Explain to me why I shouldn't vote for my man Bernie? Have fun rooting for your lil mini hitler Trump. God sometimes I wish I didn't know about this place you all disgust me.
>>56517625
Wait, so barney sandals plans on stopping his communist shit after 8 years?
Free college so everybody can get their shitty women's studies degree?
BUILD
WALL
Because illegals are using taxpayer money. So are the poor. They should all be kicked out.
>>56517625
>10 billion
yeah that's like 1% of the actual cost
>>56517625
A wall is far more important than free SJW classes.
>>56517625
>1.25 billion a year will makes college and healthcare free
If he could actually make this magic work, I'd vote for him too.
But it won't work because it's fucking magic nonsense.
>>56517625
I feel like Sanders is too submissive and meek to be a world leader.
>>56517625
Mexico will pay
Illegals cost us more each year any way
70% of Mexican legals on welfare anyway
Illegals get free healthcare and more from all sorts of clinics around here.
>>56517741
You got BTFO
>>56517625
10 billion dollars for Healthcare and tuition?
That's going to be shitty Healthcare and tuition.
Why should people care if they already have a degree.
>10 billion
Only off by about three zeros, but I guess it's all the same to a socialist when it's someone else's money.
>>56517625
So stop making b8 threads you fucking moron.
>less than 1b a year will pay for college, healthcare and moar
>>56517625
>implying there's anything wrong with spending $30 billion of Mexico's money
What a faggot
>>56517625
All great civilizations have built monuments to commemorate their history and culture. Free college does nothing but indoctrinate the youth further into their cultural Marxist cult while a wall will save us billions every year from the drain of illegal immigration and it will also become a hot spot for tourists to visit generating billions in revenue.
Redpill me on healthcare and college tuition in America. Both healthcare and college are free here and I couldn't imagine having to pay for them. Is it true that most students get huge debts that they can't pay off for many years?
>>56517625
If your degree can pay back your debts, you shouldn't worry about tuition
Reported for off topic. Op should fuck off to politically correct board.
>>56517625
>numbers & stats.
You sure you wanna do this again?
>>56517625
>literally thinks "free" college and healthcare and "etc." for all of America for 8 years will cost the price of one of your low budget military projects.
This is a satire post right? I can't tell with leftists.
>>56517735
Liberals cant grasp the concept of large numbers.
Billion, trillion, what's the diff yo?
This is all beside the fact that Trump has a plan to make Mexico pay for it.
>>56517733
you dont even let your women be themselves
wtf do you know about civilisation kek
>>56517625
You shouldn't vote for either of them because neither of their plans will work.
>>56517625
A wall is for life, not just 10 years.
Captcha is construction vehicles.
>>56517625
Bernie Sanders wants to spend 18 trillion for healthcare that will be abused and studies that will not pay back into the treasury.
>>56517625
Stop trying to bait us.
>>56517927
How will Trump force them anyway? Threaten to invade Mexico? Genuinly curious
>>56517625
After 8 years of Bernie we'd have tens of thousands new Liberal Arts graduates still bitching they can't find a job. ("There's just so many people applying for every open position!")
After 8 years of Trump we'd still have a wall you can see from space, and would be saving billions in costs associated with illegal immigration.
Trump: Unstumped.
>>56517955
Wtf r you talking about
>10,000,000,000
Lets do a little math, google says there are currently 12~ million college students.
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=how+many+people+are+in+college+in+america
Now 10,000,000,000/12,000,000=833.33333
Now this is suppose be over 8 years so 833.3333/8=104 ish. So we could be going to college for $104 a year. Assuming alot of people wont be joining college since its free.
>>56517625
>Bernie says it costs $10 billion
>it will actually cost $100 billion
>Leftist lies about Trump's wall costing $30 billion
>Trump will build it for $4 billion and Mexico will pay for it
>>56517625
Good, leave and don't come back you fucking worthless shit.
You won't be missed.
>degrees are worthless, but hey lets spend billions creating another housing bubble but with students!
>lmao u wanna build a wall that actually will benefit this nation since it'll be harder for companies to hire dirty labor thus lowering the minimum wage and stopping rampant and unaccountable crime? what a fuckin racist xD!
>>56517625
The costs for 8 years of free shit vs the costs for something that could last centuries...
>>56517625
>Bernie wants to spend 10b in tax money for healthcare and tuition
>free
They just don't see the contradiction do they.
8 billion over 10 years?
What the hell, is he talking about how much every individual needs to pay?
>>56517895
>free
>>56517927
why the fuck would mexico pay for it. Can you amerifats explain something properly?
Trump is at this point saying wahtever the fuck the far right crowd wants to hear.
You just don't get that.
"Im gonna make america great again"
He's talking complete shit. No actual plan. Just vague words and worst of all he thinks he can fool everybody into believing it.
>>56518004
No one knows. It's just something Trump supporters say so they can try to justify "muh wallz".
To any sane person it just sounds stupid and unrealistic. "Yeah, I'm going to build a barrier against your dangerous disgusting country, and YOU'RE going to pay for it".
