/pol/:
>Race is real af.
Biologic scientists:
>There is no biological basis for races. It's just a social construct built during colonization.
So what is the correct answer?
>>56600411
Who's that finn qt?
But biologists don't say that
POL IS ALWAYS RIGHT
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>>56600411
I think that the redefinition of race has led to the fact that biologists say that there are no biologically different races. Instead it's classed as different subspecies, but it's just another word for race.
Race is real af.
>>56600411
>Biologic scientists
i think you mean sjws
>>56600411
What if a biologist says race is real af?
>>56600411
No race my ass
>>56600411
how fucking stupid are you?
of course race is real, you nonce
>>56600411
As extremely social creatures, we will always look for common traits to organize into groups. Phenotype is a very useful one because it's proof of similar social background and genes.
Culture will never be disassociated from "race"; if someone managed to breed the whole human race into homogeneity, we'd start obsessing over lesser genetic traits like the form of the ears.
>>56600411
>what a shoddy amerikek anthropologist says about human race
>"I would like to point out some excellent arguments for abandoning the concept of human race"
>http://www.jstor.org/stable/2739576
Notice how NO ACTUAL SCIENCE is used and instead as any sociology graduate it turns into a matter of argumentation and feelings.
>what a based nip biologist says about race
>"Genetic distance estimates suggest that among the three major races of man the first divergence occurred about 120,000 years ago between Negroid and a group of Caucasoid and Mongoloid and then the latter group split into Caucasoid and Mongoloid around 60,000 years ago."
>http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01908190
This is ACTUAL SCIENCE and not the liberal fairy tale.
Genetically speaking, race is a meaningless word. For example, its possible that I can have more similar DNA to someone in Africa than a white dude from my own country (Im white). That said, I think race is a quick and easy way to classify people based on populations and melanin frequencies.
>>56601574
>Genetically speaking, race is a meaningless word.
And yet we can determine someone's race through genetics. Hrm.
>>56601574
>For example, its possible that I can have more similar DNA to someone in Africa than a white dude from my own country (Im white)
This has been debunked years ago lil kek
>>56600411
>Biologic scientists:
>There is no biological basis for races. It's just a social construct built during colonization.
Source: my ass
>>56600411
typical leftist tactics...
Lets change the meaning of the word so you become wrong and we become right!
Hurr durr
Republicans and Democrats switched issues
Hurr durr
definition of rape
Hurr durr
definition of gender
etc.
>>56602276
What he means is that there isn't a fixed amount of genes that determine your race, so you could claim different Native American tribes are different races if you get down to it.
What you can determine is someone's ancestry. This whole shit is why I've been looking for a word that is the "racism" equivalent of hating a certain culture.
>>56600411
>There is no biological basis for races. It's just a social construct built during colonization.
Ahh yes I too remember when biologists denounced anthropology
>>56600595
They don't say that.
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/scienceshow/science-vs-podcast-asks:-does-race-exist/6525064
>biological difference exists but to classify people into distinct races is impossible.
>the level of difference correlates with historical distance in location
>the amount of difference within humanity is small compared to other species.
>>56603876
because 80% of homo sapiens got btfo around 70k years ago by some worldwide volcano event
>>56601528
From your link
> Application of the theory of genetic distance to data on protein polymorphism in man indicates that the genetic variation between the three major races, Caucasoid, Negroid, and Mongoloid, is much smaller than the variation within them, despite the fact that there is a conspicuous difference in some morphological characters such as pigmentation, facial structure, and hair texture.
MORE DIFFERENCE WITHIN RACE THAN BETWEEN RACES
>>56604074
>MORE DIFFERENCE WITHIN RACE THAN BETWEEN RACES
There can also be more genetic variation within a family than compared to another family.
Is your contention then that families are not real?
>>56603876
They usually rely on sophistry like that to hide what they're doing, so they don't get Watsoned. Even the difference in phenotypes alone would be enough to classify humans as different sub-species if we were any other animal.
>>56604222
Families are literally social constructs.
The twist is that social constructs are also real.
>>56604074
Races do not indicate the level of genetic difference by chance, which is still the majority factor in any case. It indicates a set of dominant genetic markers that are commonly shared by all within that race.
>>56600411
>>56600411
>>There is no biological basis for races. It's just a social construct built during colonization.
9/11 bait m8
>>56600411
It feels like a game of semantics to me. Perhaps the technical definition of race does indeed mean there is only one race of humans (left) on this planet. Perhaps the better term is whatever we use to differentiate different types of dogs. "breeds"? There is no denying that there are vast differences between, say, a Saint Bernard and a Chiwawa in size, temperament, behavior - they might all be the same dog-race but there are differences.
So whatever we wanna call it, playing this little wordgame of saying there aren't different races when there clearly are differences is pointless. And it rather irks me when scientists attempt this verbal trickery.
>>56600411
> implying
There is increasing tension between scientists and our lovely Cultural and Political Hegemony because quite a few scientists refuse to tow the politically correct line that "We Know Everything About the Brain And Racial Science and The Conclusion Is That Race Isn't Real"
>>56604375
You honestly think that genetic kinship is a social construct?
Do you know how babby is formed?
/pol/:
>Race is real
Soft science fag:
>There is no biological basis for races. It's just a social construct built during colonization.
Biologists and geneticists:
>p-please don't ask me this question...muh funding...
>>56604074
You realize you could plausibly say this about humans in general and chimps, right
High genetic variation within a race does not mean that there aren't very well defined clusters
>>56603876
Fucking fascist.
>>56604822
>genetic kinship
You asked about family though
Words have fucking meaning. You can't just change them like some leftist.
>>56604375
>>56604074
You're delusional m8
>>56604571
>Perhaps the technical definition of race does indeed mean there is only one race
no it doesn't, don't fall for the bullshit baka
>>56605173
>Words have fucking meaning. You can't just change them like some leftist.
That is literally what you just did in your last post.
>>56603876
they have different color skin, thats not a difference?
niggers can't take the same blood pressure meds, thats not a difference?
god damn i hate that i took biology and know more than these liberal welfare degree "scientists"
>>56605173
Fuck, now families don't share genetic kinship?
