ok, some faggot nation is invading your nation airspace with their shitplanes, tell me three reasons why you shouldn't bomb the fuck out of the invaders
Can't think of any
>Russia constantly violating different counry's airspace
>Turks shoot them out of the sky
I don't see a problem with this.
>>56628769
Because they are bombing my enem-
Wait what, they are bombing my allies, shoot that fucker down.
>>56628769
REMINDER, TURKEY HAS MASSIVELY BREACHED NATO ROE FOR INTERCEPTION OF ANY AIRCRAFT.
YOU MUST VISUALLY INTERCEPT THE AIRCRAFT AND HAVE VISUAL CONTACT WITH THE PILOT
IF THE AIRCRAFT IS ON AN EXIT COURSE OF AN EXTREMELY NARROW BAND OF AIRSPACE, INTERCEPTION IS UNCALLED FOR
AT THE HALFWAY POINT, AN AIRCRAFT ENCROACHING UPON AIRSPACE IF ON AN EXIT COURSE, HAS COMPLIED WITH WARNINGS AND ORDERS AND CANNOT BE FIRED UPON
THE MINUTE THE AIRCRAFT IS OUT OF YOUR AIRSPACE, IT CANNOT BE FIRED UPON AND YOU MUST TURN AROUND AND GO HOME
IF YOU KNOW THE PURPOSE OF AN AIRCRAFT OPERATING CLOSE TO THE BORDER, ACCIDENTAL ENCROACHMENT IS ALLOWED AND NECESSITATES NO SCRAMBLE OR INTERCEPTION, UNLESS THE AIRCRAFT IS ON A PATH INTO YOUR COUNTRY WITH NO DEFINED EXIT POINT. IF THE AIRCRAFT IS MILITARY AND CLEARLY ARMED, AN AIRBORNE SENTRY CONSISTING OF AN INTERCEPTION SQUADRON IS ENCOURAGED TO FLY A HOLDING PATTERN ALONG THE BORDER FOR QUICK TURNAROUND. (NOTE, THAT DOESNT HAVE SHOOTDOWN OR EVEN RADAR LOCK ANYWHERE IN THE DEFINITION OF TURN AROUND)
DO NOT FIRE UPON AN AIRCRAFT THAT IS LEAVING OR HAS LEFT AIRSPACE. IT IS AN ACT OF WAR THAT BARS YOU FROM INCITING ARTICLE 5, AS NATO IS A DEFENSIVE MILITARY ORGANIZATION AND ARTICLE 5 ONLY COVERS A NATION ATTACKING A NATO COUNTRY WITHOUT DIRECT PROVOCATION OF THAT COUNTRY, OR AN OBJECTIVE ACT OF WAR AGAINST YOUR NOW PRESENT AGGRESSOR.
>>56628769
> they have nukes
> you don't
>>56628769
>shitplanes
Are you judging the plane by its looks?
>>56629725
>Russia constantly violating different counry's airspace
Like when?
>>56628769
Because they are canadian and most likely didn't mean to and will apologize afterwards or Juan the crop duster took a right at the end of the field instead of a left. His little cesna isn't going to cause us any harm.
>>56628769
Rofl turks faggots violated greece air SPACE 1.000 Times this year.
>>56628769
Because they are obviously flying a straight line through a small peninsula of land and would be "violating your airspace" for literally less than half of a minute and propose no real threat to you whatsoever.
cause they're no threat to you... yet
So which one is it ?
>>56629725
Constantly violating air space or "but they are flying too close in international air space " difference is huge
>>56628769
You shoulg thank your god your country is not relevant today.
ma brutto figlio della merda sionista vai a leggere repubblica e smetti di fare il coglione su /pol/ che sta board non t'appartiene.
Esci da qua e vai a succhiare le palle di tua madre trans e apprezza a cosa c'ha portato la merda sinistroide-liberalista che abbiamo fino al collo
>>56630014
they violated for less than 3 seconds. Also 30 second violation is pretty deep one considering it can be like 10km
1 Invading airspace =/= attacking your country
2 It's barely within your airspace, you can see their course is not aggressive,
3 They're not at war with you, you have no reason to assume it's hostile.
>Italy talking about airspace offences
During Libya bombings, your idiots flew all the way to fucking Finland with armed missiles because they didn't know how to use their navigator.
That's at least 7 countries airspace offended on the way and back..
>>56630130
Its extremely simple. Russia crosses the line on the map that they know they shouldn't cross. Zero warning should be given and they should be instantly and immediately brought down every single time they do it. That is how reality works.
"B..b.but we thought there wouldn't be consequences to our actions!"
Russia really is full of dumbasses, I guess.
>>56630014
I don't give a shit about intent and scope.
Here is my border, you know it's there, you cross it, I bomb you. It's just smooth logical sailing really
>>56630835
So when you do this your planes get shot the fuck down? what are you some retard who can't handle international banter. Literal Turksmell who invades Greece's airspace but gets mad when someone does it to them.
>>56629749
Are you going to post that shit in every thread, you raging autist?
>>56630997
Nah, you are just a little bitch who doesn't know how to play tough ball.
You'll eventually learn the hard way.
Greece is full of pussies and cowards for not doing the same.