>>56517895
Yup. Student loans are subsidized but all that's done is make schools more comfortable with charging more. And the quality is steadily declining. Most people end school at least 3 years salaries in debt..
>>56518040
based mudslimes attempting to talk about western civilisation, BTFO
>>56517625
This Bernie?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bb6eQpHREGg
>>56517625
>>56517625
>free collage
>instead of THE WALL
get your priorities str8 m8
>>56518139
They will build that wall if he threatens economic sanctions, because their monetary losses would be even bigger then.
Also
>implying "I'm gonna make stuff free for you" isn't the same level of planless vague bullshit
>>56518139
>why the fuck would mexico pay for it.
because they either pay up or you mega-tax their products coming into the US and they go bankrupt
very simple
>>56518004
Threaten trade deals. Mexico needs us more than we need Mexico.
>>56517625
you will never get to vote for him because he will not be nominated. simple as that.
>>56517625
Are you retarded OP? That's written right in that screenshot of yours.
>Bernie
>Wants ME to spend MY money so that some other people get something
>Trump
>Wants ME to spend MY money on MY protection
Isn't the choice clear enough?
>>56517625
>Explain to me why I shouldn't vote for my man Bernie?
Because he hasn't explained exactly how he is going to pay for it.
>>56518121
You know what I mean.
>>56518004
Take away the money we give them so they can try to pretend to be a first wod country, then spend it on a wall.
>>56518171
read his website m8
USA already sends a shitton of money to Mexico as "help"
>>56518139
>refuse to actually listen
>refuse to visit his site
>just cry about it endlessly and scream bullshit
You're a moron.
I'm glad you're across the pond over there dying like a bitch instead of over here actually voting.
>>56518004
>>56518139
>>56518171
It's outlined in his policies, dweebs.
He plans on raising visa taxes to astronomical highs, as well as seizing remittance payments from illegals back to their families in Mexico. Remittance payments alone constitute some 2% of Mexico's GDP. 2% will be sorely missed.
How do you not know this by now?
>>56517749
This
>>56518045
>100 billion
Look at
>>56518043
That would give us 1040$ tuition which might be reasonable if we can somehow deflate that tuition costs. but its not even including healthcare.
>>56517625
Didn't he get the memo that Mexico is paying for the wall?
numales ffs
>>56518209
Do you not know what Singapore is?
how much money will be saved once the illegals are kept out?
>>56518261
i dont think Sanders is a good alternative.
He's just a super nice morally sound guy.
>>56518296
Just because you promise to force a country to do it through sanctions does not mean it will happen. It's a cheap tactic and not a guaranteed outcome.
>>56517625
Degrees are too saturated and need to be harder to earn now.
>>56517625
>mini Hitler
>Trump is taller than hitler
Do you not know how height works?
>>56517625
You can't spend money for something that's free.
>your average white liberal
>>56518415
muslim as fuck
>>56518109
You're shit
>>56517625
$10 billion over 8 years? HAHAHHA.
Just the typical bullshit from liberals, what a shock.
>>56518387
>if we can somehow deflate that tuition cost
This is the only thing that should be focused on. Costs are already high because of guaranteed government income from title 3 and 9 programs. "Free" education would be a colossal giveaway to the people who run the institutions, at the taxpayer's expense.
>>56517625
Just throwing money down the drain tbhfam.
We need to fix niggers first and then the education system to be more competive and then we can spend money like this and actually get something out of it.
>>56518423
Fuck the money.
It will save lives.
This is being done for the compassion and love of our country and its people, not because mexico or anything else.
a wall wouldn't cost that much.
>>56517927
>This is all beside the fact that Trump has a plan to make Mexico pay for it.
>There's no way we can afford free college for everyone! Haha, you are so brainwashed, believing in that fairy tale!
>unironically believes mexico will pay to build a wall along the border
i have no words for this level of delusional stupidiity
Siphon money from Mexican US foreign aid. Boom, wall paid for.
>>56517625
they will keep rising the spending and turn education into joke by letting everyone in because
>muh money fo em programz n shi
for free education to work you need whites only
it is naive to think bernie is nothing else but filthy kike
he was shit before, he is shit now
College degrees are so common now that they are about as useless as a high school degree. Jobs are already limited and spics who are in this country illegally keep taking more of them every single day.
Nobody who wants to go to college was ever turned away. There are already thousands of scholarships for the underprivileged. Even if you come from a rich family, you can still get a full ride to a good school if you work hard enough.
>>56517625
>Explain to me why I shouldn't vote for my man Bernie?
What do you think will happen if taxes for the 1% are raised substantially?
>>56518321
You can vote for anyone you want retard.
