http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-34858350
>"People, they think 'why should we help the paedophile? We should be prosecuting them, throwing them in jail, having them castrated'. But if we offer help to paedophiles we might save children who might have been abused."
>These were the remarkable words of Paul Jones [Welshman], father of April Jones who was abducted and murdered by a paedophile in October 2012.
>"Paedophilia is a sexual orientation," Dr James Cantor says.
Yup, we shouldn't punish paedophile scum. We should be helping them because it's just a sexual orientation they can't help! Rape and murder isn't their fault!
Top kek, Wales.
>>56581477
I want off the ride
You do realize there's no reasoning with people like this, right? You have to kill them.
First of all, are they talking about getting people help before they become abusers, so that they never do touch a child in the first place?
If so, than that's fine. Its a preventative measure.
Only God knows how many people are attracted to children but never act on it.
>>56581477
Pedophilia by itself isn't a crime though.
rape and murder are, you're just being a whiny libcunt who thinks his feelings override common sense and logic.
i thought wales was just some britbong county that had a lot aof druids in it
>>56584110
I thought wales was like a big fish or smth
>>56581477
>Had a friend in high school that would always date girls 3-4 grades younger than him
>thought nothing of it
>moved on to college, shared an apartment with him
>wondered why he was always single
>was very successful with women in high school, had a lot of friends, very popular
>one day he confided in me and told me that something was wrong with him, that he just wasn't attracted to women the same age as him anymore
I'm all for gassing the actual rapists but people attracted to children just need help. Most probably won't act on it, and most are on the surface pretty normal dudes.
Sounds SJW as fuck I know but I think if we ended the stigma against people attracted to young girls then maybe they would be able to confide in others and seek ways out of it. It's a damn witch hunt right now only perpetuated by single mothers who can't properly raise and look after their children anyway.
Just because he has a PhD doesn't mean he can't also be insane.
You realize young girls weren't being raped and murdered en masse before it was illegal to fuck them right?
>>56584377
You should have stabbed him in the neck. I wouldn't be able to be in the same room with a confessed pedophile.
>>56584439
They were actually, but before basic human rights became a thing they were generally unaccounted for orphans that nobody gave a shit about.
>>56584053
>libcunt
Trust the Mexicunt to not know English.
>>56584491
>he never had a 14 year old girl beg for his cum
Get a load of this c uck
>>56584053
Well said
>>56584377
Maybe not so much end the stigma, but have a safe place for them to confide with a professional into getting help discreetly.
This is the kind of thing that will destroy your life if word gets out you are a Pedo. even if you haven't committed a crime, don't intend to, and are actually seeking help for it.
>>56584559
Lol make up more shit to defend not being able to get laid till women are all used up and just looking to settle
>>56584599
I did actually but I was fifteen at the time so it was OK.
Having sex with people much younger than you should warrant death.
>>56581477
European mandate. The original EU constitution had an age of consent 18 I think. The Lisbon treaty had this removed. Will we see kiddy fiddling removed in our life time? Probably Sharia Law comes to town.
Let's say you're engaged right now, and you have something about yourself that you haven't told her yet. But you need to tell her, because it's something deep and important about yourself. When you tell her, if your secret is that you're bisexual, she's gonna think that's OK, unless she's a religious nut. If that secret is that you're schizophrenic and those pills you take every morning are to silence the voices telling you to kill yourself, she might still stay with you, maybe. But if that secret is that you're attracted to 8-year-old girls, it's too late, she's already calling the Party Van. Yet criminalizing a thought process, a mental illness, doesn't help. Not a single addict has ever kicked the junk just because it's illegal to do drugs: if a crackhead or a methhead goes into recovery, it's because something much closer to them has spurred them on to get proper help. If we research ways to help pedophiles suppress their sick urges, then maybe we'll save more children from abuse.
>>56581477
I FUCKING CALLED IT!
I knew that after all the hubub about Transgender died down a bit, they would rationalise that paedophiles would be defended. There's no way they could defend against it after all the bullshit they have spouted to make trannies acceptable.
This left wing ideaology is so fucking rich.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if paedophiles would be accepted the same way trans and gay people are getting accepted in 50-75 years. It'll be the next agenda to push.
>>56581477
>dat gif tho
>>56584704
Lol ok, only other clueless kids should be allowed to exploit other kids their age, that makes sense
>>56584673
That sounds better, I couldn't think of a proper way to word what I wanted to say.
He wouldn't even dare tell his own parents but he confided in me because i'd known him since childhood. I could only feel pity for him, really. Being a pedo is worse than being a white in South Africa. For good reason, of course. Rapists are sick, but there are some born with these thoughts that they simply have no power over, whether they act on them or not.
>>56581477
>op being keked by a welshman confirmed
>>56584110
>>56584326
wow this is truly next level banter
>>56585024
I don't own any sheep.
>>56584786
Oh, is it shit posting time already?
> Dr Paul Fedoroff
appropriate name
There is nothing wrong with pedophilia, you can help it it's a mental sickness. What's wrong is acting on it. This guy is right, we should be helping them. He isn't advocating to not punish those that acted on it, but help those who have not so they don't act on it. If more people got help for their mental problems we'd have way less rape and murder. Let's stop only caring about punishing peoole, and care about fixing the problem beforehand.
