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Anyone who believes that CEOs are unjustly paid, is free to become a CEO himself.
See how easy it for yourself
>>55915657
The CEO of Planned Parenthood makes $500k a year. How do liberals feel about that?
>>55915657
Jus become ur own CEO if its so easy man! XD
There is literally nothing stopping you
>>55915925
b-but it's a non-profit organization
>>55915835
Americans were getting closer to unwrapping the Jewish strings behind our government and economy. I have a feeling Bernie and Trump are plants to distract them and push more identity politics. The Jews were probably sweating right before both of those candidates were "escorted" into the spotlight.
>>55915657
It's truly indefensible. I mean, who pays these CEOs so much? We should give them a piece of our mind.
>>55915835
Fucking this
>>55915657
What's wrong? Just because I'm working hard by going to school on top of working full time to someday make more money, that doesn't mean I think anyone else should be forced to make less money so that I can have more.
>>55916211
>JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS
>>55915657
Why do you believe people shouldn't be allowed to pay their employees whatever they want to pay them?
if a company goes south, it can lose billions of dollars and have to cut it's workforce by a huge amount, or go out of business. also note that the ceo rarely spends all the money he gets. it's reinvested and creates more jobs.
>>55915657
CEO is 300X more important than the average worker so....
A CEO is 300 times more important than the average worker.
ydiscussion forever
>>55915657
think of the average worker and how useless they are
now think of how much shit a CEO has to do, literally the entire company and the jobs on his shoulders
I say 300 is too low
Not to mention the average company with this type of pay has waaaaay over 3000 employees, most over 30,000 (at least for the "over 300 times pay" meme)
So best case scenario if you REMOVE the CEO pay by 100% so he gets nothing, employee pay will increase by 1-10% MAX
The average salary increases faster with inflation. This is just another example of liberal talking points that are all emotion and no practically.
>>55915657
If CEOs were truly overpaid, the laws of supply and demand would cause their salary to decrease.
No? Well fuck Bernie Sanders then.
>>55916722
this is liberalism, they don't trust free market
minimum wage part time job burger flippers need more pay because "they matter!" and CEOs who control millions and billions of dollars don't
>>55917013
They are right though, because the law of supply and demand is broken for average workers: You can correct a undersupply of labor with an increase in wages, but you can't treat oversupply by lowering wages.
>>55915657
damn those lazy retards that dont do anything all day
since its so easy, why dont just everyone on the planet become a CEO?
i mean you said it yourself, its so easy and theres nothing to do!
>>55915657
What's the point of this? With no CEO there would be no workers.
>>55915657
>Obama brings in fuckloads of immgrants legal or otherwise
>Obama encourages companies to hire them over citizens, and even makes it cheaper to hire them over citizens
>2/3 of all new jobs created since Obama took office have gone to foreign-born people as a result
>demand increases for everything due to the surge in populaiton growth caused by democrats, driving up the prices (and profits) for everything
>CEOs make more
>workers make less
>blame republicans
Stay retarded
this is actually one of the only rational points bernie has made.
>>55916546
>>55916553
Hivemind
>>55915657
Less regulations would fix it, right? That's the Republican solution to everything!
Don't pay any attention to that hand slipping a few grand in their pocket and jerking them off a bit, that had nothing to do with it.
>>55915835
Guess we should start paying presidents in millions too.
Thats more just a testament to how valuable a good CEO is.
Why is it such a problem that CEOs make more money? I don't get it.
>>55915657
>you feel entitled to other people's money
Jealous ? fuck off commie
>>55915657
Not really, the left constantly focuses on it and anyone that does not think it is a big deal is considered defending it.
>>55915657
if people cared they could all quit their jobs at the same time
they don't so why should i?
we reap what we sow. people could easily boycott these companies, quit their jobs (others vow not to work for them) etc etc etc.
you all deserve what you get
>>55918214
It isn't a problem. Many confuse the average worker not making enough with CEOs making to much, but that is bullshit.
>>55917342
>supply and demand is broken
rofl
>>55918116
The problem is that they only deregulate in areas that only affect well-established companies or particular industries, for all the talk about encouraging entrepreneurship nobody wants to take a look at business licenses and other forms of approval you need to start shit.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: lemonade stand crackdowns are a symptom of something seriously wrong with society and government.
There are about 35,000 McDonald's restaurants worldwide, 1.7 million employees, and 1 CEO.
The CEO makes $1.1 millions dollars a year. If he decided to work for free and split his salary amongst every employee, they would each get an extra 64 cents a year.
Why should the CEO make less money?
>CEO pay increasing rapidly in relation to average workers
>Muh CEOs deserve every penny
>>55915657
>the average CEO is 300x more valuable than the average worker
At McDonalds, the CEO needs to make strategic business decisions which can create or destroy billions of dollars of shareholder value. The average fry cook just needs to manage a deep frier
>>55918214
it's the proportion. they've always made more money. in the past it was like 50 times as much as the average worker, today it's 300 and that is completely unjustifiable.
no one is saying they shouldn't make more, they're just saying it's completely disproportionate
>>55915657
You dumbass.
You think because we're right wing we defend inequality?
Wrong MOTHERFUCKER!
In fact, we detest inequality.
What you don't realize is that your socialist fairy tales will only INCREASE inequality.
FUCKING DUMBASS. God damn you have been brainwashed.
>>55918338
Yes, because average workers have thousands of dollars spare to keep them and their families fed and housed whilst they quit their jobs.
>>55915657
No I attack him with emporer trumps tax plan.
Are liberals that willing to give up a great chance to deal with the growing wealth gap for a sanctimonious party under JUST their banner.
>Literal communism.
What is compensation? Salary? Salary with benefits? Are benefits just insurance and access to untaxed money?
Is the fact that a CEO has massive amounts of passive income, investments in his corp., and access to the resources of the Corp relevant to Bernie and included in the graph?
>>55917890
>jobs are going to immigrants
never really understood this
is unemployment really such a big problem in America?
>>55918556
see >>55917890
for why they're making more money. Demokeks brought it on themselves, they have no right to complain.
>>55918541
>The average fry cook just needs to manage a deep frier
They don't even need to do that, modern industrial frier's are self-managed.
>>55915657
>it's not fair other people make more than me
>>55915835
anyone who believes workers are justly paid is free to try it for a day.
>>55918434
Guess I am taking the bait, but care to explain why that is wrong? One of the core mechanics is that a decrease in price (wages) would lower the supply (workfoce). That dosn't happen after a certain point in the labor market because not all workers can be reschooled or moved to a place where supply for them is high.
So a certain control by the state is necessary
>>55915835
Carly Fiorina ruinned pretty much everything during his CEO tenure and still landed 100 million after the end of her contract.
Basically is the easiest shit ever and only jews will try to tell you otherwise.
"Oy vey goyim, our vork is harder than computer programming! Ve swear!"
>>55918655
that's a retarded argument. free trade and our open border policy started way before obongo.
there is a lot to blame obongo for, this isn't one of those things.
They get paid more today because they do more today. Companies are more diversified than ever before, and have more of a global presence than ever before. They require more expertise to manage.
anyone who thinks asking "would you like fries with that" means you should be living the good life is a dumb nigger
>>55915835
Your job isn't 300 times harder than anyone else's
>>55918647
Unfortunately, yes.
They claim our unemployment rate is only ~5% or less. In reality those statistics are only counting those on unemployment, meaning those who arent recieving gubermint funds arent even counted, its hard to say huge our unemployment rate actually is.
>>55915657
I don't give a shit what you backwards conservatives say. Bernster sticks up for the middle class and actually has a heart. His tax plan is actually revenue neutral, so he's not going to put us in debt either. He's the only candidate who gives a shit about global warming and understands that it affects terrorism. I genuinely don't see how you guys are so anti Bernie.
