Why aren't you beating a fascist?
Because I am a fascist
>>56743487
Please take a step towards the gulag, single file.
>>56743427
I am, I'm beating my meat
>>56743427
>mfw anti fascists are quite literally and unironically supporting authoritarian capitalism in Europe
Why?
>>56743427
>Antifa
>tough
>Not the definition of cu cks
Not gay.
>>56743427
Because I am a fascist
>>56743625
Cause they're idiots who are comfortable in the bourgeois as fuck societies
Jokes on you buddy, I started a club at my university for leftist nationalism :^)
Can't officially call it fascism or else I'll get v& tho
>>56743427
Going to bring your fists to a gun fight?
>>56743784
>that image
I thought these fuckers are against guns
>>56743836
Nah, I'm armed. Symbols are just one means to fight.
>>56743850
Liberal fucks maybe.
There's nothing wrong with being both nationalist and socialist. Merging the two ideologies together creates something a little more moderate yet special. I miss Hitler.
>2016
>Whites aren't Odalists yet
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odalism#Political_affiliation
Because I am a fascist.
Saged and reported commie
>>56743969
>mixing oppressive ideals and anti-oppressive ideals.
yeah okay.
>>56744063
What, hurting your safe space fascist?
>>56744067
>socialism
>anti-oppressive
>Stalin dindu nuffin
inb4 never tried before.
>>56744067
Please elaborate, kek.
>go to the grocery store
>see motorcycle
>"this machine kills fascists" a sticker on it says
>can't knock it over, too many people around
>steal the helmet instead
literally a true story
>>56744194
Oppression against the bourgeois is oppression, yes. But much like killing slave masters and monarchs is oppression, it must be done.
>>56744283
I hope you took a shit in it and threw it in the dumpster afterward
>if you can't win the argument, resort to violence
Human race in a nutshell.
>>56743427
I know the guy who made this image he's a deviantart communist antifascist he's about as fucking annoying as you would expect.
>>56743969
What exactly is wrong with national socialism?
>>56744412
>>56744309
I get the feeling that if and when your socialist utopia comes around you will be the first to be lined up and shot.
Your kind usually are.
>>56744309
Nice seeing Comrades on /pol/.
Are you organized?
>>56744433
link/name pls
Always interested in different views. Even if they are retarded.
Also both sides suck tbqh
>>56744248
Who is the worker? Those who have to labor for a paycheck. The worker knows no nation, no race, no gender, no sex. If you fight for socialist only for your nation, the capitalist of the world will crush you. Socialism must be international, for every worker if it hopes to succeed.
>>56744412
Fascist don't offer an argument.
>>56744607
I didn't realize I was a monarchist, a fascist, or a capitalist.
>>56744309
>60 million slave masters were killed in Russia. Damn ure one dumb Vladumir, arent you?
>>56744776
No, I live in a conservative state where even our democratic party identifies as centrist. Few comrades around here. I think the IWW has a presence though.
>>56745021
Nah, just a useful idiot. Your kind are shot first, by your "own" people.
>>56743427
I'm not a kekold nor am I a homosexual.
>>56745049
>60 million
Is that you Robert conquest? Even the worst numbers backed by evidence put it around 20 million, and that's if they're directly responsible for every famine they had. Remove the famines and you're down to about 6 million, nothing compared to the fascist and the capitalist.
>>56744895
http://party9999999.deviantart.com
fair warning this person is a very pro communist and very antifascist
its unlikely your going to have decent conversation with them if you show any sign of being pro facist Nazi capitalist imperialism
>>56745137
Well, be prepared for the gas chambers when your kind make them.
>>56744958
Antifas saying that. Kek
Why are communism and fascism so opposed to each other despite being somewhat similar?
>>56745758
todays communists ignore the oppression and atrocities committed during the 20th century
>>56745758
One's super-nationalist, hierarchical, fine with capitalist as long as they play along, and turns every man into a machine of the social order.
The other is about the liberation of mankind from hierarchy, from capitalism, and from every man being a machine for the capitalist and their greed.
>>56743427
Why are you a cuxck to the establishment?
>>56745258
>Is that you Robert conquest? Even the worst numbers backed by evidence put it around 20 million, and that's if they're directly responsible for every famine they had. Remove the famines and you're down to about 6 million, nothing compared to the fascist and the capitalist.
>marxist idiots actually believe this
39 million died in or on the way to forced labor camps alone
>>56744905
Can you explain why nationalism is bad? The way I see it it's the thing filthy capitalists hate the most because they can't sell you your heritage
>>56746018
can we also count all the suffering caused by the dictator ships created in the name of communism?
