You know it to be true.
>what is china and russia etc
>>56501457
Even they are having trouble with sncakbars
that person is an optimist
most likely that second black chunk will drop off much lower
but pretty cool for that ones that survive.
we'll be able to look back at this point so fondly
we really are living at the peak of human existence
I want "Christianity halted the scientific progress" meme to end.
>>56502681
>he thinks that the desert death cults didn't have a part in ruining Europe
>>56502681
this, christianity only helped.
>The oldest existing, and continually operating educational institution in the world is the University of Karueein, founded in 859 AD in Fez, Morocco. The University of Bologna, Italy, was founded in 1088 and is the oldest one in Europe.
The dark ages were really not that bad. Sure, they were behind ancient Rome and Greece but...
>>56501418
How the fuck do you measure science advancement? Thats clearly BS
>>56501418
Rome created a Dark Age by destroying the synergy of the nations, Rome took many disparate cultures and homogenized them all, destroying the diversity of peoples.
pic related
>>56501418
what a bullshit graph
>>56501418
>Scientific advances
>going backwards
there has never nor will ever be a more nigger image on the internet than this one
Yeah, but this time we have dank ass technology. Dark ages with computers and guns? Hell yeah.
Anyone who isn't retarded knows the graph is nonsense /pol/ is just adding to it.
>>56502681
>>56501418
>christians were the bad guys
well memed, my friend.
>>56503027
>what a bullshit graph
Welcome to /pol/.
>>56501418
Fixed it for you, OP
Oh boy, finally a chance to post this
>>56503081
This
>>56503277
fucking germans already ruining everything for the rest of us
>>56501418
i'm sure this is totally statistically accurate and not at all biased
>muh dark ages were so bad, it's all christianity and europe's fault
>meanwhile almost everything else came from europe and christianity is what permitted most of it
also
>dark ages in europe
>rest of the world can't pick up where we left off
that's sad really, except for egypt, all of the advancements came from europe, not even the islamic golden age is relevant enough
>>56501418
>>56502914
The amount of patents?
The amount of scientific publications produced?
Come on, now, it's not hard.
>>56501487
No they don't
>all these faggots trying to say that European advancements in science were made thanks to christianity, and not in spite of it
You are all just as stupid and filled with faggotry as those unwashed arabs always shrieking about muh pislamic golden age.
>>56504298
Blame all the universities those filthy Christians created!
>>56503198
>>56503310
Bullshit and horseshit apolagetics.
>Over the years I have received several letters from Christians attempting to salvage their religion by claiming that Christianity established modern science and medicine. Without Christianity, they claim, we would not have science, medicine or hospitals. Almost invariably, they mention scientists such as Isaac Newton, Kepler, Galileo, Tycho Brahe, Copernicus, Boyle, Haller, Euler, Vesalius, or others who believed in a Christian god. Moreover, some love to report that the Church continues to finance and encourage experimental science, including the Vatican Observatory as one of the oldest astronomical institutes in the world, and the Trinity College at the University of Cambridge which claims many alumni scientists. Therefore, from these examples (don't you see?) Christianity established modern science.
>Nothing about this arrogant Christian claim could stand further from the truth.
>Please understand that this kind of Christian apologetic argument fails for several reasons which fall into the trap of several fallacies including: appeal to ignorance (failing to understand the history of Christianity in how it did little to inspire science during the Dark Ages); confusing correlation with causation (just because a scientist accepts religion doesn't mean his science derived from religion); and non sequiturs (it doesn't follow that just because a few scientists believed in God that science resulted from it). The myth also spreads through the bandwagon fallacy (appealing to the popular notion that Christianity began modern science), and confirmation bias (list all the Christian scientists, but exclude their rejection of dogmas that conflicted with their science).
>>56504411
>Just because Christians did scientific work has nothing to do with the founding of science. Not only does it not follow, but science existed long before Christianity, practiced by the Ancient Greeks and Romans. Nor did science derive from the pagan religions as even then, scientists sometimes held views contrary to the prevailing religions. The ancient theological opponents did not have the encompassing institutional power as did Christianity during the Dark Ages. The historian Richard Carrier observes, "In contrast, the groups that opposed science in classical antiquity were small, few, rare, and ultimately powerless. That is exactly the opposite of what happened under Christianity." During the medieval period the little science that did occur progressed with little religious influence or, in most cases, in spite of Christianity, but not because of it.