You don't know how baby is formed, after all.
I'm sorry. I feel like I picked a fight with another kid on the playground that looked normal, but when he swung at me he screamed, "BEEEAAANS!"
I base race on Hablogroups
R1 is European (White)- the rest are not
>>56600738
Don't even need a Biologist. Talk to any medical professional (Doctors, etc), they are the ones who deal with people first hand and can tell you the predisposition of diseases and behaviors of races based on their interactions with them.
>>56600411
>Race is not real
>white privilege exists
your move
>>56605624
>races don't exist
>therefore racism can't exist
Left are morons
>>56605459
>>56605327
>>56605278
>>56605008
>>56604918
While I'm sure you guys are esteemed 'hard' scientists and not at all those 'soft' science sociology faggots you hate, the fact remains the only scientific paper linked in this whole thread
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01908190
pretty much says genetic variation is minimal and correlates with mathematical models of divergence based on distance.
But I guess the argument is that scientists can't say what they REALLY think because some sort of conspiracy which must be true because of all the lack of evidence.
>>56605688
The arugment is that botboth race and racism are social constructs. It's not that we can't tell the difference between races, but that we've drawn arbitrary lines in the sand to justify discrimination.
I mean obviously that's bullshit but it's what leftists say.
>>56605875
Then you ask them to define it, or you give my personal definition - see >>56605538
Then again trying to inform modern Left is like trying to make niggers not steal
>>56605538
What about I1, for example?
>>56606043
I said "White" as in what most people think "White" is - ie European
Nordies, like Slavs, are they're own seperate group of people
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>>56605827
I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the laughter...families don't share genetic kinship because you literally don't know how babby is formed.
It's just...wow, man.
As for the "genetic variation is minimal and correlates with blahblahblah," how does that mean there aren't discrete and detectable variations between human population groups?
Hint: it doesn't, because you can literally determine someone's race (ancestry) with a tiny bit of their spit or blood.
>>56606194
But Slavs are predominantly R1a...
>>56605875
>we've drawn arbitrary lines
>not that we can't tell the difference
>difference
>arbitrary
>I mean obviously that's bullshit but it's what leftists say.
bingo
>>56606341
Only the Western ones
>>56605827
> create political environment where even bringing up the topic of racial differences can result in censure, job loss, lack of funding, death threats, ostracism, etc.
> "Hah, you guys can barely come up with any papers!"
Sure seems "scientific" in here
>>56600411
>Biologic scientists:
>>There is no biological basis for races. It's just a social construct built during colonization.
Scientists also say that race is real; it's just SJW tards who say it isn't.
If we're all the same then how come I'm not a 6'3 nigger dunking and raping?
>scientists
You mean anthropologists and sociologists.
>>56600411
race is a difference in genetics based on the region you live in
any biologists that say race doesn't exist are trying to be politically correct or have never taken a college biology course (not biologists). race does exist but it isn't a big deal regarding genetics, as people will grow up based on their surroundings rather than small differences in genetics like race (the largest difference is in skin pigmentation, which is a regional adaptation as a result of tens of thousands of years of living in a certain region). the huge majority of impact of race on development is environmental rather than genetic basically.
>>56600411
Canis Lupus Familiaris
The domestic dog. It has many different breeds, ranging from those prone to aggression, those prone to submission, those prone to intelligence, those prone to digging, those prone to escaping. Each one has different characteristics largely attributed to their breeds.
They can all still successfully produce offspring between modern day wolves, because they share a common wolf ancester. They're genetically close enough. But a pit bull is the same species as a saint bernard and they're different beasts.
The same species, but vastly different. Whether or not we are the same species, technically the same animal, even scientists cannot deny that we share different genes which make us smarter or dumber, faster or slower, hostile or peaceful and whether you use the word 'race' or not, the observable difference is usually only the skin colour which allows us to discern which of these groups of which of these behaviours.
If race doesn't exist and we're not different subspecies, we're different breeds of human and it matters.
>>56605827
Why should that 15% between races not define anything?
The Y-Chromosome is only 1 of 46 chromosomes humans have, and yet it defines the clear difference between a man and woman with genetic freaks in between marking an anomoly that represents less than 0.1%.
>>56606255
> Your children will grow up to be less intelligent and less successful and your race will slowly dilute and disappear
> But look it doesn't matter because when you completely blur our her face and focus on her ass this one black girl looks attractive
>>56600411
"Races" aren't real.
"White" today doesn't mean what it meant 100 years ago.
"Race" is simply another term for ethnic groups.
Ethnic groups are very real.
>>56600411
>Biologic scientists:
>>There is no biological basis for races. It's just a social construct built during colonization.
I'm a physical anthropologist and I firmly believe in the concept of a biological race.
Who do you consider an authority on 'biological science'?
How about... I dunno, Richard Dawkins since he's a world renowned evolutionary biologist?
" However small the racial partition of total variation may be, if such racial characteristics as there are highly correlated with other racial characteristics, they are by definition informative, and therefore of taxonomic significance." - The Ancestors' Tale, Richard Dawkins
https://www.23andme.com/
For just 200 dollars, you could have validation that you are part of the proud white European race. The way we define race is kinda arbitrary. But what race should be is correlated to the region of your ancestors.
People of the nigger race have ancestors who lived in Africa. People of the white race lived in Europe. The chicks lived in east asia. Yada yada
>>56606255
Of course it matters. Look at the achievement or lack of achievement of different race.
>>56600754
Are u raciss?
They all look like icelandic people.
>>56600411
Is debate and the million others like it are why Wittgenstein should be required high school reading. The debate should center on evidence of difference measurable aspects, not on the definition of words or their application to some instance.
>>56606919
>giving your info to Corporations like Google
kek
>Biologic scientists
>>56606653
dogs
kin-tier
>>56606418
Pretty sure R1a is the predominant haplogroup amongst East Slavs as well, by a comfortable margin (25% in Russians, 30% in Ukrainians, etc.). No idea about South Slavs off the top of my head, honestly.