>>56628769
Most normal nations would send their own fighters to intercept and escort the intruder away.
A bomber is no threat at all to a fighter so it would never fight back.
>>56630483
Italian and Spanish are so similar, i love latÃn languages.
>>56630879
You consider that logical? No wonder we're fucked. Donald trump is impregnating the minds with his idiocracy like thinking.
Ottomans confirmed tsundere for dat slavic booty boo!
>>56631122
Honestly you would get smacked in the fucking head down here a good thing you can pulverise the shit out of us because we are only four million souls.
>>56630835
exactly this. if you cross the line, "you violate the airspace" and you should be shot down. if you dont have the balls to shoot down that plane, then it doesnt make you a civilized country, it basically makes you a pussy who cant protect his borders. it is the international laws.
but we turks were nice enough to warn the planes 10 times.
>>56630879
Hell yeah, just like soviets downed boeing 747 full of fucking murricans and koreans! Fucking trespassers.
>>56629917
They actually do it quite often, especially in the baltics (which counts as polish airspace).
But it always the same scenario
>go back
>no response
>scramble jets
>"oyy blyeeet cyka sorry m8s" and they gb2 russia
>>56629725
>Russia "violating" Syrians airspace with Syrias permission
>Turks go into Syrian airspace illegally to shoot it down for violating airspace
>"Thank me whenever Syria, it's np dude"
>>56628769
they were on strafing runs bombing terrorists. and not just basic terrorists, Jihadi Snackbar Terrorists.
If Turkey finds that a threat, what does that say about Turkey.
>>56631373
your country is a terroist state supporting ISIS i hope you get obliterated.
>>56628769
>Italy thinks it can bomb a plane
No wonder America has the best military in the world... we don't try to land a bomb on a fucking jet fighter
>>56629757
Turkey has nukes
Russia has a lot more nukes
>>56629917
>not knowing about the RAF intercepting russian bombers off the UK coast
Even the BBC covered this over the usual pro islam stories.
>>56630997
Greece and Turkey are neighbors. There are many undefined/gray spots on the border between then, so airspace violations are common. Russia on the other hand has no border with Turkey and their plane was on the way to bomb some places. It was not a usual patrol flight. Damn, all that UV radiation must be making Aussies stupid.
>>56631289
Can't smack me with that stick when I'm flying above you without repercussions, abbo.
>>56631515
whatever kangaroo-man. as if anyone on earth is on some sort of moral high ground you make judgments. i am pretty sure your beloved island was asked to pay some sort of money from usa to back these "moderate" rebels as well.
>>56631735
this guy gets it as well. we have historical rivalry with greeks and there are a lot of airspace and sea border issues with greeks thats why a lot of violations happen. greeks once shot turkish plane and you dont see turks crying about the shit do you?
>>56631383
yeah it was right thing to do from OP pov, slavbro
>>56631741
Exactly. A bitch.
>>56631735
Don't care, when is NATO going to kick turksmell out of Cyprus for invading their sovereign borders?
When is American going to Freedom Turkey for supporting Terrorists that attacked Paris.
When is Turkey going to close their borders to stop Mudshits flooding Egypt.
Typical.
>>56628769
Nice Italy.
>>56631824
No not at all we massacred turkish villages during first world war we should do it again until your fucking learn your lesson.
>>56628769
Pol isn't debating that it wasn't justified.
Turkey is simply defending its allies (ISIS, Al Qaeda, etc) from Russian air strikes.
Pol just hates anything Muslim and woulda really just like Kabab removed.
That being said, Turkey and NATO couldn't be a worse match. Turkey should be removed (like Kabab) from nato. all nato countries are first world democratic freedom loving people. Turkey is a shitty 3rd hell hole ruled by an ISIS supporter dictator with a small dick.
>>56631246
Screw off Rand
>>56631619
t*rkey does not have nukes, what the fuck are you smoking.
GEE POOR TURKEY, NOT LIKE IT EVER INVADED AIRSPACE OR ANYTHING
>>56628769
1.We dont have any jets
2.We dont have any anti air systems
3.We're a nation of cowards
>>56632038
bold words from an anz*c you got his ass raped in gallipolli even though he had the giant British armada behind him.
wanna try again and join your ancestors ?
>>56628769
lol Italy thinks you can bomb planes
>>56630835
So when the USA accidentally bombs the wrong country what should be done? Surely that's a call for the nuclear option?
I mean every country accidentally enters anothers airspace all the time, it's easy to do. If that's an act of war then literally bombing the wrong wrong country deserves a nuclear response surely?
>>56631949
I double this slavbro too.
>>56631619
Turkey doesn't have nukes retard, they're ours. They have no access to them.
>>56632141
USA has nukes in Turkey.
The Turks aren't allowed anywhere near them and they are always under direct American control.
Lol, letting Muslims near a nuclear device... You serious or trolling anon? Lol
>>56632252
Lost the war did you say? get turksmell removed from Syria 1918 did you say? genocide of village and you couldn't do nothing to stop it and we should do it again this time with Russia since Turkey wants to support ISIS.
Bold words backed by history.
>One plane
>Literally
>One
>Plane
>That might or might not be armed
>Invasion
>>56629749
This that turkish pilot reacted too quickly i hope he gets beheaded
>>56632454
Kebab logic as is.
