>2015
>Studying STEM
>Thinking you're going to make any money now that it's the new "doctor" field
>"oh go into medical field be doctor!" -parents of 2008
>"oh go into stem field be big boy programmer" -parents of 2015
>Not using your brain and realizing with all these people rushing to STEM field, there is a giant shortage of blue collar workers, further strengthened by the fact blue collar jobs are looked down upon
>Not taking a few months of your time and learning how to weld, and then making a shit ton of money and investing in the stocks with it
What's your excuse?
tfw december 2014 graduate M.S. Biomedical Engineer and still can't haven't found work. Too competitive and no entry level.
My excuse is that I make $250/hr programming and I have to routinely turn down work because I have so many offers.
Enjoy your retinas falling off.
>>56622456
This is what happens when you do what your parents tell you to do.
>"oh but son! Computer majors make alot of money! Don't do welding!"
-my father.
I am now making 60k a year from welding + an extra few thousand from my portfolio, and meanwhile all my STEM friends have graduated and still have yet to find any work what so ever.
The only thing that sucks is that women look down on blue collar jobs. Gettin' kinda lonely. Always brothels for that.
>>56622456
>Biomedical Engineering
Found your problem. Too stupid for chemical/aerospace/nuclear engineering?
>>56622197
>be 17
>forced down pre-med track by parents
>graduate with a philosophy degree
>work a few years in pharm research due to undergrad research experience
>now in top law school in DC
Find your own path, /pol/ bros.
>>56622583
Great on you bud.
You better be sure to invest in some stocks with a bit of your spare cash for when your field gets imploded from all the new people moving in and taking all your work.
Right now you're valuable because even with all the people in STEM, there's not enough, but that will change REALLY soon, and when there's a surplus of people who can do a good or service, the value of that service performed goes down.
That's why blue collar shit is so well paid now. No one is going into it, so the supply is low and demand is high.
You should be prepared to move around in your career all your life Anon, because the job market is a very unstable machine like this. For 5 years or so, your field may be stable, but eventually it'll change.
Even though I'm comfortable in welding, I'm still looking for more jobs when the day comes it's no longer profitable.
>>56622583
(Seriously though, welding is badass, I make more money programming but I have a lot of respect for people who make physical shit with their hands. Good for you. I plan on taking up wood-working once I move out of the city and get my own workshop.)
>associates in comp info systems after this semester
>getting tired of sitting in front a computer all the time and copy pasting code
>realize the IT meme is a joke
>considering going into electrician apprenticeship.
What do pol?
>>56622583
what languages do you code in?
>STEM
>Medical
Why'd you pick the meme STEM jobs like computer programming that everyone else did instead of just finding any of the medical ones requiring licensure? They're all hiring always.
>>56622996
How do you invest your cash? Although I make a lot of money, my cash-flow is very sporadic and I have poor financial management discipline. This is something I'm hoping to improve on.
What's your trading strategy? I think if I got in on that game, I'd want to invest in higher risk funds in fields that I have actual knowledge/influence in, versus general index funds.
>>56622999
Also, dub dub trips yo.
>>56622197
>STEM is all programming
looks like you're just a retard for going into the most saturated STEM field there is.
I wish I could be a smoke jumper/construction worker half of the time and do computer work half of the time
>>56623353
If you're looking to create a retirement nest egg, pick a tracker fund, invest in it regularly and just leave it for twenty years.
That's all you should be doing.
If you get a little windfall here and there from inheriting money or a fucking lottery ticket or whatever, then maybe invest that in something more higher risk but your main idea should be to play it safe and - most importantly - just fucking leave it alone for years.
All this active management shit is equivalent to betting on the horses. Like I said, if you have a little left over to do it, feel free but for financial security, keep it simple.
>>56623353
Use some common sense mostly.
Like around Valentines day - what is in high demand? Chocolate. So, I'll drop a few into cocoa and it'll make a nice return. Also invest in some commodoties like silver or gold, and hold on to them.
You can also grab some long-term investments, for instance wine. Buy some relatively expensive wine, and hold onto it for a few years. At the end, it'll be triple the value, and you can net a very nice profit on it.
>>56622197
electrical engineering technician is a good degree for cheap with lots of jobs to be honest family
>>56623143
Anything.
You are seriously harming yourself by being an 'X' programmer. IMO, if you are _really_ good, the language really isn't important - algorithmic/systems thinking is, as well as development process and project management. Everything else is just syntax. Don't be a code monkey. As soon as you know how to do a thing, you're done, move on and learn the next thing.
I'm more of an 'architect' these days, but I'll still dive into the code, everything from linux kernel drivers to front-end javascript frameworks.
If you can do everything, then you can do anything.
>>56623602
I dunno.
Personally I think anyone going into STEM just for programming is a dumbass who has no idea what they're doing, not only because it's saturated, but because your time wasted in college can be better spent working on your own projects and gaining experience that way and putting your stuff up on a site like Github for employers to look at when you go to apply for them.
Programming is one of the few jobs where you can gain experience for it without having to go to work for it, which is why alot of companies don't require a degree to get a programming job, just a good looking portfolio.
Shit, it's not uncommon in programming related jobs for the fag with the degree to get turned down over the homeschooled kid who spent about 7 years of his life programming.
They don't even really teach you much about programming in computer science. I've heard alot of stories from my buds about people going into the interviews fresh out of college with their fancy slip of paper not knowing how to do even the basics of programming, like a for loop.
Maybe I'm wrong but the problem with American STEM degrees (and American degrees across the board) is the general nature of them.
When you come here and study something like physics, you do physics and mathematics from day one. That shit is all you do. The idea that you can fuck around for one or two years on various random subjects and then "pick your major" and expect to be anywhere near an advanced level is a hilarious idea to Euros.
>>56622197
>implying i cant do manual labor that i might teach myself in a matter of days
>implying stock markets wont collapse leaving millions of useless corporate drones dicking around on excel sheets out of work
masterrace EEng here, enjoy being useless while me and my physics and chemics buddies make this world a better place every day
>>56623775
>the language isn't important
It isn't.
Programming languages are tools. Choose the right tool for the job. Don't specialize in fucking C# or whatever. If you're serious about programming, then it helps to become varied. Learn all sorts of programming languages.
>>56622197
you should at least minor in STEM so you're not a liberal retard that can't manage his finances and votes for bernie.
>>56623999
>Thinking that you're going to be useful when the stock markets crash
You serious?
>>56622456
>>56622658
>>56622726
Nah it was no walk in the park, I studied neural engineering and computational modeling. My fuck up was not networking enough or getting an internship thinking the M.S. would be enough to land me a starting job.
>>56622737
I swear, the american education system makes no sense to me at all.
>pre-med
ok, i guess, so you want to be a physician.
>philosophy degree
what? B-but muh pre-med? philosophy like in REAL philosophy? that's beyond useless.
>pharm research
with what? a fucking bachelors in philosophy? I'm sure those big ass pharmacy firms were just waiting for your 20 year old ass to research shit for them.
>now law school
from pre-med to philosophy to law? wtf are you muricans fucking doing.
