I believe that socialism is the way forward, but I fucking hate Muslims. Most people here associate politically correct SJW's with socialists, and I was just wondering if there are any other socialists here.
I lean to the left slightly, however I'm pretty conservative when it comes to social matters.
if you do not discuss kekservativism you are not welcome here
Socialism means giving up everything of yours to everyone else and hoping you don't get completely fucked.
It only works in a monolithic society where you can trust people you don't know. In other words,it doesn't work.
>>56494018
No, what you're talking about is Communism.
Socialism is a form of Capitalism. The rich get to stay rich, but just not as rich as they would be in a Capitalist state.
>>56493795
>socialist
Why?
>>56494145
frankfurt school was anti soviet union
>>56493795
We have a NatSoc general so what do you fucking think?
>>56494171
Im pretty sure they were anti everything, but unleashed upon the west.
>>56494274
yeah they were anti USSR, and i see many conservatards here saying that frankfurt school were marxists, when they were just dumb liberals trying to spread their shit in the west
>>56493795
I lean to the left on the economic spectrum. Wouldn't call myself a socialist though. Maybe an oldstyle social democrat but even then my outlook on most social issues could be described as hardline conservative
>>56493795
I'm socialist.
PayPal me $1000, breh?
>>56493795
>common ownership
>implying kikes know how to share
>implying niggers have any respect for property
I agree with the problems they point out in capitalism but they won't address the problems inherent to their ideology outside of the economic realm
>>56494368
yeah, IIRC they were nihilist and atheist, literally wanting the reverse of everything good
....and thats when you get into the sabbatean frankist kabbalah bullshit that loses everybody
>>56494171
>>56494274
They were satanists who sought to destroy Western culture.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBfT0pi0cMs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjaBpVzOohs
http://www.schillerinstitute.org/fid_91-96/921_frankfurt.html
http://www.wnd.com/2007/05/41737/
http://www.conspiracyschool.com/blog/holiness-sin-freud-frankfurt-school-and-kabbalah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6c_dinY3fM
>>56494145
Why not?
Public transport (trains, buses) are becoming a fucking joke in the UK in terms of prices. These companies can afford to keep fares cheap, but they decide to bump up the price because there's no competitors and people won't stop using their service.
Socialism would mean that these corporate bastards would still get to be rich, while making public transport affordable for everybody.
>>56494497
can i get that shiller institute link based orthodox bro?
>>56494492
>....and thats when you get into the sabbatean frankist kabbalah bullshit that loses everybody
How is it fake? We have documented evidence that this was their game plan.
>>56494497
nevermind
that's fine, op. you can be a fucking puritan and be a socialist. socialist would just be how you describe your economic views. you don't need to be tied to 'progressive' ideas to be a socialist.
Go to reddit faggot. They are all communists over there.
>>56494529
Schiller Institute is the most elaborate explanation. I recommend spreading it to all.
>>56493795
Socialism is anytime the state takes property from someone who earned it and gives it to another who did not. This is plunder and is a perversion of the law and as such is unjust and must be abolished.
>>56493795
>fiscally liberal
>socially conservative
am i being b8ed?
Hmm if you're a socialist and a nationalist I wonder what that's called.
>>56494382
That's exactly how I'd describe myself. When I'm weighing out my options and deciding which party to vote for, there has to be a good balance of social and economic factors. The question is, are social issues more important than economic issues or vice versa? That is why I'd consider myself a socialist.
>>56493795
Socialism is inherently collectivist no matter how you discuss it. It requires a ellite forceful body to redistribute the wealth.
>>56493795
same. i get shit on by other leftists because "bluh intersectionality", but how the fuck am i supposed to welcome with open arms people whose entire culture wants to bring about the downfall of the west? fuck that.
>>56494642
socialists aren't fiscally liberal lol
>>56494115
>Socialism is a form of Capitalism
nigger what
>>56494606
The principle of Wikipedia is pretty much the same don't you think? You have valueable knowledge about some things, you "give" it to another who needs it, and then other people "give" you the knowledge you need. Just saying.
>>56493795
So... your'e a national socialist one might say???
>>56494382
If you're not reform socialist (gradual shift to socialism) you can't really call yourself social democrat.
>>56494947
Except when you share knowledge you lose none of it.
>>56493861
>gooysbot
jidf leave
>>56494606
This.