>8 years
>he does not only think he has a chance of winning but also thinks he can win a second time
>>56517749
servery understated
>>56518037
/thread
>>56518565
I love that quote :-) so true. Im putting this up in my office
>>56518565
>unironically believes mexico will pay to build a wall along the border
they have no choice
the US can simply use the aid money they usuallly send to Mexico and tax the fuck out of their products
they have no choice in the matter
Why buy a cheeseburger for $1.50 when I'll give you a 3 story mansion for $1.25?
oh right, because thats super fucking bullshit
From Trump's website -
"Mexico must pay for the wall and, until they do, the United States will, among other things: impound all remittance payments derived from illegal wages; increase fees on all temporary visas issued to Mexican CEOs and diplomats (and if necessary cancel them); increase fees on all border crossing cards – of which we issue about 1 million to Mexican nationals each year (a major source of visa overstays); increase fees on all NAFTA worker visas from Mexico (another major source of overstays); and increase fees at ports of entry to the United States from Mexico [Tariffs and foreign aid cuts are also options]. We will not be taken advantage of anymore."
"Planned expenditure for 2015/16 is £116.574bn"
That is for the UK NHS alone, and we are talking about a far smaller country than America.
Whoever said 10 billion is fucking dumb.
http://www.nhsconfed.org/resources/key-statistics-on-the-nhs
>>56517625
he won't spend anything, we will
>>56517625
>Spend 10 billion to completely devalue college degrees and turn education essentially into a government-controlled operation
or
>Create a wall to stop giving American jobs to non-citizens
Gee I don't know which one's better
>>56518565
see
>>56518357
You're the moron here.
Even the picture and quote from a supposed intellectual authority is nothing more than an adhom, pathetic.
>>56517625
wow 10 billion for 8 years, this guy must be magic
>>56517895
what flag is this
>>56518732
When he says $10B, surely he means in discounts and the poorest?
>>56517998
kek
post full
>>56517625
>10 billion
Try 18 trillion
>>56518728
>any of that
>possible
I fucking hate Trump
>>56518565
Conservatives in 1866 had different views than modern conservatives, but go on and (mis)quote JS Mill like he's on your side.
>>56517625
Trump should make Mexico pay for free college. See who these liberals will vote for then.
>>56517749
lol that's literally 101 dollars for each college student.
You can never tell if these people are dumb shills from Reddit or trolls.
>>56518139
Maybe if you spent less time prepping bulls and more time reading you would have figured it out by now, you yellow-toothed kek.
Both ideas are kind of silly, honestly. Senpai.
>>56518777
Estonia...
Typical conservatard doesn't know geography... Ha! Can't wait to show this to my colleagues at the sociology department
>>56517625
10 billion over 8 years? Try 8 month morelikely.
>>56517625
Free healthcare? Bernie would wind up spending a fuckload more than 8 billion. Bernie would wind up spending a fuckload more than 30 billion. In a single year. Especially with illegals using that "free" healthcare.
>>56518171
>no one knows
Gid gud scrub educate yourself. Its your country we are talking about
>>56518004
Mexico has some bills to pay to the US, something with trade. If US cuts them off they are fucked.
>>56517625
>it's going to cost $10 billion to give everyone free college and healthcare for 8 years
Holy fuck liberals are retarded. Either way the wall is more important than the gibsmedats. The wall is priceless.
>>56518848
People on twitter are definitely reddit normies who buy into Sanders shit. Go visit r/Politics and see it's not just hyperbole.
>>56518823
kek
>>56518878
>sociology department
You've gone too far. My b8 detectors went off.
>>56517625
Trump won't pay for wall.
>>56518860
u wot yank
>>56518814
Tell me why the executive branch, who has the power to control such fees and programs, can't do that.
enlighten us
>>56518932
I'm an adjunct professor at a northeastern university...not saying anything else
http://www.ojjpac.org/memorial.asp
Every year we let illegals flood across here innocent civilians are robbed of their lives and their families are utterly destroyed.
Fuck Bernie Sanders.
>>56518930
& all we get is dave cameron and jeremy corbyn.
Our politics is boring and they spend all their time talking about actual policy and not trying to fool the masses into believing they can build a wall.
>8 billion
>for free college and healthcare for all
HAHAHAHAYHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The college part alone is at least 70 billion at a low estimate. PER YEAR
And the cost of the healthcare part would be in the trillions.
>>56518994
kek
>>56517827
Because he also want to forgive all outstanding student loan debt. So instead of my parents saving and paying for my school like responsible people, I should just have taken out loans.
>a wall that will last 50+ years
>education for 8 years only
One seems like a better deal
>>56519012
With a slight payroll tax across the board and a tax on wall street speculation, we'd actually be revenue neutral and Bernie would balance the budget by taxing the 1% who aren't paying their fair share.
>>56519040
I'll remember to have my fun laughing at you all next time I hear about someone getting killed or falling victim to some random 'asian rape gang'.
'kek' indeed.
>>56518426
>>>56518261
> Super nice
They're all nice until they get your cash, this literally interacting with Jews 101.
> Morally sound
TOP. FUCKING. KEK.
>>56518912
I've got a friend who likes to believe he's a 1980s era punk and supports Bernie with all his strength. Amusingly, he's can't defend Bernie in argument because he doesn't know any of the technicalities involved in Bernie's plans. He seems to believe the 1% are a never ending free money supply.
