Conservashits BTFO
pretty much
I'm right-leaning but yer he did BTFO republitards on this one
I'm a leftist and that's nonsense. Also, John Oliver should never say "we will be celebrating Thanksgiving"
>One time in American history
>Many times in world history
>>56665982
That's a stupid comparison but he's right, Islam may be a fucked religion but those Syrians did nothing to deserve to have their homeland taken from them, and since our country is practically at fault for the founding of ISIS in the first place there is more than enough reason to allow them to live here.
Yeah guys, seriously. It's 2015
>>56665982
most those refugees arrived at a time where a massive welfare state didn't exist to allow them to self segregate and live off the system
not to mention that those people also were not tied to an ideology that is diametrically opposed to the basic tenants of western civilization i.e Islam
not a good argument here tbqh desu senpai
>>56666666
>>56666666
>>56666666
This is not spam.
>Liberals before 2015: How dare you celebrate Thanksgiving! It's a terrible occasion that marks the beginning of our genocide of the natives, and only proves that imperialism was a dark, twisted philosophy of a barbaric time! Look what white people did by coming into this country!
>Liberals now: I say we let the refugees in! It's in our blood! Nothing bad could possibly happen!
Bonus points for Oliver saying "we'll all" when he's a Brit.
>>56665982
>Haitians
>Cubans
>Irish
no comment
>>56665982
Who?
>>56665982
yea people are reading all that shit
by you
>>56665982
>another Brit shit talking America while getting paid to be on an American show
first Piers, now this queer, where do they find all you limeys?
>>56666638
It's all fine and well to blame the US for the existence of ISIS but you're retarded to think that means that we are obligated to shelter potential terrorists. There are several other Arab countries where they could've moved but they decided to march directly to the first world nations. That scream "economic refugee," not "I'm scared for my life and willing to move anywhere as long as it's not in this country."
>>56665982
>let's be honest
>can we admit that
>don't pretend that
Loaded language.
>>56665982
where the Vietnamese boat people even treated badly or were bad?
i mean Irish were drunks and overall useless
Cubans became druglords (but did build Miami beach)
Haitians are niggers
but what of the Vietnamese?
>>56665982
>>56665982
I mean COME ON
>>56665982
>muh poor poor injuns got overrun by the evil white man!
So is immigration good or bad libkucks? You guys can't seem to make up your mind.
>John "2015" Oliver
>celebrating Thanksgiving
shoo shoo slimey limey
GREAT SCOTT
>>56667259
I think they were kinda marginalized in some places, and mostly by niggers, but that's it.
>>56665982
Isn't his argument inherently flawed because he should say "The Americas" because the United States did not exist?
Also why do they call pilgrims refugees? How is being sent of a voyage to find new trade routes with India by the king of Spain and inadvertently finding the new world translate to refugees?
>>56667263
SAY IT WITH ME /POL/ACKS
>IT'S 2015 GUYS
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>>56665982
>le Current Year man
No shit
>>56666638
>our country is practically at fault for the founding of ISIS
don't be so hard on yourself, these shitskins have been at each other's throat for 1400 years, long before the US was even a thing, there will always be conflict in the middle east as long as Islam is a thing, whether you get involved or not.
friendly reminder that in the vast majority of cases, the west doesn't start the conflicts, it just picks a side and makes it worst.
>>56666638
Yes, of course, so naturally we should take in people who feel it is a sacred duty to destroy our entire civilization.
>>56665982
>implying it wasn't europeans who colonized america
>blaming americans for it
> Native Americans let in refugees out of kindness, got destroyed
> We should let in refugees
Help me understand the logic here, keks. You all have gone literally retarded.
>>56665982
Britain bitching about colonization
Le current year man talking about shit that happened 500 years ago.
COME ON, I thought you were aware of what the current year is
>>56665982
Didn't Irish-Americans support the IRA during the troubles?
>>56665982
>2015
>celebrating the white invader
C'MON!!!!
>only one time in american history
Yeah, but not one time in world history, you dumb british cunt
>>56665982
>equating being a conqueror with being a refugee
>>56665982
Cry me a river.
>>56666638
>but those Syrians did nothing to deserve to have their homeland taken from them
Too bad, conquest is a part of human nature
Defend your land or die, dont flee to some other place and demand they give you a place to stay
>>56667834
You can't. Libtards are retards.