>>56632385
you keep nukes in Turkey?
Like what the fuck, running out of space? Annex Canada for fucks sake, but take these nukes out of Turkey!
>>56632336
>muh historical rivalry
>muh border
>it's good if we do it two fucking thousand times
>russia does it
>take down a plane, shoot the pilot, upload video on youtube
i hope you get glassed, you fucking savage
>>56632545
Yes, there's like 60 of our nukes stationed in Turkey. They'll come handy when we start roasting Tehran.
Turkey is violating Greek airspace daily for the past 20 years.
Greece does the same to Turkey.
We don't bomb each other it's just banter.
Turkey murdered those pilots because it wants to protect its ally, ISIS, and continue buying oil from them and to support them against the Kurds and Assad - both enemies of Turkey.
>>56628769
Actually this happens from time to time. It's normal practice in modern world, there is no Cold War and people kinda DON'T shoot "invaders". Usually interceptors just escort an "enemy" aircraft until it leave your airspace or (in an very rare situations) - force it to land.
>>56632428
>What are Pakistan, Iran and Saudi Arabia
>>56632615
You can't understand because you have lost your dignity in 1945 .
>>56631633
Those interceptions arnt in british airspace its just has our intrest
>>56632743
but apperantly we warned you a lot to change your projectory, to turn south otherwise you were going to violate the airspace. why didnt you comply ruskiebro, this shouldnt have happened.
Erdogan himself agrees that it was completely unjustified.
>Mr Erdogan spoke of Turkey's "rage" at the decision to shoot down the F-4 Phantom on 22 June and described Syria as a "clear and present threat".
>"A short-term border violation can never be a pretext for an attack," he said. The Turkish jet was on a training flight, testing Turkey's radars in the eastern Mediterranean, he said.
>"A short-term border violation can never be a pretext for an attack,"
>never
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-18584872
>>56632650
This. It isn't about borders. It's retaliation. Fucking shill OP munching on Erdogan's propaganda.
If you invade a foreign airspace, expect to get shot the fuck down. Why are ruskies so fucking surprised.
>>56628769
Russians do it all over the time here. We should respond by violating their airspace, not shooting them down.
>>56629917
happens here kinda regulary aswell, aint got links on me
>>56632876
WOW, nice rebuttal kebab! Except I'm not even german.
Ok i hope now every plane that goes in syria even 1 CM gets shot down by su 35
>>56632176
Shut up nazi, we'll show you 1945 again faggot
>Only one country in the world is standing up to Muslims
>Muslims blow up another of that country's planes
>Suddenly threads everywhere about how wrong the country is (the one standing up against Muslims) and how right the Muslim country was for blowing said plane up
Gee, I have no idea who can be behind these threads.
>>56631950
>>56632038
>>56632429
>get BTFO 100 years ago
>still mad
Puberty's hard, brah
>>56633130
are you that Serbian shill that believes Mother Russia Can Do No Wrong?
>>56633130
Ok Keked Reich
>>56632922
>>"A short-term border violation can never be a pretext for an attack,"
Lol am i te only turk here
>>56633225
Your whole nation is a big hemorrhoid.
>>56633225
>Estonian taking sides with Muslims because of historical butthurt
big surprise. this is why your country will never survive
>>56630483
kek
>>56633201
>>Only one country in the world is standing up to Muslims
Yeah, Putin oh le great saviour of the white race funding building of mosques in russia.
I know you all like this meme and shit.
But stop.
>>56629970
>Rofl turks faggots violated greece air SPACE 1.000 Times this year.
Turkey isn't bombing ethnic Greeks.
Russia is bombing ethnic Turks in Syria.
>>56632042
It wasn't justified. Nations cross into each others territory all the time and nothing happens because WW3 would have occured 70 years ago if we went berserk constantly. Turkey invades syrian airspace all the time, this will give russia the excuse to shoot anyone down from now on and blame the turks and american support of turks as the precedent. The worst thing for putin to do is NOTHING because it says "ok you were right". Now he can blow israeli, turkish, american forces out of the sky and use this as his argument.
>>56633201
>Only one country in the world is standing up to Muslims
lolwat
Nice proxy Oleksandr
>>56628769
it wasn't Turkey it was a surface to air missile launched by Malaysia Airlines
payback is a bitch, and the bitch is a bad russian mother named Olenka
>>56633201
>Russia
>standing up to muslims
Toп КÐК
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqQcZwf-i4A
>>56633225
Italian, what now Jaagup?
>>56633225
Butthurt baltic scum, please.
>>56630825
sources on that?
>>56633324
just because I think Serbians are retarded doesn't instantly mean that I'm against everything they're for
They're siding with Russia to be contrarian, I'm siding with Russia because it's the right thing to do at the current time.
>>56633503
idk, sounded like your typical Serbian rhetoric of "fuck you kebab I stand with russia woo" and Germany has a lot of people from the Balkans in it
>>56631044
Don't you have to go find a Syrian refugee to go and breed your wife with or something Hanz, fuck off.
>>56632922
Russia is constantly violating Turkey's borders.
They have been warned several times.
Turkey has shot down a Russian drone flying in Turkish airspace.
Russia kept at it and now have to deal with the consequences.