>>56518783
Is that all this is? A tiny subsidy for the poorest Americans?
I really don't believe 10 billion could ever be sustainable, are middle class Americans going to be happy when their black neighbor gets a heart transplant for free, when have to go bankrupt to pay the $800,000?
10 billion is weak, but I think Bernie Sanders knows this, as soon as people get used to the idea of free healthcare, everyone is going to want a piece of it.
Is Trump gonna round up and deport the existing illegal immigrants too?
If so, then the savings would be massive. Less burden on social services, and demand for all existing resources would go down drastically. Therefore lower costs of living AND a job market thats less saturated and exploitative.
I don't think he'll do it, but if he did, that would completely blow away anything Sanders could possibly do to restore middle-class prosperity.
What's with all the Berniefag baiters right now?Keep it in one thread only.
>>56519099
Watch this you massive retard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zmji36q8E4o
>>56518209
>The waxing crescent moon "represents a young nation on the ascendant". The five stars "stand for the nation's ideals of democracy, peace, progress, justice and equality"
>>56519103
coming to /pol/ for sympathy
>>56517625
Building a wall creates jobs
Flooding the market with degrees devalues jobs and raises unemployment and underemployment.
>>56519379
It's not a matter of articulating his viewpoints well enough.
The math simply doesn't work.
>>56517625
Try 100 billion in less than a year for free college and medical insurance 7 billion for the entire wall.
I'm still voting Sanders, he's the most sane of the candidates.
Trump is cool, but he's rich and stupid. He would be a joke of a leader.
You're not a millionaire, most likely if you live in America you're broke as fuck and would benefit way more from Sanders being president.
Does anyone else also hate how people just assume presidents will be in power for 8 years now? Everyone seems to forget that 4 years is a term length.
>>56519132
We know what he's really going to do. Exact same as obama.
Same with trump. This is what democracy really is. A shadow player in the background controlling the game and throwing curveballs and continuing to do the same shit over and over. How peaceful did obama appear to everyone when he started? Now look at his warmongering face.
Trump is no different. In fact trump takes pride in this.
>>56519192
What else could 10 billion mean for a country as fat as america. 10 billion is what a few hollywood films cost.
>>56519247
So beautiful its bringing tear to my eyes
>>56519516
wall vs college bills?
How is this a comparison lol
His plan is 15 trillion for health care lol
>>56519531
Just like how all the blacks benefited from electing Obama.
You're a moron if you think government is capable of changing the lives of everyone, and for the better to boot.
>>56519099
Trump literally wants to do the same thing, except he doesnt want to spend the funds raised on stupid shit.
With no taxes on the poor, they will be able to put money towards funding college.
If you want to solve the cost problems of college, look towards the bloated administration and prestige wars, party schools, and fund raising corporate structure that the colleges have adopted. There lies the problem. I mean, some of the figures are that there are upwards of 10 administration staff per educational staff. Let me go over those figures again because they can be quite baffling.
10 TEN ten admin staff per EDUCATIONAL staff. That means for every professor, adjunct, TA, etc. there are 10 paper pushers or board members or whatever.
It shouldnt cost 250K over four years to give a top student a top of the line education. Watch 'The Ivory Tower', that movie goes into some of the problems facing the education system today.
More taxes would only put a dent in the education price problem and at the same time make more problems for those who are paying the taxes.
>>56517757
That number cant be rigt. So many self identify as white.
>>56519587
he plans to pay for healthcare using 1 and a half times the total gdp of the country.
Vote for sanders and you will get your bank-breaking socialist utopia and mexico guaranteed will build a wall to keep the economic migrants out.
>>56517625
just because Bernie wants to spend this much doesnt mean it will cost this much.
if it does please tell us how because we cant get it to work and we are already paying a multitude of that.
each year.
>>56519562
>obama
>warmonger
obama is a pussy you fucking retard.
>>56517895
Health care is provided by your employer for most people and college education can be payed off easily. The trick is to not get a shitty degree and get 100,000 in debt because you wanted to get a degree in women studies
>>56519556
We're at war anon. Don't you want our homeland to be safe?
>>56517895
There are plenty of opportunities for scholarships and financial aid. A fair number of people get into college on a full ride (or partial) just by being good at sports. A buddy of mine got most of his college for free just because he's ridiculously smart. There's plenty of other opportunities too. My parents pre-paid my tuition like 20 years ago at the current rate at the time. So my tuition costs right now are much lower than they should be.
>>56518178
Also, one of the main reasons people end up "three years salaries in debt" is because they got degrees and jobs that don't pay well without taking advantage of community colleges.
My college costs ~$20k per year (current rate for tuition, room&board, fees). Four years of that is ~$80k. I'm going into IT, and I'll likely be making anywhere from $60k-$80k starting salary. The salary for jobs in my field can easily reach six figures within 10 years through raises. Between my high school part-time job and my internships these past two summers I've made about $20k, and I've been very smart with my money.