>media students and baristas fighting anyone
Sounds like fun to me
>>56744776
>>56745108
>comrade
am i on reddit?
>>56746018
>Robert Conquest, is that you?
The amount to die in the Gulag is roughly 3 million, 2 of which was during WW2 when resources for prisoners were basically non-existant.
>>56745049
Not even the most butthurt Balt or Pole believe in these numbers. B8
>>56745108
What organizations do you identify with then?
>>56745258
The 20-60 million figure is a hoax. First they started with the hoax of 10 million killed because of the system (more were saved by far), which I believe was Nazi figures. After WW2 they needed to make Soviet and Stalin worse than Nazi-Germany and Hitler for the anti-Communist effect (worse than Nazis), so they started with 20 million and ended up with 60 million.
It is an effective figure, because people would end up believe that 10 or 20 million is a conservative number. The truth is that even 10 million is exaggerated.
Robert Conquest was a paid CIA-shill, just google it for the ones that do not know. Literally any Wikipedia article where he is the source, you know it is bullshit.
>>56745758
Because they are the complete opposition. Because cold-war propaganda try to paint fascists and communists as the same, does not make them the same.
>>56743427
Cause smelly antifa have AIDS and the only actual fascists are the CasaPound guys in Italy and I couldn't give a shit.
>>56745976
>The other is about the liberation of mankind from hierarchy, from capitalism, and from every man being a machine for the capitalist and their greed.
In theory, and only in theory.
>>56746144
Depends on what you mean by nationalism. Capitalist are international in scope precisely because workers are as well. They're perfectly fine using nationalism to oppress workers, both within and without of that country. The thing capitalist hate most are the workers. If they could remove all workers and just live in world where machines do everything for them, they'd do that. Only reason workers still exist is because they need us.
>>56743427
Because there are no BLM shitheads in my country.
>>56746018
>marxist idiots actually believe this
Wait, man. Are you for real? Is this what they teach you in American schools? Or is it sheer Nazi-propaganda.
39 million died in Forced labour camps alone, (I assume you mean from 1924-1939 and 1945-53) as the other periods was civil war or world war.
Then, a minimum of 20 million starved.
And what about the millions that naturally die in any country and system?
And on top of that, 27 million died in WW2.
Are you telling me that half of the population died, and yet they became the 2. industrial power just after the US that had a 100 year head start?
Do you actually believe this?
>>56746341
What is this highschool? "it only works on paper" is laziest argument ever. It's true that socialist states in the past have succumbed, but how much of that is to blame for the communist themselves, their ideology, or counter-revolutionary forces such as international capitalist?
>>56743427
>a leftist
>beating anything except themselves off
top lel, have you seen the sort of rejects who stick these posters up? i saw a couple of guys putting up something similar on campus at night (not that aggressive but something edgy and marxist and red) a few months back and confronted them about it. i'd been drinking and they were both skellington manlets, probably male feminists as well. basically looked like stereotypical college communists. i probably shouted at rather than talked to them like i thought i was doing, but they both stuttered a bit then walked away quickly.
i can guarantee they then went and posted some story on leddit or some other forum about how they ruined the day of some brutish nazi to try and make themselves feel better.
>>56746738
>"it only works on paper" is laziest argument ever.
Not really m8. It has NEVER worked as advertised and it has been tried dozens of times.
Cue "that wasn't REAL socialism!".
>>56746293
I don't identify with any groups right now. Many have my admiration. I like the industrial sabotage and militant unionism of the IWW. I like the grass-roots and local focus of SAlt. I'm currently looking at the ISO and DSA, although I think the DSA is a bunch of social democrats and liberals.
Ok you fucking kids I'll spell it out for ya.
Industrialism is a neutral beast. Combined with nationalism it sends us to the stars. Combined with capitalism it gives us just enough of our basic needs and entertainment that we don't overthrow it. Judaism and everything that stems from it (Christianity, Islam, Marxism, Feminism, etc.) are INHERENTLY PARASITIC in nature and only exist to drain life from a folk. Socialism, despite it's potential for glory, still holds down our human desires of freedom and personal glory. Make of these facts what you will
>>56746893
Good thing I'm not a pansy.
>>56743427
Cause they would smash you.
Video related.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvxQLlmEG_s
>communists
>not a meme
>>56746341
So, most Communists today believe that Soviet with Stalin and Lenin and China with Mao saw great progress for the people.
But also accknowledge that they failed in being Communist, but on the right path. (Socialism and -Communism is two different things).
What Communists lack experience with, is seeing Socialism last long enough to rid society of Classes, Capitalism and the oppression that follows completly.
What happened in China and Soviet was that new Bourgoisie classes formed despite Stalin and Mao fighting it.