>>55915657
Information age folks... get used to it or stop buying manufactured products like computers and cars.
>CEO pay packets increasing by multiples, whilst lower workers pay stagnates.
>Must be the CEOs working harder!
>Remember, muh free market is perfect!
>>55918822
Go back to Reddit now.
>>55918907
nice try, need to desguise your b8 better
>>55918504
Now for Walmart.
$35 million salary for the CEO
2.2 million employees
$35 million/2.2 million=$16 extra dollars a year for employees.
How much does Bernie think CEOs should be paid? Nothing? An equal amount to the employees? A few million less?
>>55918855
if someone works 40 hours a week they should at least be able to afford somewhere to live and to be able to eat.
neocon good goys actually believe anyone who just wants enough money to not live paycheck to paycheck wants to live da gud lyfe.
>>55918805
thats not whats happening you retard
>massively increase supply of low skilled workers
>wages dont rise
No, its working just as predicted
>>55918153
Presidents get a decent salary on top of free transportation, housing in a mansion, around the clock security force, food, vehicles, and god knows what else all from the taxpayer. I think they're well compensated.
>>55918895
but if you're unemployed why wouldn't you receive bux?
is there any reason to believe the others are statistically significant
>>55918507
Makes sense. the average worker is getting browner and that makes a CEO job much harder
>>55915657
American people like stars, and main source of fiance for public companies in the US is stocks. So it's part of the PR to have a high earning CEO.
>>55918863
says who?
>>55918923
The idea that compensation should be based on ludicrous plebeian notions like "working harder" is absurd. Compensation scales with the utility of the position and the person filling it. If they work hard or don't work hard, the only thing that matters is how much value they bring.
>>55915657
I will not. But i'm a commie, so what you would expect?
>>55918822
The Immigration Act of 1965 which opened our borders to non-Whites was passed by Democrats.
Prior to that, immigrants to the US came almost exclusively from Northern Europe.
Democrats are to blame for our country's death. In 1960, the US was 85% White. Today? Whites are a minority in children under 5.
>>55918962
you go back to reddit you stupid newfag, and go read a book.
>>55917890
>2/3 of all new jobs created since Obama took office have gone to foreign-born people as a result
Source?
>>55919038
Youre only eligible for 6 months, I believe.
Afterwards, youre SOL.
But dont go to me about that, I havnt even found a job yet because they require years of experience here to get hired. (Incredibly picky, theyll only hire those with prior work experience, becuase high minimum wage)
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH PEOPLE HAVE MORE MONEY THAN MEEEEEEEEEE WHYYYYYYY WHYYYYYYY IS LIFE SO UNFAIR
These same cunts probably say things like 'money can't buy you love'
Walton family has more money than poorest 40% of Americans
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jul/31/bernie-s/sanders-says-walmart-heirs-own-more-wealth-bottom-/
>>55919170
Go back to Reddit now. You aren't fooling anyone.
>>55918863
>hard
it's about value you dumb fuck
>>55919184
Oi m8 strawman argumints arent allowed 'ere so piss off u cheeky kunt.
>>55918757
Done.
We're fairly paid.
>>55918757
L
O
L
live within your means faggot or get a better job its not that hard, stop voting for bigger government to wipe your butt you lazy frog
>>55919179
Forgot to add, if they dont include those not on unemployment, it makes our politicians look better.
>>55919159
free trade and open borders went hand in hand. the democrats and the republicans were in lockstep on both of these issues.
we were getting flooded by illegals 30 years ago and neither party did anything to stop it. you're a good goy if you don't think the republicans aren't just as responsible as the democrats
>>55918812
>woman being in charge
>not ruining everything
>pol confuses their hatred of jobless minorties and leeches with the fact the uber rich are bleeding the country dry
What if I told you, you can hate the poor AND the rich?
It's not mutually exclusive you dumb fucks
>>55915657
I want to know where all the Democrats calling for Obama to increase the minimum wage
Why hasn't he passed an executive order?
"Fifty years ago, when General Motors was the largest employer in America, the typical GM worker got paid $35 an hour in today’s dollars. Today, America’s largest employer is Walmart, and the typical Walmart workers earns $8.80 an hour."
>>55919184
good goy, remember the 0,1% got where they are with hard work and merit, there is absolutely no social problems in this day and age, this shit is pushed by leftists, and you don't like leftists, do you?
maybe one day, you too proud capitalist will get there!
ps : don't forget about trinkle economics :)
>>55918986
Always loved this one.
>>55919206
>multigenerational chain has a lot of money
wow
>>55919522
b-but muh infallible job creators can do no wrong!! muh free market will fix it!!
>>55919358
Are you a site worker or a burger flipper?
>>55919476
I don't give modern republicans any slack for this. They could've repealed the Immigration Act at any point over the last 50~ years. They didn't. And today, most of the republican nominees are saying we shouldn't deport the illegals.
There is no political party in the United States that truly has the White man's best interests at heart. I'm fully aware of this.
>>55919560
>expects to fuck sluts
>wanders around back alleys for a week
>>55919006
>if someone works 40 hours a week they should at least be able to afford somewhere to live and to be able to eat.
Why should they? Where can they not? Why can't they get roommates? Why can't they learn to budget better?
>>55919522
Progress
>>55919206
Saudi Arabia has more oil than Argentina. The Dutch are taller than Mexicans. Men are stronger than women. Dogs can lick their own balls.
Equality exists nowhere naturally. Stop trying to create it.
>>55915657
nobody complains about elon musk being a billionaire because he puts that money to good use.
why are we generalizing these people at the top when they pay 40% of the tax income and provide for your liberal welfare faggot ass.
>people on /pol/ literally arguing that burger flippers should make 100k a year
Did you fucks get lost on your way to /trash/?
>>55915835
I wouldnt say its harder, I would say it is indeed difficult, but from an accounting and business prespective, post sarbanes oaxley, CEOs are liable and accountable for everything, meaning a fuck up could send them to court or prison. Hence the bigger pay day, but even I would wager it might be a bit much....though considering top athletes and even coaches make the same amount Im not too sure about anything.
>>55919522
>people who make fucking cars get paid more than "Hello! Welcome to walmart! can I help you?"
>>55919173
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/oct/31/two-thirds-of-jobs-go-to-immigrants/?page=all
>>55919689
How come workers in the 1960s could afford a house, feed and clothe a wife and kids whilst doing a basic job?
>>55915657
Its supply and demand.
The average worker is just that....average.
People who can run a company successfully aren't as easy to find.
That is why professional athletes make more than teachers.
Pay isn't an assessment of being a good person, its a measurement of rare and valuable skills.
Nazis just don't get this.
>>55919689
>Why should they?
why should they work at all if they can't even eat and have a place to live if they work 40 hours?
>Where can they not
most urban places in the US.
>Why can't they get roommates?
i have no idea, ask them.
>Why can't they learn to budget better?
top kek. you try and budget with a $200 check. do you not understand how much housing, transportation, food, and toilet paper costs? have you ever lived by yourself?
People get paid based on how much they are worth. Fact is most people aren't worth that much.
>>55915657
>The average CEO creates nearly 300 times more value than the average worker.
ftfy
>>55919815
Carly Fiorina fucked up, made 30k HP employees jobless whilst awarding herself a pay rise.
>Muh infallable free market
>Muh completely accountable CEOs
>>55915657
>import third world shit skins
>depress "worker"'s wages
>complain that the boss who isnt replaceable by third world shit skin makes "x times more".
liberals will defend this.
>>55919875
You know very well that's because of immigration and feminism. Protip: when you suddenly force foreigners and half of your own population into the work force, you become less valuable.
>>55918507
>large corperations expanding into many markets beyond traditional domestic and european markets
>taking on more risk to bring more rewards to his companies
>he shouldn't be rewarded for bringing in millions and millions more in profits
Fact: Without people literally cleaning shit from the streets, society cannot possibly work, this also extends to a lot of other jobs that pay like shit and are looked down upon.