The fact that socialism encourages stealing should prove once and for all that "Marxist Jew" is an oxymoron, as Judaism is AGAINST stealing.
>>56494145
Cultural Marxism is false marxism.
the only antagonisms that exist in society are class antagonisms.
>>56493795
No. Socialism leads to Communism, and Communism leads to Fascism. So why not pick Fascism right away?
See this
>>56494847
>smrt fašizmu sloboda narodu
It's a popular partisan parole in my country, it says in English
>Death to fascism, freedom to the people
What it really says is
>Death to (black) fascism, freedom to the (red) fascism (Communism)
If you talk a bit with Socialists, you will
a) understand they know nothing
b) understand they know something but are unwilling to admit it failed 100 times before
c) they are outright communists, and will support gulags, mass executions, tortures and the rest of stalinland exhibits
Both three mix equally
Problem with Communism is that the West didn't work hard enough to demonize it as NS, yes, we did sabotage it at every turn but people still see it as movement that beat NS although in layman terms, they're equally evil & genocidal.
>>56495063
Are you a working class citizen?
Let's say that one day, you inherit somebodys business, which leads to you earning £10m annually. The government decides to regulate your prices, which declines your annual profit to around £5 - 6m.
Would it really put a huge hole in your pocket? You would still be able to afford pretty much anything you wanted without the fear of going bankrupt (unless you were to make risky decisions in your career).
>>56495224
Cultural Marxism is Marxism applied to culture.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0KwdtCmvWg
>>56494368
>>56494492
>>56494274
The Frankurt School WAS Marxist, just a revisionist form critical of traditional Marxism.
And no, the far left is not behind identity politics in any coherent sense. It's just slave morality brought about by the conditions of industrial society and historical coincidence.
Weaklings and lepers have always veered towards the left, as they socially benefit from redistribution, egalitarian morality, and the diffusion of guilt. This does not necessarily suggest much about principled leftists.
>>56495063
Yeah I know, I also believe that there will be a time when we can produce goods with almost zero cost, with helps from advanced techs. Remember when you have to buy a 12 inch LP to enjoy music? Now you can share your videos, audio, text very easily. I don't say we can bypass the traditional markets altogether, but there are people who always happy to share.
>>56495330
No faggot, Marxism gives fuck all about culture in itself. In economic materialism, the superstructure strictly emerges from and is contingent to the means of production.
Not even a Marxist, but "cultural marxism" is heresy at best. It's completely contradictory
>>56495310
>>56495368
Interesting viewpoints and ideas
I'll look more into it.
>>56495453
>Not even a Marxist, but "cultural marxism" is heresy at best. It's completely contradictory
Who cares? It's real, and is absolutely based in Marxist narratives.
It is also evil. The Frankfurt School have a high amount of blood on their hands, probably more so than any other communist leader, because Critical Theory gave us free love and feminism which gave us abortion culture. America has seen the deaths of 60 million unborn babies since Roe V. Wade.
But it's not surprising, given as to how Critical Theory reverses the truth.
>>56495590
>Who cares? It's real, and is absolutely based in Marxist narratives.
Identity politics is real, but has fucking nothing to do with Marxism.
>The Frankfurt School have a high amount of blood on their hands, probably more so than any other communist leader, because Critical Theory gave us free love and feminism which gave us abortion culture. America has seen the deaths of 60 million unborn babies since Roe V. Wade.
The Frankfurt School is a minor footnote in the history of modern leftism. They weren't completely trivial, but it's totally absurd to portray them as some sort of centralized masterminds of our current state of affairs. Singlehandedly, people like Gnome Chomsky or Foucalt are vastly more influential.
>>56495330
i've always considered myself to be more in tune with trotsky/lenin than with marx, and i've always felt that the theories should only be applied as concerns economic conditions and class antagonisms.
>>56493795
>based on the common ownership of property
Not "property" but specifically means of production.
>>56493795
Socialism has never worked. You've been in a long, slow decline since you started post-War.
The US started down the path in 2008, and we've kept the world in Depression ever since.
Which is too bad. We tried socialism in 1620, and abandoned it as unworkable in 1621.
You are stuck in 1620.
>>56493795
But governments intrinsically leverage their power; in this case -- delegation of funds.