So the flaw is that we lack experience - but you know Capitalism is a relatively young system.
>>56746994
> still holds down our human desires of freedom and personal glory
Are you talking about nationalism? A belief that you should subjugate yourself to the state for the betterment of your nation? Freedom for who? Not you.
And lol at marxism being parasitic. You mean a ideology that specifically fights against the parasitic capitalist classes and other parasites of surplus labor?
>>56743850
Its modern day Red Army propaganda.
Commies have my respect.
The polarized political entities always have my respect. Except for the stoners.
>>56744309
>>56744776
>>56743427
>Agree with me or I'll beat you
ayyy
>>56746539
Why is your worldview limited only to the post industrial revolution era?
Let's take a moment to appreciate how little our police cares for the bitch-cries of Antifa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=469amd-1oEw
>>56747320
Wrong link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_WNsi17nDE
>>56743427
I beat myself everyday in fact I'm gonna knock a beefy fap right now
>>56747226
Is that from assemblywomen, aka "when women get a bit of power it takes them a day to ruin all of society"?
>>56746901
>dozens of times
Yeah, by backwards countries, and more than half of those dozen were due to Soviet takeover rather than legitimate movements. The other half dozen were anti-colonial militants who identified with Marxism but didn't hold on too tightly.
>>56746961
I do not know much about DSA, but they sound like European "Democratic Socialists" (old Social Democrats). If they really are Socialists (and not Centrist Capitalists like Labour Party and the likes in Europe), they will end up like them. They always do, sadly.
I could go on on why I think it is impossible to destroy Capitalism without a revolution, but I think you know.
ISO = Trotskyists? Bad news lol. You have not looked into MLM-movements/groups?
>>56747226
Yeah, pre-industrial statesmen really killed socialism before it was even a concept.
That's basically click bate "LOOK AT WHAT THIS ANCIENT SAID, COMMUNIST HATE HIM"
lel
>>56747566
Nah, they're new democratic socialism, formed in the 80s.
and I don't know much about MLM, but aren't they opposed to unions and such? I Identify a lot with syndicalism, and am not sure that's a good match.
>>56747450
Russia and eastern Europe were not at the time backward countries. Though they soon became one.
>>56743427
Because I am one. If you want to beat me, I would like to see you try. If you want to do your gang shit tho, you will get shot. 1v1 or 1v2 only.
>>56747174
Industrialism for the sake of industrialism (aka Marxism) is assbackward retarded when you could have a much happier agrarian lifestyle like our ancestors. Your argument will probably be "but this implies kings rise to power" And As long as you look to pre-Christian (product of Judaism) Europe you will find the answers. If you looked at my earlier post about Odalism you will find Mr. Varg Vikernes' explanation.
>There is the tribe
>The tribe chooses the strongest to lead
>If he becomes a tyrant they kill him and replace him.
This system worked just fine for tens of thousands of years until Semitic Christianity showed up and "muh divine right to rule" became a concept.
>>56747706
You kidding? Russia was easily one of the most backwards in Europe at the time. Hell, after they went communist they became a goddamn superpower.
>>56744283
>not writing "This Bike gasses Kikes" on some tape and taping over it
>>56747831
>Russia was easily one of the most backwards in Europe at the time.
Wrong. Here is an album of pictures of russia pre-communism.
http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/15/pre-communist-russia/2/
Bolshevic swine gtfo
>>56743427
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8WiFX1bADg
This is what communist pussies look like in real life
It's truly an achievement of Liberal propaganda that the United States, a nation founded on democracy, has been utterly convinced that an extension of democracy is equatable to authoritarianism. All you have to do to discredit an ideology is turn it's name into a dirty word so nobody knows what it means.
>>56747831
You can't decide whether you want to disavow the USSR for its 'bad communism' or praise it for being a powerful state, can you?
Also not too much of a surprise that the nation powered up quickly, given their rapid industrialization. Will have to give out awards to communists for rapid electrification of the nation and boosting literacy rates (something they seem to be effective at. I can't imagine how.)
>>56743427
Why don't you hit the showers?
Jew.
>>56747800
That doesn't account for material conditions. Tribes could only exist in low population areas. Impossible with the amount of people today. The best thing in lieu of that would be highly organized communes/syndicates that operate in a kind of labor federation so that the means of production can be communally owned and operated.
Material conditions determine how society is. You can't just will a new society into existence, the factors that make it physically possible have to exist.
>>56748051
>http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/15/pre-communist-russia/2/
Those are all very nice but it doesn't change the fact that industrial production, and literacy skyrocketed under Soviet rule, not to mention national healthcare. But either way I don't want a Stalinist system so I'm not going to defend the SU beyond what it deserved, it's just that a few of the good parts should be recognized.