Fact: Since some jobs are mandatory for society to continue, some people will have to do them. Some people will have to be the ones who are forced to do this job.
Fact: "Get a better job" cannot possibly work for EVERYONE, it never was, and never will work. Our economic system depends on some people doing shit jobs for shit pay. Similarily, everyone may have the opportunity to become rich, but NOT ALL AT THE SAME TIME.
Therefor, the ONLY logical conclusion to draw from this, is for the government to intervene when capitalism gets out of hand. There MUST be a minimum wage that is a DECENT LIVING WAGE, if you insist to keep your pyramid scheme going, there is no alternative.
I don't care how you pay for this, if you cannot agree with the above, then you are literally defying logic and I don't want to argue with you anymore, because it's equally fruitless than to argue with someone who believes 1+3=blue whale.
>>55919875
Scarcity of employees.
But thanks to leftists like you, I've got MILLIONS of immigrants that will work for pennies.
YOU'RE the one that pushed for millions of immigrants, and NOW you want to be paid a "living wage?" Tippy Top Kek.
>>55919875
neocons literally are proud of regression. it's hilarious.
And your point is?
>>55919997
I work a minimum wage job right now and live alone in a two bedroom apartment with a car and a student loan. If something came up and I was really hurting for money, I could find a roommate and my cost of living would go down 30-40% easily.
>>55919938
Holy shit, being this retarded.
I bet you fap to pictures of Ayn Rand to.
>>55915835
Go ahead then, if it's that simple.
>>55916602
>I say 300 is too low
kek or CEO
>>55919544
>there are no problems with social hierarchy
Who said that?
The point is that most socialists are just greedy cunts.
>make decisions that make or break firms worth billions of dollars
>thinking that stockholders don't want the best possible leadership for the firm they invest in
>thinking that it's any of your business if you're not a stockholder
People who bitch about CEO pay deserve their position in life.
>>55919288
and all the workers in that company need someone to sit on their ass in an office doing nothing while collecting 90% of the profits for what now? what real value does a ceo have when i would bet damn near every single one of them couldnt actually function in a working position in their own company.
>>55915835
I'd agree if it were the CEO that grew the entire company. I don't think CEOs like Fiorina are owed 100m for driving a company into the ground, regardless of however high the risk.
If you take a high risk and fail by appropriate standards, why the hell should you get compensation? For trying?
>>55920038
CEO's don't directly produce any wealth. The wealth creators are those making the good/service. Management and upwards only facilitate this, yet reap the profits of the wealth creators, leading to stagnation of worker pay as the top cream off more and more.
>>55918757
If you aren't being fairly paid that's your fault for getting a shitty job.
>>55918757
I'm fine with my salary. The really unfair thing is the stupidly high cost of food, at least in scandinavia.
>>55919831
You think everyone who worked at General Motors helped make the cars?
You think everyone who works at Walmart just does cash register stuff?
Can anyone here justify why someone who works full-time doesn't deserve a living wage?
>>55920229
that's very little compared to top CEOs
>>55915657
No, only libertarian will defend it.
>>55915657
>CEO only becomes double of my income
ok
>>55915657
>thanks to that CEO more than 300 people have a job
>>55918617
lifes a pickle aint it
faggot
you can either be 100% moral, ethical, just etc etc. or you are not any of those terms
>>55916531
if you mean reinvested as in sitting in a bank account or being tied up in the stock market, then sure maybe. most of the money they make doesnt even get recirculated back into the economy, despite the lavish lifestyles most ceos have.
>>55920392
because free market is perfect
>>55920136
this is what elitists idiots who think their job is secure actually think.
they're so dumb they don't understand the basic concept of "the world needs ditch diggers". if all the blue collar workers/poor were gone, trash would be pilling up outside houses, people toilets would be broken with no one to fix them, cars wouldn't be fixed, you couldn't just go to the grocery store to pick up your food. society would literally collapse.
>>55920392
because in those 40 hours they do not create enough value to warrant increasing their wage
>>55918863
It becomes exponentially harder to people capable of harder jobs due to most people falling around average intellegence and thusly they are paid exponentially higher.
>>55920136
>Fact: Without people literally cleaning shit from the streets, society cannot possibly work, this also extends to a lot of other jobs that pay like shit and are looked down upon.
Good thing we have machines to do that now.
When was the last time you saw someone actually cleaning the street.
>Fact: Since some jobs are mandatory for society to continue, some people will have to do them. Some people will have to be the ones who are forced to do this job.
sure.
>Fact: "Get a better job" cannot possibly work for EVERYONE, it never was, and never will work. Our economic system depends on some people doing shit jobs for shit pay. Similarily, everyone may have the opportunity to become rich, but NOT ALL AT THE SAME TIME.
wrong. if people weren't retarded they could develop tons of better methods to accomplish all of those tasks. when you have shit tier jobs like picking up garbage and these people refuse to find new solutions to this problem, it's really just themselves that keep themselves in that shitty job. They simply hope someone else will do it for them.
>Therefor, the ONLY logical conclusion to draw from this, is for the government to intervene when capitalism gets out of hand. There MUST be a minimum wage that is a DECENT LIVING WAGE, if you insist to keep your pyramid scheme going, there is no alternative.
>hurr false dichotomy
0/10 bait
>>55920346
>proper allocation of resources doesn't create wealth
people making goods/services don't make wealth. they add value. value added is sold to generate income
>>55920568
Garbage men, plumbers, and mechanics all make well above minimum wage. Especially the latter two.
>>55916531
>Thinking trickle down economics is still somehow valid
Retard
>>55920346
>CEO's don't directly produce any wealth.
you just went full retard lel.
It's like saying bill gates or elon musk never produced wealth holy shit liberals are fucking retarded.
>>55920136
You do know street sweepers and garbage men make $18+ an hour to clean the shit in the steets
You also act like a 30 something year old is needed to do minimum wage job. There is always a never ending supply of new young people entering the job market.
>>55920392
>living wage
What does that even mean? You mean enough to feed and clothe themselves, or enough to have a flatscreen TV and a second car?
>>55920573
Except they do. Companies could easily afford to pay them more.
They just don't, because they can get away with it and become even richer instead.
Meanwhile the workforce have no choice but to work, because if they don't they starve. This is what things like the minimum-wage are put in place to protect the worker.
>>55920303
>make a couple of phone calls
>sit through a couple of meetings
muh ceo's are worth everything they make!!
>>55920609
>Good thing we have machines to do that now.
Toilet cleaning robots exist? Maintenance robots for working in the sewage exists? Garbage disposal robots exist? Robots who shuffle through crap at the trash power plant exist and can tell a silver plastic milk bag from aluminium foil exist?
You're retarded.
And even if literally all bad jobs had robots to replace them, what do you do with the millions of new unemployed people now?
>>55920136
>Fact: Without people literally cleaning shit from the streets, society cannot possibly work, this also extends to a lot of other jobs that pay like shit and are looked down upon.
Sure. Society works best when you have sewage, pest control, etc.
>Fact: Since some jobs are mandatory for society to continue, some people will have to do them.
Nothing is "mandatory." Open a history book, civilizations existed for tens of thousands of years without all the jobs you think are "mandatory."
>Some people will have to be the ones who are forced to do this job.
Slow down, Adolf. If those jobs are important, it's up to the people that do them to recognize they are valuable.
>Fact: "Get a better job" cannot possibly work for EVERYONE, it never was, and never will work.
It has ALWAYS worked. And in the modern day getting education and skill training is easier than it has ever been in the history of humanity. There's literally no excuse for being a low skill low paid worker.
>blah blah blah
>Therefor, the ONLY logical conclusion to draw from this, is for the government to intervene when capitalism gets out of hand.