>>56606966
meh.
>>56606760
Her face is just fine. It just so happens that her ass is her best feature.
>>56607038
>not giving your info to corporations like Google
shiggy
Don't you want them to give you advertisements based on your interest?
>>56607038
What are they going to do with it? I'm a typical male of northwestern European descent, genetically-speaking. They could grab a random guy from Groningen or Yorkshire in my place and have pretty much the same information.
>>56606966
Children in single-parent families (2013);
16% Asian
25% White
42% Hispanic
67% Black
http://datacenter.kidscount.org/data/tables/107-children-in-single-parent-families-by#detailed/1/any/false/36,868,867,133,38/10,168,9,12,1,13,185/432,431
Average Freshman Graduation Rate (AFGR) for public high school students (2015);
93% Asian
85% White
76% Hispanic
68% Black
https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/pdf/coe_coi.pdf
Average SAT score (2013);
1,645 Asian
1,576 White
1,354 Hispanic
1,278 Black
https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=171
>>56607421
> face is just fine
Right there it sure looks like a pretty standard (ugly) black face
>>56607309
>No idea about South Slavs off the top of my head, honestly.
They're mostly I (30~40% range afaik), followed by R1a.
>>56600411
Niggers spawning more niglets is not a social construct, it is biology.
>>56600411
I would just like to seriously ask:
If there are obvious physiological differences between races, can this extend into psychological differences which make people of a "race" act differently to other "races"?
"Race" is just a ploy;
Subvert European with "white"
>burr race is not real we da same
"Whiteness" deconstructed therefore European-ness deconstructed.
"we all same so replacement migration is fine, but we ove diversity, even though we the same" and other doublethinks.
>Le Europeans exterminated the end
Its a ploy of identity subversion and burning the wicker man, its a kike ploy and you can see it mile off.
>>56604495
Nobody cares what Rasheed al-Dawkins thinks about anything. He's been instrumental in bringing about the destruction of the Anglo people.
I hope they smash his teeth out with a hammer before they behead him.
>>56607787
Thanks, Brasilbro.
>>56607745
I like black faces, I guess. Seems fine to me.
>>56600411
biological scientists
>there are huge measureable differences in races including intelligence and IQ
political "scientists"
>>There is no biological basis for races. It's just a social construct built during colonization.
>>56604316
What's "Watsoned"? Does it have anything to do with the way society has built a narrative and demanded that science support it no matter what the facts demonstrate?
>>56600411
>>There is no biological basis for races. It's just a social construct built during colonization.
What do they mean by that? There is no one trait that defines a race? Sure. But races are just associations of many traits genetically and phenotypically. There is no one gene or trait that defines them, but there are tendencies we find associated with each other in nature. We call these groupings races.
>>56600411
>Biological scientists
Uh, no. The only people saying this are CULTURAL anthroplogists
>>56603876
They're admitting that humans have been in the process of speciation for thousands of years but try to cover their asses by saying "it's not enough yet" even though the differences are undeniable. It's pure political correctness run wild.
>>56600411
Race as the common person understands it is an irrefutably true idea. It's just your group of nearest-genetic-neighbors on the family tree, which expands the further back you go.
I share a more recent common ancestor with a native from Germany than I do with a native from Niger.
Race is somewhat arbitrary based on how far back you want to consider people to be part of your group. But its undeniable that you're more closely related to people from one region of the globe than another. And unless you think genetics has NOTHING to do with behavior, then people from different areas of the globe will have different genetic bases for their behavior.
>>56610550
>But its undeniable that you're more closely related to people from one region of the globe than another.
Most genetic variation happens within populations, though. The only thing you have in common geographically is Alu insertions.
>>56600411
Race is real af. People from different races have different tempers, looks (not just skin color), personality traits etc.
Saying that race is not real and we're all equal just part of Cultural Marxism etc.
>>56609227
what the fuck is a capoid?
Factor Analysis of Population Allele Frequencies as a Simple, Novel Method of Detecting Signals of Recent Polygenic Selection: The Example of Educational Attainment and IQ.
Two single nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs) whose associations with intelligence seem to be robust because they have been replicated in several independent studies were chosen as representative of intelligence increasing alleles.
The first is rs236330, located within gene FNBP1L, whose significant association with general intelligence has been reported in two separate studies (Davies et al, 2011; Benyamin et al, 2013). This gene is strongly expressed in neurons, including. hippocampal neurons and developing brains, where it regulates neuronal morphology (Davies et al, 2011).
The second SNP is rs324650. It was included because its association with IQ has been replicated in four association studies (Comings et al, 2003; Dick et al, 2007; Gosso et al, 2006, 2007). This SNP is located in the gene CHRM2 (cholinergic receptor, muscarinic #2), which is involved in neuronal excitability, synaptic plasticity and feedback regulation of acetylcholine release.
East Asian populations (Japanese, Chinese) have the highest average frequency of beneficial alleles (39%), followed by Europeans (35.5%) and sub-Saharan Africans (16.4%).
http://www.ibc7.org/article/journal_v.php?sid=312
>>56605538
You have no clue what you're talking about. Most Europeans today descend from a handful of bronze age men(about 3 or 4) whose lineages were more successful than tens of thousands of others. The DNA of those others is still in the European gene pool even if their male line descendants are few.
>>56610782
>Most genetic variation happens within populations, though.
Pls go, Lewontin.
actual implications of the findings of modern science:
>Race is real af.
scientists' PR team:
>There is no biological basis for races. It's just a social construct built during colonization.
>>56611508
it's true nigr. :)
>>56609220
>James Dewey Watson (born April 6, 1928) is an American molecular biologist, geneticist and zoologist, best known as one of the co-discoverers of the structure of DNA in 1953 with Francis Crick. Watson, Crick, and Maurice Wilkins were awarded the 1962 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine "for their discoveries concerning the molecular structure of nucleic acids and its significance for information transfer in living material".
he openly discussed race and intelligence (amongst other things) and he was fucked over for it
now that he's retired I can see that the hubbub has died down but a few years ago this was a major deal. He was one of many canaries in the mineshaft.