>>56628769
reasonable nations don't risk a war because of MUH 17 SECONDS
>>56628769
The Russian pilot was hit by ground fire while descending in his parachute, these are "moderate" rebels and friends of the white house, some look like Obama's sons.
>>56632913
Russian MoD thinks otherwise though. And they told that it was an intentional steal kill with no radar lock + IR missile. So pilots didn't even know what was happening. Maybe Turkish air defense thought that it was a Syrian airplane, since it was like the first time su-24 bombers were flying without su-30mk fighter support.
>>56632913
To be honest all this "WE WARNED THEM" confirmed only by... Turks, lol. Russian Ministry of Defense says that you didn't. And it's a Turkish aircraft invaded Syria's airspace. Who is right? We have no actual evidence now. Anyway - that was unnecessary
>>56633810
Those pilots were bombing those same rebels.
That was the whole reason they were there.
So of course they killed the pilots.
>>56633880
Russian brothers, we stand with u, lets remove kebab.
>>56633880
>>56633919
You know all Russian media is Kremlin propaganda.....right?
>>56633949
No, you don't kill defenseless people, not even clog wogs.
It just goes to show how fucked up the world is when that's acceptable.
>>56629749
>sweden copied my post to spread the word
my nigga
http://www.nato.int/nato_static/assets/pdf/pdf_archives/20121128_19530312_NU_SHAPE-282-53_Rules_for_Engagement_of_Unidentifie.pdf
Don't forget to put the link on the most liberal ROE in NATO history, showing that the turks would have fucked up even while we were shooting down soviet pilots in a proxy war in korea.
>>56631044
>are you going to post the objective truth in every thread
I hope so mehmet. Congrats on your homeland being the only NATO country ever to produce an unprovoked act of war in what is a simple interception and turnaround mission in any other country.
It has been that way since 1949 and our airspace breaches number in the hundred thousand mark with no international act of war being caused by either side.
East Germany didn't scramble when we sent jets and bombers to west Berlin, much less shoot them down.
God help you if this wasn't a SAM shoot-down, as after the NATO meeting turkey's unapologetic stance has crumbled due to the realization that article 5 is nullified.
Pray for plausible deniability.
Cant wait for russia to attack turkish forces violating syrias sovereign land
>>56633698
What part of never do you not understand?
Turkey is constantly violating Syria's borders. They also fund and support ISIS. They're absolute hypocrites and need to be boot stomped.
>>56634067
Oh please, this is war.
And those pilots were still armed with a pistol.
>>56633207
lol i am pretty mad over this i fucking hate daesh and their supporters.
>>56634109
They basically can't, cause kebabs are in NATO.
>>56634042
And your media is Obamas propaganda. So what?
This shit makes me really sad cuz we turks dont even like isis but people think we support them like sure there might be some people who support isis but that dosent mean we all wanna strap bombs on our selfs and blow up i was really sad about that russian plane thing i think thats not the was'nt the solution
>>56633919
Your MoD claimed a SU-25 "shot down" MH17. Why should we believe it now?
>>56634169
It's war when they have the advantage, when they're hiding under their kids bed so the nasty soldiers can't find them for war crimes the war is suddenly over.
>>56634195
So if turkey step a foot or fly inside syria nato will get involved?
>>56628769
1. nato rules of engagement
2. decency
3. the value of human life
Considering Russia is the only country whose airforce is actually allowed to be in Syrian airspace by the Syrian government (which is still recognized by the UN), I'm going to be laughing my balls off when they start lining the border with anti-aircraft weapons and swatting Turkish planes out of the sky.
Also the Kurds just got a new financial backer and arms supplier.
>>56629970
>1.000 times
Are you exaggerating the fact that it was once and only once?
Or are you a fag and using a period where a comma should be.
>>56628769
if turkey wish to have a fight with russia, i think it's time for them to leave NATO or for us to get out. picking a fight with russia is soo damn retarded.
been wacthing RT's covering of the insident, damn they run a lot of russian propaganda, they are almost as bad as CNN and FOX
>>56634552
http://www.businessinsider.com/turkish-and-greek-jets-engaged-in-dogfight-2015-7
>Although violations happen with frequency between the two countries, Turkey and Greece have seen a rapid increase in incidents since 2013. In the first month of 2014 alone, Turkish aircraft allegedly violated Greek airspace 1,017 times, Gurcan reports. This was twice the number of total airspace violations between the two countries for the first half of 2013.
>>56634125
I'm sure the Turks are shaking in their boots... Watch out here comes Canada to give you a boot stomping!
>>56634837
what the fuck would you know? 1917 lmao.
>muh defending airspace
Only, you're not defending shit given the Russian plane was headed to attack ISIS
>>56634837
Canada isn't going to do anything. Russia will though.
>>56634256
>we turks
>that flag
>>56631398
>"oyy blyeeet cyka sorry m8s" and they gb2 russia
I fucking keked.
Putin won't do a damn thing. This incident will show that Putin is all bark and no bite and the next US administration will hopefully understand that.
>>56628769
It's Russia and they have nukes. Fuck off Turk.
>>56629917
Literally all the fucking time m8
>>56631416
Turkey, NATO, and the Pentagon are all reporting that the fighter jet was in TURKISH airspace. Obviously the russians dispute this, but really dude, you're gonna believe putin after all the cheeky bullshit he's pulled?