>>56581477
>Sheep fuckers
Who cares what they think? No-one cares about their opinion.
>being gay is ok now! we encourage it!
>what about pedophilia/bestiality etc?
>silly goy, slippery slope fallacy
Please let this be the pedophile acceptance generation
>>56581477
What does a Canadian study have to do with Wales?
>>56584053
>>56584603
>Pedophilia by itself isn't a crime though.
Desert, unmarked grave.
If it's not about telling pedophilia is right but actually treating it as a sexual disorder then it's fine.
You don't put sick people in prison just for being sick do you?
It's the same for gay, that's why I love how Russia didn't ban homosexuality but they did ban homo propaganda, it's so fucking sane!
He's right though. Not all paedos are rapists and many do in fact want help but are too afraid to step forward because of the blow back of just being outed as one. It is statistically proven that countries where loli is legal have fewer reported cases of child abuse.
But castrating them would help them.
>>56590094
As long as we don't treat it like a sexual orientation..
Did you know that 30% of all paedophiles are left-handed?
>>56590219
But it probably is one.
>>56590177
Only works 75% of the time, whether mechanical or chemical.
>>56590239
So the bible was correct. Hmm....
>>56590219
I personally believe all sexual orientations are simply addiction and like addictions can be redirected to other outlets. 2D loli can be used to ween paedos off of 3D.
>>56590269
No, Scandinavia found surgical castration is 98% effective.
It's just left wing PC types and people who haven't read into it who don't want to castrate all pedos.
>>56581477
Not a heritage fag.
Family is all Welsh surname.anwyl.
Just cu ck my dragon land.up senpai
>>56590254
In the mind of Tumblr, perhaps.
>>56590328
and did you know that 20% of schizophrenics are left handed.
There is direct correlation between south paws and mental illness
>>56590254
then so is wanting to kill people after having sex with them
where do you draw the line my liberal friend?
>>56590421
If it isn't a choice, and it's a preference for a particular class of sex partner, how isn't it an orientation?
>>56581477
Not too long ago, people treated homosexuality the same as they treat paedophilia today. We all know what happened to our acceptance of homosexuality and paedophilia will soon get the same treatment. And zoophilia will be next.
>>56590463
That would be a fetish or a paraphilia. An orientation is a preference about the class of person you want to fuck. Person, age, dolphin, etc.
Necrophilia might be an orientation.
>>56590383
And people with basic humanity. Castration is just eugenicists jerking themselves off. They don't want to stop there either, they want to just fucking castrate everybody they don't like. Castration should be reserved for paedos and rapists that have legitimately committed a crime.
>>56590094
I doubt it. People lie all the time and are sly. Many necrophiliacs try getting jobs where they have access to dead bodies.
>>56590358
Redirection never cures the underlying addiction. Neither does time. Drug addicts who've spent 20 years in supermax take drugs immediately upon release with many dying due to reduced tolerance from the forced hiatus.
>>56581477
Holy shit she has the WORST NIPPLES. Absolute lowest tier nips. She tried to crop them out too. TOP LOW NIPS.
Also just lol @ how hard she is trying to act in that clip.
>>56581477
One academic =/= the entire country of meathead chavs, farmers and rich company owners.
>>56590463
Why is it liberal to accept this? Not all sexual orientations should be tolerated by society to be indulged. But we should recognize some people are simply like that. If we can help them change, castrate them so they no longer have the desire, or give them porn so they don't act on it, that's better.
>>56581477
>punish paedophile scum
>muh thoughtcrime
>>56590557
That's just paranoia. Many is not all, it's not even some.
>>56590383
Source or it didn't happen.
>>56590584
I've seen worse.
I've seen Jap nipples that are the size, shape and texture of a chocolate cookie.
>>56584786
This desu and people said the slippery slope was a fallacy
>>56583926
too late. the euro-aspies are already trying to impress americans by pretending to be red-pilled
>>56590552
What the fuck is wrong with eugenics? Do you not want humans to be as good as they can be?
> he has literally no reason to oppose castration
I agree, pedos who commit crimes and rapists should be castrated. We should also offer it to people who are afraid they will rape kids.
Castrating violent criminals would probably be pretty good for humanity. Think of the ghettoes vanishing after a couple of generations.
>>56590742
The slippery slope is a fallacy. People that lump paedos and child molesters together are literally the Daily Mail's target demographic.
>>56590657
>Shoving your cock up a 6 year old's ass is a thoughtcrime
>>56590517
homos fuck each other, they don't rape little kids and then kill them.
>>56581477
Well,
Im moving to wales
>>56590832
I don't give a fuck, it is not in my personal best interest for humans to be as best as they can be. All of human achievement has come from the selfish actions of a few geniuses and innovators. Eugenics can't even be used to create a master race, the amount of dormant problems within the human gene pool are significantly more than can just be bred out of existence. Eugenicists are just fetishists that want all humans to look some way that they personally find aesthetically pleasing.
>>56589699
Classic American education, everybody.