That's partly incorrect. We actually loved the Cuban exiles. They were highly educated, productive, and gave us maybe the greatest slice of Americana ever put on TV in the form of I Love Lucy.
>>56666638
Just because our shithole government gave a bunch of money and guns to one of the hundreds of extremist groups in the sandpit, and made them relevant, doesn't mean that "we", the American people, had anything to do with the "creation of Isis". Let them live in the homes of the politicians and dirty dealers, see if we still bring them over under those circumstances.
>>56665982
NEWS FLASH
Might makes right.
There is no more certain truth in the entire universe. You don't have to like it. You don't have to agree with it.
You just have to make fucking sure that you're strong. The native Americans weren't strong now their civilization is ashes. The Australian aboriginals weren't strong now their civilization is ashes. Europeans are no longer strong, their civilization will be ashes.
The Irish were not refugees. They were economic migrants.
The Pilgrims were not refugees. They were a separatist movement.
The Spanish killed most of the natives through conquest for gold and disease.
Apples and Oranges
White settlers did not show up to N America and get signed up on welfare...unlike the majority of BOTH legal and illegal immigrants getting some kind of government assistance.
>>56667834
>Native Americans let in refugees out of kindness
If "oh hey, these strange pale guys have magic death sticks. Maybe we shouldn't be so hasty to try and kill them like we do everyone else." is kindness sure.
>>56666638
Except we could settle 128,000 refugees in the ME for the cost of settling 10,000 here in the states.
>>56668159
Literally the first thoughts that came to my mind.
Fuck this limey bastard and his lemon yellow teeth.
>>56665982
why would he be sitting around a table celebrating an american holiday?
>>56665982
Lol says the british guy. Why dont we just tar him black and drop him off in africa to do him a favor of ridding his white guilt already?
How many times are we going to do this thread today?
>>56665982
Those people weren't renowned for a fondness of blowing shit up. Oh wait he said irish too, nvm then.
Also:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1919_United_States_anarchist_bombings
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tammany_Hall
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NORAID
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diseases_and_epidemics_of_the_19th_century#Typhus
Immigration controls have ALWAYS been a policy in the US. The open gates policy is a complete myth.
>>56665982
>History began in 1620
>>56668159
>The Pilgrims were not refugees. They were a separatist movement.
That's a fancy way of saying refugees.
>>56666624
This
And also early americans werent setting out to seek refuge in an already established society. They were setting out to work hard and carve a better life in what was for the most part untouched wilderness. Not for gibsmedats. Huge difference
Why don't we compromise and come to a solution both left and right can agree on? Obama is closing Gitmo, which means we have a large empty facility sitting in Cuba. Let's just turn the prison into a refugee camp. That way we can bring large numbers of refugees into shelter U.S. soil, at he same time we can keep the American people secure.
>>56668508
no.
Refugees are like stray animals that show up at your door and want you to feed and house them.
Separatists are your kids running away to live in the woods because they think you are an asshole.
>>56667198
>>56667685
>>56667771
I think as the most important country in the world we have a moral obligation to take that small risk. There are already 12 million Muslims living in the United States. I think we can handle a comparably minuscule amount more.
>>56668082
The majority of Americans supported the invasion of Iraq in 2003, about 72%.
>>56668258
Good point, but which middle eastern government would take in said 100,000 refugees?
OP is a kike.
>>56668678
The one who wants America's/EU money
>>56665982
>Europeans destroyed Indian civilization therefore they have an obligation to allow third worlders to destroy European civilization.
>liberal kek logic
>>56665982
>proving why we should regulate the shit out of immigration
>btfo of anti-immigration people
Are liberals retarded?
>>56665982
>mfw history is so distorted that a Holiday dedicated to being thankful for what you have is now 'evil'...
>>56668678
>we have a moral obligation to take that small risk.
>moral obligation to risk destroying western civilization
Except when the Europeans settled America, they were all developed, and actually did shit (Construct shakes instead of shitty tents and stick/mud huts, etc). When Sand Niggers flooded into European countries, they were not developed, and shat up everything.
>Settlers and pioneers were refugees
This is what our kids will be learning in school.
>>56668894
Communists.