Scientists know better nowadays. See also: >>56611930
>>56612123
>my meaningless rhetoric is true
ok
>>56611577
>superficial similarity is all there is to a species
You're one dumb nigger. Look at the dog breeds, they're all the same species despite the diverse looks.
>>56612372
>meaningless rhetoric
That's an interesting new name for biology.
>>56610903
>almost 2016
>POL still scared shitless of inevitable cultural revolution
Better keep shitposting here! You know if you speak your views irl you'll get ass blasted and probably robbed
Pussies
>>56600411
>Biologic scientists
But every scientist is biologic.
The correct answer is to fuck off, nigger.
>>56612123
>babby's first genetics conversation
You don't even know what it would mean if it were, man.
>>56612507
>variance in mean between groups is greater than the variance from the minimum to the maximum within a group
Yes, and?
This has zero implications or bearing on the discussion at hand. This is a semantic argument, not a scientific argument. The same is true for certain dog breeds and various types of whales. Picking examples which also demonstrate this while still demonstrating biological differences is like shooting fish in a barrel.
>>56600411
>Biologic scientists
fuck, you are one stupid mongoloid.
>>56612427
>people still not talking about species concepts
Literally everybody in this god damned thread failed high school bio.
Fuck me to death.
>>56612908
random autist lays it out in terms your monkey brain will understand: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=143PJEcScbQ
filtered your trip, name, and hid the thread
cya! :)
>>56612908
>everybody in this god damned thread failed high school bio
>>56612815
>This has zero implications or bearing on the discussion at hand.
It does in that there's no species concept which specifically demarcates 'whiteness' wrt species just because you hate colored people.
And yes, I know there are genetic differences, but it's not as big a deal as you seem to think it is.
>>56612427
>what is breed
>dogs used as examples of un-natural selection all the time
>the driving force of evolution
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
Biological Scientists:
Hitler was absolutely correct about race.
The Aryan people must seize land from der untermensch.
The Thousand Year Reich must move forward, 14/88.
See, I can make stuff up too.
>>56600411
> Biologic scientists:
> Science
I think you've got your answer bro
>>56613218
>THESE SPECIMENS LOOK SIMILAR BUT THEY'RE DIFFERENT SPECIES
>BUT THESE LOOK DIFFERENT FROM EACH OTHER, HOW COME THEY'RE ONE SPECIES
That image is beyond shit and you know it
>>56600411
Here's some scientific data as a preamble. Don't reply with /pol/, I'm serious and spent a good deal of time writing this. Also I'm a biotechnology graduate, if that gives me more credit in your eyes.
There are mainly three types of easily identifiable, recurring genetic variability types in human populations (in order of most important to least important IMO):
-> Genetic variants which confer resistant to disease, such as sickle cell anemia which confers resistance to malaria. This is an evolutionary advantage in regions with malaria.
-> Genetic variants which grant the ability to better exploit a specialized diet, such as lactase persistence which grants adults the ability to digest lactose. This is an evolutionary advantage in cultures which depended heavily on dairy farming.
-> Genetic variants which maximize the production of Vitamin D (and others) by the skin while not compromising protection against UV radiation. This is why people in warmer climates have darker skin and people in cooler climates are pale.
As far as I'm aware, these are the predominant genotype/phenotype variants which could serve as a basis to classify people, and this classification is useful to some extent because some of the genetic variants carry specific health risks.
Here's why the concept of race as /pol/ understands it is wrong: the variability within African peoples is greater than the genetic diversity of the remaining ethnic groups in the world. Also, most of this diversity isn't systematic, as in there isn't a gene or set of genes which clearly changes from ethnic group to ethnic group, it's a bit more random than that. Furthermore, current scientific knowledge and technology is unable to link genetics with complex traits such as intelligence, although it is clear that intelligence is an evolutionary advantage regardless of ethnicity, so this trait would never be silence/suppressed.
>>56604375
Underrated post.
>>56613725
>Here's why the concept of race as /pol/ understands it is wrong: the variability within African peoples is greater than the genetic diversity of the remaining ethnic groups in the world.
This means literally nothing save that there have been Africans in Africa for a very long time. Haplotypical diversity of R1b (to choose an example) is greatest in west Asia, but it doesn't mean subclades don't exist, or that the subclades that dominate Europe aren't genetically differentiated from the remaining predominantly-Asian clades.
>>56600411
It is just a social construct, we're all just one race. We need race quotas at jobs because race doesn't even exist. How hard is it to understand?
>>56613725
>although it is clear that intelligence is an evolutionary advantage regardless of ethnicity, so this trait would never be silence/suppressed.
Someone with an IQ of 70 can chuck a spear just as well as someone with an IQ of 100. Necessity and attractiveness drives evolution. If it's not necessary to be anything above 70 IQ (not that IQ is a truly good indicator of useful intelligence for survival- just an example) in your environment, or found to be as attractive as physical strength, then that trait is going to be suppressed to some extent.
>>56605327
they use arguments like "Some "black" people have genetic mutations that make them less black; shorter, smaller, slower, different colors, etc. Therefore, there is no such thing as race, because the things that group "races" together aren't actually defined" which honestly is the dumbest thing i've ever heard in my entire life.
>>56600411
>biologic scientists
>citation needed
>>56613347
Rare as fuck flag.
>>56614550
I've argued this with people before and they said "just because it's a social construct doesn't mean its effects aren't felt".
This is just white people jerking off at how progressive they are: "I literally don't see race because how could I. Race doesn't even exist in my world!"
Do you think black people want to be told they're literally the same race as whites? Especially after they've been force fed all the kingz and queenz shit their whole lives? Fuck no. They're special. They're different. Same goes for white people. Nobody wants this and it's being jammed into society by a few retarded people who see themselves as paragons of humanity, and a even fewer sociopaths with an agenda.
>>56600411
Listen here sonny,race is the same a dog breeds,if a human breeds with humans of the same race they get the same race,if not they get a bastard race.
This is the simplest i can explain it to a buffoon like yourself,now let me ask you this. If scientists have already said the things i explained above,do you honestly think that they would change it so easily? I mean sure they would but only IF the breed thing didn't exist. Not all dogs are the same,not all humans are the same either.