>>56590681
Castration is RIDICULOUSLY effective at stopping pedos and rapists. It's one of the greatest crimes of liberals that they won't use this humane way of preventing sex crime.
http://www.jaapl.org/content/33/1/16.full
> During the follow‐up period, it was noted that only 10 individuals, or 1.1 percent of the sample, had recidivated in an obviously sexual manner. In addition, there were another 10 “borderline cases” in which there were criminal acts with “sexually colored behavior.”
> The sexual recidivism rate was extremely low among the surgically castrated persons, and, by Stürup's report, 82 percent of the subjects were described as sex offenders, with 42 percent repeat offenders prior to castration.
> According to Heim and Hursch, Langelüddeke's data consisted of an archival review of criminal records of 1,036 German castrated sex offenders released into the community (the criminal records dated back to 1953). The castrated group consisted of 638 males who were castrated between 1934 and 1938, 259 castrated between 1939 and 1941, and 139 castrated between 1942 and 1944. These sex offenders were released soon after involuntary castration. The comparison group consisted of 685 released, noncastrated sex offenders.
> With respect to sexual recidivism, 84 percent (n = 870) of the 1,036 castrated sex offenders had at least two convictions (numbers ranged from two to more than eight) for sexual crimes before castration. After castration, the sexual recidivism rate for the castrated persons dropped to 2.3 percent (24 of the 1,036 castrated persons reoffended at least once after surgery).
>>56590906
Paedos don't kill and rape kids either. Gay rape is still illegal, but consenting gay relationships are allowed. I imagine that the same will happen to paedophilia. If kids are now allowed to take hormones that change their gender, they're going to be allowed to consent to sex soon.
Reminder that cartoons lovers are pedophile
>>56581477
isnt the rape and murder part kind of related to the fact that its illegal and highly shunned upon? I mean if there was a brother thingy going on there would be no need to rape\murder.
Im not saying bring on the child brothels you dumb shits
>>56590681
>>56591180
> One report from the 1952 California legislative subcommittee on sexual crimes stated that 60 individuals had undergone orchiectomy in San Diego County since 1937.25 Following surgery, there was a zero percent rate of sexual recidivism; that is, “the records reflect that not one of these individuals has committed a further sex offense” (Ref. 25, p 47).
> The limited description of the 40 offenders and their offenses restricts an assessment of their risk level prior to surgical castration. Examination of the subjects' criminal history prior to the instant sex offense revealed that 60 percent (n = 24) of the sample had no prior crimes, 27.5 percent (n = 11) had a prior sexual offense, and 12.5 percent (n = 5) had a history of nonsexual offenses.
> A summary of the sexual recidivism rates for the European and U.S studies is depicted in Table 2. The overall rate of sexual recidivism following castration is very low, ranging between 0 and 10 percent. Parenthetically, the 10 percent rate occurred in a small sample (n = 21) after both of the reoffending castrated persons were given testosterone injections. The low sexual recidivism findings remained consistent across the studies, even though they varied in methodology and had a variety of limitations.
>>56591299
You're not?
Because that seems like the direction that this thread is headed towards.
>>56591299
>they only rape and kill children because it's illegal
What the fuck, Norway?
>>56590689
Maybe it's just me, I hate nipples like the OP girl.
>nipples with the texture of a chocolate cookie
>>56591299
Unfortunately, some of them get off on the idea of hurting, raping and murdering.
That's why I support castrating them.
>>56591299
The people who rape kids would be too unbalanced to get a 12yo girlfriend anyway, so they will still need to rape one.
There are lots of cases where someone has sex with a minor he/she knew without raping him/her.
>>56581477
Gas the pedos. Age war now!
>>56581477
>>56591299
Women getting raped and killed is pretty common even though having sex with woman is legal
>>56591180
Humane except for the 3-8% of falsely convicted people. Also, your data is old as fuck. Definitions of sex crimes have become much more strict. Also, Hitler. Just for the fun of it.
>>56591569
>reality
sorry pham
>>56591619
Not really Women are allowed to make sex with them retro-actively illegal if they decide they didn't like you.
>>56591657
That's a problem already. Just demand a high standard of evidence for sex crimes. There's a reason Muslims require 4 male witnesses.
>>56583926
>Only God knows how many people are attracted to children but never act on it.
8% of men
12% of woman
source: common sense
>>56591419
yeah, big nipples are shit
>>56589720
Desert? Head on a pike.
>>56591716
well, hello nice guy
>>56591657
>Definitions of sex crimes have become much more strict
HAHAHA!
This is exactly the opposite of the truth. "Sex crimes" now include whistling at women. Only the old school studies in this area before PC came along are legit.
>>56581477
But they're right. It's just like the countries that treat drug addiction as a mental disorder instead of a crime. They treat them instead of just lock them up since throwing an addict or pedophile in jail does literally nothing to solve the problem in their head
>>56591894
>"Sex crimes" now include whistling at women.
Yes, that's why people castrated by Hitler wouldn't have racked up as many scores in the past.
>>56584377
>if we ended the stigma against people attracted to young girls
Ending the stigma would be a step towards full acceptance, not getting help.
>>56592172
Probably not. Castration removes the sex urge.
But why would we give a shit? Only actual rapes, not made up feminist crap, should count.
>>56592261
This.