Adolf at it again.
>There MUST be a minimum wage that is a DECENT LIVING WAGE, if you insist to keep your pyramid scheme going, there is no alternative.
Nope. If there are these "mandatory" jobs society cannot function without, let those worker figure out how to get paid to do them. They aren't slaves.
>I don't want to argue with you anymore,
Ah yes, agree with me completely or I'll run away. So you're both a commie and a coward.
>>55915657
The average nigger is also 300 times more likely to kill you than the average white.
>>55920274
Correction Nazis and Leprechauns don't get it
>>55920738
ding ding ding
the vast majority of people are morons.
Its not free market at all walmart and mcdonalds for instance have government incentive to hire as many people as possible and give them as few hours as possible. The issue isn't wage the issue is the amount of hours people get at these jobs because of government mandated benefits packages and subsidies for hiring low income people. If the employees aren't low income anymore the employer doesn't get that government rebate, how is that free market?
>>55920609
>Good thing we have machines to do that now.
>When was the last time you saw someone actually cleaning the street.
yesterday, a guy was riding that machine.
wrong. if people weren't retarded they could develop tons of better methods to accomplish all of those tasks. when you have shit tier jobs like picking up garbage and these people refuse to find new solutions to this problem, it's really just themselves that keep themselves in that shitty job. They simply hope someone else will do it for them.
Interesting, develop pls
>>55920681
>he thinks the only way wealth trickles down is through shekels
>he doesn't realize all the smart phones and computers he owns are a result of trickle down
Retard
>>55920529
>thanks to that CEO 300 illegals have a part time service job
FTFY
>>55918647
yep. too many companies will hire illegals for a 1/4th the pay (or less) instead of hiring legal americans, which is illegal. meanwhile our real unemployment rate is around 30 to 40%, just think about that for a minute and let it sink in.
>>55917890
Tweet that shit to Sanders so that at least one reader is redpilled.
>>55920750
>implying you could do a CEO's job
>>55920738
>You mean enough to feed and clothe themselves
Yes, as well as pay for shelter, gas, electricity.
>have a flatscreen TV and a second car?
A first car would be a far enough stretch for the majority of Walmart employees
>>55918863
no but they probably put 300x more work in over a lifetime
>>55920738
You ignorant fuck, it's 2015. Cell phones, internet, McDonald's and Netflix are all basic human needs. How can you possibly expect somebody to live frugally while they work a job that teenagers attending school can do just as well?
>>55915657
Jews centralize as a rule.
Jews attenuate class divisions as a rule.
Jews exploit social crisis concerns without ever doing anything about them as a rule.
Bernie Sanders talks about workers making more than their workers.
>>55920805
>Open a history book, civilizations existed for tens of thousands of years without all the jobs you think are "mandatory."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memphis_Sanitation_strike
Hi
That was only a thousand or so. You have NO idea how reliant we have become on those "not mandatory" jobs.
>>55920560
welp
it's not like free market was there when most important inventions were made
>>55920529
>thanks to that CEO more than 300 people lose their job, the stock price plummets, and he gets a shitload of money for leaving the company after leaving it in ruins
sounds fair
>>55920770
>Toilet cleaning robots exist? Maintenance robots for working in the sewage exists? Garbage disposal robots exist? Robots who shuffle through crap at the trash power plant exist and can tell a silver plastic milk bag from aluminium foil exist?
yeah bud they exist. they aren't as developed as we would want them too because the average retard thinks school is for nerds and shit so they barely help if at all when it comes to developing them.
>And even if literally all bad jobs had robots to replace them, what do you do with the millions of new unemployed people now?
if people weren't retards then people would be free to do tons of things, the main jobs would be general research, robot maintenance, entertainment.
I suggest you all educate yourself by reading this book by the world's leading economist.
>>55920913
Why don't they just pool resources with their family, like poor, uneducated plebs have been living for millennia?
>>55919038
unless your a single mother, or a minority, the hand outs dry up and they expect you to politely lay down in the streets and starve to death while being homeless if you cant find work.
literally
>>55920913
>A first car would be a far enough stretch for the majority of Walmart employees
Do you know why that is? It has nothing to do with their wages, if you're wondering.
>>55920903
How the hell do you tweet that with its 150-character limit?
>>55921088
IT'S TWENTY FIFTEEN
>>55919689
In 1960, 9.7 million Americans were foreign born. That was 5.3% of the total population.
In 2010, 39.9 million Americans were foreign born. That was 12.9% of the total population.
In 1950, 29.6% of the workforce was women.
In 2000, 46.6% of the workforce was women.
As the other person said, immigration and feminism is why we can't have nice things.
>>55921059
>people deserve my wealth because they are alive
>>55920805
>Open a history book, civilizations existed for tens of thousands of years without all the jobs you think are "mandatory."
By that logic we shouldn't need modern medicine advancement
pls go live in Africa or smth
>>55920738
enough to afford health care, a place to live that isn't a shed in the ghetto, and food, and maybe a little left over for entertainment if they budget right.
I mean this for a single person. I worked a minimum wage job, part time and couldn't afford to pay rent + utilities every month and that was all I had to pay for because my parents helped me out. I can't imagine people who don't have the help I do. It's insane to think people should work 3 jobs just to afford the basic things needed to survive. Its not like I live in a super expensive apartment either its one of the cheapest ones I could find in my area.
>>55920913
>A first car would be a far enough stretch for the majority of Walmart employees
it's actually worse than this. the majority of employers in the US won't actually hire you if you don't own a car, and once they do they won't actually pay you enough to keep the car or your home.
>>55920960
lol low quality bro
step it up
>>55921169
DUDE WEED LMAO
>>55920273
your flag tells me that you dont know shit about living in america m8
>>55921050
You are so hilariously uninformed it hurts to even look at your post.
Where is all this extra researcher staff coming from? Not everyone can do that, we have millions of people without a job right now but you LITERALLY think they could just walk into a tech company right now and get a job?
Hilarious
>>55921200
>I can't imagine people who don't have the help I do
Why don't you live with your parents, then?
>>55920907
if properly trained i probably could. do you think a ceo could fix his car? he probably couldn't even replace the gutters on his house
>>55921166
"If Dems didn't flood the country with immigrants, _____________________"
>>55918556
>CEOs get paid to lead company
>companies do mergers
>don't need two CEOs after the merger
>One CEO is now leading a much larger company and is likely compensated for it while the other is no long a CEO for the purposes of averages
>worker average remains, CEO average increases
>>55915835
>people born in the right families deserve to earn more than you
Wow didnt know some people in the westeren world still believed this
>>55921011
Nice false cause. The enlightenment and subsequent quickening of the pace of progress was nothing to do with the free market, rather freedom from feudalism. Most people who made great advances in fields like science hardly profited.
>>55921190
>I deserve all this wealth because I was born earlier so I was able to take the good jobs and good resources.
Pretty stupid that someone could buy property for 10 dollars now charge me 100 dollars a month to live there. *
*numbers aren't real just examples.
How come Leftists always go after CEOs, who are highly educated and experienced professionals, but never go after actors and musicians who are generally airheads? These people earn outrageous amounts of money for doing very little.
Oh that's right, because most actors and musicians are the Leftists whining about CEOs lol.
>>55919875
Because they didn't need to compete with 1 billion workers in China doing the exact same job for a fraction of the pay
>>55921200
>I mean this for a single person. I worked a minimum wage job, part time and couldn't afford to pay rent + utilities every month
Define "part time."
How much did you clear each week after taxes?
>>55921312
>Where is all this extra researcher staff coming from? Not everyone can do that, we have millions of people without a job right now but you LITERALLY think they could just walk into a tech company right now and get a job?
