Conservatives are big-government authoritarians.
Conservative-Libertarian-Minarchist-Free market capitalist
Liberal-Socialist-Communist
also, every major dictator has been a leftist, umad
>>56451902
Who's the semen demon?
If conservatives believed in small government and individual liberty, they wouldn't demand the construction of a border wall and the deportation of 11 million people.
>>56452407
troll?
>>56452429
Katya lischina
Enjoy
>>56452321
Conservatism doesn't overlap with libertarianism at all.
>>56451902
Liberals = big government centrist economy with small military
Conservatives = big military with small government centrist economy
Conservatives win if history tells us anything about socialism.
>>56452441
Those 11 million people aren't US citizens and legally are not allowed to be here.
>>56452441
If you have a state, you must have borders. Especially so if you have a neighboring country with massive corruption and violence.
Usually yeah.
>>56452613
More like:
Conservatives = big government with big military.
>>56452407
Maybe if your only understanding of the world comes from /pol/
>>56452762
>Especially so if you have a neighboring country with massive corruption and violence.
America itself is a country with massive corruption and violence.
>>56451902
>the name calling
You are literal suicidal pretentious complacent elitists.
Grow your hair out wierdo.
>>56452613
The only big government that conservatives talk about cutting are social programs and making sure MNC's can do what they want without being punished.
>>56452519
sorry but yeah, free market capitalism is the logical conclusion of Libertarianism, non initiation of force and a respect for property rights taken to its fullest extent. don't tell me, you think free college healthcare are human rights
>>56453008
>the name calling
>starts name calling
>every other thread on /pol/ about anything is liberal hate memes
>>56452935
So then it should be easy to kick a bunch of people out.
>>56452902
Mao, Hitler and Stalin to name the most obvious, all leftists
>>56452510
>Katya lischina
Thanks bruv
>>56453096
Only appropriatly responding to stupid.
Anything else you'd like to point out before I have to take the country forward.
Conservatives=big business has more power
liberals = government has more power
Conservatives have governments supporting business. Liberals have business supporting governments.
>>56452762
Not only borders, but laws. Laws that are followed or they can be enforced. If you break the law, you should not be allowed to do so with impunity.
>>56453196
Not to mention the fact that modern labor unions are a scam and operate like businesses. They also have alot of ties with the cosa nostra.
>>56453175
There have only been three dictators in history.
>>56453187
Mainstream conservatives are authoritarians and they aren't for a free market.
>>56453218
See? In this very thread, you're all justifying state intervention and restrictions on individual liberty. You're all big government authoritarians.
>>56453187
Corporate welfare, the Federal Reserve and banker bailouts are not aspects of a free market.
>>56453471
Liberals are literally the exact same.
Are you sure you're on the right side?
>>56453471
"There have only been three dictators in history."
Obviously not, I said "to name the most obvious", when looking at all the other smaller dictatorships you'll find that the overwhelming majority are also leftist
>>56453643
Did I ever say they were?
>>56453175
>Hitler
>Leftist
>>56453175
Don't you fuckers here worship Hitler?
>>56453755
yeah "National socialist", kind of a big clue in the name
>>56453475
Wanting borders and laws sure is big government.
What's the left want again? Oh yeah.
>Implying theres an actual difference between liberal and conservative elected officials
>>56453651
>Liberals are literally the exact same.
I didn't say they weren't.
>>56453734
Bullshit.
>>56453750
They aren't for small government unless it's for cutting social programs and making sure MNC's don't scam people or poison our land, people and water.
>>56452429
dont you mean "no jaw retard for low test manlets"?
>>56453867
Wanting tight immigration policy and authoritarian laws is big government. I have no idea why you're assuming I'm leftist.
>>56453846
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-hitler.htm
Why were left-wing degenerates/subversives and communists so targeted under his rule?
I'm not criticizing conservative beliefs or even trying to refute your argument that there were more left-wing dictators, but you can't seriously believe that Nazi Germany was leftist.