>>56635437
NATO reported it was in Turkish airspace for 17 seconds which means Turkey was in the wrong no matter whose side you look at.
>>56635560
Okay maybe I'm just a dumb motherfucker but I'm not quite sure I understand your post brah.
Everyone is violating everyone else's airspace. You just escort them back and violate their airspace later. It's a common etiquette by now. By shooting down that plane you just show how uncivilized you are. Learn some manners you filthy turks, this is why nobody likes you.
>>56635142
>"Next US administration will understand that"
>so they keep arming terrorists in Syria and overthrow Assad for Israel
>2015
>Being a weaboo
>Being a russiaboo
*tips ushanka while holding my katana*
>>56635437
Russian MoD confirmed that they were in Turkish airspace few times before by mistake. And not just for 17 seconds. Why didn't they shoot them before then? Why did they properly set a visual contact and escorted them according to RoE?
>>56635635
The plane was in Turkish airspace for only 17 seconds before it was shot down. That is a completely unreasonable amount of time to give it to leave, it should have been at least 30 seconds before they shot it.
>>56635787
But I never said any of that cheeki breeki senpai baka tbqf
>>56628769
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-18584872
>A short-term border violation can never be a pretext for an attack," he said. The Turkish jet was on a training flight, testing Turkey's radars in the eastern Mediterranean, he said.
TOP KEK
>>56635635
If what NATO says is true, and it was in Turkish airspace on a pathway out and posed no danger to them and was even only in the airspace for 17 seconds, it's illegal for them to go and shoot it out of the sky.
There are certain ways they have to handle it unless it's some imminent attack. It was not going to bomb Turkey, everybody knows this and it was leaving. They literally had to leave Turkish airspace to even engage it. There is no version of any law that makes what Turkey did not an act of aggression by all accounts currently given.
>>56628769
it takes me longer than 17 seconds to call and tell them to fuck off.
>>56628769
>My nation have zero military industry and is 100% dependant on 20 years old western tech to wage war.
>The nation who invaded my airspace is several orders of magnitude larger, more numerous, with an independant military and a massive land army, and have antagonistic goals in regional politics.
>I cant really count on any of my western "allies" because i've been pretty much exposed as keeping the statu quo going for my personal gains, giving a hand to the jihadists who got my very own allies teamed up against them.
Sure, Turkey was "within it's right" to shoot it down after warnings. But it was retarded, and is pretty much a one time thing if they dont want to get annihilated. They got their bravado, and now they'll lay low hoping to remain unoticed if they're not retarded.
>Be a scrawny dude
>Bear walks by
>'what the fuck, you little faggot bear who u think u are'
>Scrawny man proceeds to be mauled
>>56634320
You can't even find Russian submarine. Why should I take your posts seriously?
>>56636254
>sandnigger keeping lay low when they are alone
like poetry
>>56635900
>>56635917
It seems I was not aware of all the facts.
That's what only reading from free news sources will get you.
Its not yet clear if there has been breaches in airspace, and by whom exactly. Either way Turkey has overstepped its boundaries not only by downing that plane, but with their statements.
>Turkey’s ambassador to the United States, Serdar Kilic, tweeted: “Understand this: Turkey is a country whose warnings should be taken seriously and listened to. Don’t test Turkey’s patience. Try to win its friendship.“
I am guessing they are feeling ballsy because muh NATO, which by the way I hope will react to this incident accordingly and punish those smelly muslims.
Then comes the second issue with the videos of dead pilots which were killed by le moderate rebels, and that right there is a war crime. And hopefully will serve as an eye opener to the rest of the world that based Assad is the only good solution for Syria
>>56635142
>This incident will show that Putin is all bark and no bite
Chechnya, Georgia, and Crimea would like to have a word with you.
>>56628769
None beats a Russian chess player. Watch how Putin teasing the dogs of war out of their cave.
We would never know who are the biggest threat to world peace if the Russians wouldn't made a move on ISIS.
Buckle up folks.The game just starts to get interesting.
>>56634169
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacks_on_parachutists
>>56634685
It's fucking funny how nobody ever says anything about this. Guess Americ-ucks really love smelly kebab.
>>56632794
>implying pakistans nukes arent irrelevant,
they arent big enough to take out a village
implying iran+saudi arabia has nukes
>french education
>>56635437
Turkey MOD confirmed encroachment of 17 seconds but the flightpath and where the plane was hit by the missile were out of turkey before the launch.
The jet was in turkish airspace for 17 seconds. How else did the pilots get forced to eject over rebels?
Im sure they wish they crashed in turkey and avoided the slaughter. Turkey said it.
Regardless, thats a breach in ROE to the extreme.
>>56636465
Turkey is among the strongest militaries, both in the ME and in NATO. And NATO has already said they back the Turks in their downing of the Fencer.
A war with Turkey alone would be very difficult for Russia. A war with NATO would be suicidal.