Which we do not need.
I don't understand why people are trying to place this on the same level as being gay.
>>56591064
>Eugenicists are just fetishists
This is true about some.
But regarding the reast. Eugenics is mostly about preventing dysgenics(or poor illiterate criminals having a shitload of children). My ideal program would be simply remove incentives to welfare queens to breed and add a lotvof incentives for rich successful people to breed like rabbits. Along with a one child policy for , genetic diseases and other diseases that could be associated with genes like schizophrenia.
>>56590861
>The slippery slope is a fallacy. People that lump paedos and child molesters together are literally the Daily Mail's target demographic.
Are you even old enough to remember 5 years ago when trannies weren't accepted and there was still a discussion about gays?
Do you remember 10 years ago when gay marriage was off the table?
Do you remember 20 years ago when gays were a minor joke and trannies a bigger joke?
You have no idea how fast things change. You also blindly accept the idea that trannies are okay and the same as gays even though people who have been with the gay rights movement wouldn't agree.
There's no magical barrier for polygamists, dog fuckers and kiddy molestors. The big barrier to all that insanity has already been knocked down. Fuck the nuclear family, fuck marriage, embrace hedonism and oppression.
It's coming and you'll be there saying it's insane, while the rest of the world tells you to get on the right side of history.
>>56592554
The problem I have with eugenics is that they just assume all of these problems are a result of genes. The nature vs nurture debate is just not a factor to them. Illiteracy is not a genetic disorder, unless maybe you were born with no eyes or fully retarded. A good chunk of the global population are stupid, illiterate criminals because they were born into filthy, lawless communities where the only way to get ahead and therefore the favoured way to gain social standing is to be a criminal and shun education.
>>56591569
explain this shit, scotkek
>>56592756
Those things aren't the product of a slippery slope, that is why the slippery slope is a fallacy. Correlation is not causation. Those things have become more prevalent because insane liberals invaded the education system and brainwashed a generation of children who then went on to educate another generation as if it was the norm.
>>56581477
Why hasn't pol destroyed the LGBT movement by spreading the inclusion of pedos to LGBTP?
>It's just another orientation
>Stop being a bigot
>>56592499
Because fags&women can't into logic. Ever wonder why they do so well in humanities courses? It's because they're dick suckers. And grades in the humanities are all about sucking the professors metaphorical dick.
>>56592994
>Those things aren't the product of a slippery slope, that is why the slippery slope is a fallacy. Correlation is not causation.
Correlation strongly indicates causation. That's why we note it. This fucking meme is reddit tier understanding of science.
>Those things have become more prevalent because insane liberals invaded the education system and brainwashed a generation of children who then went on to educate another generation as if it was the norm.
So it's a sequence of events all tying into each other in a snowballing fashion?
One might say it's a slippery slope of consequences.
>>56593203
>Correlation strongly indicates causation
This is the least intelligent comment on /pol/ right now, good job anon. No, correlation does not indicate causation in any shape or form. Causation indicates causation. Correlation can be anything from actual symptoms of the cause to somebody on the other side of the planet fucking sneezing at the same time.
>>56593162
>bad in humanities because I argue with everyone in this liberal state
>wanted to try for children with fiancé soon
>now honestly wondering if we even should because people want this shit to be legal
>>56593327
>No, correlation does not indicate causation in any shape or form
> Correlation can be anything from actual symptoms of the cause to somebody on the other side of the planet fucking sneezing at the same time.
You just used an example of coincidence to signify correlation, indicating you don't know what the words mean.
Just as expected from someone using the reddit mantra you do not understand science.
>>56593327
Statistician here.
You're the retard. If all we can observe from experiments is correlation how do we know anything about causation?
Correlation CAN AND DOES indicate causation under controlled conditions or where we have an understanding of the mechanism.
>>56592921
Explain this shit, taffy - and preferably without hawking a pint of phlegm over me.
>>56593464
No, it actually doesn't. Correlation indicates correlation, how are you not getting this. We cannot ascertain what caused something without seeing what caused it, outside of that all we can do is assume. You cannot for example prove the big bang happened because the stars are moving in a certain direction, you can only assume. This is fucking basic anon, I don't believe for a second you are a statistician.
Top Kek Wales. I guess this want their star out of prison
He did it for teh mega lolz
>>56593498
whatever, willie
>>56593457
Historically correlation and coincidence have been the same thing more than correlation has indicated a cause.
>>56593498
you'll be covered in a pint of something else once england starts diverting it's refugees, anyway
>>56593886
>Historically correlation and coincidence have been the same thing more than correlation has indicated a cause.
Oh so you're trying to say there's a correlation between it?
It's like you tried to make an argument but you shot yourself in the face.
>>56593327
You just went full retard here. Go read karl popper or something
Next stop: Bestiality!
>>56581477
rape and murder is a choice
pedophilia is a mental illness
you shouldnt hurt people for having mental illness you should put them in a hospital
>>56590742
>>56590861
>>56592756
>not understanding the slippery slope fallacy
The slippery slope isn't a fallacy because of some bullshit about one idea encouraging other ideas, it's a fallacy because there's no reason you can't stop the sliding.