>Not everyone can do that
you are now aware that it's actually the poor fags fault for saying HURR FUCK SCHOOL SHITS FOR NERDS DURR.
if people weren't retards, and that's a very big IF, then we would be living a near utopia right now as robots would be incredibly well developed and capable of doing nearly everything that needs to be done.
with all the basic things taken care of by robots and improved methods of production, there would be no need for anyone to do those lower level jobs and people would be able to focus on pure research to advance human knowledge among other things.
too bad that is not the case, poor fags stay poor for a REASON, it's not by pure accident.
>>55921137
I was just making the point that Walmart employees are paid basically less than the bare minimum. Is there something I'm missing on the subject of car ownership?
>>55921088
>Why don't poor people just spend less
You're missing the point entirely.
>>55921346
The training and experience are why they are paid so well. A CEO isn't just a warm body in a suit.
>>55920106
>>55920106
why should i praise someone for making himself millions more by exploiting another whole store of workers. it doesnt help me or reward me in the slightest.
>>55915657
Honest question OP and supporters
If you get the job offer of becoming a CEO with such high pay, do you refuse?
>>55921530
Now you're saying we would simply pay people for existing? Because if that "utopia" as you describe it was reality, we'd have an unemployment rate on a scale never seen before.
>>55921319
Because my dad remarried and has some half shitskins living in the house that terrorize me. So I make sacrifices to live on my own. I wish I could live with him. I am not complaining about the money because I can afford to live on my own just barely because my dad helps me. If he didn't I would be fucked that's my point. People who don't have help and are forced to live on their own for whatever reason are fucked. If you have a family though and still work a minimum wage job and cant afford to raise them that is your fault.
>>55921419
>Oh that's right, because most actors and musicians are the Leftists whining about CEOs lol.
No, it's because actors aren't directly responsible for the wage of underpaid actors
Anyway, I don't go after the CEO's, I go after the government for allowing this to happen.
>>55921394
>what is fire
>what are stone tools
>what are bows and spears
>jealous of CEOs making more money than you
>doesn't become a CEO
>>55921530
>6 billion scientists is the solution
what am I reading
>>55921530
>you are now aware that it's actually the poor fags fault for saying HURR FUCK SCHOOL SHITS FOR NERDS DURR.
there are tons of people graduating from school, some with phds even, that are having trouble finding jobs. the issue isn't a shortage of education or willing individuals.
>>55920991
This post only proves my point. Those with valuable "mandatory" jobs figured out how to get paid. Whether it's strikes or unions, in spite of big daddy government, they changed their working conditions.
Why would you post something that directly disproves your previous arguments?
>>55921195
>we shouldn't need modern medicine advancement
It's an integral part of modern society, but this guy is one step away from saying "Doctors are needed, let's slap slave collars on them all to ensure we always have enough." And for the record, humanity existed for hundreds of thousands of years without "modern medicine advancement." I don't want to go back to those times, but saying "we need it" isn't strictly true.
>>55918757
i worked as a dishwasher all through uni (just graduated this year) and most of my colleagues were OVERPAID. they managed to maintain weed and cigarette filled lifestyles with all the latest videogames while lazily killing locally owned restaurants through stock losses. shit was really sad, to see my bosses struggle to get into these knuckleheads the idea that their paycheck is dependent on a restaurant making money. my bosses at one of the restaurants i worked at would work 80 hour work weeks to keep their business afloat, basically to employ a bunch of angry overpierced cooks and bimbo waitresses employed. the chef was nice there, at least. and i was thoroughly compensated with minimum wage for loading and unloading a metal box,
>>55921617
But the people who do work would be paid significantly higher than the rest, thus there would be motivation to work/professionalise.
>>55920337
its like the "no one is a loser, were all winners" mentality usually used for kids aged in the single digits, but for the wealthy upper class. literal spoiled and delusional children for the most part.
>>55921561
loaded question fallacy
>Most people think stealing is bad
>If you found $250 on the floor, would you keep it or hand it in?
>If you keep it, you can't say stealing is wrong!
>>55915657
There is nothing to defend.
It's just the way things are.
Some people are good at amassing fortunes; some people are good at pouring beer.
>>55920899
>30 to 40%
but that's wrong
>>55921617
>Now you're saying we would simply pay people for existing? Because if that "utopia" as you describe it was reality, we'd have an unemployment rate on a scale never seen before.
There would still be jobs you faggot, what part of that do you not understand.
It's painfully obvious that you're in the category of people that thought school was for nerds n shit so now you're paying the price.
there would be tons of jobs in research to advance human knowledge, there would be tons of jobs in developing space infrastructure in order for robots to operate in space and mine asteroids.
tons of jobs in entertainment.
tons of jobs in healthcare.
even if you're unemployed, everything will be dirt cheap so it won't even matter as robots will farm food very well and you have to work maybe a couple of hours to clean the machine that picks your crops.
>>55918507
>as risk increases so does reward
>but das unfair, punish success and risk, workers unite
>>55921539
>You're missing the point entirely.
No, I'm not. People want to have a lifestyle that the natural market doesn't allow for. If they didn't have the ability to vote, they couldn't elect to have the government take my income for their sake.
>>55921647
I guess you're fucked, then, you gutter rat.
>>55920738
at this point i would like if a living wage meant being able to afford an electric scooter to take around, but it cant even afford that let alone a gas powered car. flatscreen tvs are like 60 to 80 bucks if you hawk sales, not even a luxury at this point.
>>55921732
>there are tons of people graduating from school, some with phds even, that are having trouble finding jobs. the issue isn't a shortage of education or willing individuals.
many of those people just got pushed through the system so their degree is about as useful as toilet paper.
if they really did learn things at school then they need to put them to good use and develop new improved methods of doing everyday things.
if not then that degree really didn't do much.
there are tons of jobs out there right now but they're hidden as they involve creating something that does not exist.
>>55921812
>as a dishwasher
I stopped there, sorry
In french, worker is more akin to refer to what I think you call site worker in english.
I'm talking about the people who break their back 9-17 for the nation's sake, not the burger flipper at KFC
>>55921930
if they didn't have the right to vote they'd just take your income by gunpoint instead
>>55921539
>I was just making the point that Walmart employees are paid basically less than the bare minimum.
Their wages don't matter at walmart theyre raising them to 10 an hour and people will still be broke.
Walmart has government incentive to hire as many people as possible. If walmart needs 1000 manhours a day it is better for walmart to have 500 people working 2 hours than having 100 people work 10 hour shifts.
As soon as you become fulltime at walmart they are legally required to start pumping you full of expensive benefits programs which is why most walmart/mcdonalds/other mass employers keep a hugely bloated staff and keep as many as possible under the fulltime hours plateau.
Their raising the hourly wage 2 bucks which sounds nice but because walmart is smarter than lawmakers it will have little to no impact on the majority of their workers.
Those without cars will still be without cars, those who cant make rent still wont make rent.
>>55915657
Bernie Sanders is going to raise minimum wage and raide taxes for the wealthy CEOs. Wealthy people are just gonna fire everyone, sell their businesses, and leave the country with their billions secured in foreign banks. Then, to gib free college and healthcare to the poor people, Bernie is gonna raise taxes for the middle class until they decide to leave too. Then the US is gonna be full of high school dropouts, liberal arts majors, mexicans, and Muslim refugees.
>>55921906
>It's painfully obvious that you're in the category of people that thought school was for nerds n shit so now you're paying the price.
top kek. are you a time traveler from the 50's? every child is told from birth that they have to go to college or they will be a blue collar loser.
>>55921906
...
>>55921414
>Pretty stupid that someone could buy property for 10 dollars now charge me 100 dollars a month to live there. *
Hey, commie, how bout this: Don't actually pay it.
There, I just solved your dilemma.
See, if I buy a 10 dollar piece of property and charge $100,000,000,000 per minute in rent, what business is it of yours if I get paid?