In germany one would study you know, fucking law from the start. Crazy, i know.
>>56623701
Currently doing white collar analyst work with a business/math degree.
I'm right now researching electrician apprenticeships, because I'm tired of doing nothing meaningful besides shuffling data around to make some foreigners rich.
>>56622583
i wanna live like this
>>56624124
People who understand basic physics will be just as useful after a crash as people who can build shit.
Can you rig up a 500MW solar array? Can you design a chemical/mechanical energy storage system? Etc etc etc
We need both. Ideally, STEM people learn physical skills and blue collar people can learn some physics. Not mutually exclusive
>>56624295
No idea why I quoted that guy.
Since I did, I'll add to his point. A basket of low expense radio index funds balanced to reduce diversifiable risk will almost always outperform active funds.
The key to successful investment is consistency and unemotional decision making. Make a plan and stick to it for 30 years.
>>56622737
what the fuck did you do
>be me
>go to school for architecture
>work as an architectural intern
>graduate with degree in architecture
>get licensed as an architect
>work as license architect
>>56623964
> look at me i got a fancy degree in computer science i will change teh wurld!@#!@#
> interviewer: what is a nested for loop?
> huh? are you kidding me? what the heck is that? this is a test right?
there is no fucking way people can be this retarded,
>>56622197
So which is it? Did you fail out of a CS program or did you cheat your way through only to find that you had no idea what you were doing upon graduation?
Is it that you never went to college and you're just parroting shit you have see others say on 4chan?
>mfw became compTIAA+, ITIL, CREST, CASP, and CISSP certified while doing fuck all in college
>mfw all those university graduates stacked up on debt and not even learned useful skills for the job market
top kek
>>56624331
It's pretty great. Much harder to do if you're not in the US, I'm afraid.
The flip side of not having any social safety net is that if you're actually talented, you can soar. (It just sucks if you're not from a privileged group. As a smart young white guy, it's awesome.)
>>56624631
It is rather common, a lot of kids cheat their way through computer science programs.
>>56622737
Most 4chan spergs don't know why 99% of philosophy majors choose that program.
Seriously, ask around the boards. If you mention philosophy you'll just have a bunch of morons laugh at you.
>>56624631
Nope.
I'm serious.
You can even google it. It's a fact that most Comp Sci graduates don't know how to do much programming at all, and then they try to go get programming jobs.
I'm not saying a Comp Sci degree is useless but if you think it's going to be your golden ticket to any job in the world with programming you're just stupid.
A better thing to do if you are going for a Comp Sci degree, (other than not doing it) would be to, while you are working on it, learn how to program on your own terms and go get internships.
As I said before, program some tools, and put them on Github.
If you don't know what to make - automate shit that you hate doing in your day to day computing.
If it's a problem of "idk wat langug 2 do!!"
Then start with Python, go move onto whatever interests you from there. You interested in doing Windows shit? Go onto C# You intersted in doing multiplatform shit? Go to Java(shittier language).
>>56622197
real estate master race
>>56622658
Got my degree in Illustration. My portfolio was enough to give me a full ride (cheap tuition anyways) to an art school. Really only went to get away from home problems. Now make $60k/year as a professional photoshopper. Useless talent, useless degree, still better off than all my friends.
>>56624699
I never went to college because it's a waste of time. There is nothing I want to major in other than Computer Science, and that degree is generally just a thing that opens more doors, doors that I don't need to have opened. I'd rather not waste 4 years of my time just to open a few more job opportunities. That, and programming is more of just a hobby thing to me than anything.
With welding, I'm making alot of money, without wasting a shit ton of time + no debt.
>>56624295
as if
>>56625138
greatest ally is greatest
>>56625346
>With welding, I'm making alot of money, without wasting a shit ton of time + no debt.
but your paying for it with your body
>>56622197
>rushing to STEM field
kek
>>56625450
Also true with programming. Probably worse.
Programming wrecks your back, wrists, eyes.. we are the miners of the modern day.
>>56625346
Acetylene? Mig? Tig?
>>56625236
Nice.
Honestly mate I think doing that is one of the more stable fields. Any fool can be a code monkey, but not everyone can be an art monkey. Still, even if it seems stable now, it could change in 5 years. Make sure you don't get too /comfy/ and be sure to have your fall back plans.
>>56625450
?
If you refer to me damaging my eyes or something or breathing in toxic fumes, one of the first things I did was buy the best equipment I could.
If you refer to me making it with my body as in literally, well so what?
>>56622197
im not a subhuman who enjoy simple things i have 140+ iq so ofc im becoming an engineer building your pc so you can shitpost some more
>>56625582
Doesn't matter.
As I said, the field is being imploded with so many people entering it.
>>56625726
Well, obviously you're not smart enough to realize that soon that's going to fall in on itself and there will be a surplus of people able to do your work, and the value of your work will go down as a result. You'd think with all that knowledge and that big IQ of yours you'd think to read up on basic economics.
>>56625577
>>56625577
>we are the miners of the modern day
bitcoin miners :^)
>>56625611
I've been at it for 5 years already (its porn btw). I'm just saving my money for now and slowly an-heroing by way of pro-wrestling training. I figure my degeneracy will grow stale one day and I'll move on to more meaningful pursuits. For now I'll continue to create propaganda for /pol/ using my shoop skills.
>>56624550
I envy you, anon. Architecture is cool as fuck.
>>56625865
Bad-um tish.
Tried BTC for a while at the beginning, but it's just such an obvious fucking scam. Nice idea though.
>>56626029
>porn btw
Well uh...
Atleast you get to like... Uh...
I mean as long as it's not scat porn or something I don't see a big deal with it. I mean it may be degeneracy, but it's also money.
>>56622197
>Medicine
>Programming
>Stem
pick one you fucking retard
If you haven't had Classical mechanics, elektromagnetism, thermodynamics, quantum mechanics, relativity theory, partial differential equations, solid state physics and continuum physics as each an individual course it's not STEM.
>>56625346
Cool, not sure why you feel like you need to dump on people who actually need the piece of paper. Not everyone gets lucky enough to find a job and fill out their resume.
By the way, google the percentage of Americans on financial aid. 76% of students in California for example go to CSUs and get their degrees for "free," and if they do take longer than four years they don't have debt upon graduation.
The student loan debt crisis is largely a bunch of lies extrapolated from small samples taken from universities that have large populations of students who aren't receiving aid, like private schools.
>>56626481
I'm not dumping on people who need the paper. I think people who think they NEED it for PROGRAMMING are the stupidest.
see >>56623964
>>56622197
>welding
>relevant
Unless you want to slave away in a factory, it's not something one would strive for.
>>56626701
Better to slave away and make a shit ton of money than to not do anything at all.
>>56626824
>Not studying sciences on a high level
I feel sorry for you tbch fám, pretty sad you americúcks have to go in debt to your jewish overlords to get an education. You should move to a first World country.
Nuclear technician master race
It's literally the same as in the Simpsons
Just with less donuts
No women tho
>>56627096
America is going down the shitter, so I will probably jump ship soon and liquidate my assets and start anew.