Destroy the past and keep changing things for the sake of change.
>>56667263
ids dwendy vivdeen :DDD
>>56665982
I like how they always use this example both here and in the US. "Well I bet the natives would agree with your sentiment of not wanting immigrants to arrive by boats" as if this doesn't reinforce what is we are saying. They acknowledge that mass migration can cause genocide they just seem to think its an acceptable risk to the white population.
>>56668824
>Indian civilization
>>56665982
Doesn't he undermine his own point with the Indian example
Because the Indians didn't want use here because they thought they would kill them, rape their women and steal their land, which is exactly what happened, so following that logic it's entirely reasonable to not want refugees here because they'll kill us, rape our women and steal our land
>all these apologetic cúcks
Wew lad
Why do people always quote the most memeworthy snippet of what he says?
If you watch the whole clip, he justifies it by saying only 3 refugees out of 700,000 accepted since 9/11 have been arrested for terrorism, and that 3/700,000 is no reason to condemn all refugees.
Even if he opens and closes with "COME ON" and the current year, he always backs up whatever he's been saying. He's not wrong.
>>56665982
So we conquered this land and its people to make it our own. Why would we willingly give it over and become the minority?
>>56669273
Yeah but he kind of leaves out, just kidding he doesn't realize, that most of those 'refugees' are actually just opportunistic cowards who are fleeing their homes and families to seek out a better life for themselves in places that will hand out benefits literally for free
>>56669179
indians are from india
native americans are what you're talking about
>>56668678
>There are already 12 million Muslims living in the United States. I think we can handle a comparably minuscule amount more.
fair enough, just keep in mind how the hivemind mentality works tho as it applies to muslims as well.
right now you only have a few sparse muslims here and there, no big deal. Since the "hive" (their circle of acquaintances and influences) is mostly typical pro-freedom american, the "liberal" influence is stronger on them then their religion's influence, this is how you get assimilation, (a moderate muslim is nothing more than a semi-assimilated muslim) so there is nothing to fear as long as their numbers stay low.
But when their numbers grow, then the majority of the "hive" (their circle) will slowly become more muslim. In this case, the external influence loses relevance and islam gains a greater place for the same reason your college students are all extreme liberals: when like-minded individuals circle-jerk their ideas unchallenged, you get radicalization.
>>56669500
Then why did we call Natives Indians?
>>56665982
There is no place in the West for Islam.
>>56669742
believe me when i say muzzies literally cannot pull anything here
they will just get shot, not even memeing, a majority of americans do not trust muzzies, I know hardcore liberals that refuse to trust them for fuck sake
>>56668678
>Moral obligation
Why? How? Do you not hold more of a moral obligation to your own citizens to ensure their safety at all costs? How do you justify helping foreigners at the expense of your own citizens? What happened to America? You used to know how to wage war.
>>56666638
>since our country is practically at fault for the founding of ISIS in the first place there is more than enough reason to allow them to live here.
Taking responsibility is all well and good, but why should the general populous have to die for what our leaders have done on their own without our approval for more than a decade?
>>56667198
No. It screams ' i want to leave this hellhole and start a new life in a first world country where i have strong chances of succeeding, instead of living the same shitlife i did in syria'
>>56666638
sorry senpai but islam is literally death, the destroyer of worlds, and bringer of night. First it was the middle east, then it was the khazars, then it was europe.
Islam is doom. Where there are those who know history, Islam will not be allowed to live. If all men read even 30 pages, any pages, of the Koran, they would hunt Muslims from their city and bury them in land fills. Muslims will never understand democracy, they will never understand compassion, they are wild animals that cannot be tamed.
>>56670043
>No. It screams ' i want to leave this hellhole and start a new life in a first world country where i have strong chances of succeeding of killing lots of Infidels. Allah Ackbar!
ftfy
>>56669895
>believe me when i say muzzies literally cannot pull anything here
yet, they cannot pull anything yet
>a majority of americans do not trust muzzies, I know hardcore liberals that refuse to trust them for fuck sake
lets keep it like that ameribro, lets learn from the mistakes of Europe and keep North America safe from these parasites
>>56669796
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=Indian
They thought at first that the America was basically the eastern end of Asia, and at that time there was nothing of import besides India once you went further east than the Ottomans and Safavids.