>From its very beginning, the Church has served as a stumbling block against scientific progress. By the time Theodosius proclaimed Nicene Christianity a state religion in 380 CE, progressive science had already stopped. Richard Carrier (through personal correspondence) puts it this way: "Even pagans, though cherishing their scientific heritage (unlike Christians who generally did not), and applying that heritage more avidly than their Christian peers, appear to have given up on advancing science. And then pagans slowly died out, leaving only Christians who were even less interested in such advancement or how to achieve it."
>average IQ is 85
>couldn't engineer a decent refrigerator without western help
>no navy
>military discipline that makes Italians look good by comparison
>let themselves be used as USraels golem
>a threat to the west or to the TPTB
>>56501418
this dark age idea is typically wrong
those times were generally more barbaric because they were rough, simple and violent solutions to questions of justice were the norm but, they were not dark. Our age is the dark age.
>>56503310
Oh, and more bullshit:
First off, Aristotelian cosmology is not, strictly speaking,
a scientific theory. It was formulated at a time when most science was under the discipline of ‘natural philosophy’. Aristotle believed that the workings of the universe could be discovered simply by reasoning them out. This mode of thinking did gain resurgence in the early middle ages, and it is mostly incorrect. The scientific method, as we understand it, as a process of experimentation, theorizing and falsification, was in its infancy in the early 17th century, with Galileo as one of the trailblazers. Aristotelian cosmology is
not a ‘scientific theory’ in our modern use of the term.
Second, Galileo had numerous conflicts with academia and the Catholic Church throughout his life. His
earliest conflicts were due to his experiments on falling bodies, and the results of these experiments did cause conflicts with other physics professors, who held to Aristotelian philosophy. Later he discovered from parallax measurements that light from a supernova was at least as far away from Earth as Jupiter and Saturn. Again, this caused conflict with his fellow physics professors under the paradigm of Aristotelian philosophy. These conflicts nearly cost Galileo his professorship.
Rebuttals to Galileo were written, and their defense was the citation of Biblical passages. By this time, his influence in science was already assured, but it was also by this time that Galileo was being charged as “an enemy of religion”. His conflicts with the Catholic Church escalated from there.
He was charged as an
enemy of religion. The church had no commitment to a scientific theory at the time. They relied on a view of cosmology that worked well with their theology – that knowledge could be discovered on reason alone, and that experimentation was unnecessary. This view of the world
is not scientific reasoning.
>>56503010
>Rome created a Dark Age by destroying the synergy of the nations, Rome took many disparate cultures and homogenized them all, destroying the diversity of peoples.
It was Islam's endless wars against Europe that weakened them and staved off scientific progress.
>>56504411
Im pretty sure that faggot cant even give a proper definition of what is considered a dogma.
I could literally cite a list of hundreds of scientific advancement that were not merely Christians, but also clerics.
But the truth that this guy doesn't even address is that starting from early Christians, there was already this notion of God being a rational being who created a perfectly ordained world.
>>56504792
>as a process of experimentation, theorizing and falsification, was in its infancy in the early 17th century
Yes, but the Scientific Method is a natural consequence of strict adherence to Aristotelian logic - something even Aristotle failed at in his writings.
>>56504632
Christians really are retarded. Of course the breakdown of the Roman Empire was a blow for civilization, but Christianity exacerbated the after-effects. Oh, and if you believe that the modern age is bad and dark, and that those christ-tard centuries were better, then leave the Internet and turn off your computer.
>>56504894
You're missing the point. The Church argued its positions with theology, lies and ignorance.
>>56504896
>the breakdown of the Roman Empire was a blow for civilization, but Christianity exacerbated the after-effects
By preserving knowledge in Christian monasteries?
>>56504975
>You're missing the point. The Church argued its positions with theology, lies and ignorance.
Aristotle wasn't even known in Europe again until about the 12th Century being lost due to the invasion of Rome by the Visigoths and then the Muslims.
>>56504975
> The Church argued its positions with theology, lies and ignorance.
>Rebuttals to Galileo were written, and their defense was the citation of Biblical passages.
Literally cherry-picking or straight making shit up for the Galileo stuff.
You didn't even mention that Galileo's work was funded and encouraged by a cardinal.
No, his detractors didnt rebutt him with theological arguments, but from his inability to actually demonstrate his position. Ergo, he may have been right, but he was unable to explain why.
In the end, he was only punished because he was acting like a dick. (Just read his writings: it was nothing but smug attitude with LALALALA CANT HEAR YOU LALALA)
>>56504896
You're retarded.