>>56453967
If you actually believe that the image you posted puts across any argument whatsoever, you are a fucking loonatic
>>56453475
There's literally nothing wrong with that.
>>56454144
Of course he can believe that. He's retarded.
>>56454192
There have been tons of right wing dictators. Africa is a fucking mess of them.
>>56454306
Francisco Franco, too.
>>56454144
You will find the soviet union's history littered with the bodies of dissident leftists as well, dictatorships brook no dissent from any point of view.
>>56454265
...thank you
>>56454400
South America has a nice history of it too. Syngman Rhee, Ukraine's current gov is pretty fucked up too.
>>56454409
But Nazi Germany was explicitly critical of communism and left-wing politics, it's not the same as Trotskyism vs. Stalinism and different types of communists fighting each other for power. The consensus is that Nazi Germany was right wing.
>>56454144
Communists were targeted because communist ideology shares with fascism that it is about the collective, not the individual.
It is much more easy to convince a fascist to be a communist than to convince a libertarian to be a fascist or a communist.
As for degenerates and such, that's not necessarily left wing, just "progressive", which Nazi Germany was not.
>>56454306
Capitalism is as responsible for those dictatorships and genocides as the type of bread eaten by the dictators.
In fact, I think you'll find that the "capitalism" in such African countries is nothing more than the result of a power-hungry nigger trying to fix prices and bend prices to his whim after his colonial sugar-daddies left home
>>56453967
Then we are in agreeance that both the liberals and conservatives are sbit parties that only wish to take more liberties away from American citizens.
Then I see this second part and I can't help but assume that you still trying to push a liberal narrative even after you pandered to me.
75% of immigrants receive some sort of government benifit.
They have to go snowflake.
>>56454144
Nah they definitely were, even the hatred of Jews was largely just the politics of envy, as Jews were disproportionately successful capitalists. You even see today the main critics of Zionism/Israel are also leftists, this is not a coincidence. Anecdotally all of the people I have met who said something to the effect of 'Hitler had some good ideas' were leftists.
>>56452519
>what is traditionalist nativist colonial libertarianism
>>56454679
You guys really need to shake the thing where you believe there are only two or three types of political affiliation to have.
>>56451902
To the extent that someone is a big-government authoritarian they aren't a conservative.
/thread
>inb4 'you can't "/thread" your own comment'
>>56451902
How are you this dumb?
>>56454909
You're the one who eats up their bullshit.
>>56454895
>Acting like other proxy beliefs are relevant.
Get rule DUDE.
>>56454600
Sorry but they were socialists, certainly not conservative. Sure they were critical of their competition, but this doesn't stop them from advocating an authoritarian leftist form of government. I mean they were hardly free market capitalists, LOL.
>>56454625
Could you provide a source for that?
>>56454693
>Nah they definitely were
>Hated the Jews because they were jealous of their capitalism
>Leftists I met said that Hitler had some good ideas
alright then
>>56455070
You're right I should just adopt beliefs and values that I don't have because
>>56451902
what a qt <3
>>56455117
It was not an authoritarian leftist government, it was authoritarian right government, this is common knowledge and accepted by seemingly everyone except for those trying to make a point by associating Hitler with left-wing politics.
>>56452935
and that is why you see millions of people illegally crossing the border to get to canada :^)
>>56455508
Canada isn't that different.
>>56455242
No real source is needed, it's just deduced from the fact that they're competing ideologies.
Easy to get a soccer player to play for a rival team, but not to play for a hockey team, you hear?
>>56455245
>>56455245
Your moronic and are asking someone to tell you what to think?
Do you hear yourself and how seemingly willing you want someone to tell you what to believe?
>>56455659
Hitler literally murdered socialists and communists.
>>56455694
No you stupid fuck, it wasn't a question.
>>56455739
Yeah Hitler murdered all of the socialists, except for himself and his National socialist party.