It's not as bad as people make it out to be, provided you're being smart about what you're studying and what you want to do. Obviously, if you go to college for a women's studies degree or a sociology degree you won't make very much money.
Why are people on board with turning mexico into an even bigger shithole? Couldn't this shit cripple them even more and start harboring anti American behavior right next to us?
Legitimately curious, I've always thought it would be smarter to make the shitty nation full of crazy people right below us better and smarter than worse and worse.
>>56517625
and once the wall is built we can do the college thing, the wall is a one time expense and is important for safety, a wall and college are not mutually exclusive ty come again
>>56517895
>Redpill
Educate*
Dumbass.
>>56519813
why do you give a shit about mexico, cück?
>>56517625
Why do these retards not realize the wall would be built with aid money to Mexico
>>56519531
Maybe in the short term, but 10 years down the line, when the US goes broke because it tried to give European level entitlements while already $17 trillion in debt, meanwhile reducing GDP growth to 0 by taxing the only shit keeping the country afloat, you are really, really going to wish you hadn't voted for Sanders.
>>56518426
>super nice morally sound
Holy fuck you must like it in the ass. How embarrassing.
>>56518768
i'm aware of what is "plan" is, that doesnt make it any more hilariously stupid and naive.
god you trumpfags are a lost cause.
>>56517625
>all the dumb newfags and generally retarded people replying to this thread
You realize nobody on pol seriously supports Bernie, right? These posts are all b8 you fucking idiots
>>56519717
you think its down to one person?
>10 billion
That's like 5 surgeries in burgerland
>>56519984
any less**
>>56519516
>7 billion for the entire wall.
Now you know that's bullshit. Have you ever dealt with government contractors?
What'll happen is you get a proven company who can build the wall for 15 billion. Sounds ridiculous, but they could do it guaranteed. Some other company says they can do it for only 7 billion.
So the gov spends the 7 billion. 2 years later, there's no wall. Company says that they're almost done with planning, but they found a way to save money so the wall will only take 2 billion to build. But they need an extra 1 billion on top to finish up their planning.
So now you're at 10 billion. Year later, the company says something happened with their supply line. They need to buy from another supplier. Also, cost of labor's gone up, so it'll be more than they expected. You pay them 5 billion and they'll get started immediately.
2 more years later, they're digging out the border and laying the foundation. Construction abruptly halts since they ran into unexpected costs and realized that the government wanted a 2000 mile wall, and not 2000 meters. They realize it'll be another 10 billion to finish that work.
6 years later, wall is done. But it's falling apart. The company used some proprietary equipment to build it, so they demand 2 billion/year to maintain it.
Another company comes along and says yeah, we can fix it up for only 1 billion/year.
2 years later, the wall's completely crumbled.
Don't expect this wall to cost any less than 50 billion. Remember that the government thought the Iraq war would only be $60 billion.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:QOdeJgCBvRcJ:www.businessinsider.com/iraq-costs-way-higher-than-estimated-2013-3+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
>>56519960
especially while watching obama fuck you all in the ass :)
>>56517625
As much as I think education should be attainable, you know probably 70-90% of the people going into college are not "college material" and are getting degrees that are essentially signatory of being a brainwashed kekold.
If you don't believe me you haven't been here long enough, nothing says "death to America" quite as succinctly as a generation of entitled women and femboys with liberal arts "degrees" who will, like lemmings, walk wherever their liberal masters tells them is the politically correct direction.
These people have no regard, understanding, or interest in actual cultural affairs, geopolitics, or the integrity of their nation. They will sell themselves and their country to the biggest faggot lovers and continue to denounce their detractors are racists and bigots even after they are being literally raped by Muslim "refugees".
The coalition forming against Islam has the power to wipe out their entire countries without putting a foot on the ground, but we would be much better off having a big draft and instilling some fucking integrity and national pride back in our country.
Again, my soul says we need the Bernster, but my head knows he would continue the suicidal trajectory of the West in favor of liberals being able to feel morally superior to everyone while they suck each others dicks and shove dildos up their ass. This country belongs to the people who build it and pay taxes, and those people are overwhelmingly white conservatives.
>>56518040
What flag is that?
>>56520046
This. America's real problem is obesity.
As long as our population is this fat and unhealthy, free healthcare will NEVER be viable.
>>56519813
Pharmaceutical and alcohol tobacco industries are responsible for that. Take away the cartel cash crops and all the corruption in their govt loses the vast majority of their funding.
>yfw Bernie wins and Mexico has to build a wall to keep all the United Socialist States immigrants out
people with college degrees can barely find work as it is
education is great but more jobs is what the ultimate goal is
and for that to become a reality,
a wall must be implemented first
>>56517733
Actually the illegals I work with use fake ss # to get the job, they get a paycheck with taxes taken out so nobody cares about the forgery.
>>56517625
>give every idiot a free ride into college
>Degree becomes worthless because the people who have them are braindead morons
>this will somehow make our country better
We're supposed to put our best on even higher ground, not put dirt up a category to coal
>>56520055
This. It will be the fuckers that take 4 months to pave a mile of road, just on a grander scale.
