Is it probable that NATO and Russia will go to war?
>>56601253
Nah, we going to let Turkey get fucked until Russia is satisfied, and then make nice.
>>56601253
Russia is going to glass turkey, and obama will than send putin a letter expressing his deep concern.
>>56601803
Deep may be too serious, lets just start with 'concern' and see how we go
>>56601253
NATO never intended on helping Turkey if Russia ever had beef with them. It was just a trick to kek Turkey so they would be on our side if we ever decided to attack Russia.
We don't give 1 shit about Turkey.
>>56601253
if they ever go to war, they will go to war over the northpole. which 30% of the earths remaining gas and oil and and russia has claimed 2/3s of the northpole. which the NATO does not like.
>>56601253
>Turkey warns Russia not to fly into territory
>Russia ignores it
>Turkey complains to the NATO
>Russia ignores it
>Turkey shoots down a plane
>Russia is annoyed that the pilot didn't reach the border yet, not that he was shot down
It's going to be a bunch of bitching from both sides while the other countries look the other way.
>>56602903
stop arming terrorists
>>56602962
said the muslim terrorist
>>56602903
i dont understand, why does russian not have these fireworks the you guys have?
>>56603042
Fireworks incompatible with vodka tanks, anon
>>56602962
I'll be sure to send a memo.
>>56602903
Just like with USS Liberty?
I seriously doubt it.
No
Russian oligarchs have their money in the Western banks
>>56603042
Flares Caff are not 100% They are Decoy and need to be deployed fast, if missile detonate to close from plane sharps can penetrate hull and do damages.
This one Flight Low 6Km and not to fast, thy even didn't think Stupid Turks will shoot missile in them.
RIP Sweet Princes, Peace your soul, Condolences for Families of pilots.
Now Russia should equip Kurd's in AA missiles to defend them self's from turkey airstrikes. lets see how Turks Voiating Syrian air space will fail down.
god damn it, why in the fuck is Turkey in NATO.
Just when we were teaming up against mudslimes, this comes out of nowhere.
Seems like a strategy to take the pressure off of mudslimes for the time being.
>>56601253
They shot down KEEP ME POSTED guy????
>>56601253
NO, Brother!
They EXPECT one of Us in the wreckage!
>jet pilot
>a fat fuck slob
Russia has no business calling us fat from now on.
I guess Putin's going to have turkey this christmas
>>56604793
When Turkey was admitted into NATO, it was a secular state and there was a big bad Soviet Union next to it.
Right now it's rapidly turning into a suitcase without a handle and a ticking timebomb inside.
>>56601253
Nothing will happen, and it will strongly hurt Russia's image
Russia is heavily overestimated nowdays, and they ride on it to be more relevant than they actually should
Turkey buttfucking them and getting away with it while break the mask a little
Some people will eventually realize that Russia is nowhere near as powerful and it want the world to think it is
K.. KEEP ME POSTED
>>56601253
No, all Russia has to do is employ pilots that can read maps.
>>56601253
d-did he died?
>>56604793
Exactly this to be honest.
>Russia and USA teaming up against ISIS because Obama doesn't want to look like a total c.uck any more
>Turks pull this nigger stunt turning the conflict into a NATO vs Russia diplomatic crisis
>>56605407
Top fucking lel
>>56601253
This is so sad :((((
RIP
>>56601253
fighting because US was stupid enough to arm KEBAB??
we'll just stand back and enjoy watching (although, I presonally would rather join Russia and help them)
Obama wouldn't mobilize the armed forced if Turkey nuked his favorite golf course
deep concern, problematics, etc. He's a pussy and won't do shit to defend allies
see: France
You don't need to go to war. This isn't a videogame. However, Russia will cut back economic ties to Turkey.
>>56601253
Obama's fucking stupid enough to because he wants to protect his fellow Muslims, so sure.
>>56601253
No, Turkey attacked first, so there will be no help from NATO members.
Enjoy Russia :3
>>56604064
I doubt it, interest rates are shit
>>56602903
You conveniently edited out the part where Turkey shot down the rescue helicopter, too.
>>56601253
>Is it probable that NATO and Russia will go to war?
