>russia violates Turkish repeatedly over the last few months
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/06/nato-chief-jens-stoltenberg-russia-turkish-airspace-violations-syria
>cries when they're shot down
Why do we owe these slavshits any empathy again?
>>56617789
Get back to work Obama
>>56617789
>was in air space for 15 seconds
>got shot down over syria, after they were out of turkey
yeah no, stop defending this nigger aggression turkey displayed
>>56617789
>Want to be NATO
>Doesn't follow NATO's rules
Turks got into deep shit
>>56617789
Go back to reddit you faggot Syriancivilwar shill.
>literally
>LITERALLY
>3km
yeah, they stayed for one sec guys! lets take them down!
>>56618342
Look at the link. Russia has been provoking a NATO response for weeks now. They've been deliberate in their incursions.
>>56617789
>crying
Who's crying? You're about to start WWIII and lose quickly because you faggots didn't let that shit slide.
>>56618160
First post, best post
>>56617789
So what?
They "violated" it within reason - to attack ISIS.
Besides, shooting down planes and the pilots as they are parachuting down is just retarded, given the planes were attacking ISIS.
>>56618684
Go kill yourself Achmed.
Islam is the oldest enemy of the white race.
>>56617789
>Why do we owe these slavshits any empathy again?
I'm sure you'd rather side with your homeland shithole.
>>56618950
>to attack ISIS
>planes were in western Syria where there are no ISIS
huh?
>>56617789
>>56617789
We don't. Borscht removed
>>56617789
>Russia invades American airspace
>Nothing happens
>America Invades Russia Airspace
>Nothing happens
>Chinese Invade Airspaces
>Happens
>Russia invades Turkish airspace for 17 seconds
>Blasted out of the sky, rescue ships shot down
Are Turks the Dindus of the Middle East?
>>56617789
So we're the two planes in formation at the time of the airspace violation or did one fly into Turkey first, followed by the second?
RUSSIA DINDU NUFFIN. DEY GOOD SLAVS. WE NEED MO MONEY FOR DEM POGROMS.
It doesn't matter if their air space was violated, Russia has violated ours many times and we haven't blow them up.
What they did was in direct violation of NATO rules, etc.
If we really cared about the shit we stand for you would absolutely not be supporting Turkey.
They didn't follow any of the protocols and basically just blew that plane up for laughs.
Totally retarded of them.
Imagine that you have border guards.
They see someone cross the border. They shoot him. OK, that's kind of psychopathic, but defensive.
They see someone cross the border, and then walk back. They chase this person into the other country to kill them.
That is not defensive. That is aggressive.
>>56619754
>fly over the same route for an entire year
>america's and plenty of other countries have done the same in past time
>turkey gets butt hurt for some reason
>kills 2 pilots and the plane
>WOW DINDU NUFFIN TURKES, MY AIRSPACE
Are you saying that countries will now shoot down any planes that violate their air space at any point?
America would lose half of its fucking fleet of sky riders
>>56619114
>Islam is the oldest enemy of the white race.
Agree. And another enemy is idiots shitposting.
OH NO NOT MUH AIRSPACE.
ITS LIKE RUSSIAS GOING TO BOMB US WHEN WE KNOW AND HAVE INTELLIGENCE THAT THEY WILL NOT. ITS LIKE THEY ARE OPERATING IN THE COUNTRY NEXT TO US OR SOMETHING. FUCK CANADA INVADED OUR AIRSPACE AGAIN.>>
NUKE TORONTO KILL JUAREZ
You should violate their space again.
With cruise missiles.
>>56620003
Now imagine that scenario happening time after time, and after repeated warnings over several weeks, the defense guards had enough and took defensive action. Thats what happened.
>>56620309
Nuke toronto though seriously
Prodding into 'hostile' airspace is a routinely action done by everyone who calls himself a power. Shooting them down however, is an act of war.
>>56617789
Any NATOfags can confirm this?
REMINDER, TURKEY HAS MASSIVELY BREACHED NATO ROE FOR INTERCEPTION OF ANY AIRCRAFT.