>>56636729
>Greeks not having enough balls to shoot their rivals out of the sky
Or maybe not enough money to scramble any fighters,
>>56634519
I wanna see this happen so bad
ok, some faggot niggernation is invading your nation with their niggers, tell me three reasons why you shouldn't bomb the fuck out of the invaders
>>56636827
Russia isn't going to directly go to war with Turkey, that would be a nigger movie. See: >>56634519
>>56636854
Or maybe we can't do shit because you Amerikeks will immediately rush to defend your precious kebab.
>>56629725
>>Russia constantly violating different counry's airspace
>russia never once engage in warfare when violating and have not been shot down since 1950
>russia bombs isis oil line and terrorist turkmens for a few days and turk respond with attacking and killing russian bombers over a minor misconduct.
They were barely inside and the turks followed no ROE... fuck em
>>56628769
>Russia is killing bombmudslimes for you
>Better kill their pilots when they enter my space
>If Turkey was a half decent country they would have killed ISIS 6 moths ago.
>mfw Turkey invaded Greek airspace 22 time this summer.
>mfw Greece did not blow the fuck out of them.
>>56635917
Nope. It needs to be completely non compliant, not on an exit course, must be visually communicated with in case the radio is down, and then can the order to fire be given when all other methods have been exhausted.
Alternatively, they need to be in the process of performing a hostile action, which is set in stone. Any other time but a direct attack or preparation for an attack like the Bombay doors opening while heading towards a military target, must happen after complete interception and communication methods have been all used accordingly.
>>56635917
>>56636112
>>56636764
Gotcha, I was out of the house all day until now and only read the stories that were released this morning. Thanks for responses
>>56631373
I wanna see Russia/Greece shoot down the Turkish aircraft that constantly violate Syria's/Greece's airspace
Let's see who will be talking shit then
>>56637075
Except Turkey needs ISIS as a proxy to obliterate the kurds
How new are you?
>>56628769
>tell me three reasons why you shouldn't bomb the fuck out of the invaders
Because I'm turkey and the ruskies are going to rape my ass soon.
Putin is not a pussy like obongo.
>>56635142
What do propose Putin do? Nuke Ankara? Anyways they already cut military ties and probably will forbid tourism (at the very least strongly condemn it) into turkey.
Also of course beef up military presence in the area (already announced). Hopefully shoot down some mudslime jets that accidentally fly into Syria.
We'll see
so is this a legit act of war yay or nay
>>56628769
Fuck Yeah!
>>56628769
"our country doesn't support terrorist organizations backed by other western and rich arab coounties"?
>>56636463
NATO already announced they support Turkey's actions.
>>56636942
Russia doesn't have the capacity to easily place SAMs near where Turkish jets are operating. They don't have control of any border areas. Perhaps if they moved some of their longer-range AD systems there.
Moreover, the shooting down of Coalition aircraft would be an extreme escalation, given the broad support for its work even outside NATO countries in the UN. Would be globally regarded as a quintessential dick move. Wouldn't scare Turkey, but it would enrage them and to a lesser degree most of the planet.
>>56636254
Don't forget that technically in international law, and as defined by NATO ROE, this was a blatant act of war. Add on to that, the aircraft was there for 17 seconds at most, 8 of those seconds meaningful before the exit path was clearly defined, and exited the border before the missile was fired.
Because article 5 and NATO is defense based ONLY, article 5 is nullified due to the turks attacking first.
The NATO report states that they are hoping for a diplomatic solution and hoping the turks and russians reconcile peacefully. They also did not answer most of the questions and are not leading the talks or backing up the turks beyond "I hope".
It's between ankara and moscow now, and NATO has no duty to intervene if violent reprisal is put upon the turks. The turkish government went straight to NATO with their heads high and came out dead silent and going straight to moscow. Russia is not going there.
>>56628769
Really? I wasn't aware that Turkey's air space was in Syria
>>56631735
Some parts of the Border are controlled by ISIS and ISIS has anti aircraft weapons...
If Greece and Turkey have Grey areas where is the report about the Greeks in Turkinsh air space?
Why did the number go from 636 to 2244 since they got a new president?
>>56637651
>Russia doesn't have the capacity to easily place SAMs near where Turkish jets are operating.
But some S-300's might conveniently find their way into the hands of Kurds and other enemies of Turkey
>Moreover, the shooting down of Coalition aircraft would be an extreme escalation, given the broad support for its work even outside NATO countries in the UN.
They would be fully within international law to shoot down Turkish jets violating Syrian airspace upon request by the Syrian government.
>>56632987
Because those Ruskies are there to stop those barbarians that raping children front of their parents to death..You swenska fagot.
>>56632913
Putin is going to assrape you gorillas so fucking hard you'll be wearing diapers for weeks.
>>56637845
>But some S-300's might conveniently find their way into the hands of Kurds and other enemies of Turkey
Russia isn't going to place expensive, long-range AD systems in the hands of groups it has virtually no pull with.
>They would be fully within international law to shoot down Turkish jets violating Syrian airspace upon request by the Syrian government.
Nobody gives a shit about Syrian sovereignty anymore. Nobody. The Syrians could complain, but nobody would side with them but Russia and the usual suspects of Venezuela, Iran etc.
>>56637645
Are you srs?
sauce?
>>56628769
there are airspaces violations every day between us and turks but never a shooting. This is just an excuse for war.
>>56638115
>Russia isn't going to place expensive, long-range AD systems in the hands of groups it has virtually no pull with.