In other words, if you claim that legalizing gay marriage is bad because it will encourage transexualism, that's a fallacy. Not because you're necessarily wrong about it encouraging transexualism, but because there's no reason you can't just legalize gay marriage and then outlaw transexuality.
>"Paedophilia is a sexual orientation," Dr James Cantor says.
you can't make this shit up.
>>56593779
Okay fucker. Stop with this pathetic display of lack of knowledge of epistemology and science and lets get back on the track. This shit is a slippery slope because it is a power strugle between perverted childish cultural msrxist tumblirinas and sane people. If the sane people let go, those fucker will pull all the way to pedonecrozoohomogenderfluidphilia.
>>56594502
How the hell is it not a sexual orientation?
>>56594272
>but because there's no reason you can't just legalize gay marriage and then outlaw transexuality.
Except there is plenty reason why one goes with the other and it's all to do with the elimination of the societal norms and laws holding the degeneracy back.
Once you've knocked down those arguments as the core reason gay marriage should exist, you can't raise them again for transsexuals. You have a very weak case against polygamists, and indeed they're already pushing for it.
If perversion isn't a counter argument all you've got against pedophilia is consent. And the left is busy knocking that down when they say little kids can decide they want to be another gender.
So they can decide to have reconstructive surgery on their genitals in their teens, but not decide what to put in them?
Eventually all these contradictions catch up.
>>56594643
/thread
I've got bad news for all the people here who hate pedophiles: you're not as immune to feminist brainwashing as you think you are.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with being attracted to girls who have reached puberty. The only reason there is this visceral reaction against it in our culture is because of the decades-long cultural push by feminists to make their view mainstream. There is no fear more fundamental to women than the fear that a younger woman will take their man, and they have spread this loathing of men who date younger women, until society has actually become convinced that it is a mental illness.
As for people who are attracted to post pubescent children, clearly it's wrong, but ask yourself if it really merits the pathological disgust common in mainstream culture? Again, feminist propaganda has equated all pedophiles - who may have done nothing more than look at pornographic pictures, or sometimes not even that - to those who commit the most violent, sadistic murders of children. Because they need a bogeyman - because they need to keep the rape hysteria going in order to keep their power. It's simply an extension of the long-running feminist campaign to exaggerate both the severity and prevalence of rape. Why do you think hysteria about female pedophiles isn't a thing (pic related)?
>>56585451
kek
B-but the slippery slope isnt real?
>being gay is totally okay in modern society
>liking women who are a little younger than you because they look cuter and more female is not
shaking my head fám
>>56594643
>>56594807
>Once you've knocked down those arguments as the core reason gay marriage should exist, you can't raise them again for transsexuals.
What the fuck are you talking about? Transexuality and homosexuality are completely different conditions. That's like saying if you society doesn't put autists in psychiatric care then it can't be justified in puttying schizophrenics in psychiatric care.
>You have a very weak case against polygamists, and indeed they're already pushing for it.
How? The marriage between two people and the marriage between many different people is a different matter entirely.
>If perversion isn't a counter argument all you've got against pedophilia is consent. And the left is busy knocking that down when they say little kids can decide they want to be another gender.
>So they can decide to have reconstructive surgery on their genitals in their teens, but not decide what to put in them?
Now you're just jumping around the place. The issue of whether a child is mature enough to decide to have a sex-change operation is, for one, a completely separate matter from the legalization and acceptance of adult transexuality (if alcohol is legal for adults why isn't it legal for kids?), and two, has separate reasoning from that of the issue of whether a child can consent to sex or not. The reason why sexual reassignment for children is sometimes pushed is because hormone treatment is much more effective on a 12 year old than a 30 year old. Comparing that to reasoning for child consent to pedophilia is idiotic, as there's no benefit to having sex as a child as opposed to having it as an adult.
>have mental condition which is not your fault
>death penalty.
To go further, I bet some of your would kill people attracted to 15 year olds
>>56595527
I have seen liberals argue that children are sexual beings.
This shit is making me sick.
I'd say this is the oppisite of keked, tb.h m8. No Welshman needs the approval of some old feminist cunt. I moving to Wales. Stay mad wizards.
>>56595527
>What the fuck are you talking about? Transexuality and homosexuality are completely different conditions.
But they're not, according to our brave new world.
In fact the exact same soundbites are used. "Born that way", "it's natural", "I've always felt like this", "I can't help who I love".
Again you're seemingly too autistic to understand and see that the same forces are at work and at what speed society is changing. You see big stop gaps where there are none because in this respect you are a dinosaur, a conservative on the wrong side of history.
There's no stopping progressivism. It can't stop. If it stopped it'd die and become conservatism. Boundaries must be pushed further, it's an ideological imperative.
>How? The marriage between two people and the marriage between many different people is a different matter entirely.
Why would it be?
How is "marriage is between two people" a better argument than "marriage is between 1 woman and 1 man"?
You're just behind the times. It's 2015. Get over yourself shitlord.
> The issue of whether a child is mature enough to decide to have a sex-change operation is, for one, a completely separate matter from the legalization and acceptance of adult transexuality
No, it's connected to the same arguments, the heart of which is consent.