>b-but it's unfair!
You should focus on all those democrat/leftist regulations keeping YOU from buying 10 dollar properties, not on the rates at which people rent them out.
>>55915657
>muh CEOs earned it, CEOs are special snowflakes, no one could fuck my ass as hard as my CEO, please fuck my wife too
Why are capitalist apologists such kucks? Wanting some reform on ridiculous pay structures isn't communism, but keep prepping your bulls masters telling you their work is 5000% as valuable as yours and that if you suck them off long enough you'll be one of them too. Top klucks
>>55921813
Than what rest? Remember, in his vision of the future robots made all shit jobs obsolete. This also means that your research grade job will now do you basically minimum wage because companies will sheckel you more and increase the cost of living.
>>55921906
see above, you accomplished nothing. Stop listening to pol for economics.
>>55920529
>thanks to that ceo 600 people are working part time on minimum wage and still collect food stamps and another fair amount collect section 8 because they literally cannot afford to live.
how benevolent.
>>55922034
>there are tons of jobs out there right now but they're hidden as they involve creating something that does not exist.
it was real in my mind
>>55921930
>People want to have a lifestyle that the natural market doesn't allow for.
>lifestyle
No, they just want to be able to make enough to live. Companies are barely giving them that even though they could, easily, with the CEOs still making seven figures a year.
>>55915657
I defend this, but to a certain extent. Most of these CEOs take "small" base salaries so that is taxed very little then get paid mostly in bonuses and stock options and the like. While I don't think the amount their paid is unjust, the way they are avoiding paying taxes it fucked up. Thats why we need to get rid of those loop holes
>>55921679
>Everyone can be a CEO
>>55922088
>top kek. are you a time traveler from the 50's? every child is told from birth that they have to go to college or they will be a blue collar loser.
too bad the morons don't take that advice or get useless degrees rather than something USEFUL that can advance humanity.
im sure those gender studies degrees are going to help automate trash processing.
>>55921550
>exploiting
There's that word again.
>>55922073
I can't wait for the happening.
>>55921296
yeah housing is disgustingly cheap in america...cost of living in america is wayyyy cheaper than canada
get fucked retard
Trade unions used to help level the playing field, but surprise surprise the corporate-owned political system has crushed the unions
>Political system saturated with corporate interests and donors
>Conservatards / Ayn Rand fags believing that everyone is on equal footing
>>55921524
25 hours a week that's how much they would give me any more and I would have to be given health care God forbid.
Probably around 600 - 800 a month. Rent is around $550 and utilities were $100. Leaves me with around $100 a month for food and anything else I needed. I am going to school to get a better paying job but should I not be able to afford the bare minimum as a college student?
I work for a mid sized bank. Our CFO is responsible for a $6 billion balance sheet (that is $6 billion on the asset side, and $6 billion of liabilities + equity), as well as $250 million of annual non-interest expense. A teller on the other hand has to manage a cash drawer with maybe $500. Who's performance have a greater impact on profitability of the firm?
I fucked up a wire transfer the other day, which was returned less a $50 wire fee. No big deal. We just sent the wire out again. On the other hand, a teller would get shit canned if their drawer came back $50 short at the end of the day.
>>55920609
i literally see people cleaning the street everyday i leave my house, but i live in a city and that is a much needed job around here.
>>55922206
>Than what rest? Remember, in his vision of the future robots made all shit jobs obsolete. This also means that your research grade job will now do you basically minimum wage because companies will sheckel you more and increase the cost of living.
0/10 bait.
everything will be dirt cheap so that minimum wage will have the purchasing power of what millionaires today have.
>>55922208
go back 12 years and you would have never been able to find a job listing for UBER.
now back to the present, it's a huge innovation to the taxi industry and it's just a fucking android app.
>>55922193
they're retards. they actually think they might become a CEO or rich someday.
delusions of grandeur basically
It's an indication that something's fucked up, but people like Colonel Sanders are ignoring the underlying causes and using it to push policies that are going to cause bigger problems.
This comes from globalism, excessive legal and illegal immigration and guest workers, and government interference in the economy, not insufficient progressiveness and lack of government interference in the economy.
Trillion-dollar bailouts are now the norm, since ludicrous tax law pushed for mergers in a previously competitive economy until we have huge too-big-to-fail conglomerates. Foreigners are crowded in to depress wages, while corporations are not penalized in any way for moving factories and jobs to oppressive and corrupt foreign countries rented out by their masters as slavepits and pollution toilets.
CEOs are hired and paid richly, not for their management skills, but for their connections in government which let them dance around regulations, dodge taxes, and extract subsidies, as graft for the investors to be permitted to turn money into more money by hook or by crook.
This shit needs to be fixed. This clown doesn't want to fix it.
>>55916602
holy fuck. you underage kids literally worship the ground these people walk on. fucking pathetic.
>>55922238
>enough to live
Minimum wage is more than enough to live. If it wasn't, illegals would starve to death. What people want is the perks of an income that is beyond their personal value.
>>55922239
>the way they are avoiding paying taxes
They pay 85% of all of America's taxes you socialist faggot
>>55920723
>>>55920136
>You also act like a 30 something year old is needed to do minimum wage job. There is always a never ending supply of new young people entering the job market.
Funny how its still the 45+ age bracket that is growing the most in terms of job growth, its almost like kids these days are fucking stupid, oldfags don't want to give up the old boys club or both.
>>55922179
so just live in the street? When ever place cost 1000 dollar a month in rent I don't really have a choice do I?
>>55922402
>everything will be dirt cheap
How? Do you know the MOST BASIC thing about economic principles? The things will be MORE EXPENSIVE, because PEOPLE HAVE FUCKING LOTS OF MONEY SUDDENLY.
If people can afford 10 bucks for a loaf of bread, then THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT IT WILL COST
Congratulations, you did it.
>>55922193
people have the power
they don't need the government
i said it earlier and it still stands
every walmart employee could quit and beg people to not take a job there
every business person working for scraps under a CEO could do the same
people could band together and boycott these companies or do as above.
But you all do nothing except complain and gibsmedat
fuck off and do something or nothing will ever change. I promise you that much
>>55921669
>actors aren't directly responsible for the wage of underpaid actors
They literally are. Actors have a union that sets their rates.
So any underpaid actors (which the disparity between AAA actors and day players is very similar to CEO vs. worker) is the direct responsibility of their union leadership.
He's right and you're wrong, the only real difference between "overpaid" CEOs and "overpaid" Actors is that actors are lefties so it's cool, breh.
>>55922405
>>55922430
ass blasted liberal faggots who try and justify their degree in art.
then they get angry when other people do better because they actually do USEFUL things that contribute to society.
protip: those billionaires you hate actually pay 40% of the tax base and fund your welfare programs that you use.
>>55922433
each illegal gets $300/mo just from food stamps alone son, they aren't only getting paid from their stolen jobs
>>55922296
Back to leftypol with you, socialist.
People like you were the ruin of this country. I bet you voted in the Labour party a second time in Rotherham.
>>55916602
>workers
>useless
>>55922487
>How? Do you know the MOST BASIC thing about economic principles? The things will be MORE EXPENSIVE, because PEOPLE HAVE FUCKING LOTS OF MONEY SUDDENLY.
-1/10 bait.
what's expensive about robots farming crops? price will go down massively because of the high supply and incredibly low cost to run the automated farms.
and don't try to argue this won't happen, it's already happened and it's the reason food is dirt cheap right now.
>>55922356
Carly Fiorina fucked up at HP and cost 30,000 employees their jobs
>Awarded herself a payrise
Please tell me more about how CEO pay is directly linked to performance
>>55917499
Part is being in the right place at the right time and luck.
>>55922267
>too bad the morons don't take that advice or get useless degrees rather than something USEFUL that can advance humanity.
top kek. you're assuming everyone of these people has an IQ of 140.