No, NATO will be against of the downing of the jets, this idea that they will come out and say "Good job Turkey, if they cross the line again shoot them down". They will NEVER do that.
>>56606049
never happened
>>56606049
You conveniently edited out the part where it wasn't the Turkish military that shot down the helicopter.
>>56601253
Turkey might have been the ones doing the "attacking" so it could be argued NATO wouldn't have to respond to a war between Turkey and Russia.
>>56601253
What will happen is that the Kurds will have get a whole shitload of weapons from "someone" to fuck with Ankara.
Have fun becoming Afganistan 2.0, Turks!
No,
Why would they start WW3 over some random dead ruskie
>>56606285
No clause in NATO roe for NATO member agression.
Hopefully they boot turkey out and leave them to the wolves.
Americans already died to protect shitskins in Saudi Arabia, so why not for more in Turkey?
THE BUZZER IS BACK. THE BUZZER IS BACK.
>>56606353
Even 1 of your countrymen's life is worth going to war for.
There is no upper or lower limit to Patriotism my friend.
>>56601253
Mainly this is how I see it.
>Russkies been doing these gay ass"pooped in your garden,before you shot salt in my ass" maneuvers around balts and ukraine quite a while
>only response they get is the NATOs warplanes leading them out of the airspaces.
>now they tried to check on Kebabs reaction
>Got btfo instantly
(If I recall they did this trick the second time, first one ended with 3-4 turk planes escorting the russian plane out of the airspace)
>Now russkies are in awkward situation
>no chanse of winning ww3 unless total nuclear fallout(even slavs arent that dumb)
>russkies gonna prolly proxy backstab turks soon in some way.
>everyone else sits on their asses and no habbebing whatsoever.
>Actually proves that Turks are more based than any Nato country
Just won't take shit from russkies
>>56605646
I see what you did there.
>>56606024
Are you sure that is how Article 5 works?
>>56605541
>fat
That's bearmode dude
>>56601253
Only if you are a retard
Russia would never directly attack NATO, they would get rekt.
>>56606268
"turkish militia" shot it down. What a major difference that is.
>>56606560
That's why NATO should boot Turkey out.
>>56606353
We've started world wars over less.
>>56601253
>attacking Russia in the winter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UX8qhZlsMKo
Nato is a bad idea as piece of shit kebab countries like turkey exploit it.
>no turk in this thread
oh boy did Erdogan already ban every western site?
>>56606723
spot on, Genghis
>>56606744
Oh wait I forgot I filtered turks.
>>56606744
They are too busy shooting down anything that looks like russian tech
>>56606641
russia still wouldnt attack turkey. we're not keks like yuros
>>56604723
They were in turk airspace for ~10-15 seconds
It's no surprise they didn't expect to get shot down.
>Accidentally fly into turkish airspace
>Turkish air control tells you to GTFO
>You try to gtfo
>shot down after you've flown out of their country anyways
RIP ,he died for his country , honourable man
>>56601253
He wasn't too close for missles
>>56606478
That is not at all what's going on, moron.
Russians regularly fly strategic bombers along the borders, it gives casus belli for shit if their planes get shot down, and NATO isn't retarded, so they mobilize a couple fighters and escort the russians away. There's no political fallout from it, and pilots on both sides get training.
This situation was a Russian ground attack jet on a combat mission. He flew into turkish airspace, part of a little 2km nubbin poking into Syria, was told to turn around, DID SO, and then got shot down anyways while in Syrian airspace within the span of ~10-15 seconds from first entering Turkish airspace. That may as well be an act of war.
Turkey can kiss their ambitions of joining the EU away, and may even get kicked out of NATO.
>>56601253
YESS
About time those fucking turks got owned.
>>56607908
it was literally the t*rkish micropenis airspace which is why they're so mad about it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4pRmKGexz0
Turkey is going to get nuked when the people will know how the parachuting pilot was cowardly killed
>>56606024
Polish intellectual ITT, good thinking. Take over Turkey, split it between Slavs and put Turks in Gulags/Kazakhstan.
>>56608611
Yeah, and bombing them from 30,000 feet without chance of being hit isn't cowardly.