They certainly could give them something, whether it's S-300's or more lightweight SAMs.
>Nobody gives a shit about Syrian sovereignty anymore. Nobody.
You mean to say that NATO doesn't give a shit about their sovereignty anymore. Besides, the reason for this is simply because they don't have the ability to defend themselves.
>>56629749
Throw Turkey of the NATO and they will join Russia trust me, Russia prefers to ignore a war with Turkey and receive Turkey with open arms to be their ally.
Now that NATO doesn't have Turkey, they will lose the borders from Europe to Asia.
>>56637845
>>56637651
Canada is right you know.
Regardless, turkey completely violated the NATO ROE. NATO said they have backing only to pursue the diplomatic solution to all of this, because again, being the aggressor to a war does not allow you to use article 5.
They launched the missile after the aircraft had left turkish airspace and did absolutely nothing to intercept the encroachment properly or reasonably, and committed a grievous act of war by firing upon a non hostile target whose direct flight path was out of turkish airspace the minute he entered.
>>56631633
they never actually enter just come close to check the uk repsonse time
>>56638236
"As we have repeatedly made clear, we stand in solidarity with Turkey and support the territorial integrity of our NATO ally, Turkey," NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said after an emergency meeting of the 28-nation defense pact.
>>56631373
looking forward to greece shoting down your planes everyday from now on
>>56633410
You right! No Russians for you.
What you need is those child raping barbarians to wake up from your slumber, stupid polis sausage.
>>56632336
>Syria and Turkey are neighbors. There are many undefined/gray spots on the border between then, so airspace violations are common.
Same bolloxs
>>56628769
>Fucking Civil War next to your borders
>sky filled with planes
>One plane that may or may not be armed
>"invaders"
>They didn't respond, s-shoot it down!
>P-Protocol!
Okay, Giovanni.
>>56638431
>implying you were invading them
Why is NATO keked to Islamic dogs?
>>56636942
>Russia isn't going to directly go to war with Turkey
Turkey already declared war on us by unlawfully downing our plane over Syrian airspace.
>>56629859
the F-16 is kawaii senpai
Friendly little Ruski jet on his way to bomb some ISIS, comes a itty bitty too close to the Turkish border. Turkey shoots down plane.
And now Putin is all like.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhQst2mFlJM
>>56638431
jesus christ, do these people have a brain in their heads?
Anyway good luck Vlad, its time to take back Constantinople
>>56628769
Because they're bombing the enemy in a warzone retard.
>>56639184
>Turkey and the rebels it backs northern Syria had the right to defend themselves against Russian airstrikes, State Department spokesman told reporters. The rebels reportedly killed one Russian pilot who ejected from the jet hit by a Turkish missile.
>During the regular press briefing, Mark Toner said the Syrian government did not have such a right, though.
I don't sure anymore.
>>56633225
Estonia?...Never heard off!
Oh wait.. the latest country/acquisition of toys by the NWO in the game of war & peace. Got ya!!
>>56639917
>The rebels reportedly killed one Russian pilot
>Syrian government did not have such right
Not gonna lie, this genuinely rustled me. They are actually trying to blame Assad for this massive fuck up,.
>>56638431
>NATO not following its own laws, making them null and void, and setting a bad precedent for nations to follow; nations that are already wary or unfriendly to NATO
Fucking. Stupid.
>>56640591
>>56640558
At the same time, according to BBC: "Pentagon spokesman, Peter Cook, still saying that the US cannot definitively conclude that Turkish airspace has been compromised", lol.
>>56632252
Hate to break it to you but you know your country does not matter anymore right? Not Muslims enough for the Muslims and not western enough for the westerners, and the cherry on the turd is you constantly wanting to fuck with your neighbors.
>>56640933
Surprised US officials actually showed some common sense, and are holding their statements until its determined what really happened with all the evidence put together.
>>56641605
It's kinda weird in US right now. Dems and Obama seem to be going full-on pro-Turkey right now, repubs and many senior officials are unsure and all over the place with their opinions.
>>56641737
There will be a "fight of evidences", I guess. Russian MoD has published video with the satellite records that proves Su-24 never invaded Turkey's airspace. Lets see what NATO/USA/Turks will provide. This stupid story isn't over yet...
>>56641737
Ah, of course Obongo backs Turkey. I swear its like that fucking nigger wants to start a world war before his term expires. I remember you guys had some shit with China a couple of weeks ago, when your ships came too close to their islands.
>>56642138
The same "evidence" they provided about MH17?
>>56635259
Those aren't violations
Those are the Russians flying in international airspace close to the US
>>56642897
Oh, you again. Still searching for our submarine, bro?
>>56632650
This guy gets it.
>>56642428
>their islands
Planting a flag and building shit on a piece of land doesn't make it yours. Especially when said island is not in your protected economic development zone. South China Seas doesn't extend all the way into wherever you want it, you damn Commie.
>>56633698
For goodness sake Neanderthal man, take your head out of the muzzie war mongrels ass and stop embarrassing yourselves.
>>56629917
There is a Russian submarine in Scotland and jets were scrambled yesterday again you British cunt.
>>56643237
You still live like shit because of corruption?