>>56748205
At least the Odalists will make fine, strong slaves when the tech warlords come.
>>56744776
>56744776
Are you?
>>56743784
My grandparents were fascist and shot commies.
>>56743427
Why aren't you BEING a Fascist?
Haha. Hahaha. Haha. Ha...
:^)
>>56743427
Last time i checked it wasnt a fascist who tried to pickpocket me or mugg me.
So how about we beat uup the commies who try to shove their toxic ideology down our throats and flood our countries with refugees
>>56748132
I'm not conflicted, I have a nuanced view. Some parts were shit and some were not. Just like all places and times.
16 year old just getting into politics general?
>>56747977
Kek
>>56748297
Sure, but they also did in the west. Seeing as Russia was keeping pace with the west as far as modernisation goes before communism (as those pictures highlight), those things may simply be incidental, not caused by socialism.
>>56748205
This is why I wish every day for the happening to burn down this shitty world and hopefully I can help build it into what was lost due to Judaism
>>56748451
No, they'll just gas you. Give them time.
>>56748321
Eat a cyberdick you abo fucking weeb
>>56748514
Then you'll just reset the clock, not actually fix anything. Don't understand you're obsession with jews, it's liked they keked you or something.
>>56747698
https://ajadhind.wordpress.com/marxism-leninism-maoism-basic-course/
You can be organized as a MLM and be pro-Syndicals, as long as you do not want a system driven by profit and imperialism. MLM is more about how you organize and face certain questions.
>>56748502
>not caused by socialism
Never said they were. The USSR was always an authoritarian state that turned Conservative once Stalin got into power. The only thing Leftist about it was that it's economy presented an alternative to Capitalism.
>>56748527
No they wont. Commies will tho but after they confiscate my home to house gypsyes and "refugees"
Fascists arent dangerous. Communists are
>>56743427
>being just as authoritarian as a fascist
Fucking moron
>>56743427
Because there are like no fascists?
Or do you define anyone who disagrees with you commie faggotry a fascist?
>>56743427
You mad antifa?
>>56748624
With a knowledge of history hopefully mistakes can be avoided, but the only way I see humans having a future is nationalist environmentally friendly socialists, with the pagan religions reestablished.
I don't hate the Jews themselves, but all the concepts associated with them are vile and the antithesis of what I believe to be great (European values)
>>56748930
Why would I be mad? The only thing fascist are good at are dying.
>>56748793
>Never said they were.
You heavily implied it with "
Those are all very nice but it doesn't change the fact that industrial production, and literacy skyrocketed under Soviet rule, not to mention national healthcare.".
As the Aussie pointed out, you seem to be conflicted over sucking the soviet's dick and trying to disown them.
>>56747800
Have you heard about the Marixst term "Primitive Communism"?
A fully Communist society would be a society where the people had all power and the leadership would be chosen because they were good leaders for the people.
But to reach a society like that, most Communists believe we have to organize to crush Capitalism and Imperialism go through generations with Socialism to remove the classes that make such a society impossible.
And no Communist leadership have succeeded in doing so, but they have (IMO) been the closest to doing so.
>>56743427
because I am one
>>56743427
This argument is great, and so universally applicable
>if you can't convince a woman
>acquaint her head with the pavement
>if you can't convince a gay
>acquaint his head with the pavement
>if you can't convince a Negro
>acquaint its head with the pavement
I saw one of these people the other day. It was a tall, fat "woman" with a ridiculous shaved hairstyle wearing some sort of punk-meets-metalhead outfit with 'good night white pride' (in English) sewn onto the jacket.
>mfw there are posters in the nighbourhood saying things like "don't blame the immigrant for the lack of jobs, it's dem ebul fatcat politicians!"
>>56743427
>Posted on Trumpshills: the board
>>56748373
Yes.
leftists hating leftists.
kill each other. like i give a fuck
>>56748957
That's not how burning the world works. Even if your "tribe" remembered, there is no guarantee anyone else will, and that's assuming you can live in this new world. Then you still have to deal with the material conditions that what gave rise to our current ideas and society will happen again, unless you keep destroying the world.
>>56749087
Sounds like we agree about something but I think the only way to accomplish such a thing is for all peoples to embrace their folk and the traditions of their people.
>>56744067
>mixing oppressive ideals and anti-oppressive ideals.
>we must silence our political opponents with violence
>because they oppose freedom!
Literally the op
>>56749370
Would you not kill slave owners to free slaves? Oppressive? Maybe, but it's what would need to be done for freedom.
>>56743427
Cause I'm not a fascist
>>56749133
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwcKwGS7OSQ
Have you not heard?