>>56626679
Did you not know that CS and IT degrees make you exempt from comptia certs? Also, not having an undergrad in your field eliminates your from many jobs, check it out on usajobs.
Having a degree in CS or a related field is in fact necessary to work as a software engineer for most corporations.
Seriously why can't I get hired? I apply for some postings that only required B.S. 0-2 years experience and don't even get a follow up. I use cover letters too.
>>56625852
Cast iron? I don't mean braze.
>>56623964
You can teach yourself programming fairly well to an extent, but for the most part self-taught people are less careful about unit testing, error handling, and other security measures because they havent had the importance of it repeated to them over and over again in a classroom
>>56627326
>Mizzou
>USC
That's why.
>>56627326
It's an impressive resume. But the medical field is wrought with nepotism. It's really about who you know and work experience. The irony being that they require you to have a degree to get the job that would give you the experience to get the job.
>>56627282
But not programming.
Also, as I said before - do you really think you're going to be making that kind of money forever? With all the people heading into the field? If you're right about it being so necessesary then that is even worse than I made it out to be originally - because that means it'll sink even faster.
I'm not arguing over the usefulness of a Comp Sci degree, I'm arguing over the stability of the STEM field.
>IT major
Feels okay, thankfully systems administration might take two or three months to be fully automated.
going into microbio to deal with disease prevention (CDC etc), working for private businesses, or other government opportunities
let these biofags rush medical all they want
>>56627459
I don't know what you're talking about.
I have a friend who started programming when he was 10, and is currently 19, and he does all of that. You're making the broad assumption that you need to go to a classroom to learn about unit testing and error handling(By the way, I'm not sure if you know this, but everyone learns error handling in the first few lessons of programming) and security measures. You don't.
I'm a hobbyist programmer and even I learned about those.
>>56622197
cause im becoming a blue collar next year
>smugpepe.jpeg
>>56627326
>skill set
>ms office and excel
>mfw
>tfw funeral director
>35k-40k starting in Alabama (where I live)
>salary can increase to 80k, most likely 65-70k for me
>only had to get an associates degree
>>56628091
Nice.
And an obscure field like that will probably stay stable for a long time. Wish I had thought of that. Added to my backup plans.
>>56622197
Programmer here, some of my richest friends are actually college dropouts who became glass blowers. These guys are very well off, talented, and get paid a shit ton by rich stoners for their work.
>>56625852
>I'm so fucking retarded that i think the whole small percentage of people who actually go into STEM fields will make it all the way to graduation.
stay mad blue "kek" collar. I'll fix your eyes for you in the future so you can see my money.
>>56622197
>tfw college drop out
>tfw too many interests
>tfw can't focus long enough to establish a career
>tfw contribute nothing to society
>tfw spend every day reading about and judging people who do
I'll have an IS degree in a month and have been turning down offers because I just want to join the military.
>>56628169
Yea, the work's pretty good, just expect to get used to death smell; as well as embalming in general-- as most states require funeral directors to have both a directing and embalming license.
35k-40k may not seem great, but I'm only twenty. So, that's pretty fucking good, I'd say.
>>56628193
i got som glas fr u 2 blow bby :^)
No but seriously.
Good on them.
>>56628230
>I lack an understanding in economics and job stability and job market fluctuations and I'm a delusional fool who thinks everything stays the same.
Stay mad.
I mean I don't really care if you take my advice or not, it's no shit of my back if you end up poor/jobless in about 2-4 years or so. I'll just keep on going with the fluctuations making money.
>>56628377
had any qt corpses yet?
>>56628334
I didn't know you needed a degree to be in IS.
>>56628377
Yeah it seems fine to me.
Like you said the salary can incease, so I'd imagine as you stay with the job and become more experienced your salary will reflect on that. In the event it does fall, it'll look really good on a resume whereever you end up.
>"Oh - it says here you did x for a long time. Very dedicated and experienced."
>>56628421
Nah. Most youth deaths are from drug OD's, and those girls aren't pretty. Otherwise, it's a car wreck, and there's not much left after one of those nine times out of ten.
Aside from all that, even with a 10/10 living girl; she'll make a 0/10 corpse. Once you know how dead bodies work, you'd never even think of necrophilia unless you're just fucking insane. And I say that as a guy with some weird fetishes.
>>56628001
Gotta tick those resume reading algorithms that look for keywords. MS Office/Excel is listed in every job posting
>>56628421
>>56628543
Unrelated as fuck, but I just remembered - I was reading a story on /x/ once about how sometimes, corpses would have their muscles be tense/gases in them, and when they get released, it causes the corpse to "jolt" and sit up in the casket for a few seconds before falling back down.
Must suck to be a night shift guy at a funeral home.
>>56623108
Become a shadetree mechanic like me. I work out of my garage. It's awesome.
>>56622658
>all my STEM friends
You have no friends you autistic man child
Should I just take my comp info systems associates and cut my losses? Or is it worth the debt to finish the bachelors? I have a 4.0 GPA but idk programming is not something I'm in love with. I don't find myself wanting to spend 8+ hours a day practicing it.
>>56628690
>>56628657
>Unrelated as fuck, but I just remembered - I was reading a story on /x/ once about how sometimes, corpses would have their muscles be tense/gases in them, and when they get released, it causes the corpse to "jolt" and sit up in the casket for a few seconds before falling back down.
This CAN happen, but only because someone didn't do their job right. When embalming, we are supposed to relieve any gases in the body, usually through aspiration. Involves taking a trocar (google it) and spearing it through the abdominal and pelvic cavities, having it suction everything out.
>>56622197
I can't weld. I tried but i'm bad at it and practice barely helped.
I like energy, natsec, and data, and am using my role as a data analyst/"scientist"/ML monkey at an energy firm to pivot to energy policy work.
Major in whatever, just have a goal in mind and get the skills you need to achieve said goal. Probably better to work blue collar and do online self-study.
>>56628690
Nothing like some good ol' butthurt at 1:55 in the afternoon.
>>56628832
Interesting.
Would still scare the fuck out of me if I had to see it though.
>>56622197
>Shortage of blue collar workers
That is what the poor suffering refugees are for.
>>56628850
Plenty of other trades out there. HVAC is a good field. The wealthiest people I know run small HVAC companies.
>>56628408
Actually it seems like you are the one who lacks the understanding of economics.
But have fun working long hours, getting keked by your wife, and never banging any college QT 3.14s.
I was like you once, blue collar and ASSHURTY but then i got educated.
>>56627326
Come to STL and work at WashU. They're always hiring analysts in the research facilities. I interviewed for a role in the genomics department a while back, and while I didn't get it, my resume was only half as good as yours. It just helped that I know SAS, R, and some SQL.
They're very big on Python there and use scipy/numpy/etc. quite a bit.
>>56623724
This is the cutest investment strategy I've ever read.
>>56629044
>never bang some coal burning sluts on their cock carousel ride
what a loss.
