meme
You don't have to be in a cult to agree with somebody
>>56773756
>Eastern Time Zone
that's me
>>56760775
>I didn't grow up here why should I respect this state's institutions?
Multiculturalism in action, folks.
The salad bowl is dangerous, if you can't get with the melting pot then go back to allahu-ackbaristan sand nigger.
>>56773766
Can't tell if that last line was a riddle or not. That said, I'm fairly drunk at this point. But, I don't think anyone cares but you or I about this thread
>>56773803
In that case, I know how this shit works. You're going to want to stay up longer than you absolutely know you should. Go to fucking bed. Do not respond.
But you want to know who is saying what.
Go to fucking bed.
>>56760775
>not pledging allegiance to your country
Don't like it, get the fuck out
You honor our land with your promise of blood or you don't get to stay here.
Though admittedly I have hated this country ever since Jefferson was president and the years during the Civil War I actually liked Dixie despite its spitting on the Constitution.
But this is still you homeland and you do best to respect it before it decides to disrespect you in kind
>>56773943
ok
I write for the Wesleyan Argus. Contribute a couple times a month
Look back through my posts ITT and you can find everything you need.
>>56760775
It's done in order to breed patriotism in the dumber people.
>>56760775
how else are we going to instill immigrant kids with a sense of american national identity?
shit like this is part of the reason we are so much better at integrating people than europe
>>56774161
>don't like it, get the fuck out
>haven't liked this country since Jefferson was president
Since Jefferson was president? News flash, nigger - he was the 3rd president out 40-some odd. We've been around a full 110 years give or take since he was president. If you don't like it, you and yours could've easily gotten the fuck out a LONG ass time ago.
>>56760775
Normally I just lurk.
I don't often post my thoughts on anything here.
For starters, to declare your allegiance in itself is a good thing, especially your country. This country in and of itself isn't as jaded at most on /pol/ would have you believe. (I do agree somethings are about as fucked up as one can make them in this day an age)
To say that it is your right to not pledge allegiance to an administration is not just a right but is a requirement.
Yes you have the right to object to the current state of affairs doesn't preclude you from the obligation to affirm your allegiance to object from those requirements.
You're pledging your alliance to the republic, because of what it exists for, not who is leading it. Just because you don't like who's in office doesn't mean you abandon what the actual government stands for, contrary to what most of the media would have you believe.
If its the 'Under God' part you have an objection to, then look for stuff during the 3rd great awakening. "In God We Trust" didn't show up until then either. Essentially all of that was a bastardization of that moment with the cold war steeping in the background.
IF you argue about liberty and justice for all, then well seppuku yourself and hari kari your way into oblivion
>>56762271
New Yorkean? Try New Yorker.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhKGtgcZghc
>>56775238
Clarify: You don't have to support a specific adminstration.
you do have a requirement to support the system that put them in power.
>>56760775
it's a nationalism thing
>>56774597
We tried to secede and instead of being allowed to we were forced to stay
Don't you know our history faggot?
Also Jefferson became president in 1801, we became a country in 1783. That's only 18 years
>>56774384
>>56775713
seems cultish
>>56774384
it like when people say, if you don't believe in god, what stops you from killing people?
>>56762271
> New York(en/an
>idiots still don't know what it's used for
When you lose your passport in a foreign country or if there is ever a war in our homeland you dumb asses will finally realize how important it is to have this shit memorized. For example:
>get captured in a war
>have to prove american without documentation
>get asked to repeat the pledge
>can't
>get shot and die because foreign invader
KEK
>>56777218
this is why republicans make me laugh.
why do they like trump? because he's successful.
but he inherited his money and went bankrupt how many times?
cruz. after bitching obama should be impeached because he was born kenyan for 7 years
>>56777948
the us started to go down hill when the righteous right started voting
those people didn't vote until the mid 60s
it's easy to test
if you know a rightwinger, ask for policy details of why they're are voting for cruz or whoever. they probably won't know much unless their church/close friends told them.