>Comparing that to reasoning for child consent to pedophilia is idiotic,
You really don't get it do you?
"It's 2015" is idiotic. "Wrong side of history" is idiotic. "Born that way" is idiotic.
It's working.
You can bitch about it all you want, but they're using the same tactics successfully and the rate of change is just picking up speed.
>>56596402
You realize that spouting tumblr bullshit like that as the evidence of what everyone on the social left believes in is just as stupid as the tumblrites who claim that every person on the social right is an anti-semitic biblethumper neo-fascist, right?
>>56581477
There are too many faggot cunts on this board who sympathise with paedo scum.
>'They're trying to prevent them doing bad things, they aren't all bad!'
Don't be so fucking stupid. If there are paedos out there who aren't a danger, then they don't need help. The only people who need help are the murderers and rapists, and I have no fucking sympathy for a cunt who would look at a child and think raping and murdering them is even an option. They can all fucking hang, and all you apologist cunts can fuck off with them.
>>56593779
Hey, retard. What do you call an experimental observation? A CORRELATION! Put the chemical into the test tube and it goes green. That's a correlation.
So how do we know anything at all about causality? If correlation doesn't imply causation, then what does?
Consider a cause X and a response Y. Say U is everything that could affect X or Y. Say X is smoking and Y is getting cancer. U might include genetic susceptibility to cancer.
The causal graph looks like
U
/ \
X -> Y
Suppose we only observe X and Y on many people. U can't be observed.
First, the distribution P(U, X, Y) factors as P(U)P(X|U)P(Y|X, U). The association (correlation) between Y and X is described by the conditional distribution P(Y|X).
The causal distribution is the distribution of Y we get by INTERVENING in the graph and set X to some value without altering U.
U
\
[X] -> Y
The joint distribution for this graph is P(U, X, Y) = P(Y|X) P(Y|U) Delta(X=x) where Delta is a point mass
The causal distribution of Y is Integral P(Y|X, U) P(U) over dU.
In other words
P(Y | Observe X = x) = P(Y, X)/P(X) -- CORRELATION or ASSOCIATION Eq 1
P(Y | Set X = x) = Integral P(Y|X, U) P(U) over dU -- CAUSATION Eq 2
We immediately notice:
1. They are different. Causation is not generally correlation.
2. If you can measure U, or at least a lot of elements of U, then you can estimate the integral in Eq 2. This is called ADJUSTING FOR CONFOUNDERS. This is how all of observational science works.
3. THIS IS THE BIT WHERE YOU ARE WRONG. In a randomized study, if we assign the value of X to subjects randomly, we break the arrow from U to X. In that case,
P(Y|X, U) = P(Y|X) P(Y|U) P(U) and the causal distribution is
Integral P(Y|X, U) P(U) over dU = P(Y|X) Integral P(Y, U) dU = P(Y|X)
This means that
p(y | Set X = x) = p(Y|X).
In other words CORRELATION EQUALS CAUSATION. Why? Because we forced it to. This is why we spend millions on doing randomized studies.
>>56596792
Unless your definition is very specific then you're condemning a significant, likely majority, of the male population.
I'm not saying let them fuck kids but condemning people for getting a semi over a sexually developing girl is going to decimate the population.
>>56595694
>This shit is making me sick.
My point exactly. You're not actually thinking about this, you're just experiencing disgust on an emotional level.
see>>56595188
>>56596793
>CORRELATION EQUALS CAUSATION
no that is not true.
but you are very right it is often an indication for causation.
>>56596968
Where the fuck did you learn to read English, Muhammad? Read what I said properly.
>>56597183
Moron. If you read my post, you'd realize correlation is not ALWAYS correlation, but there are specific cases where it IS the same thing - such as a randomized trial.
>>56597007
>not wanting a child, who is too young to understand sex and what they'd be consenting to, to be sexually active is bad
Sided with this board on a lot of issues in the world up until now. Apologists and enablers can burn.
>>56589720
>killing people for thought crimes
lack of potatoes getting to ya?
>>56597426
you didn't even see what I wrote, did you?
>As for people who are attracted to post pubescent children, clearly it's wrong,
You looked, but you only saw what your conditioning allows you to see.
Don't worry, I understand that accepting that you've been brainwashed takes time.
>>56581477
>>56582468
>>56584053
>>56589720
It's funny how people seem to think this kind of shit is an universal truth while it varies with time
In Ancient Greece, both homosexuality and shagging a 13 years old were acceptable
In Middle Age, shagging a 13 years old was acceptable while homosexuality was punished by death
In 18th century, shagging a 13 years old was acceptable while homosexuality was seen as a pervertion
Nowdays, homosexuality is perfectly acceptable while shagging a 13 years old makes you a monster
>>56595188
>I've got bad news for all the people here who hate pedophiles: you're not as immune to feminist brainwashing as you think you are.
You're a fucking moron. Feminists have nothing to do with hating paedophiles.
>There is absolutely nothing wrong with being attracted to girls who have reached puberty.
Yes, there is. They've not completed it. They're still children. And most paedophiles like pre-pubescent children, both male and female.