/pol/ is ultra-Communist now
>>56749030
>As the Aussie pointed out, you seem to be conflicted over sucking the soviet's dick and trying to disown them.
No, I recognize a few of their virtues and what they did right, but absolutely under no circumstances do I want another Leftist state with the Soviet economic and political system. We need democracy in the workplace and the government, and probably a temporary market economy for consumer goods.
>>56749501
These people are oppressive and hate freedom, and have thus earned death... because I said so.
-You
>>56749570
No, they've done it through their ideals and the past actions of those who share those ideals. They demand the oppression of all, I'm simply letting them have the first taste then.
>>56743784
My grandparents were brainwashed by jews.
That's why our culture and society has gone to shit.
>>56747037
>gommie
>not a pansy
nah lad
>>56749559
>We need democracy in the workplace and the government, and probably a temporary market economy for consumer goods.
And when the people don't vote for what you want?
Antifas are the real fascists nowadays.
Historically, the only reason why fascist thugs achieved power was because of the leniency exhibited by the state towards their activities. Nowadays such leniency doesn't exist, fascism is completely illegitimate in the eyes of the court system, the bureaucracy and the intelligentsia, there is no risk of it ever rising to power again.
Meanwhile antifascists have government approval and resources to intimidate people who disagree with them and punish dissent. It's clear that if something similar to fascism happens again, it will come from left-wing politics.
If I've learned anything from this thread, it's that self identifying as a communist is akin to being diagnosed with autism.
>>56749730
>left-wing
Yeah okay. It's not like the state isn't completely opposed to any ideology that seeks to destroy them and their power. Here's how things are going to go. Liberals are going to keep winning and due to the material conditions they're gonna keep making up bullshit bandaids (basic income, lol) until they reach the end of their leash and their ideology can no longer reform anymore. It's gonna be socialism or barbarism.
>>56743823
>leftist nationalism
>being this classkeked
>>56749285
And people are not doing that, because people have to fight against eachother in stead of together.
Aslo what is dangerous with nationalism is that it can be misused to put nationalities up against each others, and create more oppression and war for the benefit of the elites. Like Hitler did, or modern Nazis are trying to do.
I do also agree that the fact that people have to emigrate/immigrate is bad, because most people want to live in the society they grew up in. But I do not oppose the immigrants themself, but the system that sends them on the run - Capitalism with it's imperialism.
>>56749730
fuck off faggot
I would gladly beat those facist SJWs, but it's illegal
>>56745169
spot on
>>56749966
u mad?
>>56749700
>And when the people don't vote for what you want?
I just hope for the same thing as everyone else; that everyone will follow my ideology. When they do, we'll either need to put these ideas into place democratically or violently depending on the situation.
>>56746293
>>56750197
>who would win
1 commie with an Igla.
>>56750309
>or violently depending on the situation.
I.e if they disagree. How democratic.
I can see the red guard on the march already.
>>56750501
Would you allow people to vote to institute slavery? Murder? Of course not, so why would you let them vote to be part of the most murderous system ever?
>>56743427
someone who knows ps should change "his" to "her" and i can post it on social media and anger some emotional retardbabies, i mean feminists, tobehonestfamily
>>56743427
Got something for you senpai
>>56743850
Not anarchists, syndicalists, or communists. Only "liberals", who they hate - people who want to maintain the current system but with gradual change.
>>56743427
ITT: Butthurt Stormkeks
>>56750590
>so why would you let them vote to be part of the most murderous system ever?
Socialism? I thought that was the point m8.
>>56750501
Well this is one of the most blatant examples of a straw man I've seen in a while, try re-reading my post.
>>56750350
You forget that university weenie commies are scared of guns and want them outlawed.
>>56750754
I think you're forgetting the hundreds of millions who've died due to colonialism, imperialism, slavery, neo-colonialism, etc. How many people starve today because it's simply not "profitable"?
>>56749853
I love seeing communist threads like this, they are so repugnant that they turn everyone off. They are their own worst PR enemy.
>>56750839
Champagne socialist, liberals, and communist for college are not comrades.
>>56743427
>Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent
>>56750742
Could anyone find the original?
>>56750754
>Socialism? I thought that was the point m8.
You're probably referring to some 100,000,000 death toll or whatever. There were tens of millions of deaths under Communist governments (none of them had a Socialist economy) due to famines, death squads, forced relocations etc. This was due to having an authoritarian political system with a command economy. This is not something exclusive to Socialism and not something anyone here is advocating for.
>>56744152
Nope making a thread with no meat on. Try to refraise the question into one which does not imply that people should commit violence.