>>56504411
>Please understand that this kind of Christian apologetic argument fails for several reasons which fall into the trap of several fallacies including: appeal to ignorance (failing to understand the history of Christianity in how it did little to inspire science during the Dark Ages)
I hope for his butt sakes that "dark ages" for him only refer to the immediate period just after the fall of Rome, where the collapse of the roman empire sent Europe into centuries of turmoil where the priority was to conserve whatever knowledge remained, not really to advance it. If he expands it past the eleventh century, he is a faggot.
>confusing correlation with causation (just because a scientist accepts religion doesn't mean his science derived from religion)
Except most of the early scientific writings from the early middle ages were practically all from monks or priests.
>and non sequiturs (it doesn't follow that just because a few scientists believed in God that science resulted from it)
Allow me to quote this, (and fuck you if you don't, you're just copy-pasting)
>How did Christian belief provide a cultural matrix (womb) for the growth of science?
In Christ and Science (p. 23), Jaki gives four reasons for modern science’s unique birth in Christian Western Europe:
“Once more the Christian belief in the Creator allowed a break-through in thinking about nature. Only a truly transcendental Creator could be thought of as being powerful enough to create a nature with autonomous laws without his power over nature being thereby diminished. Once the basic among those laws were formulated science could develop on its own terms.”
(cont.)
>>56505445
>“The Christian idea of creation made still another crucially important contribution to the future of science. It consisted in putting all material beings on the same level as being mere creatures. Unlike in the pagan Greek cosmos, there could be no divine bodies in the Christian cosmos. All bodies, heavenly and terrestrial, were now on the same footing, on the same level. this made it eventually possible to assume that the motion of the moon and the fall of a body on earth could be governed by the same law of gravitation. The assumption would have been a sacrilege in the eyes of anyone in the Greek pantheistic tradition, or in any similar tradition in any of the ancient cultures.”
>“Finally, man figured in the Christian dogma (BTW your author doesn't seem to know the proper definition of that term, or what is and is not a dogma) of creation as a being specially created in the image of God. This image consisted both in man’s rationality as somehow sharing in God’s own rationality and in man’s condition as an ethical being with eternal responsibility for his actions. Man’s reflection on his own rationality had therefore to give him confidence that his created mind could fathom the rationality of the created realm.”
>“Finally, man figured in the Christian dogma of creation as a being specially created in the image of God. This image consisted both in man’s rationality as somehow sharing in God’s own rationality and in man’s condition as an ethical being with eternal responsibility for his actions. Man’s reflection on his own rationality had therefore to give him confidence that his created mind could fathom the rationality of the created realm.”
>>56501418
Obligitory
>units of scientific advamcement
post
>>56503707
You get more patents because you can patent round edges by now...
You have more publications because there is a journal for every bullshit today...
So other than galileo and copernicus who did the catholic church repress because clearly fedora tippers can't name anyone else but these two.
>>56504465
>Richard Carrier
Oh look, it's about the only modern historian proponent of the theory that Jesus of Nazareth wasn't a historical person.
Color me surprised.
>>56504162
Yes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrIImehXTRY
>>56505635
Galileo wasn't repressed because of his scientific work.
>“Christianity’s philosophy is actually anti-Enlightenment. The great discoveries and social progress of the last couple centuries have happened in defiance of Christianity.”
>If so, explain the utter lack of great discoveries and social progress in areas of the world, and times of history, where Christianity was not present? If you say A opposes or hinders the growth of B, then in the absence of some supervening cause, should we not expect the absence of A to correspond to the flourishing of B?
>>56505533
>>56501418
Lack of units on axes annoys me immensely.
>>56504505
As long as white people see Arabs and niggers as human those races will be a thread to white civilization and scientific advancement. White will be slaughtered once they become the minorities, they don't need much IQ to be able to fire a weapon to kill whites.
>>56501418
except Islam doesn't contradict science, it has only aided it, you don't know about the golden age of Islam because it doesn't fit your kike agenda.
>>56501418
The first hole should be attributed to Muslims as well.
>>56506183
Islam contradicts science because the RESULTS are Islamic shitholes.
After Muslims have cannibalized the non-Muslim areas taken over there is no room for anything but Shariah and the "will of Allah"
Eat shit ahmed
>>56501418
Irrelevant, if the current conflicts dont lead us to nuclear war, the incoming exhaustion of important finite resources/elements on earths crust will be the end of us in 200-300 years max. My theory is that the inevitability of resource depletion is the ulterior motive why NWO globalist elite tries so hard to eradicate national identity and starts with the most effective steppingstone, european whites.