>The only reason there is this visceral reaction against it in our culture is because of the decades-long cultural push by feminists to make their view mainstream. There is no fear more fundamental to women than the fear that a younger woman will take their man, and they have spread this loathing of men who date younger women, until society has actually become convinced that it is a mental illness.
The fuck is wrong with you? There's no sexual competition from kids because the majority of sane, decent men don't find children attractive.
>As for people who are attracted to post pubescent children, clearly it's wrong, but ask yourself if it really merits the pathological disgust common in mainstream culture?
The fuck is wrong with you? It's wrong because children are innocent and vulnerable. And that's fucking disgusting. Especially those cunts who would even contemplate rape and murder. Paedophiles are rightly rejected by society, for the disgusting mentally ill freaks that they are. The fact you can't see that just shows you for one of them.
>>56598055
>In Ancient Greece, both homosexuality and shagging a 13 years old were acceptable
It was actually the same thing. Pederasty. Adult men fucking each other wasn't so acceptable.
>be Welsh
>country is a shithole, we have many flaws but at least we're not keks
>this happens
Fucking hell this is almost as bad as the English with their paki rape gangs
>>56581477
>falling for the jewish meme
there is literally no difference between a pedophile and a non pedophile
you can't pick them out of a line up
there is no pedophile test
it's literally divide and conquer
>>56594643
>And the left is busy knocking that down when they say little kids can decide they want to be another gender.
>So they can decide to have reconstructive surgery on their genitals in their teens, but not decide what to put in them?
This shit always triggered me
Kid can't make a decision for something as unconsequencial as sex, but somehow they can decide life-changing shit like surgery to switch gender?
Wtf?
>>56581477
What's the sauce on that gif?
>>56598075
>Feminists have nothing to do with hating paedophiles.
Think about how this rape culture thing has exploded in the past couple of years due to feminists. If you go back to the 80s to the beginning of the pedo hysteria, you see that it happened in much the same way.
>And most paedophiles like pre-pubescent children, both male and female.
well now you're just pulling statistics out of your arse.
>There's no sexual competition from kids because the majority of sane, decent men don't find children attractive.
Firstly, you underestimate the insecurities of the female mind. Secondly, you're delusional if you think that, historically, men have had a problem sleeping with pubescent girls.
>because children are innocent
equating sex with loss of innocence - very healthy. You know, people think that the sexual revolution that's taken place over the past fifty years has led us freeing ourselves of many of our neuroses surrounding sex, but personally I think they've simply been displaced. All the revulsion that would, prior to the 1960s, have been spread across pre-marital sex, homosexual sex, masturbation, etc, etc, has now been heaped entirely onto pedophilia.
>>56598075
>There's no sexual competition from kids because the majority of sane, decent men don't find children attractive.
which totally explains little junie getting abused by her mother for 'seducing' her father
>>56598156
>Adult men fucking each other wasn't so acceptable.
It depends on the specific time and place in ancient greece. Culture and laws varied a lot from polis to polis. Sometimes love between two warriors was lauded, but pederasty was disapproved of. Sometimes it was the other way round. Sometimes both or neither were acceptable.
>>56599395
>equating sex with loss of innocence - very healthy
I think there might be something more than cultural to that, familia. Pretty sure it's a necessary side effect of monogamy. Just how our brains work.
>>56581477
>tfw I live in Wales
>tfw I live in a Plaid Cymru stronghold
>tfw Plaid Cymru will probably make a manifesto pledge to supply pedos with underage poon
>tfw pedos from across the land flock to my area
>tfw Wales is put on the map and known internationally for its sex tourism.
>tfw before all this shit it was an idyllic land surrounded by mountains where we live in peace.
>>56599613
>Just how our brains work.
no. equating sex and loss of innocence is a particularly judeo-christian theme, mirroring Eve's fall after eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge.
>>56581477
>You're born gay, trans, gender ID etc etc!
>Pedophilia = mental illness
Wat
>>56599942
But it's been that way ever since the rise of civilization and monogamy. It's an unavoidable consequence of men being the dominant figures in society and monogamy.
>>56599395
>Think about how this rape culture thing has exploded in the past couple of years due to feminists. If you go back to the 80s to the beginning of the pedo hysteria, you see that it happened in much the same way.
Nothing about feminists.
>well now you're just pulling statistics out of your arse.
It's fucking logic, you dumb shit. The very definition of 'paedophile' means adults who are sexually attracted to pre-pubescent children, you cunt.
>Firstly, you underestimate the insecurities of the female mind. Secondly, you're delusional if you think that, historically, men have had a problem sleeping with pubescent girls.
Firstly, the fuck would you know about a female mind? You're paedo scum, you don't deal with women.
Secondly, you seem to think history means anything. It doesn't. Our society abhors sexual activity between adults and children for reasons already given. I don't give a shit what people used to do. It doesn't excuse scum like you.
>equating sex with loss of innocence - very healthy.
I'm equating sex with an adult with loss of innocence. Because that's what it is. And I noticed you ignored the word 'vulnerable', because you know I'm right. You're just too mentally ill to admit it, you sick fuck.
Can you really call being attracted to young teenagers pedophilia?
I remember when I was a teen and there was this 13 year old girl with a huge ass and DD tits. She was a fucking goddess. She was like that when she was 12 too.