>>56614534
What that sentence means is that it would more correct to refer to american natives, germans, slavs, indians and chinese as a single race, that saying blacks are a race.
>>56614700
Actually I'm not sure you could be a hunter with an IQ of 70. Human hunters aren't particularly agile or fast, they require planing and coordination to catch prey.
>>56612427
>not realizing physiological difference between a chihuahua and a Labrador
>>56600411
>Biologic scientists:
>There is no biological basis for races. It's just a social construct built during colonization.
I think you mean social scientists. The group who's results have a less than 20% reproducibility rate.
>>56606966
>Tfw Asian master race
>>56600411
"biologic scientists" are intellectually dishonest. you can literally spot race just to look at someone. their argument is basically, "who you gonna trust, me or your lying eyes?"
>>56613347
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>>56600411
Race is a social construct but social constructs are real. Real as in people will treat you differently because of them. Anything that has a measurable effect is real. It may not be fundamental, but it is real. It's like centrifugal force.
>>56615177
The average IQ for Sub-Saharan blacks is like 60-70. The ability to throw and act as a group is likely more important to survival than IQ.
Like I said, IQ isn't actually a good indicator of useful intelligence for survival. Dogs aren't smart, and they can act as a pack and coordinate attacks, but they're also agile. Humans also act as a pack and can throw and use spears, which doesn't require a high IQ...
>>56611121
I think they were the native people of India and a few other Asian countries
>>56615177
>all non-Africans are more closely related to each other than any of them are to Africans
Well, yeah.
I can get behind your idea, actually. There are only two races: human and African.
>>56615751
Actually, should your eyes or science? Science. Not even an argument.
>>56612123
>fat hairy ass
i dont even care shes a nig but that is one disgusting ass
>>56615857
Also, the primary driver of brain enlargement and evolution of intelligence is interaction with other humans. Not hunting or gathering.
>>56614700
White Europeans should've have been the first to develop agriculture then.
>>56613218
Gosh, it's almost like humans have been under selective pressure from some sort of large, artificial structure. Glad we humans don't do that at all...
>>56616815
Nope, it's cold winters. Luckily for Portuguese at least some of your ancestors were in cold places during the Ice Age.
"psst, goyim... there is no race!"
- signed, Jude
>>56616614
This "science" is purely political. Which means it's not even science at all, it's religion.
>>56616147
Thats not what I was saying. What I said is all non-africans are more closely related to each other than africans are to each other.
>>56616991
Not its not winter (or climate for that matter), its interaction with other humans. The ability to navigate society to your benefit was the most important trait for human survival.
>>56600411
>Biologic scientists:
You mean social "scientists"
>>56617413
No, genetics is a natural science. And genetics tells us that race as /pol/ understands it is incorrect.
>>56615082
I agree. The only way I see these retards getting coverage is because of social media, for some reason the media still operates under the thought process of "the majority is always right", they've acknowledged that social media can spread news a lot faster than they can, social media is chock-full of these fucking retards, therefore what they're saying must be the truth. If you mention this to them they'll see "this many people can't be wrong" and "the majority is right" (ignoring the obvious fact that the majority is localised purely to social media and the few irl, who are generally old enough to know better, are the ones who believe whatever they see in the paper because they don't want to be the "odd one out") but, if you point out that 100 years ago the majority were saying the complete opposite (and had more or less ran with that for X many centuries before) they just tell you that "they're the exception to the rule" and "they were on the wrong side of history", considering they quite obviously don't see the irony and can't use common sense, arguing with them is like teaching advanced mathematics to a non-Asian 3 year old. I only get so annoyed about it because in school I was constantly berated for never backing up what I was saying with facts and sources. So I eventually got to the point where I never spoke until I was 100% certain I could confirm exactly what I was saying and still do. The SJWs on the other hand have been told that "facts are racist" and because they're such special snowflakes they don't need to back up anything they say if they can show the emotion it brings out in someone. They literally aren't fit enough mentally to cope with the real world. It feels like we're now being punished by evolution for tinkering with things that would have killed them off long ago, we tried to play God and couldn't handle it. Like that chimp with the AK-47, advanced technology is always dangerous in the wrong hands.
>>56600411
>Africans have had their blood evolve to a state where it can combat Malaria
>this makes them susceptible to sickle cell anemia
>but they're the exact same as whites
We are all the same human species, but we are not all the same denomination. Pretending we are is stupid when some races have different traits. This is a western issue, can't wait until the blacks segregate themselves and we come full circle.
>>56617424
>Thats not what I was saying.
I know, I was having a bit of a laugh.
More seriously, though,
>genetics tells us that race as /pol/ understands it is incorrect
is wrong. /pol/ is not a hivemind. You are /pol/, I am /pol/.
I assure you, nothing in science suggests my understanding of race is wrong.
>>56616795
You realize that all women have fine light-colored hair all over their bodies, right?
>>56618040
Ok, but what is your understanding of race?
>>56600411
>Biological scientist dares to discuss difference in races for humans instead of animals
>His/her career enters the trash can
>>56616815
Would probably help a lot of tribal blacks to devise a written language. That way they could convey more complex thoughts over longer periods of time... Super useful.
>>56616902
"should've" is just conjecture. Europe is rocky in many places, and hunting may have been suiting them just fine. I don't know enough about it to guess much more than that.
>>56617637
>they were on the wrong side of history
This is the worst thing to come out of anything including literal feces... It's just a scare tactic - like calling someone a racist. You don't want to be WRONG do you? Better come over to the right side of history or you'll be remembered as WRONG.
Blah. Completely agree with your wall of text. I'm glad we can at least go to 4chan and have some semblance of a decent conversation anyway. Even if it's abrasive as fuck, at least you're more likely to get a real opinion out of someone instead of what everyone told them to think.
>>56617424
It's not though. Australian Abos and Africans can't have high IQs on average because their climate is too easy to live in. Human interaction might increase verbal IQ but that's useless unless you're a rapper.