Since beating people is forbidden by law, your violation should lead to your arrest very soon.
>>56751016
It's "Force is the weapon of the weak" and that's because the working class has no weapons other than force. God knows they can't just hire mercenaries like the capitalist.
>156 replies
Come the fuck on, /pol/. It's just some teenager pretending to be a leftist. You are better than this.
>>56743427
Because fascist usually means someone a leftist doesn't like, and those people are often my allies.
>>56750666
Great idea! But doesnt know computer runes.
>>56743427
>Fascism has no complete definition agreed upon by everyone. Its only true distinguishing characteristic is its authoritarianism and censorship.
>By silencing fascists, you (in some strange fucked up way) become one.
tl;dr You can call anyone a fascist as long as they censor others.
>>56748979
We're even better at killing. Five bolsheviks killed for every German.
>>56751279
You're forgetting a focus on militarism, nationalism, and unconditional support of the social order. I don't wish to be a militarist, it's just the only solution because reformism doesn't work. Nationalist I am not, nor do I care if everyone is a leftist or not.
Leftism only survives in the presence of an enemy, whether this be cultural [whites vs blacks, straights vs gays, men vs women, etc] or economic [rich vs poor, high class vs low class, etc]. That is why in an era that is completely dominated by the political and social left, they continue to act as though fascism, a political ideology that all but died decades ago, is a viable threat to their power. They require the scapegoat, it serves as an example. No rightist policy can be permitted, because if it was, we might become Hitler. And that would be terrible.
The true communist, like our wonderful comrade x/r1zSHy differs in this respect only insofar as he views modern liberals as not extreme enough, and modern social justice as divisive to class struggle. In all other respects he fits into the mold, a rebel looking for someone to rebel against, little realizing that he is the moral majority and the power that be.
The Right is not a threat to him, yet. But it will become so, and it will become so because it is the rebel that will rise in defiance to the current orthodoxy, it is the strange enticing doctrine that contradicts the modern narrative.
Yet the Left cannot fight as an authority, even the mighty Soviet Union had to continuously present itself as at war with an oppressive capitalist world-system in order to function.
The Left is fundamentally a parasite.
>>56743487
First post, best post
>>56751187
No refutation, just a counterattack.
>>56751110
No true Scotsman
>>56750997
Neither are you. 95 % change says that you are in for one hell of a surprise underany socialist government.
>>56749682
A post every American should understand.
>>56751289
Oh really? More like 4 million vs 6,6 million.
If the Soviets were pigs like the Nazis, they could have killed the POWs too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Front_(World_War_II)#Casualties
>>56751536
>No true Scotsman
Is this how you dismiss anything you disagree with? Instituting democracy in the workplace isn't going to cause mass Mao-tier famines, don't be such a damn baby.
>>56744776
Animals who killed the Duce. Just wait your rope
>>56751455
It's not that liberals aren't "extreme" enough, it's that they fundamentally differ from me.
>moral majority
You realize I'm a communist right? Majority has never been a word that's been on side. I oppose the current poltical-economic system. Fascist are just the imperial guard of capitalism, and must be crushed at any opportunity.
>>56743427
>I hate facism!
>I'm going to beat up anyone who disagrees with me
le liberal logic
>>56751429
>I don't wish to be a militarist, it's just the only solution because reformism doesn't work.
You still are regardless of whether or not you wish to be. You need a military for your plan to work. You are still militarist.
>Nationalist I am not, nor do I care if everyone is a leftist or not.
I can believe you aren't a nationalist for your own nation. You want a new pseudo-nation. One where everyone is the same. And if you don't care about whether someone is leftist or not, why ask others to bash in fascist heads?
>>56751782
He deserved the pain
>>56750839
>these pieces of crap
>commies
>>56751908
You must not see the rest of my post, liberals are scum.
>>56751915
Needing a military, and believing the military is the backbone of society, if not the point of society, are entirely different things.It also encourages war and believes it good for the national revival.
>>56751941
>shot
>pain
>>56751690
We're discussing a guy advocating murdering people he disagrees with. We are much, much better at that.
About 7 million Germans died during WW2 compared to 27 million subhuman bolsheviks according to the same link you sent me.
If you actually want to discuss real combat capabilities you have to take into account the huge superiority of manpower and materiel the Soviets had in the later stages of the war. In actual fighting, the Germans were superior in every way to the filthy swinish bolshevik hordes that regularly used human wave assaults. In the early stages of the war, when the Germans were not burdened by fighting wars on several fronts and by logistical issues, and before the Soviets started receiving enormous amounts of American material that basically turned the Red Army from a horse-driven infantry army into a motorised army, they were destroyed again and again in battle.