>>56594067
>Oh so you're trying to say there's a correlation between it?
>It's like you tried to make an argument but you shot yourself in the face.
Hahaha this fucking gold
>>56600202
plenty of non-judeo-christian cultures had strong patriarchal traditions but a relaxed attitude to sex. The first example that springs to mind is Japan, which has always been extremely patriarchal and usually monogamous, but which shocked European visitors in the 19th century by their relaxed attitude towards sex, as well as public nudity.
When they started talking about a gay board on 4chan I told them it was no good. I said, "next thing you know they will let them get married, and then people will claim fucking children is a sexual preference and then before you know it people will be marrying animals."
They all laughed and called me homophobic and then /lgbt/ board became a thing.
And where are we now? Huh /pol/? Where are we now?
I tried to warn them.
It's only matter of time before you can't get a gf because she only fucks dogs.
>>56584377
And maybe we should all convert to Islam because it's the religion of peace.
Fucking faggot. why don't you go marry your 'friend' if you love him so much.
If homosexuality cant be chosen and is not a disease...
Why can pedophilia?
I'm not saying just because you are attracted to the too young, you should be allowed, but it is fucking double standards.
I'm so sick of it
>>56600324
>It's fucking logic, you dumb shit. The very definition of 'paedophile' means adults who are sexually attracted to pre-pubescent children
but you were also applying it to people who like pubescent girls. If you only meant pre-pubescent you're not being very consistent. Also, you said that most pedophiles were attracted to girls and boys, which is just wrong. Some are, true, but most have a specific age and gender preference.
>And I noticed you ignored the word 'vulnerable'
I ignored vulnerable because once you stop thinking of sex as a bad thing then there's no reason why someone should be vulnerable to it.
>I'm equating sex with an adult with loss of innocence
Do men develop barbs on their dicks when they turn 18? Why should sex with an adult be worse than sex with someone their own age? Or is it an emotional thing - are all men over 18 sociopaths who will use and abuse younger girls? I've got news for you: it's perfectly possible for girls to be abused by boys their own age. Abuse should be determined on a case by case basis, not on something as ridiculously reductive as someone's age.
>You're just too mentally ill to admit it, you sick fuck.
that's good, get your anger out. The deeper into your emotions we go, the closer you come to realising you've been brainwashed.
>>56584869
it absolutely does make sense. two 14 year olds who dont know what theyre doing and fuck arent being evil, they arent taking advantage of the other, theyre just being stupid. a 24 year old and a 14 year old fuck and you know that the 24 year old knows that thats wrong and that theyre taking advantage of him/her. stop with this muh pedophilia is justified because children are dumb sometimes fucking retard
>>56581477
>Dr James Cantor
>>56594235
or put them down
>>56601405
>but you were also applying it to people who like pubescent girls.
No, you did that.
>If you only meant pre-pubescent you're not being very consistent.
Show me one post where I said otherwise.
>Also, you said that most pedophiles were attracted to girls and boys, which is just wrong. Some are, true, but most have a specific age and gender preference.
Read it again, you dumb shit. I said they're attracted to children, BOTH girls and boys. You were implying paedophiles only like girls.
>I ignored vulnerable because once you stop thinking of sex as a bad thing then there's no reason why someone should be vulnerable to it.
Don't be such a cunt. Sex is clearly a big thing. But children are vulnerable to EXPLOITATION. They aren't developed enough to make decisions about shit and adults with mental perversions will take advantage of that.
>Do men develop barbs on their dicks when they turn 18? Why should sex with an adult be worse than sex with someone their own age?
For the exact same reason that a 13 year old is different to a 36 year old. How can you be so fucking dense to not see that?
>that's good, get your anger out. The deeper into your emotions we go, the closer you come to realising you've been brainwashed.
Yeah, brainwashed to realise sick cunts like you are exactly that. Go fucking end yourself.
>>56601523
Speak for yourself lol. I had some pretty dark rape fantasies when I was 14. If anything, I'm more vanilla now than I was back then and I'm still quite degenerate now.
>>56601359
Truth is both are mental diseases since they're not reproductive behaviors
Now that's if you consider pedophilia as attraction to pre-pubescent children, the taboo about post-periods teenagers is just social bullshit
>>56581477
The only good thing to come out of Wales is lostprophets, and we all know what happened with their singer....let it burn
>>56601993
im not talking about fantasies, im talking about people with an intention to hurt others.
>>56601405
>Why should sex with an adult be worse than sex with someone their own age?
Idk why it should. All I know is that it is. Girls with older partners are more likely to have sex at an earlier age, and the earlier sexual activity is initiated, the higher the risk of truancy, drug abuse STDs, mental illness, unwanted pregnancy, etc.
I mean, I'm pretty sure we all recognize the problem with sluts, and the fact is, most girls who are fucking adults during their adolescence are sluts and well on their way to becoming full blown sacks of shit. All of my female classmates who dated much older guys, particularly those who weren't even school age, turned out to be trainwrecks.
>>56602249
>>56601523
Sorry but you're a fucking retard if you think 14 years old are dumbfucks who arent able to determine what they want or not
Are you 40 or something to be so unable to remember how you were as a teen?