One dude in a hole, 5 people standing around the hole watching it be dug, and some dudes fat daughter leaning against a STOP/SLOW sign.
>>56519556
A lot of the people on /pol/ weren't even alive the last time that happened.
>>56520209
>Bernie wins
>free wall
>free college
>free healthcare
>mexicans all flee
>>56517625
Trump said 3 billion, not 30. These fucking idiots...
>>56517965
>>56520300
And the free healthcare and etc Bernie promised would cost 18 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>T<<<<<<<<<<<rillion, not billion like that guy posted.
>>56517625
Free college is the stupidest fucking idea a presidential candidate has ever had. Does he not realize that giving away degrees will do nothing but lower the value of said degrees as well as already existing ones? This is almost dumber than the time Germany tried to solve their debt problem by printing more money.
>>56517955
He is the literal opposite of a ćuck and you are a braindead simpleton.
>>56517625
you forgot that the wall has to be maintained and its not generating any income.
Students if they are not total fuck ups and study shit like gender crap will generate much more income. The 30 bazillion are wast from trump Bernie invests in the future.
So trump is depriving your personal jet pack transport of the future.
>>56518238
>This Bernie
Literally the best thing I have seen today.
>>56520434
Also, tons of people drop out of college.
Think, how many more people would drop out if they weren't spending their own or their parents money for their degree?
>>56517749
(regardless of my opinion)
Wouldn't that just increase the overall cost even more?
>>56520522
>implying they cant charge $50 a head for people to climb to the top of the wall and piss on mexico
>>56520248
You white niggers are finally catching on.
>>56518732
Not to mention the pound is 1.50 dollars.
>>56519984
>>56520048
Fucking how? It seems perfectly valid. What makes the idea of "Literally taking the money they send over the border" naive? Do you think we won't be able to collect it somehow? Do you think it won't be enough? Give an actual reason, faggot.
>>56520521
enjoy obamas dick in your mouth for the next 5 years
>>56517733
Singapore dubs speak the truth.
>read this thread
>realize there's people who have genuinely fallen for the trump meme
Either that or that's some next level of counter-anti-counter-trolling.
>>56518846
How do you figure?
>>56518732
Far smaller and far healthier.
>>56517625
Victor Orban showed that walls work and everyone in Europe still threatened by immigration is envious of Hungary.
Bernie Sanders WANTS to spend 10 billion in 8 years. That doesn't mean he can do it. His promises are unachievable.
"Question:
How much do colleges and universities spend on students?
Response:
In academic year 2012–13, postsecondary institutions spent $499 billion (in current dollars). Total expenses were $311 billion at public institutions"
http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=98
That's just ONE year and the cost is only rising!
Bernie Sanders thinks he can spend AT MINIMUM TWO HUNDRED AND FORTY TIMES less money for college if he was the president.
Have you EVER had a more senile economically dangerous candidate? His promises are unachievable by factor of several hundred!
>>56519984
>"it's dumb because I dont agree"
It'll work fabulously and you're a dolt.
>>56518878
>doesn't know geography
It's literally something you can google in a second, what's the point of learning something like that unless it's part of one's profession?
>>56520248
This. It's a small price to pay but it gets them access to just about every job with protections and a guarantee of minimum wage.
Companies love mexicans too, because they know the fuckers will work and not bitch.
>>56520896
Bernie didn't say 10 billion. Some dumb bitch in a tweet did.
>>56517625
Both of those numbers are blatant lies pulled out of his ass.
The real cost of university over 10 years would be around $5,000,000,000,000 based on total annual university spending currently being about $500,000,000,000 per year. Current student debt adds another $1,000,000,000,000 to this number if the government is to absorb the cost. This assumes that the government doesn't gut professor salaries (they wouldn't) and demand for university doesn't suddenly increase (it might). If demand goes up, so does the cost.
The real cost of finishing the border fence would be around $4,000,000,000 depending on how inefficient the government is about it. We already know how much it costs to build a border fence because DHS already built over 600 miles. The costs were roughly the same per mile as the Israel-Egypt border fence. There's no reason to believe the costs would suddenly skyrocket by 700%.
As such, 10 years of free university is roughly 1500 times more expensive than finishing the border fence.
>>56520981
Oh. Well, show her the site.
>>56518139
He plans on taking it from the financial aid we give to mexico. Yes we give mexico money and they give us their drudges.
>>56517625
The difference is that mexicans will pay for the wall while US pays for the college, for studies that include history/arts/social studies/feminism. I don't have problem with free producing degrees but making everyone pay for 100k slutty teenagers to take feminism degree for 8 years and never work outside food industry afterwards might not be good idea
>>56518565
Other said he will transfer cost to Mexico via using their health aid , taxes or other means . Also college ( room , books and food ) was able to be paid for by working 20-25 hours a week back like 50 years ago. But now it's almost a life debt , so unless you change the schools it's going to be raised taxes or colleges will close down.