>>56752665
Clearly you have a problem murdering people you disagree with, you just solve that problem by treating them as subhuman first.
Fucking filth, fuck off.
>>56743427
Because I would be hitting myself. And why would I want to do that?
>>56752665
>you have to take into account the huge superiority of manpower and materiel the Soviets had in the later stages of the war
The Germans were in possession of almost an entire continent with 250,000,000 people and a near-monopoly on steel and coal. Any lack of manpower or material was entirely their own fault.
>In actual fighting, the Germans were superior in every way to the filthy swinish bolshevik hordes that regularly used human wave assaults
The Germans were better at coordinating their separate branches and small unit tactics, but that's about it. They had plenty of weaknesses, urban combat was one of the more prominent ones. They got stalled at Sevastapol and completely trashed by an under-supplied army at Stalingrad.
>and before the Soviets started receiving enormous amounts of American material that basically turned the Red Army from a horse-driven infantry army into a motorised army, they were destroyed again and again in battle
No they were't, lend-lease didn't even arrive in real numbers until 1944, and didn't even begin to trickle in until around the time of Blau.
Because I'm not a fascist. Fascist are also citizens and should be able to speak their mind freely without fear of being harmed. Even if socialism is a dying idea, they still have the right to freedom of speech.
>>56753087
Typical liberal. "Let's just leave these people who want to "cleanse" my nation and remove anyway that gets in their way, that'll totally work"
Fascist must always be opposed.
>>56752665
4 million+ Nazi soldiers were killed by Soviets, and 6,6 million Soviet soldiers were killed by the Nazis.
That the coward Nazis killed 3 million POWS does not make the Nazis better fighters. The Soviets could have killed 3 million prisoners too.
The other millions that died were civilians, murdered or starved by the Nazi pigs. "Subhuman bolsheviks", you mean Slavs illiterate nazi degenerate?
Killed and starved by cowards.
And, no, the only time when the Nazis was winning was when they had better material. As soon as 1943 came and the time to strike back (according to the plan), they stood no chance. Soviet lagging 100 years behind the west in many areas in 1917 quickly caught up, but not enough to stop the pigs at the gates.
See >>56753084
Fucking Nazi.
>>56743850
George Orwell was pro gun and was the definitive redpilled socialist.
>>56753290
Typical american. "Everyone has the right of free speech unless I don't like him"
>>56744194
Who mentioned Stalin?
>>56753290
I'm sure you don't even grasp the irony of your own post.
>>56743707
>>56743427
What I think of Antifa and associated leftist groups
http://youtu.be/Ka19OwDXm4A
>>56745049
Scholarly estimates put the death toll of Stalin at about twenty million, if you include partially man made famines.
Go back to cripplechan faggot.
>>56745959
No most of them are just anti-Stalinist. Contrary to what people like to believe, Stalinism isn't some inevitable or ultimate outcome of all forms of socialism.
>>56746018
Source? Other than Rummel (who's been thoroughly criticized)
>>56746194
Nice meme
>>56743427
>if you don't submit to my worldview you will be killed
Literally fascism.
>>56743427
I am a fascist and I think antifa are faggots
>>56746341
And that's just a theory too.
>>56743487
/thread
>>56743427
>current year
>not being a fascist
the people don't know what they want until you tell them
Antifa are always talking about the big bad nazi strawman, when today we have very little real fascists people around. It's just a tactic used against the opposition, the right/nationalist party to portray them as evil as fuck. And by opposition, antifa are the good guys because of this.
Source: French guy currently seeing some antifa friends getting super butthurt about the political changes of France. I never revealed my power level to them because of my work, but they are always telling me how proud antifa they are, fighting the fascist vermins off our street.
>>56746901
>muh no troo sgotsman*
*conveniently ignoring that there's a lot of variety in socialist thought and policy
>>56754136
That's not fascism. That's imperialism.
>>56754331
>fighting the fascist vermins off our street.
You mean they beat people who don't agree with them ? Sounds a bit authoritarian. What's wrong with citizens working for the interest of the group ?
>>56747226
Straw man detected
People would still work, but they'd claim for themselves and their community the fruits of labor, rather than an elite taking it all.
Alternately, automation could do the work and the people would collectively own machines and distribute products.
>>56754682
I stay the fuck away from them when they are in the antifa mindset, you cant talk with those people.
Great guys most of the time, have tons of fun memories with them, but shit can they be dumb as fuck in their ideology. Litteraly a Sith mindset, if you are not with them, you are against them and must be destroyed 'cause you are clearly evil.
>>56753084
> The Germans were in possession of almost an entire continent with 250,000,000 people and a near-monopoly on steel and coal. Any lack of manpower or material was entirely their own fault.