It's more likely that Turkey will get kicked out of NATO.
They don't even meet the defence spending requirements to remain in NATO and should have been shitcanned long ago.
>>56601253
He just wanted to go home and be a family man
What's the deal with the Arab nations military pact or are they just medieval fucks?
>>56606826
Yes you're just a bunch of nobodies with NATO hardware, Russia built nuclear plant for you fags because your country has no technology of its own, if there's a war you will get fried with nukes before your NATO fuckbuddies can do anything to save you autists
>>56607908
If they were in their airspace for 10-15 seconds, that means Russian plane was shot down outside of Turkish airspace.
Which is an act of aggression.
Also, if it was in their airspace for 10-15 seconds, how the fuck did they issue ''dozens of warnings'' as US military confirmed?
You can't weasel out of this. Turks did a stupid thing. Even if they shot it inside of Turkish airspace, it would be insanely stupid.
Shooting down of U2 over middle of USSR was seen as extreme measure. Now imagine how this will be seen.
>>56601253
nah m8, they will give them turkeys ass
Canadians are war weary.
We certainly aren't going to defend fucking Turkey
It would be funny though to see all the SJWs turn 180 degrees into "poor little females" when they try to draft them.
>>56604723
>Britain in charge of English
>>56608928
You guys gonna nuke the Turky or Slow Roast it with artillery.
>>56601253
NATO going to war because turkish svages act all retarded? I'll believe it when I see it...
>>56608928
>if there's a war you will get fried with nukes before your NATO fuckbuddies can do anything to save you autists
Why are they autists because your pilot cannot read a map?
RUSSIA AND PUTIN BTFO
DINDU NUFFIN
>>56606353
>No,
>Why would they start WW3 over some random dead ruskie
Greece is going to get Constantinople back in the end and it will boost economy. Kurds are about to get a bunch of neat shit which just means more proxys ftw. Trump going to benefit.
>White House: 'Russian incursion into Turkish airspace lasted seconds'
>>56606723
piece of shit countries like USA/UK are the worst exploiters of all
force-feeding Northern Europe with millions of sudras
>>56601253
Possible? Definitely.
Probable? Not so much.
>>56608589
Holy shit those fucking roaches.
I mad.
They had no reasonable reason to shoot him down, not for such an irrelevant violation that must have lasted all of 3 minutes.
Now I'm starting to genuinely believe that the Turks are trying to sabotage any chance for a coalition against ISIS.
>>56608731
well if you're going to use that analogy...
>>56606353
WW1 was started by some guy being killed
>>56606433
Then why didn't you guys go to war when a servicemen was beheaded in the streets of Britbongistan?
>>56601253
I hope not, I don't want to side with filthy Turkshits.
>>56610459
>Franz Ferdinand
>'some guy'
>>56608589
Russia claims they didn't violate airspace. What's the source of this map?
>>56610644
>people cared enough about a shit band to start a war.
>>56610597
if it's not NAZI it's not right
>implying anyone would be willing to go to war to defend the t*rks
if nato wanted war with russia it would have gone for it with the ukraine . even if the ukraine isnt a member it doesnt matter
if russia doesnt retaliate its going to be a shock. weather or not we hear about it is another thing entirely
>>56610905
They've already blown up the president's bus.
>>56610809
My sides.
Nothing will happen.
>>56602962
stop being terrorists
>>56602962
That's a pretty rare flag you got there.
>>56608731
>without chance of being hit
You do know a Russia jet was shot down, right? Not to mention many Syrian aircraft before this.
>>56610504
Because they brought it on themselves lol
>>56610905
nobody cared about ukraine except germoney (ua is basically its client state atm) and it's neighbours
removing assad is essential for israel supremacy in the middle east, so it means that we will get full blown ww3 if russia went apeshit on turks
i bet there will be civil war in turkey soon :')
>>56603042
flares are not so much for warding off missiles as its for preventing a lock on your heat-signature.
If a missile with a lock is already flying then its usually to late.
chaffs tend to do jack shit against modern radar-homing missiles.
>>56601253
Not a chance in hell.
Russia is not going to do shit.