>>56629053
Oh yeah? I know a bit of python but nothing of SAS, R and SQL which I see quite often in job listings. Those pretty easy to pick up online?
>>56629152
>never banging anyone at all
poor you. enjoy dat lower middle class tho senpai.
How to get into trades in UK? It's totally different in US from what can I see.
>2013
>Be 18 working at McDonalds in Waterloo
>Guy comes in from rain with kickass BMW s100rr
>Talk to him about it
>Gives me card
>Vice President of big investment bank
>Too pussy to call.
>Quit McDonalds and go to school
>Be 8 months ago, find card
>No longer pussy
>Says he's glad I called and set up lunch
>I drove up to Toronto
>Asked what I want to do with my life
>Literally Schadenfreude.
>Tells me to come in on monday
>Basic sales shit and corporate bitch work.
>Easy shit killing everyone at quotas and efficiency ratings.
>write my series 37 few months after
>mfw I accidentally became a stock broker with no degree on the fast track through a global investment firm.
Best part is. NO JEWS. All the VPs are WASP or German.
>>56629044
>long hours
It is currently 1:57 PM, on a Tuesday, and I am on 4chan. My hours aren't really long at all. Plus, the time flies by really fast when working anyway because I kind of enjoy doing my job. Sometimes the hours are long but it depends on the contract.
If you work "long hours" and you don't enjoy it, then perhaps you should consider switching careers.
>getting keked by your wife
I'm not going to get a wife. Maybe sometime in the future but not right now. I am not interested in a relationship. At my age, the only thing women want is my money. No thanks. If I want sex, I'll just head out to my local pub for some poon.
>any college Qt 3.14s
Oh you mean SJWs? No thanks you can have them.
>>56625582
>Acetylene?
It's Ethyne for fuck's sake
>>56629367
I wouldn't be able to tell ya. I don't know much about how it works over there.
>>56629444
The power of connections!
Kick the shit out of it and get that money.
>>56629274
If you are comfy with Python, R will be logical. SAS is pretty easy as well, but the problem is that it's very hard to get a copy of the program and training without either working with it already or paying a fucking fortune. I do recall hearing about SAS offering some kind of student thing now, so that may be a good in.
If you can, I'd recommend taking an actual SQL class. It's deceptively easy to use, but not easy to use correctly imo
>>56627607
Well "programmer" isn't a job that requires a college degree, so I don't understand what your point is.
Computer scientists who end up becoming programmers do so because they either couldn't hack it as a dev or they simply couldn't get a dev job in the first place, not because they got a CS degree with the intent of being a code monkey after graduation.
>>56629703
I didn't say it did...
I was saying that people going into Comp Sci just for programming are mostly dumb.
>>56622197
So what should I do with my life? What academic program if nothing in any STEM field is worthwhile?
>projecting: the thread
>tfw dropped out of college and started my own business
>made 275k last year and will be making well over 350k this year
>tfw was about to become a stemfag
Did have some connections to help get me going though.
>>56625236
Is art school worth it? I always thought they taught you abstract shit or something. I'd like to pursue graphic design.
Does welding literally take few month to learn to be able to work?
Also, how relevant is it for germoney?
>>56629444
Congrats anon, I'm sure you earned that luck
>>56630200
If you have steady hands welding is easy.
>>56630165
Not the guy you're responding to, but this is a joke, right? I know next to nothing about useful degrees and all that, at least not nearly as much as some of the more elitist posters around here, but even I know that graphic design is not a field you want to get into. It's so saturated, finding work is very difficult regardless of how talented you are. That's what I've heard countless times at least. I have a few buddies studying at four year schools. That's what they're doing and I wish them the best. But if it doesn't pan out for them, it will suck to have to go back to school and pretty much start all over again.
>>56628091
You didn't need to major in mortuary science for you AA?
>>56629458
>local put for some poon
I thought you were against banging "coal burning sluts on their cock carousel ride"?
>>56629152
>Oh you mean SJWs? No thanks you can have them.
ok thanks, refer to image and get even madder.
Haven't you realized the "TRADES R IN DEMAND" meme is just as popular as the "STUDY STEM" meme? So you've got just as many people running towards your career path too senpai.
btw my education is covered by financial aid.
>>56622197
"learn how to weld" is going to be the new "get a stem degree"
Haha, have fun faggots.
>>56630122
In a stem fag business?
>>56630019
Mang I can't tell you what to do with your life becasue I don't have the answer to the question only you can answer which is
>What do I want out of life?
My answer to this question was
>I want a shit ton of money
And that is what lead me down the path I'm on currently, which is watch the job markets, and react accordingly and plan for every foreseeable outcome, and do the same with the stock market. It's worked really well so far.
>>56630028
I don't see any projecting.
>>56630122
Jesus Christ nice! That's very amazing.
>>56630379
Bah quit your belly aching bud.
He made that connection just by stumbling into it. If you try - I'm sure you can do the same.
Are you in a college? Go get buddy buddy with your professor. He can be a good connection for example. You need to look at people not just as people, but also as a web. What is connected to that person on their web? What connections do they probably have?
>>56630200
Yep.
Took me a few months, and I had to invest in a good welder and gear, but that is what all it took.
>>56630545
Man not even that - like I have type 1 diabetes, and my hands get shaky from time to time because of hypoglycemia, and even then I can still do it well enough. I mean as long as you aren't going ALL OVER the place, you should be fine. Just take it slow.
>>56630692
>I thought you were against banging "coal burning sluts on their cock carousel ride"?
?
I never said that. I remember seeing that somewhere above though.
I think you're getting a little upset because your view of the world is steadily being shattered and things aren't as simple as they seemed.
>>56629946
And I am saying that nobody does that, such a small amount of people who have no idea what cs is in the first place that it is statistically insignificant, and those people end up swapping majors after they learn how the industry works.
I'm saying that your point simply isn't true.
>>56629558
Thanks anyways.
>>56630861
No, real estate.
>>56630692
>btw my education is covered by financial aid.
disgusting. no better than a nigger.
>>56630874
Okay. Well money is nice. What do I study to make a lot of money? Honestly, I'm a wind sock, I'll go whichever way the wind's blowing. Decisions like these are best made for me, not by me. So what did you study?
>>56622197
>mfw in my country any blue collar work is took by nigga.
>>56622197
In the US blue collar work is looked down on because it doesn't pay.
>learn how to weld
And make 15 bucks an hour the rest of your life, sounds fantastic.
>tfw graduating w/STEM degree in the spring
>already have job lined up
>>56626481
WTF? The debt isn't a lie, there is literally over 1 trillion in college debt right now.
>>56630658
That's the one year degree.
There's also a year of pre-requisites needed, if you count that.
Some mortuary schools go for two years, mine only goes for one with double the workload.
>>56624631
>>56623964
This is seriously why I've considered changing majors to biomedical engineering.
>>56630953
Okay then my point isn't true.
That doesn't make my point about STEM not being the stable fairytale land that everyone makes it out to be any less true.
>>56631022
>I'll go whichever way the wind's blowing
Sounds like me.