>>56618116
this much hair is not normal on women i would say, but maybe the contrast on the black skin makes it more visible i dunno
still, fat asses are fugly
>R1a and R1b are supposed to be master race
>R is literally a brother haplogroup to Q, haplogroup of natives and siberian throat singers
The original indo-europeans were chinky ass lookin niggas and raped their way into the west, adopting caucasian features from the cromagnons and paleolithic europeans
>>56617543
quite the opposite, genetic surveys show us that /pol/ is absolutely correct. just get in any thread discussing y chromosome haplotypes.
>>56619101
I is the Masterrace
Oldest Europeans
Haplogroup of the nordic countries
Aryan af
>>56618238
Humans have variety of clinal population groups. Any such gross population group can be considered a race in the proper context.
>>56600411
If race is a social construct built during colonization, why did every society in history fight and enslave people who looked different from themselves?
>>56620295
>thinking non-Indo-Europeans can be "Aryan" af
>"Aryan" is literally an Indo-European word
>>56600411
I'm going into Biology and I can tell you for certain there is a difference. Biologist try to sweep it under the rug because they know they'd get shit for saying that an abo might be different than someone whose been in Sweden for 20 generations
there are at least different subspecies
you can argue different species (and be right) but it's not PC
>>56618430
Funny thing is, written languages are only useful if the knowledge you need to survive and prosper is greater than the amount of knowledge you can acquire in a small amount of time.
Regardless, africans developed written languages twice to my knowledge: egyptians and nubians. Even if you don't want to count egyptians (you should because the migration blotteneck out of african in the present day suez canal), Nubians were black all the way (lol).
Also, about spoken languages, some african tribes have the most languages known to man, the click languages.
>>56618472
Ok. Suppose you live in a cold climate. What's the easiest way to survive? Perhaps getting other people to help you or even do your work for you. Thats why the driver of intelligence evolution is complex society. And getting other people to help/do your work for you holds true regardless of climate or lifestyle.
Also, I'm not sure verbal IQ is a thing, as in verbal skills aren't distinct from higher level reasoning.
>>56619429
The problem with /pol/ is that, well, the meme /pol/, groups people according historical races, but thats not really how races should be understood. Like historically, Fins were considered white, but we know nowadays that Fins are mongoloid. Also, blacks isn't a race, but rather a collection of races with greater disparity amongst themselves than pretty much the rest of humanity combined.
>>56600411
>>56620295
>implying hg I wasnt nearly keked out of existance by invading ind-europeans
keks back then and keks now, just look at sweden
>>56600411
>There is no biological basis for races. It's just a social construct built during colonization.
These are the same scientists that treat sickle cell disease, and have different medications for various ailments that are targeted at patients of specific ethnicity.
They're just being politically correct
>>56620459
Because without control established over people in order to secure the safety of the individual, people will gather up, fight for the monopoly of violence, and then subdue other groups and take their things.
Please let me know if you need any more help.
>>56600411
>Biologic scientists:
>>There is no biological basis for races. It's just a social construct built during colonization.
But that isn't true. Only social scientists (read: not scientists) say race is a social construct. I'm a biologist specializing in genetics and in the academic circles, race isn't even up for debate. We wouldn't even have differently coloured skin if our genes weren't different. Period.
>>56620727
>implying the original I genepool wasn't contaminated by mixing with Neolithic farmer females who came from Turkey
Pretty easy to go after a race after they are mongrelized with the most inferior shit already.
>>56620689
>>56600411
There are seven parts to a scientific name folks.
Homo sapien is just one similarity.
>>56600411
Race is real and it matters. A lot.
>>56621033
Man, picking your fights fucking carefully there.
>>56600411
If thats true about colonization then why were these ethnic divides present in Native America, Africa, Asia, and the Middle East beside from Europe when they colonized everywhere else?
>>56621243
>neolithic farmers teaching stupid berry picking savages how to grow food and not live like roaming wild beasts
>inferior
even mesoamerican indians knew how how to farm, nordkeks really are barbarians
>>56621755
Just because they figured out how to put shit in the ground doesn't make them smart. There's a very big correlation between homosexuality and Middle Eastern heritage btw. Swedes are very gay indeed but Arabs and Italians are gay almost without exception. Male farmer homosexuality might explain why I lineages took over their gene pools in Europe.
>>56620669
so, part of the problem is that the taxonomic nomenclature is a century old, since the political left has so infested academia that legitimate research into the field is prevented from being done unless the conclusions align with leftist a priori political ideology (ie, that race doesn't exist). but i would suggest that ethnicity is a subdivision of race, and that therefore the negroid race may consist of many different ethnicities with a great degree of biodiversity, yet each of which has a more recent common ancestor than they have with a caucasoid ethnicity.
obviously it's more complex than that, since breeding communication does exist to some degree, and racial hybridization occurs, as in the case of the finns.
>>56622993
No actually. All non-african peoples have a more recent common ancestor than the african peoples amongst themselves. Like, humans migrated from Africa, the shared ancestry of all non-africans is a small portion of the african ancestry.
Also there is no one negroid race, considering the relative genetic diversity of africans and non-africans, you'd have to classify africans into many different black races, and you could easily classify non-africans in a single race using the same set of metrics.
>>56622184
>implying all there is to farming is sticking shit in the ground and doing a rain dance
>implying classical european culture isn't ultimately a derivative of ancient mesopotamian cultures
>hg I
>taking over their genes
have you ever seen a y hg map for the balkans? almost all balkan countries are almost half E/J save for croatia
>>56600411
>what are dog breeds
>>56623589
well, it certainly is a complex issue, but sub-saharan africans have had breeding communication beetween ethnicities basically continuously for tens of thousands of years while non-african people were genetically isolated. Further complicating things, non-africans have been conclusively shown to be the products of admixture with now extinct non-homo sapiens humans, while sub saharan africans had none. This has driven divergent evolution in the species. To deny this would mean that OP's "biological scientists" would have to deny evolution.
Besides, the out of africa hypothesis is hardly unchallengable. It is entirely possible that humans evolved in some other way.