>>56670255
why u no take di bait burger? fug :DDD
>>56668678
>I think as the most important country in the world we have a moral obligation
House them yourself. I am poor and pay enough in taxes already alongside my student loan.
>>56665982
The real reason why the pilgrims were starving is because they created a socialist style society were all of the property was communal . Socialshits BTFO
http://www.forbes.com/2008/11/27/thanksgiving-economy-history-oped-cx_jb_1127bowyer.html
>>56665982
Most of those people were embracing the US, as they had to, due to the lack of welfare spending. Welfare allows a group of people to form a cyst, where they do not have to adapt to the US culture.
So let's repeat the mistake then. Bring them all
Following that logic we shouldn't trust refuges; wait is he with us or just retarded?
>>56667601
>Also why do they call pilgrims refugees?
It makes sense because most people who went to America after the initial settling were economic "refugees".
>>56668082
I thought America is a democracy meaning the people that are making those decisions, are the same people that Americans chose?
Yes, and look how that turned out for the Native Americans. They got completely fucked over.
I do not blame native americans 1 bit for raiding settlements, killing pioneers, and scalping US troops.They were defending their homeland from aggressors. We won in the end, but from a moral perspective, they were the good guys.
Now we are the good guys and we better defend our homeland.
>>56675005
Let's not forget their own tribes back stabbed eachother and also conspired against eachother
>>56667601
Pilgrims weren't sent to find a route to India by Spain. That was Christopher Columbus.
Like the Palestinian refugees in Jordan?
>>56668678
>I think as the most important country in the world we have a moral obligation
Fuck that shit, I'm not willing to deal with refugees and I don't feel morally obligated to accept them.
>>56675005
>Yes, and look how that turned out for the Native Americans. They got completely fucked over.
Pretty much, I don't get why Libtards will cry about how Europe should let refugees in and then go cry about how "The white man invaded and took over America, that's bad!", if anything, a couple of the people coming to America were seeking refuge from monarchies and religious freedom
>>56665982
I just saw this posted by a dumbass friend in FB. Posted a response but deleted it because it wasn't worth it. The person who posted it was more naive then partisan. Anyway he is validating stricter border control in that post by acknowledging what happened to the indians was bad.
>>56669273
Because those 3 refugees endanger not only other refugees with their threat of terrorism, but they also endanger the lives of the citizens who live here. Contrary to what every faggot liberal will tell you, a country should value the lives of its own citizens, natives and immigrant residents over anyone else. This includes refugees. If there is a risk in bringing refugees into the country, we have no obligation to accept them and shouldn't further endanger our or refugee lives.
>>56665982
Reminder to report /b/ tier empty spam threads threads like this, and that its a false equivalency because none of those were violent muslims.
>>56671374
They survived despite abandoning "socialist" ways. Obviously a poor implementation of something is going to have poor results. This doesn't mean that thing is inherently bad though. Abandoning something just because all attempts have failed before is illogical. If that was the case almost no progress could occur since rarely does anything work out perfectly the first time or even many more times. Numerous attempts are usually necessary to get something that's never been done before to work right. The difference between capitalism and socialism is like the difference between a group of warriors that fight individualistically and a group of soldiers that fight collectively as a cohesive army. The teamwork can produce a whole greater than the sum of its parts.
>>56665982
This guy has never met a fucking Haitian.
>>56673910
this is the worst comparison..
I was against letting in refugees until I saw this
>>56665982
"I have received your new book against the human race, and thank you for it. Never was such a cleverness used in the design of making us all stupid. One longs, in reading your book, to walk on all fours. But as I have lost that habit for more than sixty years, I feel unhappily the impossibility of resuming it. Nor can I embark in search of the savages of Canada, because the maladies to which I am condemned render a European surgeon necessary to me; because war is going on in those regions; and because the example of our actions has made the savages nearly as bad as ourselves."
>>56680423
So now you're for it, because of a meme?
Kill yourself.
>>56666327
good goy
>>56665982
I assume in future you still want to celebrate Thanksgiving instead of National Caliphate Day?
Burn the invaders.
>>56677085
>Implying that capitalism doesn't encourage/needs teamwork, as long as is voluntary/contractual
What's division of labour?