I didn't really study anything, as I said I never went to college, just watched all my friends go and learned from their experience.
Right now welding seems to be pretty stable so if I were you I'd just go try to ride off that for a while and think a bit.
If you want, you can read up on some investing while you're at it, I recommend "A Random Walk Down Wallstreet". If you don't know much about economics, go check out Wealth of Nations by Adam Smith or Basic Economics by Thomas Sowell.
For job market fluctuations I just read what the current trends are and weigh the causes and effects in my head.
>>56631137
>It doesn't pay
If you're not doing it right. But then again I can say that about anything.
Also congrats on the job. Make sure you use the money correctly for when the ship sinks.
>>56627500
Yeah I wonder if the Mizzou freaks people out now. Like a Scarlet letter. USC isn't exactly the greatest biomedical school, even UofArizona is probably higher ranked in the same area. No offense.
>>56625611
You sound like you haven't been doing it for very long. I've been installing gas lines for the last 3 years. And while the welders had a lot more cushy job then laborers it still takes a toll on the body being out in the elements. So many knee and hip surgeries not to mention the flash burns. On the bright side though If your well liked and put in your time it's relatively easy to move within the gas company and end up pushing paper or supervising. However it's not a guarantee and is the reason I'm in school for EE now. Being active is really important to me and money is worth fuck all if you can't move to enjoy it. It's also hard to enjoy life when the majority of your money comes from overtime and your working 80 hr weeks cause you wanna see those 6 figures.
I have no doubt I'll be making at least what the average welder makes and my body will thank me in the end.
>>56631759
Yeah I haven't.
Only for about a year.
ITT: people confusing chemical engineering with biology, or aerospace engineering with general programming, or applied physics with general science.
>>56631890
>or aerospace engineering with general programming
What about aerospace programming? I work on flight simulators for Boeing.
>>56623964
Its not just that you can learn prgramming on your own, a lot of other engineers also know how to code. Im studying EE and I can fake python and C if I have to (I hate coding and am not good at it and I'm pretty up front with employers about that) but a lot of my cohorts program very well. Im sure its the same in other disciplines, why hire a computer programmer to write code for your ECU when you can get an EE who actually understands what the electronics the ECU controls need to do to write it instead.
Programming is a good skill to have if you pair it with something else.
>>56624178
Some law schools will take almost anybody, its not on them if you fail out because you spent your undergrad dicking around.
>>56622197
STEM majors != graduates
I don't care how many people are in my CS classes because they fell for it as a meme. They're always gone by the midterm and the classes end up half the size or less.
My excuse is that I like working with logic and solving problems.
>>56632546
>They're always gone by the midterm and the classes end up half the size or less.
The ones that aren't cut out for it (typically the people who are there because they think it will make them a lot of money, or the "I want to make video games" crowd) are always out before the weed-out courses.
Most schools have Calculus 2 as the weed-out course, but sophomore Data Structures kills the first 50% or so.
>>56626339
>Qmech and relativity
>at all relevent to engineering
Physics and EE here, those have nothing at all to do with systems that exist in meat space.
>>56622197
It's easier to work as a programmer than a welder, and you can invest with money that you earn as a programmer same as you can with being a welder.
Thing is blue collar jobs are easily saturated, as you said anybody can learn how to do them in few months time, but not everybody can have a STEM degree.
And not even blue collar jobs are as easy as you think, they take more skill than you think.
>>56631874
I wish you luck with it man. It's a cool as hell job, the people are great, and time flies when you enjoy what you do. Just take care of yourself, dress warmer then you think you need to when it's cold to prevent joint damage, stretch and stay limber, and read or find some hobby to stay mentally sharp. As much as I loved working in gas it wasn't very intellectually stimulating once you learn everything there is, which doesn't take long.
>>56632245
Of course if your degree only teaches you how to program, it wasn't very worthwhile. The thing is that a CS degree covers more than that. It covers abstract data structures, algorithms, discrete math, etc. and that's just to pass a foundation exam.
When you get to high level electives, you can work in specialized fields, like computer vision, AI, crypto, big data shit and who the hell knows what else. With that experience and knowledge you can get a decent job if you're competent at all.
>>56622197
Science is my passion.
I've wanted to be a scientist since I was a kid
>Currently 3rd year Chemistry student
>>56622456
>>56624161
I met some random weird autist my first week at UH that said he was going into Biomedical Engineering.
I knew immediately he wouldn't make it because there was no way in hell he'd be able to land a job with his fucking speech impediment.
Being likable and able to network is by far the most important thing needed to land a decent job. If you're suave enough you can make shit-tons of money no matter what kind of degree you have because you can just shitter your way into having a fantastic interview.
>>56631400
>That doesn't make my point about STEM not being the stable fairytale land that everyone makes it out to be any less true.
But everything is a fairy tale when you have no work ethic. If you're a lazy faggot who spends all your time shitposting on 4chan rather than practicing your design and implementation, your CS degree is going to mean nothing since you won't be able to keep a job for longer than a couple months. If you aren't willing to practice your welding than your welding journeyman docs don't mean anything.
The issue isn't with college being bullshit, it is about retarded children thinking that passing tests and being awarded an undergrad entitles them to a job even though they can't perform in a real world situation. That is why engineering divisions always stress internships, because tests in academia mean practically nothing when it comes to development of critical thinking skills that are necessary to be a successful computer scientist.
It is just one of those silly paradoxical disciplines. It is critically important to the modern world so people just feel like it should require a degree. This is why so many classes are simply projects in CS programs at the senior level.
>>56633344
BME is a joke. It's mostly just pre meds because a typical BME program covers all the prerequisites for med school. And people who want to get PHDs in biomedical tech research are much better off majoring in a standard engineering discipline for undergrad and then focusing on biotechnology applications for grad research.
I realized this is a freshman and switched to EE and now I'm finishing a MS and have lots of job offers.
> few months of your time
Huge shortage of skilled tradesman here in Aus. Unfortunately no trade schools. Have to complete 4 year apprenticeships which pay below living wage (so you will need family support).
>>56633290
Chemfag here with 6 years in industry and a post doc. Jobs all dried up, Welcome to unemployment.
Who /geology/ here?
>tfw joined a frat and coasted on C's in college
>graduated with a 2.4 in some worthless degree with easy coursework
>got hired by a brothers company
>3 years later have my six sigma black belt and making 90k working as a project manager in IT
>even the most retarded memebers of my pledge class make ~60k
>tfw being a normie is easy
>>56622197
My excuse is that there's more to life than money and I don't want to do welding as a career
>>56633832
I'm signed up to a bunch of job sites, far from it mate.
Especially since I'm going to specialise in analytical chemistry in my dissertation and Mchem project.
>>56623143
Learn C++ really well, if you don't know anything, and that will give you a solid enough grounding to learn most other languages as you need to.
Seriously, the idea of languages as something you need to learn is bullshit. Once you have a solid knowledge of how to code, you can adjust to a new language in a month, tops.
>>56634108
you should code a program to make you stop posting, you fucking faggot
>>56622456
Do you live in the middle of nowhere? That's probably your problem.