Socialism is a fun idea. Infantile, but fun. The thing is, it comes with this blatant necessary evil where the government finds itself wielding the pinnacle of power in designing lives and what they see fit. Add geopolitical persuasions to the mix and the people become a commodity. Fuel for the government.
The fruits of socialism.
Conformity. Order. Obedience.
>>56495702
I know what post-structuralism is.
Tell me: how exactly was Foucault different from Adorno/Benjamin/Marcuse?
Frankfurt School were extremely influential in the humanities. If they weren't, how come I was required to read Benjamin's writings in the literature course I took in university? Why was I required to read FOUR of Fromm's works in various psychology courses? Why did I have to read One-Dimensional Man in a level-100 sociology course? Of course they were influential and their influence has lead to the downfall of academia (see: Yale, Mizzou).
>Any socialists here?
yes I saw many retards here.
>>56495902
oh God, that image...I'm laughing like there's no tomorrow!
>>56495963
In wielding this power to design populations, the people become less free, thus end up being disarmed. The government then does not fear the people. This is detrimental to humanity's evolutionary need to be free. A clusterfuck ensues.
>>56493795
An economic system
>system, State
>state
>>56496129
Pretty much this, OP. Re-read it as much as you can. Til you understand it.
>>56495997
>Frankfurt School were extremely influential in the humanities
Relevant, but not in any broadly causal or proprietary sense.
You still haven't established how "cultural marxism" isn't literally an oxymoron. You cannot outright abandon historical materialism and still identity as a marxist.
>socialist system without government
>common ownership of property
no, my property
now what socialists?
>>56496273
Um, could you please share your property?
>>56496129
And capitalism is an economic system too. Whoopy-doo.
>>56496273
I guess you basically conquer the country and install fascism. Well done, anon.
>>56493795
Socialism is just all the Countrymen and women working together for the benefit of their Country instead of for their personal benefit. Doesn't mean we should let a bunch of uneducated non willing to assimilate fags in at all
>>56496412
So .. lah lah land?
>>56493795
>>/leftypol/
Shillbots.. shillbots everywhere
>>56494115
>Socialism is a form of Capitalism.
No
>a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
This is not how things work in the real world.
I think you mean you're a Social Democrat of some kind? Even then, it does not work. it will never work. It causes economic stagnation, Humans are naturally greedy and seek self improvement. Get over it.
>>56495997
>Why was I required to read FOUR of Fromm's works in various psychology courses?
They had to keep your mind busy so you wouldn't realize how much money you're wasting preparing for a career in fast food.
>>56496412
>Socialism is just all the Countrymen and women working together for the benefit of their Country instead of for their personal benefit.
Human nature always gets in the way, though, doesn't it?
That's why mind control is an essential element of socialism.
>>56494546
American that understands politics is not black and white?
Well color me surprised.
Socialism or the idea about being social, is a really broad term.To me it means sharing expenses in society.In the United states, you share expenses to the military, the roads, prisons, food stamps and hospitals. I would say that is being social about paying towards things that are in most peoples interest. Other countries share expenses to other things and so there are different "levels" of socialism.
Take poor people; in Scandinavia we pay them money so they do not have to go out and commit crimes. In the united states you prefer they go out and commit crimes and then pay for their stay in prison. Regardless you are going to pay for poor people. And I can assure you prison is the more expensive option
Next the health system, in Scandinavia it is free to go to the hospital or doctor. If you are in the United States, you can't get help unless you have money or insurance and as a poor person you will likely not have any of these. This means that medical conditions that are treatable, goes on untreated. Some get really sick, and when their lives are in danger (because of illness) then you pay for them to go to the hospital. And hospitals are really expensive, mind you. Especially if you compare it to the original problem.They declare medical bankruptcy and the tax payers still pay.
The point ; you are going to pay for the poor and the sick, no matter what.
socialism is fine if it's like a small business co-op or a community garden or something
not at all feasible for something on the scale of a nation
>>56494115
>Socialism is a form of Capitalism
Oh look another Bernie Sanders-tier ''Socialist'' who has no idea what the word means. It's kind of like Patriotism and Nationalism with Socialism and Social Democracy, 99% of people don't know the difference. And I don't mean 70% or 80%, seriously no less than 99%.
>>56495274
>No. Socialism leads to Communism, and Communism leads to Fascism. So why not pick Fascism right away?