>free college
>everyone majors in liberal arts
>nothing gets produced
>economy crashes
>everyone dies
>build wall
>less illegals
>less crime
>less government hand outs
>greater incentive to work
>more produced
>higher standard of living
It's all about the standard of living. I can put up with anything if I have a good standard of living.
DUDE
>>56520896
>>56521061
Darn, I think I gave the wrong link. Here's the right one:
http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=75
>>56521061
Bernie's plans will add 18 trillion dollars in debt to the US.
would legalising drugs help with the mexico problem?
would it be better if mexicans were white?
>>56521198
Yep, and I heard he voted for raising the debt ceiling every single time.
Every single thing that guy does is all about raising the debt. What the hell is he up to?
>>56517625
>10 billion
>free college and healthcare
>pay off large sums of debt to prevent education bubble
How the fuck does he plan to do all this shit with only 10 billion? That's a drop in the bucket. If anything his half masure will only make shit worse.
>>56520553
Yes Netherlands it would. Liberals don't understand this.
Also if everyone goes to college, then a college degree is worthless.
Literally Economics 101
>>56519726
This
A lot of people go to college because they thing it's what they're supposed to do, and end up graduating with an oversaturated degree like psychology.
I most cases, college is the U.S. is like Highschool v2.0
>>56517895
The only difference is when it's "free' you still acquire a huge debt that you can't pay off for many years. The difference is these repayments are made by incurring higher taxation for life.
In America it's the individual taking on the debt and having to pay it back.
They need to be bringing the cost of college down so you don't fall into crippling debt. Not making it free for everyone.
>>56521365
>if everyone learns how to read and write
>learning how to read and write will be worthless
I'd say that would still give you the edge over other countries.
Mexico is paying for the wall so it's free.
>>56517625
>10 billion spent on women studies, art and poetry degrees
Hope it's worth it when you and your family are working in sweatshops to make cheap tat for the Chinese on the otherside of this century.
>>56520055
You don't think Trump would personally take on managing the project?
this kind of thing is completely up his alley and something he regularly finishes early and under budget. I'm sure he'd make it happen.
>>56517625
10 bilion of white US tax payer money for nigger students / 30 bilion of mexcrement money to build a wall to protect the white man.
>pay 1000 euros each year for college
>free healthcare
>finishing masters that gives me a well paid job anywhere in the world due to high demand
Despite being in crisis, it's actually a good feeling.
Spending money on degrees in diversity studies won't make America better.
>>56518750
The feel no QT anime senorita to make a good Catholic Family with.
Why even live.
>>56521438
>"they"
There's no secret as to why college is more expensive now. Colleges spend BIG dollars on advertising and "campus lifestyle". Many, many schools spend more on events, having a brand new wellness center, full gym, etc etc than on the education portion.
When college stopped being an education and started being an "experience/lifestyle" is when the problem started. The only thing that will solve that is a generational attitude shift which isn't going to happen.
>10 billion over 8 years is enough for free healthcare and college
>800+ retweets
the liberal brain is truly fascinating
>>56521611
>family
dumb frogposting normie
>>56521462
Reading and writing are basic skills that pretty much everyone needs in order to be a functioning member of western society. When it comes to college education is directed towards a specific field of study. Second we all know supply and demand has a huge effect on whether or not your degree is worth jack shit so unless you plan on outsourcing all of your work to other countries where the professional has available slots you are kind of fucked. Also outsourcing like this would kind of defeat the point. Why put time and effort into educating and training your citizens when the first thing you are going to do is send them to another country?
>>56521624
I think that if Trump would try personally managing it, he'd find a way to skim some money off the funding for himself.
You don't become a billionaire by saving people money.
>>56517625
So OP is saying that changing college for free is like a 1 time deal? gee, I'm surprised how those American liberals can look at themselves and feel good about it. Or just wonder why the world isn't flat.
>>56521462
Except instead of learning to read and write they are learning about safe spaces and how the founding fathers are scum.
>>56521713
>le evil rich white republican man
I hope you get disemboweled somehow.
>>56521640
>thanks for answering our job posting anon, where did you go to school
>'poortugal'
>>56521800
Well, they chose to learn that.
>>56521691
Nothing of this 'tweet' makes any sense at all.
>>56521811
My engineering college is ranked 15th in all of Europe...
So... If we'll say 1/2 of that went to college that's what? ~ 100,000 folks getting degrees? Have a feeling we have more students than that
>>56517625
Trump should offer amnesty to illegals who volunteers to build the wall. That way you get almost free labor and the hard workers stay.
Even after walking 30 miles to assist my 3rd world school, to listen to my shitskin teacher bark on and on about a misleading concept of capitalism, while the whole room reeks of bean farts, there is still some magic words that make me smile and carry on with my day:
an american unironically saying "mexico will pay for the wall". Thank you for the laughs, gringos.