>>56455659
But surely if what you're saying is true there would be evidence of some Nazi official saying it? What the Soviets and Nazis had in common was authoritarianism and totalitarianism, as well as collectivism in the sense of devotion to the state.
>>56455821
Because warrants an explanation I would think.
But whatever.
>>56451902
That's why I'm a right wing libertarian
>>56453175
>Hitler is a fascist
FTFY
>>56455950
>What the Soviets and Nazis had in common was authoritarianism and totalitarianism, as well as collectivism in the sense of devotion to the state.
exactly
that's why it's easy to convert people from communism to fascism
>>56455739
>murdered socialists
i guess that's why he nationalized things as trivial as the automobile industry
what a capitalist
loved capital so much he took it for himself
Can someone give me an explanation of what exactly left and Right policies are?
I just looked it up and according to wikipedia Communism and Anarchy are BOTH left wing.
WHAT
THE
FUCK
They are complete opposites and yet are on the same side?
Can someone explain this.
>>56456230
But you're saying that fascism is a left-wing ideology, when it is clearly not and never was.
>>56456334
Also
>inb4 real communism is no government with everyone working for the collective
Here in reality we know that will never happen so Communism will forever be a big, all powerful state.
>>56452441
Listen. You can have a free market/capitalism and less strict immigration or you can have a welfare nanny state and closed/more strict borders. You can't have both.
>>56456589
Well, when pure ideologies are being discussed like that, they're referring to the idea of communism that you spoke of in your greentext so that kind of complicates things.
I don't disagree with you about it, though.
>>56456404
National Socialism had left-leaning economic policy, and non-progressive social policy. It is only "right-wing" on the 1D line diagram of LEFT-RIGHT that you were taught in school.
National Socialism was authoritarian, not libertarian. It was economically planned, not free-market. Less free-market than modern-day Scandinavia. It definitely wasn't entirely socialist or communist, but it was a far cry from being truly capitalist.
>>56452747
Uh, exactly. You want big government to take the bad darkies away.
>>56457292
Economic policies aren't the sole determinant of whether a political system is left or right. You're also exaggerating their economic system. I'm not saying that there was no nationalization because clearly there was, but to use that as the sole evidence that fascism was a left-wing ideology is poor evidence.
>Hitler also believed that individuals within a nation battled with each other for survival, and that such ruthless competition was good for the health of the nation, because it promoted "superior individuals" to higher positions in society.[21] At Berchtesgaden Hitler held his final speech, drafted by Albert Speer, in front of an audience. He emphasised the "self-responsibility of industry". After the won war "private initiative of German business will experience its greatest moment", and Hitler expressed his belief in "the further development of humanity through the promotion of private initiative, in which alone I see the precondition for all real progress."[22]
>>56457292
Also, if there's no left-right dichotomy (though I do agree with you that it's hugely flawed), what are we even arguing about and what possible meaning could the labeling of regimes as leftist even have?
Also, calling National Socialism's social policy "non-progressive" is an understatement.
>>56453475
you have to be 18 to post here
>>56456334
Left-right is a false paradigm created by the jews.
>>56451902
>Conservatives
>big-government authoritarians
Yes, because mainstream conservatism is a crypto-catholic political movement, based on the works of avowed Romish Edmund Burke, and intended to supplant Protestant inspiration of the right-wing in American politics.
A person's political philosophy is informed by their religious propensities. Romish religionists believe in the infallibility of their supreme leader, the Pope, and so they tend toward centralized and authoritarian governments, as evidenced by the political structure of every majority Catholic nation in latin america.
>>56451902
Conservative means whatever you want it to mean and whatever other people you want to throw under the bus.
I read a Salon article the other day where some woman was (rightfully) talking shit about the neo-conservatives and the terrible shit Fox News and william f buckley have done. Yet all the people in the comments and the woman in the article were conflating everything republican and neo-con with everything on 'the right'. I think that is wrong.
>>56451902
correct.
>>56456589
In the simplest sense.
>leftism = collectivism and mutual beneficial relationships
>rightism = individualism and competition