Explain how this happened in Yugoslavia please
>>56496934
>Scandinavia we pay them money so they do not have to go out and commit crimes.
>Next the health system, in Scandinavia it is free to go to the hospital or doctor. If you are in the United States, you can't get help unless you have money or insurance and as a poor person you will likely not have any of these.
Instead of free handouts, wouldn't the most logically answer be to help them get jobs? (i.e. helping them help themselves). Then they would have money and not need to commit crimes and would have insurance...and other don't have to pay for it.
By the way, US has a free healthcare system (Obamacare, haven't you heard?). Basically no one is signing up.
>>56495310
The old temporarily embarrassed millionaire argument. There is nothing wrong with a bit of regulation that still allows for large but not ridiculous profits. Case in point Comcast and most safety regulations in aerospace and vehicles.
>>56494115
Socialism is NOT a form of Capitalism.
What are thing of is social democracy (sometimes incorrectly used interchangeably democratic socialism)...the same political ideology that has given Europe stagnant economic growth, SJWs, and millions of shitskins.
>>56497304
We are pushing them to get jobs or education. Especially young people below the age of 30. If you can work, you should. And most danes take personal responsibility for the well being of the state and will work, if they are able to.Most people here consider it shameful not to work and get money from the state.
>>56497527
>What are thing of is social democracy (sometimes incorrectly used interchangeably democratic socialism)
Social democracy is revisionist socialism that tries to achieve socialism through gradual peaceful reforms rather than violent revolution. As no social democratic country has ever achieved socialism (basically all just degenerated into capitalists) it's quite simply shit tier socialist ideology. It did have success in Latin America but they always go about it so fast and hard to soviet style socialism it's bound to fail.
If you want to see why socialism will NEVER work all you have to do is look at the government
>>56493795
> I lean to the left slightly, however I'm pretty conservative when it comes to social matters.
So you're saying you're a cunt?
>>56497602
I don't know about Denmark (but I suppose it is also true a bit considering your last national election), but there is a big problem with disseminating who REALLY needs it. The city of Los Angeles spent $600,000,000 on illegal immigrants in 2013 or 2014. That is just one city...and they weren't even citizens!!!
Many Americans are very cynical when it comes to social welfare, because we SO much waste.
>>56497218
Everything that happened after TIto
>>56498093
I find it funny how whenever there is talk about socialism, nobody ever brings up Tito's Yugoslavia.
>>56493795
Socialism sucks.
>pic related
>>56497304
Hobos never want to work. Ever. I asked a homeless man if he had tried to find a job and he laughed and say "why would I do that, sonny"
>>56498363
>>56498478
My point proven.
>You must pay for other people
>Way forwards
How about you go fuck yourself you infantile piece of shit?
![Dont-Tread-300[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/Jd3TW7O.gif "Dont-Tread-300[1].gif")
>>56498827
Forgot pic.
>>56497994
And to me that is just totally unacceptable. Either they get in and contribute or they stay out. There is no middle way. If they get in, they need respect democracy, work and pay taxes towards our common good. They need to understand that they are personally responsible for the well being of the state. If they don't care about these things it's "ok" - we can accept people who work for themselves. Most people here would look down on that but it's "ok". The moment they start to force their views onto other trough violence or threats, they crossed a line. If I was the major of Los Angeles, I would put money towards having agents walk about and check if people are working legally. If they work illegally, they should be deported
>>56496491
>leftists
>love israel
>>56493795
>Being a Socialist
>Not going on /Leftypol/
I'm with you anon, but coming here for intelligent discussion is retarded. I'm just here for the memes. Go to /Leftypol/ for discussion.
>>56498827
The problem is if you don't do something to helps those in need, they riot or are on the street begging. Just look at the states.
You want to keep the cities a public spaces nice and safe, you need somewhere to keep the riffraff and placate them.
>>56493795
National Socialism is the only socialism this world needs. The bad guys won WW2, capitalist jew puppets and jews. It's been over for decades.
>Capitalism is full of Jews
>Socialism is full of Jews
>Third way started a fucking world war, trying to eradicate the lowly types of Jews who weren't doing much damage instead of rich ones
>feudalism would be filled with Jews as well
Shit is fucked.
>>56493795
Yeah it's called National Socialism. Congratulations you're a NAZI like the rest of us.