"Later stages of the war". German losses only started to really accumulate towards the end. The first year of Barbarossa was a complete disaster for the Soviets. And claiming they had a monopoly on steel and coal is just idiotic, the Soviets had massive steel plants pumping out steel to supply their massive tank production. They had a huge superiority in tank numbers when Barbarossa started. It was only because of their tactical and strategic ineptitude, as well as the swinish subhuman behaviour of their men, that led to disaster.
> The Germans were better at coordinating their separate branches and small unit tactics, but that's about it.
Absolutely false. The Soviets had failures on every level of command up until Stalingrad. Only a few bright spots in an army of incompetence.
> No they were't, lend-lease didn't even arrive in real numbers until 1944, and didn't even begin to trickle in until around the time of Blau.
Beevor:
> Although the Soviet forces preferred their own weapon, the other donations provided the Soviet Union with a high proportion not only of its war-industrial requirements but also of its means to fight. 'Just imagine', Nikita Khrushchev later remarked, 'how we would have advanced from Stalingrad to Berlin without [American transport] them.' ; at the end of the war, the Soviet forces held 665,000 motor vehicles, of which 427,000 were Western...he American railroad industry supplied 2000 locomotives, 11,000 freight carriages and 540,000 tons of rails, with which the Russians laid a greater length of line than they had built between 1928 and 1939. American supplies of high-grade petroleum were essentially to Russian production of aviation fuel, while three-quarters of Soviet consumption of copper in 1941-4 came from American sources.
>>56746738
How many more failed attempts do you need to achieve your goals? What makes you think "It's okay guys it will work this time, trust me!"?
>>56747706
That post gave me cancer.
Tsarist Russia was the equivalent of a third world country. Even by contemporary standards it was backwards. China under the Manchus was even worse. While Russia departed from many Marxist ideas and killed many people, living conditions, life expectancy, education, employment, housing, and healthcare skyrocketed beginning in the 30s and 40s.
>>56748205
Kinda like the kibbutzim in Israel?
>>56754962
We don't have the same definition of friendship, I think. I can't consider somebody my friend if I can't speak my mind freely. Also, I wouldn't befriend (or remain friend with) such violent people in the first place.
>>56749559
Smart anon. Probably one of the smartest posts in the thread.
>>56753381
The German fighters were better, this much is evident from witness and casualty reports:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Barbarossa
Early war results, before the Bolshevik swine started receiving jewish aid, 800,000 axis casualties, 4 million soviet. The bolshevik rats were running until they started getting help from jewish controlled states.
A good example:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kiev_(1941)
>>56743427
do not try to convince a leftist
kill it
>>56743487
/thread
>>56743427 (OP)
Why would you cling on to a ideology that made every country adhering to at progressively more third-world'ish up until it self-destructed or essentially discarded communism. Communism has always been shit.
But I suppose it has never been tried, right goyim?
>>56743919
Western communism is literally a radical version of western liberalism, how are you too stupid to even see that. Even retarded special snowflake communists like Jason Unruhe are basically edgy liberals.
Marxists in America for example constantly suck nigger dick and always side with black criminals whenever they get shot in self-defense, have absolutely no interest in defending the second amendement or defending your borders and attract all the most retarded "progressive" faggots towards their ideology. Communism in Africa has been all about KILL WHITEY and communism in Eastern Europe was essentially about transferring the power from a oppresive white christian European elite to an even far more brutal atheist jewish elite.
It boggles the mind how any self-respecting western European/American can unironically call himself a marxist.
>>56755657
The German fighters were better because they had better equipment and were ready for war. The Soviets knew the Nazis would invade, but not before 1943.
But when you say "better", do you mean better trained or with better morale?
That they were better trained/war ready than the Soviet army might be. But the morale of the Red Army were superior.
>>56743427
Free shaves /pol/!
>>56743427
I'm not a nigger that assaults people without provocation.
Nigger.
>>56756155
>But the morale of the Red Army were superior.
They were dying at a 9/1 ratio in Stalingrad, what the fuck are you talking about? they were scared shitless
>>56756293
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Stalingrad#Casualties
9/1 ratio? It says 850k vs 1,13 mill
They were pushed hard, but never surrendered. That shows morale, not attacking a semi-unprepared army/county and winning by better equipment and training.
>>56743487
/thread desu senpai
Fite me OP
>>56744309
The Haitians killed, actually completely genocided all their French masters 200 years ago and just look at how good they've done for themselves.
>no sizeable fascist organization around
>no genuinely militarized/violent antifa faggots to instigate street brawls
>no post dust up pints with new mates after beating commie goons with a club in a hundred man clash
I miss Spain.