Source: Look at the metro-area maps on this page
http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes172031.htm
State maps don't tell the whole story.
>>56633832
Work for the Commancheros.
>>56623964
If you're doing pure CS, and you aren't doing something to push the boundaries of your field, you're making a mistake.
Seriously I see so many CS majors who just want their major to pick up the very basics of coding. The problem with that is that a major like CompE gets just as much experience programming, and then also knows a lot of other shit besides.
do you fuckers even bls
>>56634417
>tfw go to a shit CS program
I didn't even realize how much I wasn't learning until I started looking up interview questions and comparing mysefl to other students online.
What can a degree in pharmacology earn me? Is it a worthy pursuit or a waste of time and money?
>>56634566
Too specialised, just do straight Chemistry.
>>56627326
This is such a shitty resume.
Not your education and experience, but literally your resume is a fucking eyesore. "Seeking employment" isn't a fucking legitimate objective, you assburger. Don't even put that section.
Think about the person who is going to be looking at this. Make their life easier. Use a legit template with whitespace, take out literally everything that isn't relevant to the job you're applying for. MS Office - AYFKM?
Getting a job is _so fucking easy_. Here's the trick: they are telling you what they want you to say IN THE FUCKING JOB DESCRIPTION.
Literally, just say that you can do exactly what they're asking for. The person who is looking at the applicants will say, oh shit, this guy is perfect! Bam, interview. Smile, seem interested, ask questions, don't be a retard in the interview and then you have a job. It's that fucking easy.
"My skill set would excel at" <-- come on kid, that sentence doesn't even make sense. YOU would excel at, BECAUSE of your skill set.
Don't just list buzzwords - tell a story. My name is X, and while working at Y on Z, I increased application by over 1000% percent, letting the project succeed because blah blah blah.
Come on, this shit is cake. And - best part - everybody else gets it wrong too. If you can come up with a resume that doesn't look like a MS Word list like every other dipshit's, you'll have a $80K+ job in a week.
>>56634220
That seems like a major overreaction to that post
>Major in BME hoping to work for a medical device company
>99% of medical device companies want EE/MEs who they can then teach the Biology part
>Most BME entry level jobs are lab monkey positions doing PCR or protein purification
>mfw
>>56634562
CompE is almost ALWAYS a more solid program than straight CS. Even if you're more into the CS side of things, even a crappy CompE program will give you a much better idea of the actual process of computation than a CS program will.
I was the kind of kid who was programming at the age of 10 and building his own computer at the age of 13. Of course it was a no-brainer for me to go into STEM, and now at the age of 23 I am a robotics programmer.
I am the exact type of person who SHOULD be going into STEM.
However, 95% of my classmates had no reason to be in the field. They hated calculus. They hated programming. They hated circuits.
Worst of all, they were simply bad at them. They didn't have the genetic predisposition for STEM thinking.
So, what happened to them?
Well, they work at places like twitter, facebook and microsoft. They have menial jobs at the lowest rungs of the ladder. They probably get paid pretty well (possibly more than myself) and they probably get good benefits to. But I can't imagine they enjoy their work, which should be the most important thing.
If you spend 9 hours a day doing something, you better be damn sure it is something you love. I love my job. I am basically doing a next-level version of the lego robotics I had as a kid. I work weekends because my job is actually fun to do.
In conclusion, the majority of STEM majors have no belonging in the field. They are hacks who end up stuck in shitty jobs while trying to convince themselves that they are happy.
>>56634886
Also, because of your shitty language and design skills, I'm guessing you're Indian or Chinese. If possible, don't be Indian or Chinese. If this is unavoidable, try to downplay that as much as possible by actually having a fucking personality and expressing that in your written/verbal communications and general appearance.
>Be me
>Choose to study design instead of going into energies and tech stuff and being sure to have a job
I don't know if I will ever get a job
>>56634981
Are you me?
>>56634886
This guy is redpilled on resumes and is probably jew blood
>2015
>not studying/working in finance
stay poor /pol/
>>56635146
>They probably get paid pretty well (possibly more than myself) and they probably get good benefits to
This destroyed your post. Your classmates are literally shitting in your mouth as we speak.
>>56635146
I thought twitter, facebook, and microsoft were all difficult to work for if you are retarded
don't they pay $100k/yr+ minimum?
Is Physics a solid field? I've heard tons of people say that it's hard to get a research job and I'll work in applied physics instead, but I think they're just shills.
Right now I'm deciding between following my family lineage of entrepreneurship or becoming a scientist and studying physics. I'd enjoy physics more but I only want to go into if I can get a job related to that field and I don't have to be an accountant desk jockey. I'm pretty good with business, I've given my parents ideas that have increased their yearly income and running a business isn't too hard, but my passion is math and science.
>>56628091
How is it? I've been looking at the field and eventually I chickened out because I don't really know much about the business side of it which seems like the largest part.
Being around bodies doesn't seem that bad but I'm not exactly a great communicator.
>>56635253
Pure anglosaxon, I was the founder of a technical hiring company. I have seen >10,000 resumes. Anon would not get a call-back.
>>56630165
Dude, don't do it. You're better off self teaching and practicing and building up your portfolio. Read books, do master studies, just don't go to Art School. I loved art, I did. But, those faggots only teach abstract nonsense. You could even take community college technical and observational art classes, but you don't need a degree, just a kick ass portfolio.
>>56635146
Same thing can be said for almost every other major out there. You have people who love what they do, and others who get burned out or accept their menial fate.
>>56622999
>>56622658
Welding is a JOB, not a CAREER. At least it isn't if you enjoy having functional vision, good lungs, and joints that don't hurt all of the time. Source: I am a fabricator, going to college for electrical engineering.
>>56634417
I think a lot of kids go CS because their counselors tell them to. The advisor probably asks them what their interests are, they respond by saying video games and the internet, the advisor says "Computer Science... next."
>>56635380
if you really want to study physics, go for a PhD in something interesting, and try to get work in Academia.
if not, you can work as a Quant at a place like Jane Street.
If you're able to finish a physics PhD, you'll be smart enough to get hired somewhere.
>>56635413
damn
Sure thing OP nobody will ever need a mechanical engineer I may as well drop out now and start working construction.
>>56635305
I work at a startup that has 3 employees. I make $75k a year. I'm not exactly poor. Keep in mind this is my first job after school.
Did you miss the point of my post? Find a job you love. Even if you have to accept $25k less salary as a result.
I've learned so much in just the first 6 months at this job that I can now get a job pretty much anywhere. Meanwhile, my friend has a QA job at apple. He's becoming an expert at Apple test scripts.
>>56635146
THIS is a really big thing in STEM, especially engineering
A lot of the people there are OBVIOUSLY just there because they think it will get them a good salary. I mean don't get me wrong, there are some aspects of STEM I'm not all that crazy about myself (was never big on messing around with breadboards) but a lot of these people are literally there just to get the degree.
And it sucks, because it drags the courses down, too. Professors end up teaching in a very vague, very general manner tailored to the average student who just wants to scrape by and get their degree.