>>56506183
>except Islam doesn't contradict science
Read up on the concept of occasionalism in Islam.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occasionalism#Islamic_theological_schools
> In the 12th century, this theory was defended and further strengthened by the Islamic theologian Fakhr al-Din al-Razi, using his expertise in the natural sciences of astronomy, cosmology and physics.
TL;DR, they made observations about nature, but ultimately they shot themselves in the foot by refusing the very concept of natural cause and effect.
>>56504298
>>56504411
>>56504465
>>56504792
Man why are Romanians so retarded? Is it because they dust in their brain from all the dust farming? How do you even get internet in the dust shacks you call home? Not only were your copy pasted arguments destroyed by this guy >>56505445 , but you also seem to be forgetting the little fact that Christianity serves as the cornerstone of the western tradition, and is the basis for western civilization.
>>56502914
>Degree of DeGrasse
>Sagans per second
>Fedoras per minute
It is easy.
>>56505780
>china and russia
>japan posted
fucking syrian trollz
>>56506789
are you trying to convince him or yourself?
>>56501487
>implying Russia and China wouldn't go full shoah if it became a battle for civilization
>>56503277
This
The world would've been a better place without Germanians.
>>56502914
in sciences. duh.
>>56501507
This. Implying the muslim dark ages will drop scientific knowledge to "modern science" levels is patently ridiculous. This religion has been at war with the rest of the world for 1500 years. Yet they have to buy their war toys from the west (or just weld some scrap metal to the front of a toyota, or something). They are fucking useless at tech, and we will be scrabbling in the dirt for insects if they win. Also:
>the hole left by the christian dark ages"
should read the 1st hole left by the islamic dark ages, as they are the ones that caused it (for anyone who wants to know what the second one will be like, just pick up a history book)
>>56508434
Like, how many sciences you have?
>>56501418
What is the unity at measures scientific advancement?
>>56501418
I can make scientificy graphs too
>tfw i live in a society devoid of beauty, poetry and will of power
h-how /pol/
how can i find my spark again
>>56501418
From my read of most likely future events, we have about 600-800 years of dark ages ahead of us, during which time Islam either outright rules in many areas of Earth, or the indigenous people are spending all of their time fighting for their lives and culture. It will be a literal dark age.
No computers, no internet, no /pol/.
Many of the races will die out. Muslim men are like Jews in that regard - couldn't give a damn about respecting other races of people. White people may survive, though pure Nordics.... IDK yet.
The Chinese will likely dominate the remnants of the Western world.
Ultimately 300+ million rootless people will be 'refugees' moving from place to place, destroying by sheer numbers the places they move to.
The oceans will be denuded of all life by about 2100-2150, unless we stop the pollution and over-fishing, which is unlikely.
America will fall to a bloody civil war in which perhaps half the pop will die, most due to conflict-related starvation and disease. That's only a few years away from now.
Fun stuff, huh? Fore the most part, people have been misled by false humanists, self-hating kekolds, Zionistas, and short-sighted one-world-govermenters. Even now, everyone is still in denial.
>>56501418
Muslims can't support their population without western technology and science.
>>56503081
This, to be truthful, relative. And I'm an atheist.
>>56508158
>Your wrong because we dont want to associate with you!
>>56501418
>implying militant atheism won't be held responsible for this one.
>>56501418
>History is chronological
>>56503085
All technology is a means to an ends. The monkey hasn't really changed much at all explaining the current technocratic Inquisition. It's bullet proof. You can't just walk into the Mormon NSA MS data centers with your gun.
>>56504865
Mexico please, you worship a despot on the other side of the ocean and you half breeds are even more ignorant than the inbred freaks that assimilated you.
Propaganda is the propagation of church dogma and that department works hand in glove with the Inquisition. Catholics have ancestors that were tortured to conform to an occult ideology is all. Protestants are crippled occultists crawling away from the beast and Orthodox anything is denial of modern reality.
>>56509349
Visit Trier
>>56501418
So how does one measure "scientific advancement?"
>>56512791
>Mexico please, you worship a despot on the other side of the ocean and you half breeds are even more ignorant than the inbred freaks that assimilated you.
Not mexican, my chink friend.
>Propaganda is the propagation of church dogma
wat
>Catholics have ancestors that were tortured to conform to an occult ideology is all
Nice knowledge of how christianism spread.
You still don't know what is dogma and what constitutes it.
>>56503198
>>56503081
Christians dindu nuffin!
they simply destroyed all Greek philosophy schools
banned all teachings of non-Christian ideas
killed anyone who came with something that went against the teachings
it wasn't Christianity per se that caused this but the theocracy that evolved from Christianity