>>56609017
>''dozens of warnings''
According to Turkey they started issuing warnings as the plane approached its air space, warning them that they were getting too close.
>>56611373
China owns like 5-10% of Ukraine's land for famring since before the revolution.
lmao
>4 unique Russian posters ITT
Its like 2ch in here
>>56610504
Who should we have gone to war with then dumbfuck?
Jamaica or Ghana or whatever um bongo country they were from?
>>56607908
>>56609017
>>56602962
sure as fuck your people and kosovo people didn't seem too tired of being proud of their relatives going to fight for isis
>>56601253
I don't think there is much sympathy for Turkey in the nato.
>>56611923
chine + russia + iran + india versus NATO
sounds good
>Majority of Syrian refugees are in Turkey
>Turkey starts war with Russia for "reasons"
>Now all refugees in Turkey will have to flood into Europe.
>Along with a ton of Turkish refugees
So was the whole point of this to destroy Europe faster?
>>56612140
>implying Turkey shot down the Russian plane on its own volition without NATO support and cheerleading
nice try schlomo
What is the picture trying to show?
>>56611092
no internet in bosnia
only terrorists
>>56610086
BASED SYRIA
THANK YOU BASED ASSAD
WE LOVE YOU ASSAD
>>56612354
no way any cvck in power has the balls to give such an order
Nato statement soon
http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/events_67375.htm
>>56613061
true, they are weasly kikes, but Turkey has neither the technological knowhow nor guile to act on its own
>>56612278
>implying I am allowing any of that shit to enter.
>if they draft us in, I have firearms training as a hunter
BRING THE NIGGERS TO ME!
>>56610086
ALL GLORY TO BASHAR THE LION
>>56605407
nice
>Russia constantly plays chicken with other countries airspace.
>Someone finally shoots one of their aircraft down
I sure didn't see this one coming.
no.
>>56610107
Same can be said why start a world war over some dead Austrian?
>>56605625
underrated post
>>56614137
it's just an excuse
NATO taunting Russia
NATO thinks it's invincible
how wrong they are
Turkmen here from Turkmenistan.
I just want Russians to know that we despise those fucking arabs, the people in Turkey have nothing to do with Turks, original turks are mongolic in origin.
our people go to turkey for menial labour and get murder like dogs. Those that arent are treated like subhumans.
Our women are being exported to Turkey to be drugged up cumdumpsters for africans.
Half of our population died to drugs coming in from afghanistan and handled and dealt by Turkish companies with all sorts of immunities from the law here.
They walk around ashgabat like gods with their money, spouting "turkish broherhood" bullshit then abusing the fuck out of you...
It has to end, please Russia, come back.
Uzbeks are in the same boat, we are all envoius of Crimean people...
pls help
>>56606826
smelly turks have been playing fast and loose for far too long. they pretend to want in the european union, while they funnel fighters to the islamic state. they pretend to be secular, while they have an islamist government. they pretend to be in nato, while they carry out unprovoked attacks on russians.
soon, the world will unite against the turks and their ally the islamic state. we will remove the muslims from constantinople, and give the hagia sophia back to the greek orthodox church.
>>56608611
This makes me irate.
>>56613766
>USA constantly bombs Middle Eastern countries
>Gets bombed back
BUH MY 9/11
>>56605407
kek
>>56604064
that makes no sense
No but it's probable NATO kicks Turkey out
>>56611188
Rebels, Burger-san, rebels.
The rebels were shooting at the pilots.
>>56610404
Japan had planes that could have shot it down, Crumpet-san.
>>56613766
This wasn't a case of russia playing chicken with anyone's airspace though.
Literallly accidentally flew into turkish airspace for 15 seconds and got shot down while flying over syrian airspace.
Shot down by a country who are supposed to be allies against ISIS and terrorism.
Why am I not surprised that a burger is defending terrorists again? Maybe you guys need a second 9/11 to wake you the fuck up.
>>56614909
USA arms and finances rebels
Turkey has no nukes?
>>56614983
so that justifies the atomizing of a quarter of a million civilians?
>>56601253
>>56614995
> and got shot down while flying over syrian airspace.
This is the key part.
You can have border guards shooting someone who crosses your border. This is defensive.