>>56517625
>crediting a random twitter twat
>believing everything you see on the internet
>lil mini hitler Trump
DUDE WEED LMAO
>>56517733
Without the poor there is no hierachy of middle class and upper class... so... no you should not kick out the poor, and also for america illegals do almost all the unpleasant physical labor. There is already enough illegals so its fine to build a wall and not let any more through but deporting them is bad call
>clickbait subject
>random stupid tweet
OBVIOUS SHILL/SLIDE THREAD.
Yet you retards still respond in droves.
I'd have thought you'd get the message after the 50th identical thread.
>>56520094
Singapore. Chink city state.
>>56521888
based tecnico
>>56517625
Mexico will pay for it
>free college
I'm sure we can think about it, AFTER we do what obviously needs to be done
>Japan’s government just ordered all of the country’s public universities to end education in the social sciences, the humanities and law.
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-09-20/japan-dumbs-down-its-universities-at-the-wrong-time
>Waikato University is considering a proposal to eliminate 13 academic jobs from its arts and social sciences faculty.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/4407891/Axing-gender-studies-setback-to-rights
>Poland's new minister of education Jaroslaw Gowin begins purge of universities and the media, removing so called "gender studies"
http://www.pch24.pl/gowin-degraduje-naukowe-czasopisma-lgbt--homoaktywisci--to-obnizy-poczucie-bezpieczenstwa,39533,i.html
Of course the media make it sound like doomsday. Once we get rid of the Communist breeding ground that is the Humanities in universities, then we can talk about funding them
>>56517625
Last time the government (Obabo, Bush, I'm sure there are more) gave "free money" to schools, these "free gifts" came at a huge price. With Bush there was No Child Left Behind, and with Obabo, there was Common Core.
Never trust free money.
>>56521684
Also they spend an insane amount on the athletics department thought I suppose that falls under campus lifestyle.
>>56517625
So Bernie wants free university fees, does he then plan to shut the border as a response to his socialist policies?
>>56519099
>by taxing the 1% who aren't paying their fair share.
Buzz buzz buzzwords.
"They say the great wall of China can be seen from orbit. [scoffs] This wall, this wall will be visible from Mars I can guarantee you that, okay? It's gonna shine. It's going be a truly great wall. It's gonna glisten and gleam. There's going to be flood lights. Going to create a lot of jobs. And let me tell you something else. In Donald Trump's America, this wall... well, if your skin color is a shade darker than a day old Krispy kreme doughnut, you're going to be on the other side of that wall, alright? If you 'no Habla English' you're going to get roughed up, and you and your entire family are going bye bye through a one way door, alright? [raucous applause] But not before we apply a tattoo to your face so the guys at the border know you're not American and never will be [Applause and gunfire] and remove each and every one of your pinky fingers as a sign to the world that you are not welcome in Trumps America. If anyone, and I mean anyone takes a look at that wall after being kicked out, and they see that shining city on the hill, and they want in, ohhh they want another chance, they wanna see their seniorita... then, there will be three options for you. Call em the three G's. Gas, Gallows or Guillotine! [Thunderous applause] Gonna put that on TV, gonna make a LOT of money."
-Donald Trump 2015
>>56517890
>become a hot spot for tourists
Will it?
China's Great Wall is several walls, and I don't think they are literally at the country's border, since they are so old, the walls were the old borders.
Our wall will probably be an American DMZ
>>56517625
>10 billion over 8 years
First of all, why only 8 years? Second of all, that wouldn't even pay for a fraction of 1% of college and healthcare.
This is the level of intelligence we're dealing with. Berniefags are the most braindead idiots on the planet.
>>56517625
Why not spend 10 billion over 10 years for free college/healthcare/etc and build a wall decent with 22 billion?
>BUH BUH BUH HOW WILL TRUMP MAKE MEXICO PAY FOR IT :^)
Contray to liberal popular belief economics is not rocket science, seize a few cartels assets especially el chapos, and slap a one off supertax on Carlos Slim's spic ass if he ever wants to do business in the USA ever again and hey presto you have a couple of billion easily.
>>56517625
Free schooling in a competitive market diminishes its value, which is why High School is worth less now than it was 20 years ago.
If you want to make America so shitty that it becomes like everywhere else, that's your problem.
If you want it to become so great that we need a wall to keep people out, vote Trump.
>>56521954
>r, and also for america illegals do almost all the unpleasant physical labor.
this is a fucking MEME
its not true, and if corporations were forced to pay actual citizens real wages to pick fucking strawberries we'd see a slight increase in prices of some things but better employment rates.
>>56517625
Bernie ? you want to vote for a nigger ?
keks , i don't give a fuck , our country is fucked up too.
>>56521888
>15th
>not 1st, or even 2nd or 3rd, 15th
>>56522160
>>56522210
>a hot spot for tourists
the wall already exists.
trump's plan is just a payoff for his construction companies. they will probably just take the money and never build anything. that is what usually happens with 'pork' projects like this.
tunnels can be dug under walls. sections of wall can be penetrated. planes/drones/ultralights can go over walls.
this wall idea is literally retarded.
>>56519805
Is it weird that I immediately thought how SJW's will get triggered by this pic?