>im sure those gender studies degrees are going to help automate trash processing.
so you blame the people who got conned into wasting their money on these courses, instead of blaming the schools who offer this useless shit just to steal peoples money?
>>55922644
-10/10
Learn what inflation means, retard.
>>55916553
How is a human with more money have more value than a poorer person?
>>55916531
That's the problem. Workers on average spend their money much more quickly than the upper class, thus stimulating the economy more than CEOs do. You say CEOs reinvest their money to create more jobs. But if the money never left the company it would already be invested. Your arguments are invalid.
>>55922662
they fired her.
she gained some money but really she's made herself unemployable.
she's just going to slowly burn through whatever she has left until her and her family is broke unless she can make herself useful.
>>55922472
>Funny how its still the 45+ age bracket that is growing the most in terms of job growth
They can't afford to retire, it makes a lot of sense. And most places would rather hire somebody with experience than a 16 year old looking for his first job.
The minimum wage needs to be abolished for u18s with possibly an hours cap in place.
>Do shitty in school
>do shitty in college if you even go there
>don't apply for voluntary work experience or apprenticeships
>get shitty job
>do a shitty job at that shitty job
>"WAHHH, GIVE ME 15 DOLLARS AN HOUR! COLONEL SANDERS PLS HELP, I NEED MONEY FOR MY CIGARETTE HABIT AND MY SMARTPHONE"
American millennials are the most entitled pieces of shit ever.
>>55922440
>They pay 85% of all of America's taxes you socialist faggot
>have more money
>pay more taxes
>BE GREATFUL PEASENT
next thing you are going to tell me is I should submit to the will of the king because he pays for knights to protect us... even though it's our money to begin with.
>>55918291
And you call leftists emotion-based? Jesus Christ.
There are about the same amount of CEOs in america as there were fifty years ago but they now control more employees. The same amount of money is going to all CEOs theres just less of them.
>>55922521
No.
The union of actors is more comparable to well, trade unions in companies.
The people ACTUALLY responsible for the wages of business workers is the management of the company, and the people ACTUALLY responsible for the payment of actors are in the networks/studios.
The unions are just an attempt at balancing the pay and making it fair; they never completely work.
>>55922293
and thats why the lowest rent in my shitty ghetto city is at 960 a month. sure is affordable when your bringing home 200 bucks a week after taxes. your an idiot and trying to talk about living in places you have never even been to. literally just making shit up and calling people retards when they correct you.
>>55922293
>yeah housing is disgustingly cheap in america
you're obviously retarded. a one bedroom apartment in bethesda MD or NW DC starts at like $2000 a month.
>>55922715
>top kek. you're assuming everyone of these people has an IQ of 140.
you don't need an IQ of 140, you just need to focus and have discipline, something liberal faggots rarely have.
>so you blame the people who got conned into wasting their money on these courses, instead of blaming the schools who offer this useless shit just to steal peoples money?
I blame both, good try though.
>>55922746
you know you're wrong and now you're just spouting buzz words.
you tried I guess.
>>55922807
FUCKING THIS
>>55922193
Why do you hate freedom, anon?
Start a business if you want to change the system. Then you decide what anybody gets paid.
>>55922541
>ass blasted liberal faggots who try and justify their degree in art.
i make 120k a year as a VP in sales for a software company.
try again you fucking NEET trumpfag.
but go on, keep guzzling that billionaire semen. i'm sure it'll "trickle down" your chin just the way you like it
>>55922822
>the rich pay 85% of America's taxes
>"it's our money"
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>>55918367
Take a look at a working class area or inner city.
>>55922244
>everyone deserves to be paid like CEO
No half of /pol/ knows it depends on the company, they wouldn't defend Loyd Blankfein but they probably would speak up for that Tesla car's CEO
>>55922894
Nah, you're just uneducated and don't know how the real world works. I am in fact working in research, so just please, don't tell me how things work and then explain everything wrong.
>>55922807
>going to school to get a better job
>wants a job that pays the equivalent of the pay that our parents got.
>entitled.
I don't think you know what that word means britbong
>>55922888
>>55922887
why do you live in such shitty cities then
I see 3000 square foot homes in america for like 200K
Yes that's disgustingly cheap. that buys a shack in most areas here
>>55922959
>i make 120k a year as a VP in sales for a software company.
>120k a year
>VP
nice try bud.
Amerifags are so kuked by the corporate-owned political propaganda machine they actually believe that it's fine that almost all wealth creation since 2008 has gone to the top 10%.
Then again momma and papa are paying for them to sit in the basement fapping to Atlas Shrugged and shitposting about niggers on the internet
>>55915835
It's easy because most CEO's usually come from affluent backgrounds. Less class struggle.
>>55922484
>When ever place cost 1000 dollar a month in rent I don't really have a choice do I?
When every place costs 1000 dollars a month, that figure becomes a component of what we call that the "cost of living."
If an area has a high cost of living it's up to you as the employee to find a job that compensates you for that high cost, or move.
>I can't move
That's really not a problem in the modern world. A hundred years ago mobility might have been a problem, but I've lived in 6 states, it takes NOTHING to move about the world today.
The fact of the matter is that some places are expensive to live in e.g. new york, LA, etc. And if you look at any metric, the jobs in those areas pay more than they would anywhere else to compensate. But if you still feel like you're not being compensated enough, that's why places like Texas are booming.
>someday the world will fill up and I'll have no place to move to!
I'm not going to argue science fiction. Affordable housing exists, if you're mad that some places are pricey, I literally have nothing more for you other to explain again that you should be pissed that you can't buy and develop your own property due to lefty regulations.
>>55922402
there would be no uber at all if it didn't cost literally a million dollars to register one cab for business.
people literally used to be able to slap a sticker on the side of their car and be a cab driver. thanks to all the regulations your neocons and democrats have written, that's literally impossible today unless you're already a millionaire.
>>55922805
>The minimum wage needs to be abolished for u18s with possibly an hours cap in place.
That'll go over as well as a 10 o-clock curfew would. You'll need the curfew just to get the burning cars off the streets.
>>55918562
>socialist fairy tales
>brainwashing
>>55923008
>GO BECOME A CEO YOURSELF
>Wait, but not all of you, that doesn't work
>The majority of you, go back to being a peasant
Shit argument
>>55922807
>Be born in shitty area
>Go to shitty school
>Can't apply to college because tuition fees
>No opportunities for experience or apprenticeships
>Get a shitty job
>Can't afford apartment
>Can't afford computer
>Don't have time for extra study because already working 50 hours a week
>Can the minimum wage be raised so I can have a fair opportunity at life?
>NO YOU ENTITLED COMMIE
>>55923030
>has no argument
>muh anecdotes
>hurr I work in research
>"research"
ass blasted nigger gtfo.
>Reach the top of your game
>Have very little job security if shit goes south
>Thousands of employees livelihood depends on you making good decisions
Anyone made about this is a fucking retard
>>55922662
Notice how she hasn't been CEO since being fired by HP
Truth is, she probably helped delay HP's inevitable decline and preserved at least some value for shareholders.
>>55923111
It's so ironic coming from mr stormfag edgemeister who propably unironically thinks the world works the way it does.
History proves you wrong time and time again, mr little one.
>>55920556
What do you think the stock market is?
>>55923038
i make below average as it is a small company, though we make business software for supply chain forecasting so we do well
https://www.google.com/#q=vp++of+sales+average+salary
not that it matters to this argument. what is it that you do? high school senior?
>>55923055
>there would be no uber at all if it didn't cost literally a million dollars to register one cab for business.
that's not the only problem with the taxi industry but even if this were the case this is a very ignorant statement to make.
it's very difficult to determine what the taxi market would be if jews didn't exist. we might even have robotic cars to drive us around at 20 cents a mile.