What can a BA in communications and media arts earn you in today's world? What kind of four year schools would be interested in admitting a student with a Bachelor's degree in this field? What kind of job opportunities exist? And mostly, is it a waste of time and money?
>>56633849
Nice, actually. I can respect geology shit. Under appreciated, but pretty interesting stuff.
>>56635575
>Find a job you love. Even if you have to accept $25k less salary as a result.
Worst advice ever, and coincidentally, also advice that everyone gives, because it is extremely impractical; most people cannot do what they love.
Good advice: Find a job that is practical and gives you the means and time to do what you love. If you are one of those few who just so happens to be in love with the idea of doing something that most people begrudgingly accept; good for you.
>>56622583
Hehe I can lie on 4Chan and people think I'm awesome
I'm a software engineer, it's ok but not great. There is a shitton of them in the world and not getting any fewer... but a lot of them aren't very skilled and/or don't work hard. However, that also means that if you want to stand out, hell not even stand out but be among like the top 20%, you have to study and do your own/opensource projects in your free time. Also, the learning never stops. The really good companies don't even care about the technologies you've worked with because they know that any specific knowledge you have now is going to be obsolete in 5 years, so they focus on hiring people who have good fundamentals and are very smart because those will be able to learn anything.
>>56635575
>Find a job you love.
Sounds like shit people used to say in the 1990s all the time, as if to imply that most people wouldn't just like to hang out with friends and eat at nice restaurants all the time from now until they die.
>>56635775
This is the truth that most people eventually find.
>>56635775
It's only really bad advice for people who have shit degrees. Then the choice becomes "Find a job you love - oh wait, lol you can't, or if you can you can't make a fucking living off it" or "Find a job that pays well."
You do engineering, and the choice becomes "Find a job you love, that pays well," or "Find a job that pays REALLY well." It's a different set of choices.
>>56635327
That's what I used to think, too until I saw which of my friends went to work there.
Those are huge companies. Tons of idiots work there.
They don't pay $100k/yr for new grads. Probably more like $85-$90k. Also depends where you are located. Expensive cities inevitably pay more.
>>56635775
Good point.
I guess I am lucky that my interests can be translated into a job.
>>56635870
You really think somebody would do that - go on the internet and tell lies?
Seriously though, I do. I'm a high-end freelance developer and systems architect. It's not all that rare on the west coast. Believe me or don't.
>>56635575
>I make $75k a year
I don't want to be a dick but simply making this statement makes you sound dumb. The absolute number means nothing without a reference point. 75k would be a lot in Minnesota or wherever but little in New York or San Francisco.
>>56622583
I'll bite - who do you work for?
Asking since not even the biggest corporations in the world pay programmers more than $70k.
>>56636045
>It's only really bad advice for people who have shit degrees
>people who don't like what I like have shit interests
This is you. Get over yourself. You love math and slaving over a computer doing engineering shit. Good for you. Most people have loves that are either impossibly hard to do for money, or out of their reach.
>>56634886
I cannot agree with you on the Objective section. I don't see a problem with it. The rest of your points are valid however if you see the job descriptions for the positions I'm applying for you'd see I'm already doing everything you're suggesting. They're not buzzwords they're relevant and tick the keywords the resume screening algorithms are looking for including MS Office.
>>56636032
I think it's pretty accurate what >>56635775
Said, but some people get extremely good at their hobbies and they end up turning it into their careers.
YouTubers do it, Artists do it. But, it's mainly because they are talented enough and organized enough to be their own bosses.
Most people should take the practical approach though, because most of them aren't quite good enough to make a good living off of what they do.
>>56622737
>top law school in DC
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Enjoy your lack of job prospects at either GW or GT
>>56636119
I live in Oakland and work from home. I could pretty much live anywhere, since I work from home. I live in Oakland because I have friends nearby, and can easily find another job if I lose this one. Oakland is a shitty place, though.
I'll probably negotiate for a raise to $85k or leave at the end of next month for a similar company that pays more.
>>56636319
>But, it's mainly because they are talented enough and organized enough to be their own bosses.
Luck plays a huge part in it, anyone who disagrees with this is wrong. If you have the right combination of timing, connections, location and talent, sure - you will be able to do what you love for money, if you're missing one of them - oops, you're just a regular guy.
>>56636517
lol, permaloser. keep telling yourself that
>>56636168
> Asking since not even the biggest corporations in the world pay programmers more than $70k.
The fuck are you talking about? 70K is less than starting..
I'm freelance and run a dev shop, hence the hourly rate not salary. Salary would probably be 200K? If I were to do that though, I'd probably come on as the late CTO or VP of a B-series company that actually had chance of being a major.
>>56636607
>anyone who is good at anything can do it for a living, if you can't do what you want, it's because you suck
Let me guess, born with a golden spoon? Because people who hold this opinion tend to have never worked for anything in their lives.
>>56636517
Yeah, that's fair enough to say too. You especially need connections and great people skills to sell yourself and your work. It's an amalgamation of things that are hard to achieve and you're better off not quiting your day job unless you can hit all of the requirements.
Or you're a starving artist.
I see there are some BME people here that don't like their degree. My girlfriend is currently majoring in engineering physics and biology premed and is currently working for the school's neuroscience research. She wants to get her masters and maybe even a phd in BME so she can work in tissue engineering. Is this a good plan or do people really not want biomedical engineers, in biomedical engineering?
>>56636256
Okay, you're not listening to me. You are wrong, and you won't get a good job because of it. That's okay. You have poor communication skills.
Your resume is bad. Do what I say, and you'll get a job. Keep thinking that "you don't see anything wrong with it" and keep being an unemployed poorfag. Your choice.
>>56634079
Hahaha I hire cunts like you, your not as awesome as you think. Maybe you can end up on freelancer charging $2.5/hr. Cause in the bloated market thats what your worth.
>>56636350
Oakfags on /pol/? Oh man. We out here mayne!
>>56622197
>not going into horticulture
>not specializing in greenhouse management
>not smoking dank weed and working in the cannabis industry
>>56636901
based
>>56636901
Damn...
[spoiler]C-can you do it with mushrooms too? :3 [/spoiler]
>>56635413
>looked through 10k resumes
>shits on a kid that probably has typed up <15 resumes in his life, much less seen anybody elses
comon man
>>56637019
yep. im currently enrolled in my local horticulture program in NC. the industry hasnt even begun to take off yet as we do not yet have medical cannabis. but i believe we soon will have one. RIGHT NOW IS THE PERFECT TIME TO GET YOUR DEGREES.
>>56636783
If she wants to work in Tissue Engineering and is willing to get the PhD she'll be fine.
>>56637106
Hey, I'm just trying to help the guy get a job, he asked. Tough love.
Also his resume is a fucking embarrassment and he should feel bad.
>tfw /pol/ realizes their res looks exactly like his
>>56637273
Good to know, I don't know anything about biology so I couldn't help her that much.
>>56627103
Why do you do it ?