>>56624286
I've never seen evidence for human origin outside of Africa.
>>56624700
Consider that H. Neanderthalis is not indigenous to africa.
>>56624286
>while sub saharan africans had none
Not exactly true. They just bred with different things than the rest of us.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3174671/
>>56624785
I meant, i've never seen evidence for Homo sapiens sapiens origin outside of Africa.
>>56624966
But you would admit, would you not, that caucasoids are mixed with neanderthals? So at least in that way, we have a non-african origin. And if so in that regard, perhaps also in others.
>>56600411
One of the co-discoverers of DNA is a race-realist--so much so he was dismissed when he showed his power level.
This isn't "settled science" as long as James FUCKING Watson disagrees.
/thread
>inb4 I can't /thread my own post
There's plenty of biological basis for it, that's part of why liberals have become anyi-science lately. More accurately anti-any science that is against their own viewpoint.
>every other species of animal on the planet can have subspecies
>For some reason humans can't
LOL sure
>>56624908
interesting, but preliminary. identify the alleged "now-extinct taxon that may have lived in central Africa," before making claims that it's true.
>>56623895
Northern Europeans have 80-85% Middle Eastern mtDNA. Where is the Neolithic Y-DNA?
>>56625281
Yes, I understand european ancestors interbreed with neanderthals, but neanderthals ancestors also originate in africa (although migration probably took place before speciation). The ancestry is still african, although genetic variability in Neanderthals would be a result of a non-african climate.
As far as I know, all species of the genus Homo trace their origins to Africa, as in, there were no Australopithecus or other Homo-progenitors outside Africa.
>>56626117
But that's presumption based on absence of evidence (which is not evidence of absence). The aquatic ape hypothesis, for instance, may represent an alternative view.
>>56600411
Wasn't their stupid fucking argument that "race" and "ethnicity" are 2 different things? They're trying to say "race" doesn't exist but "ethnicity" does. But what's the fucking difference to them?
Just like how they're saying racism and prejudice are different.
>>56625640
I don't believe that's strictly necessary. The fact is that there's still a lot we don't understand (or accept) about human development, especially in sub-Saharan populations. Very obviosly, morphology isn't as telling as genetics, but some of the things we've found just don't fit with the conventional narrative (i.e., skulls with archaic/transitional features from only 12kya).
>>56600411
>So what is the correct answer?
You are mongoloid
If races wouldn't exist you wouldn't be a mongoloid
But you are
>>56626416
Finns have about 6% Mongoloid admixture. This is fine because Mongoloids are the 2nd greatest race after aboriginal Europeans. Russian genes are polluted with large quantities of Kavkazian admixture which makes Russians inferior.
>>56626590
>finn who can't fight without gay bunkers gets assblasted when called mongoloid
See? That's why races are real
>>56600411
It's real in the sense that if you take someone with genes from West Africa and take someone with genes from Northern Europe, you will find great, demographically seperate similartieis in skin color, bone structure, intelligence, and aggression.
It's a social construct in the sense that what we define as a race isn't static thanks to, one: race mixing, and two: how genes gradually flow from region to region.
Basically, race is a social construct based on biological factors. There are absolutely differences between race.
>>56626353
well, unless you can point to fossils and say, "this is the species that diverged 700,000 years ago, and then reintegrated 35,000 years ago," you don't have much more than speculation. all the "mays," and " could bes," just introduce too much uncertainty into the work for hard science. that's what let the charlatans and sociologists into the field under the guise of "cultural" anthropology, you know.
>>56626281
There is no meaning to evidence of absence in the scientific method. Only evidence of presence is of value. Until we find fossil evidence of Homo-progenitors outside of Africa, the conclusion by the scientific method is that there are none. Otherwise you'd be speculating.
Actually, evidence of absence is an illogical thing, absence implies lack of evidence.
The aquatic ape hypothesis is pseudo-science as far as I know.
>>56626805
I'm not assblasted, I embrace my own Mongoloid admixture. I don't embrace the sandnigger admixture in Finns though but on the bright side we have less just about anyone in Europe.
>>56600754
>>56626805
>finn who can't fight without gay bunkers gets assblasted when called mongoloid.
Why are you so upset?
>>56600411
"Biologic scientists" don't say that. The fuck are you talking about?
>>56626943
Hammer's pretty based. I'll accept his work for now. :)
>>56604905
>p-please don't ask me this question...muh funding...
this
>>56600595
>Instead it's classed as different subspecies
No.
The biological differences between the various 'races' aren't even enough to classify them as different subspecies.
>>56627042
>I don't embrace the sandnigger admixture in Finns though but on the bright side we have less just about anyone in Europe
You'll have just as much as other Europe if you won't build a wall on border with them
>>56627266
Because you didn't let us zerg-rush you
>>56600411
Science is unable to prove the effects of race genes on intelligence because memes are much more important in a human's development.
>>56627748
Next time dont let us make a wall of bunkers and trenches filled with troops.
And properly upgrade your units.
>>56604905
the sad reality and the most underrated post in this thread
>>56615548
>less than 20% reproducibility rate.
Could I get a citation on that please?
>>56600411
if race is a social construct, then why can't I be black?
why does racism exist?
why are there populations that identify themselves as certain races, based on certain characteristics other than social ones?
>>56608393
>Rasheed al-Dawkins
butthurt christfag detected
>>56600411
>>Biological scientists
As can be seen, belief in race among researchers varies depending on where in the world you look. But the only place where there is anything like a consensus is China, and the consensus there is that race exists. The claim that no credible scientists believe in race is thus clearly false.
/2015/09/human-races-are-real-refuting-eleven.html
BTFO
>>The fact that these scientists are acting out of ignorance rather than intentional dishonesty doesn't let them off the hook. When scientists speak confidently on an issue related to their science the public assumes that they know what they are talking about. By not alerting the public to the fact that they don't really know what they are talking about these researches have still tricked people into believing things based on false assumptions.