YOU MUST VISUALLY INTERCEPT THE AIRCRAFT AND HAVE VISUAL CONTACT WITH THE PILOT
IF THE AIRCRAFT IS ON AN EXIT COURSE OF AN EXTREMELY NARROW BAND OF AIRSPACE, INTERCEPTION IS UNCALLED FOR
AT THE HALFWAY POINT, AN AIRCRAFT ENCROACHING UPON AIRSPACE IF ON AN EXIT COURSE, HAS COMPLIED WITH WARNINGS AND ORDERS AND CANNOT BE FIRED UPON
THE MINUTE THE AIRCRAFT IS OUT OF YOUR AIRSPACE, IT CANNOT BE FIRED UPON AND YOU MUST TURN AROUND AND GO HOME
IF YOU KNOW THE PURPOSE OF AN AIRCRAFT OPERATING CLOSE TO THE BORDER, ACCIDENTAL ENCROACHMENT IS ALLOWED AND NECESSITATES NO SCRAMBLE OR INTERCEPTION, UNLESS THE AIRCRAFT IS ON A PATH INTO YOUR COUNTRY WITH NO DEFINED EXIT POINT. IF THE AIRCRAFT IS MILITARY AND CLEARLY ARMED, AN AIRBORNE SENTRY CONSISTING OF AN INTERCEPTION SQUADRON IS ENCOURAGED TO FLY A HOLDING PATTERN ALONG THE BORDER FOR QUICK TURNAROUND. (NOTE, THAT DOESNT HAVE SHOOTDOWN OR EVEN RADAR LOCK ANYWHERE IN THE DEFINITION OF TURN AROUND)
DO NOT FIRE UPON AN AIRCRAFT THAT IS LEAVING OR HAS LEFT AIRSPACE. IT IS AN ACT OF WAR THAT BARS YOU FROM INCITING ARTICLE 5, AS NATO IS A DEFENSIVE MILITARY ORGANIZATION AND ARTICLE 5 ONLY COVERS A NATION ATTACKING A NATO COUNTRY WITHOUT DIRECT PROVOCATION OF THAT COUNTRY, OR AN OBJECTIVE ACT OF WAR AGAINST YOUR NOW PRESENT AGGRESSOR.
>>56620460
no matter how you spin it, it's still wrong
the situation is one of two scenarios
>shoot him when he's in
or
>shoot him when he's out
seeing as how the jet was in there for only 10 seconds, you'd be hard pressed to even match that time by pulling the trigger that fast to launch the missiles.
The turk faggots obviously pursued
>>56618950
>to attack ISIS
RT viewer detected
>>56620831
terries are terries m8, no matter what label you give to them
>>56618791
>There’s no argument over the choice between peace and war, but there’s only one guaranteed way you can have peace—and you can have it in the next second—surrender.
>Admittedly, there’s a risk in any course we follow other than this, but every lesson of history tells us that the greater risk lies in appeasement, and this is the specter our well-meaning liberal friends refuse to face—that their policy of accommodation is appeasement, and it gives no choice between peace and war, only between fight or surrender. If we continue to accommodate, continue to back and retreat, eventually we have to face the final demand—the ultimatum. And what then—when Nikita Khrushchev has told his people he knows what our answer will be? He has told them that we’re retreating under the pressure of the Cold War, and someday when the time comes to deliver the final ultimatum, our surrender will be voluntary, because by that time we will have been weakened from within spiritually, morally, and economically. He believes this because from our side he’s heard voices pleading for “peace at any price” or “better Red than dead,” or as one commentator put it, he’d rather “live on his knees than die on his feet.” And therein lies the road to war, because those voices don’t speak for the rest of us.
America, 1964
>Just let that shit slide
- America, 2015
>>56620609
That's what I remember, but my service ended in '99. Can anyone more recent confirm?
>>56620460
except this would be like a border security guard shooting the police of another country, because he's been arresting criminals on the other side of the border, and then one day crosses over for 20 seconds in pursuit of a target. And in this scenario the border guard chases him into the other country and shoots the officer in the back as the officer is pursuing a perp.
You'd have to be a fucking idiot
>>56617789
>Why do we owe these slavshits any empathy again?
We don't, but Putin pays shills a decent Russian wage to post on here. We're just going to have to deal with it.
>>56620460
>the defense guards had enough and took defensive action
No, crossing into the other country to kill that person is NEVER a defensive action.
>>56620609
sauce on these rules?
bump for rules
>>56617789
>stoltenberg
>>56617789
fuck off nsa