>>56636783
The best advice I can give is make sure she really knows what she wants to be doing with her degree afterwards. Does she want to work in a lab, doing things closer to the biochemistry side of BME like protein production, or genetic testing? Or does she want to do R&D for medical equipment and work somewhere like Medtronic?
An undergrad BME degree will work for either, but the most important thing she can do is SPECIALIZE her projects/skills and really know what it is you're working towards. BME is such an absurdly broad field that it kind of scares employers from asking for one because they have no idea what they're going to get. This isn't helped by the fact that it's a really new field.
>>56622197
Welder: 37,000 a year average
Philosophy grad with masters: 75,000 a year
Dont believe rubios stupid memes, what he said was literally completely false. Graduates with any degred (often get jobs unrelated to their major but still) make more than a welder.
>>56635380
>physics
No, just no. Unless you want to get a PhD and go into academia. Figure out what you like in physics and then pic the most relevant engineering degree. Dont be me
>BS physics with math minor
>graduate
>look for a job, nobody really knows what to do with undergrad physics
>work in a factory
>go back to school for engineering
>>56636783
PhD in BME is the only way. undergrad in it is worthless, as she did, literally any other hard engineering major is better
>>56636218
I didn't say that it was shit interest. I said that it was a shit degree. For example, I also love philosophy and history. I wouldn't say they are shit interests. They are, however, shit degrees.
So get a good degree, find a job that pays really well, and use the money from that well-paying job to pursue your interest on the side. You shouldn't seek a degree based solely on your interest in it.
>>56622197
The reason we keep seeing these shit posts is because there is nobody who wants to do welding or anything like that. So the people who do want to do it can charge exorbitant prices. Welding industry gets its panties in a bunch and starts propaganda campaigns like this.
>failing for the STEM meme
>failing for the job meme
>failing for the society meme
>failing for the having a family meme
LMAOing @ wagekeks
9 month vocational pharmacy tech degree
5 years experience in inpatient facility
Currently pharmacy informatics specialist
Making 65k a year in a do nothing job
Life is easy, what's everyone bitching about?
>>56637249
using the legal states as examples. look at all that money made. its absolutely insane the amount of money that's being made by private business owners and tax revenue alone. the cannabis industry nationwide is going to EXPLODE over the next decade. why not get a head start before all the plebs. JOIN AND VOLUNTEER AT YOUR LOCAL NORML CHAPTER AND GET INVOLVED!
>>56637736
What? You said
>>56636045
>You do engineering, and the choice becomes "Find a job you love, that pays well," or "Find a job that pays REALLY well." It's a different set of choices.
This is based on the presumption that you love something that has to do with engineering. A HUGE presumption.
In essence, you just said
>If you don't love something that also happens to be a good thing to have a degree in, you have shit interests, because if you have interests and a degree in something that isn't good to have a degree in, you have a shit degree
>>56622197
>What's your excuse?
I can maybe learn to weld in my own time, but my physical limitations probably limits my job prospects
>>56637290
>your resume is shit m8. (No real feedback given)
>t. an anonymous stranger on a tibetan pornographic cave painting emporium
Yeah, thats really helpful bro
>Not being a trust fund baby and doing whatever you want
>>56637677
>>56637541
I can tell right now she cares mostly about the "science" part of it, not so much with making lasers or medical equipment. She also has a few opportunities to get a double phd in biotech and biomed. I wouldn't imagine they would focus on EE for something like working with tissue engineering so I think she will be okay, maybe have a hard time competing with chemists.
Now to worry about my future...
Don't know much about other places but here there is a huge shortage on brains. People can't into math anymore, it's as simple as that. You could think it was more or less always the case but no, it's something new, anyone in the older generation can work out percentages/ratio/proportionality without too much trouble, the newer generation just says "lol math is soooo hard, I'm not able to do that".
This is just a particular example but I can notice a trend in the employers' criteria, which is not to look so much at the qualifications on paper but to try and see if the employee isn't a retard (professionaly or socially). I'm speaking about engineer or engineer+doctor jobs here, but I imagine it could be the same in other jobs with the same restricted access.
Long story short : If you're not retarded and interact well socially, you'll get a job with your diploma.
>>56629444
Didnt you make a thread about your career story on /b/ about a year ago?
>>56624178
You're retarded
Applying to medical school doesn't depend on your major as long as you meet the prerequisites and take the MCAT, for law school just take the LSAT and you're good
Premed reqs are chem 1111, chem 1112, organis chem 1, organic chem 2, statistics, calculus, psychology, lots of biology and bio lab courses, English courses, and physics
You can major in whatever you want as long as you take those classes and do well on the MCAT and med school admissions like to see people with non stem majors since it shows you're well rounded
They recalculate your GPA using only the grades you got in the prereq courses as well
Law school just take the LSAT which any chuckle fuck can sign up for.
Tldr ur a fagit
>>56622197
>welding
I'd kill myself the first week
>>56638246
He gave a ton of feedback, you fucking retard. Just because he used a couple strong words doesn't mean it was just 100% shitpost.
Go find a hugbox to feel safe in, faggot.
>>56622658
>60k a year
The refugees will do it for $30k, no sweat. Company will pay for their training.
Best part is they pump out a dozen little welders that will each do it for $20k.
Point is you're fucked in a global economy.
>>56622197
>Not using your brain and realizing with all these people rushing to STEM field, there is a giant shortage of blue collar workers
Uh-oh.
>>56634886
Thank you for the advice. I'm applying for jobs soon (graduating next June) and this is very helpful. 80k is also my goal starting wage.
Computer Engineering, btw
>>56623775
So what you are saying is understand the process the system and don't "type cast" yourself. I like this. It makes sense.
>>56637290
Care to share your resume with us?
>tfw community health bullshit degree
>tfw mastered interview skills
>tfw landed 60k gov job after 3 months of looking
Just B yourself
>>56634108
That's not true in the slightest.
You don't use other languages just for the sake of using them, you learn them for their paradigm. Like Haskell let's you learn Functional Programming if you've never done it before, and that makes you a better overall programmer because you have a new approach to problems.
>>56638512
Yeah! This guy gets it! I just like swearing at random strangers, but the advice is actually useful (particularly _just tell them exactly what they want to hear_. I really can't stress that one enough, it's so obvious but everybody gets it wrong.)
I just come on /pol/ because I like saying the word faggot anonymously and /b/ is full of creepy anime porn.
>>56638690
No problem! Good luck!
If you're trying to get a programming job out of college, portfolio is very very very helpful for standing out against other grads, especially with B2C companies. Build a personal project that uses multiple AWS services, or write a custom kernel driver, or make some significant contributions to a top-tier F/OSS project. If I saw a 20 year old candidate with an accepted contribution to the Linux kernel I'd shit my pants.
>>56623972
>The idea that you can fuck around for one or two years on various random subjects and then "pick your major" and expect to be anywhere near an advanced level is a hilarious idea to Euros.
this
>>56623775
This guy knows what's up. Sometimes in engineering, you'll get hired to code in a programming language you haven't even heard of. The goal of the job interview is to show you're smart enough to learn it quickly and not waste your employer's time.