>>56628769
Theres no reason to not to shoot them down, and I am just so happy that they got balls to do that.
Only if we would do the same.
>>56643726
says the rape capital of the western world
>>56643726
You still listen to ABBA in 2015?
>>56644132
>No reason
Outside of NATO and international law, right? Who needs them anyway, right?
Turkey not supporting isis , they support turkmen jihadists near their border who fight against Assad and isis
>>56636827
We heard that before.
Any more mews from CNN ?
>>56631398
>>"oyy blyeeet cyka sorry m8s" and they gb2 russia
except this time they didn't said that
>>56644132
nah,, russian pilots where just too drunk to read the map or something.
>>56644403
Like I give a shit about that. Will still live a better life than Ivan (hopefully).
>>56644649
Nice comeback. And oh, I am Russian
>>56631538
i did it once in bf1942
>>56645182
>Self-hating Ruskie
Hello mr.traitor.
>>56645299
Don't hate the people, just don't like the country.
>Fagot keeps getting on your lawn
>Tell them to stop
>Keep doing it
>Shoot them the fuck down
>Everyone acts shocked
Turkey is just using gun rights on the world stage.
>>56645393
how could you possibly hate anyone
>>56645521
Because I am a zionist.
>>56637434
Cool!!
Gimme us a min to get our popcorn to enjoy fully when those barbarians turning and start raping Turkish ass's.
>>56645182
If I had to choose between moving to Sweden or Russia, I'd choose Russia. Why? Because they have a future. You guys have fucked yourselves permanently.
>>56646916
Youll have to wait 50 years for that future
>>56634519
you think you sound smart but you're forgetting the no-hostility agreement between usa and russia over airstrikes. usa didn't rent the incirlik afb from turkey for nothing, they gave turkey the clearance to take out pkk. in return, they will use incirlik to bomb syrian targets.
turkey was not going to be bombing anywhere in syria, and they will gladly defer to united states as they are running the same agenda. good luck having russia swat american planes.
russia was the supporter of the kurds already. turkey lost nothing in this scenario, except from some PR and the business relations in Russia, although they gained nothing either apart from some nationalistic masturbation. turkey was doomed to be isolated in syria before today.
in essence, you're a stupid faggot.
Who cares about air space?
Like, literally who cares? How the fuck does some arbitrary borders matter more than human lives?
>>56641317
SO F@c#i*g TRUE!!!!!!
>>56647181
Oh the irony. Don't forget to find some new excuses for MH17.
>>56646916
>Russia
>Future
Do you really think Kadyrov's shitskins are better than those invading EU right now? Go on, come here. I can even try to help you with information. Just to laugh at you walking the streets of Moscow, gaping at the amount of shitskins and at how they literally are never blamed for anything.
>>56628769
Because you are aware of the geopolitical stage around you and you know they are bombing terrorists.
>>56638431
wtf NATO?!
>>56647181
nigger it's very simple, there is a border, you don't cross it end of the story
You were stupid enough to shoot down the parachuting pilots.
>>56628769
>invading national airspace
>spending literally 17 seconds over a dumb nook in your countries border
pick one...
>>56631122
>American roleplaying as his country
I didnt know you were a pilot m8 :^]
If Turkey get away with shooting down a jet can we start killing the refugees? They illegaly criss it
>>56647497
>Kadyrov
>Moscow
I would obviously move somewhere far away from those Muslim infested cesspools. The point is that they're contained.
I hope Turkey becomes a radioactive wasteland
Dirty disgusting kebabs the lot of them
>>56644773
Bet you couldn't tell the difference between Erdogan and Assad without switching on to CNN.
I gave you a clue. They both barking but one have a border which is soaked after by the rich middle eastern robber sheikhs to build their permanent pipeline to Europe. The other one have a chicken brain filled with false promises in exchange for killing his muzzie brothers for a return of the great Ottoman Empire.
>>56628769
>some faggot nation is invading your nation
>Tell me three reasons why you shouldn't bomb the fuck out of the invaders
But if muslims do it, its wrong.
Kek
>>56628769
Do you know that Russia and Turkey had an agreement about border control after that recent trespassing accident? This is the reason our bombers were flying without fighters support.
Even according to map provided by Turks, SU-24 was staying in their airspace for 2(!) seconds. Our MOD stands there was no violation at all.
Reminder, that if you support Turkey on this, you support IS.
>>56649297
For me both Turkey and Russia lying
- Turkey claims Turkmen people lives there and russia bombing them instead of isis . The things is real turkmens already left the area the people over there mostly experienced chechen jihadist armed by erdogan . .
-Russia claiming that fighting isis but bombing village near turkey full of armed jihadist against Isis and Assad Its like they they clean entire fucking syria and only place left is fucking bayirbucak . WTF putin .
>>56635635
17 seconds isn't enough time to warn someone you are in their airspace and need to get the fuck out. It's fucking retarded to immediately shoot someone down like that, especially if you are a shit country like Turkey, unless you have a deathwish.
Give us back Constantinople mother fuckers!
>>56629626
underrated post
>>56628769
Russia violates Finnish airspace several times a month. I'm glad that Sergei got killed. Won't be harassing sovereign nations anymore.
>>56631398
>"oyy blyeeet cyka sorry m8s" and they gb2 russia