You cannot have border guards see someone cross your border and go back outside, and then follow them into the other country to kill them. That is offensive.
NATO only applies for defensive actions. This was not a defensive action.
Isnt that guy a little fat and a little tall to be a pilot?
I thought pilots were all like 5'8 and under
>>56601803
Obama even writing a letter tweeting about it is more likely
>>56610086
heroes
>>56601253
No, but there is now a very telling light shinning on Turkey.
Interesting times ahead.
Maybe Turkey's support of ISIS will be dragged out in to plain public view and become part of the mainstream media cycle.
>>56602962
Stop being Muslim
>>56614995
This isn't how airspace works. Even flying very near the boundaries of known airspace unannounced in a no-no and Russia does it all the time.
So even if the aircraft was in Turkish airspace ~15 seconds it was very likely in a grey area for far longer, possibly minutes.
Russia knows how this really works in reality. They know even flying on the edge of other nations airspace is enough to provoke warnings and interception. but apparently they think they are a regional power now and thus immune to this.
The claim that Russians are fighting muh terrorists doesn't give them the right to do this shit without risk. Other NATO countries may chastise Turkey for this but behind close doors I guarantee you they are supporting their action.
>>56615810
not likely
>>56603042
You need to actually know you're about to be blown up to deploy them.
>>56602962
Why do you keep trying to force your gay meme in each thread? Fuck off already
>>56605854
>Nigeria
>>56615039
Well, Saudis, with the approval of the US
The rebels aren't the bad guys any more than the SAA are in this conflict.
>>56613414
I-I want firearms too
Why don't we have our own second amendment?:(
>these fucking fags taking a selfie at the NATO press conference
>>56616226
sauce on that gif?
>>56608450
>Turkey picking a side ever
Who has that polandball comic?
He literally can't go to toilet without flamethrower and lost war to birds
>>56616226
Sweden YES
>>56616683
Movie adaptation of Pink Floyd's "The Wall" album, apparently.
Su-24s are old aircraft. Based on Russia's level of preparedness many likely don't even have radar warning receivers.
By consequence it's almost certain they aren't carrying IR MAWs of any kind. The most likely scenario is this:
Russian pilots knew Turkish aircraft were nearby, probably wasn't too concern as he'd skirted/entered Turkish airspace before.
Probably got shot down with an AIM9 in which case he had no clue he was even fired on until he was hit or it was way too late.
I wouldn't be surprised if Russia starts transferring actual modern aircraft for use in Syria after this event.
>>56616712
NVM, found it.
>>56616040
You are one nasty fucking shill you know that?
That particular area where the russian jet got shot down was Rebel held territory bordering Turkey. Literally everyday rebels escape Syrian and Russian attacks into Turkey to seek refuge, but Turkey won't do shit about that, will they?
>>56616226
>being this excited by a black guy
SWEDEN YES
>>56616040
You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.
The last thing the US wants is NATO to give legitimacy to the idea that it's okay to shoot down planes during airspace incursions. I'll leave it as an exercise to the reader to figure out why this is so potentially devastating.
Everyone with any military or diplomatic knowledge is currently figuring out how they can possibly mitigate the damage Turkey has done.
>>56601253
No, there's a minister of Russia talking live right now. He's saying that Russia and Turkey must improve their measures so that this does not happen again, but that's it.
https://www.rt.com/on-air/
>>56617723
clearly the word of a TV presenter is the final declaration of Putin
>>56618362
What are you calling me a jew for, when I am linking to RT?
I swear, retards like you give /pol/ a bad name.
I THINK NO
>>56618629
>I swear, retards like you give /pol/ a bad name.
>shilling the pro-NATO angle
that's why
>>56618895
You retard, I am here wishing that Russia nukes the hell out of Turkey. Go fuck yourself, you jew-calling, tirggerhapy tard.
>>56601253
literally nothing is going to happen
>>56604793
When will you figure it out? USA needs turkey because it's an easy way for terrorists to enter Daeshland. USA wants as much chaos in the arab world as possible and best possible scenario for them is a NATO-Russia war since that means they can stomp the shit out of EU and make more money.