/2014/12/how-and-why-scientists-lie-about-race.html
BTFO#2
>>An old morphological method for determining the appropriateness of a subspecies classification is the 75% rule, which holds that if 75% of the members of a given population can be grouped by eye then they constitute a subspecies [15]. Although there is debate about its utility today [16], it has been observed that individual humans can accurately be grouped based on race more than 75% of the time [17], which contrasts sharply with chimpanzees whose four recognized subspecies are extremely difficult to differentiate through visual inspection [18]. It has also been noted that morphological differences among humans are not only on average about equal to the distances among species within other genera of mammals (with the exception of populations generated under domestication pressures, such as breeds of dog) but are typically more strongly marked than in other animals [9].
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19695787
KNOCK OUT!
>>56600477
yes they do
>>56630087
False, cvck. You are only talking of Western brainwashed "scientists. In other parts of the world race is widely believed in.
>>56601528
The human genome project has concluded that at one time, there were less than 1000 humans left alive worldwide. We're all descendants of those 1000 people. Do different adaptations gained after that period qualify as a different race? That's more of a philosophical question
>>56630293
Common sense has concluded that at one time, there were less than 2 living things left alive worldwide. We're all descendants of that 1 thing. Do different adaptations gained after that period qualify as a different species? That's more of a philosophical question
>>56602291
This here. The "there is no such thing as race" is feel-good liberal bullshit adopted by the left to further the cultural marxist/multicultural/monocultural agenda and turn us all into one racially ambiguous homogenous disaster. Race is absolutely real.
>>56630293
>The human genome project has concluded that at one time, there were less than 1000 humans left alive worldwide.
Link.
>>56630631
You don't trust Lewontin, Boas and Gould? Their firm offered me a low-interest loan so I'm wondering.
>Liberal arts pseudo "scientists":
>There is no biological basis for races. It's just a social construct built during colonization.
FTFY
>>56606418
y-dna doesent mean shit
>>56630293
>>Do different adaptations gained after that period qualify as a different race? That's more of a philosophical question
The same question could be posed about many recognized species and subspecies.
>>56630293
This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Are you taking the piss?
>believe someone educated in their discipline for years
OR
>believe a loose association of autistic contrarian internet curmudgeons on an anime imageboard
HMMMMM, tough choice
>>56630631
Thats impossible, the indians and chinks are now impossible to racemix out of existence. When whites are gone America and Canada will be populated by Spics and Spic/Muslim hybrids thats assuming the spics even allow musilms in the USM , niggers are ancient history in spic controlled America because the spics will kill all of them, all the negros in Latin America will also be annhilated once the whitey liberals that stop the natives in those countries from doing so.
In Europe the dominant population will be muslims, negros are subhuman shit in the Quran so they most likely be enslaved or simply genocided.
Finally Africa is now colonized by China, the chinks have killed all the niggers in Africa and now its the ruler of the entire planet since it has all of Africa's resources.
>>56631436
>>Take it up the ass by "experts"
OR
>>Use your eyes and brain to figure out the truth
Tough choice indeed
>>56631436
>believe someone educated in their discipline for years
But you don't. You choose to ignore anyone who disagrees with your dogmatic belief, regardless of their credentials or qualifications.
>>56614526
Typical leftist sperg swede to say that.
Dont you have some niggers to suck off?
>>56631658
>implying you use your own brain to figure things out
First of all, you are an idiot if you think all of your opinions were formed 100% independently of other people. Even the world's most renowned economists still rely on data compiled and filtered by other people, so acting as if you came about your wholly retarded opinions "by virtue of muh own logical thinking hyuk hyuk" is just delusion.
Secondly, you don't even come close to thinking for yourself, you just spout "le kike merchant xD" memes and regurgitate edgy racist infographs and charts you downloaded off of the politics section of a gautemalan levee-building discussion group.
Kill yourself swedish cück faggot.
>>56628515
Look up replication crisis in social sciences.
Most of the articles are behind pay walls and etc. Most media hasn't reported on it because they're on the social sciences bandwagon.
If I remember correctly psychology was at 17% and sociology was at 11%.
>>56613725
You do realize that your types large extinct coinicide with racial variation?
How many Europeans have sickle cell anemia or dark skin?
/POL/ LISTEN UP THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT !
BLACK PEOPLE CAN NOT RECEIVE BLOOD FROM WHITE PEOPLE OR ASIAN PEOPLE, AND WHITE PEOPLE CAN NOT HAVE BLOOD FROM BLACK PEOPLE OR ASIAN PEOPLE. CONCERNING THE MIXED-RACE, THEY CAN ONLY HAVE A TRANSFUSION FROM THE SAME MIXED-RACED.
WHEN A LEFTIST TALK ABOUT "MUH NO RACE" TELL HIM THIS.
>>56633423
>gets BTFO by >>56632848
>doesn't respond
typical
>>56606974
Retarded huehuehueBR calling in
Actual doctor here.
I can say with 100% certainty that there is enough genetic drift between say, a pure abo as opposed to a Russian white princess.
Hair texture is different, skin color is, skull shape is, intelligence is, culture is, literally every single qualifier to be a different species is there.
Oh, but an Australian Shepherd and a border collie are absolutely distinct animals according to biology. Fucking stupid. Get real.
>>56632848
Race is something you can research for yourself. You can look observe physical and behavioral differences between people. You can also gather good info from countless other disciplines like history, linguistics, anthropology.
If you accept a theory despite the fact that it contradicts your observations and every single notion of common sense just because some "authority" is behind this theory then you are a blue pilled faggot.
What is anthropology for 500
>>56600754
>race is just skin deep
lol no
>>56634457
>If you accept a theory despite the fact that it contradicts your observations and every single notion of common sense just because some "authority" is behind this theory then you are a blue pilled faggot.
I agree. I mean, everybody knows that light is just a wave right? It's common sense.
>>56635526
How does the light being a wave or not contradict anything you observe and experience?
>>56600411
>Biologic scientists
>implying investigating race for humans isn't a taboo
>implying there is anyone willing to take the risk
It's simple really, genetics matter and certain traits are overrepresented in some populations. Of course race is a thing, it's not like humans are exempt from evolution.
>>56633390
Son of a bitch. Much appreciated.