>people literally used to be able to slap a sticker on the side of their car and be a cab driver. thanks to all the regulations your neocons and democrats have written, that's literally impossible today unless you're already a millionaire.
It's called getting off your ass and fixing the problem rather than being a NEET faggot who complains about muh 1%.
>>55923110
>>Can't apply to college because tuition fees
Loans exist
Military exists
>>No opportunities for experience or apprenticeships
most skilled trades will pretty much pay you on the job to learn
>>55923048
So I have to transfers unis just because the only job I can find doesn't help pay for the minimum cost of living? Seems kinda insane in my opinion. Not asking for a huge apartment or anything I just think if I want to live the minimum cost of living the minimum wage should be able to afford it.
>>55923092
>can't bake a cookie
>so nobody can bake cookies
>>55923014
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>>55922850
Maybe in frogland, but in burgertopia unions negotiate their salaries directly.
Sure, a business could turn down the bargain, but then they risk a strike that could collapse the company. At no point is a business that is negotiating with a union free to pay workers whatever they want. That's the whole point of the union, to set rates and bargain for benefits.
>>55923045
That's basically 100% thanks to obama flooding the stock market with stimulus bucks.
You got fooled by bernie's misleading statistic.
>>55921390
Of course they deserve it, because they have very likely better genes than you from their successful parents which enable them to be good entrepreneurs as well.
If you would restrict that children can inherit a company then this would lead to a catastrophe and probably collapse of the company.
Also, you cannot lead a company successfully if you are not competent.
>>55923110
>"I deserve a fair chance b-because I just do okay"
Life's not fair, cunt. Deal with it.
The weak and stupid get left behind, that's how the fucking world works, If you're that fucking desperate, join the military and specialize in a trade, the army never turns away a willing volunteer.
Oh wait, I forgot.
"THE ARMY OPPRESSES POOR MUSLIMS JAMAL PLEASE FUCK MY ASS"
>>55923036
>bethesda MD, and NW DC
>shitty cities
top kek. like i said, you're retarded.
>>55915657
>be senator
>complain about CEOs
The irony is palpable
>>55915657
The average senator makes 10 times what the average working class person does.
>>55922063
Then you didn't read the graph properly
>>55920346
Would you say that Zuckerjew has no value? That he didn't create wealth with his Facebook idea?
Would you say that Gates has no value? That he didn't create wealth with Microsoft?
You don't seem to understand how this works Muhammad. The CEO didn't get there by snapping his/her fucking fingers.
He/she had to work hard to make a successful business. He/she probably failed half a dozen times (most just fail altogether), but then one day they finally got the formula right, and the profits started rolling in. This allowed for expansion, which then allowed for more employment, and so on and so on until he/she has now created job opportunities for hundreds of individuals that previously did not exist.
These people now have a job, they make good money, and they do their part to contribute to the business which then contributes to them. Those workers do have value, but at the end of the day they aren't the ones who created the framework, and they aren't the ones who are facilitating that creation of wealth through the framework. CEOs are simply much more valuable than their employees because of this, and that's why you won't see many CEOs with the same wage as say a secretary, who while important simply hasn't created something of such great value compared to the CEO.
>People get paid more than other people
>>55923284
>See tasty cookies
>YOU CAN'T HAVE THAT
>GO MAKE YOUR OWN
>Everyone tries making their own
>Society collapses
Not everyone can be a CEO, that "you should become a CEO yourself" is entirely invalid, end of argument.
>>55919054
>race politics
Trashed
>>55923208
>no argument again
>spouts something about muh history even though historically food has been getting cheaper and cheaper over time
fuck off retard.
>>55923243
come back when you've created a billion dollar company pls.
until then stop acting like you know anything about managing one.
now watch as your small shitty company gets anally devastated by people who actually know what they're doing, if you're even a VP at all.
>>55923276
>Loans exist
>Military exists
>In order to receive a college education, you must either place yourself in debt your whole life or join the military and likely get shot
>most skilled trades will pretty much pay you on the job to learn
More and more companies are refusing paid internships in favour of unpaid "internships" where no useful skills are actually gained and are complete dead ends.
Also rather than complaining why they don't make enough money they really should be looking at why is everything so expensive.
>>55923391
DC is shit
mate you're complaining that you want to live in a wealthy area and that it's too expensive
jesus gibsmedats are fucking retarded.
live within your means or don't complain
>>55915657
And how many CEOs are there in the US?
Like one i everyone 100 000 citizen?
Stop designing your political standpoints around one-in-a-million exceptions to the norm.
>>55923455
>giving your delicious cookies to people you don't even fucking know just because they want it.
I bet you were that kid who demanded that Chad give you his chocolate milk in the lunch hall and then he kicked your fuck in in front of your janitor dad
>>55922887
Do you live alone?
Something a lot of Americans don't understand is that most of the rest of the world doesn't do that. Kids stay with their parents all the way up to their 30's or maybe even 40's and multiple generations will live in the same home.
One of the reasons housing seems so expensive in the US (especially cities) is because everyone insists on having their own home.
Also, our room sizes are huge compared to much of the rest of the world.
Again, Americans have it way better than they think they do.
>>55922356
are you implying bank tellers make minimum wage anon?
>>55923470
Foods has been getting cheaper and poverty has increased, meaning that relatively speaking, food has never been this expensive.
Ask the people in north africa who can't even afford the bottled water they sell there anymore.
Society isn't just YOU and 5 of your friends, fuckface, you are wrong, period, end of discussion.
>>55923455
>>Everyone tries making their own
>>Society collapses
itt: German fantasies about economy
also
>gibmedats
>>55923371
>Life's not fair
So you admit that there are many people in America who do not have the opportunities to be successful? You admit that the system is broken?
I know fuck CEOS. I mean we should just gave like the government regulate everyone's pay man!!!! the government ALWAYS does a good job on whatever they touch xD I can't wait to afford my phone bill now and internet :D
>>55923162
>>Have very little job security if shit goes south
job security isn't shit when you have a nice big account to fall back on, and lets be serious here, a former CEO will be able to find another job easily.
go tell the blue collar workers who's jobs have been stolen by mexicans, at the behest of certain corporations about job security.
>>55923611
Nice non-argument fagtron
>>55922765
Because humans always value humans who have power higher than other humans. Our society will always be a pyramid no matter how we present it.
So the average jew gets paid more ....yeah great.
>>55919700
False equivalency and appeal to nature - all in one post!
>>55919815
Ha ha ha
What does LLC stand for? Do you really think CEO's are literally ever held legally accountable for their actions?
CEO is a hard job, but don't act like the invisible hand of the free market cuts their checks, or like they are in any way at risk of being punished for breaking the law (except tax evasion).
>>55923451
>He/she
Spotted the Jew
be CEO
hire wageslaves, who accept the terms of their employment.
they start complaining CEO makes to much.
then DON'T FUCKING work for them or DON'T FUCKING buy their shit.
Is your goddamn fault they make so much, you work for them and/or you buy their stuff.
>>55923280
>So I have to transfers unis just because the only job I can find doesn't help pay for the minimum cost of living?
Sounds like it. I don't see how that sounds "insane" in any way. Mainly because I can strip away the unnecessary details in your statement.
Let's focus:
>the only job I can find doesn't pay for my cost of living
Yes. You should move. Workers leaving an area because the jobs don't pay enough for decent housing will force employers to either pay more or force landlords to lower rents. It happens everywhere.
>I just think if I want to live the minimum cost of living the minimum wage should be able to afford it.
Nah, because 100 people would have 100 ideas on what the "minimum cost of living" is. Is it living in your parents basement? Is it renting a room above a garage? Is a small efficiency 0-bedroom apartment? Is it a 1 bedroom apartment with all bills paid? Is it housing for a family of four? Is it a six bedroom two car garage in a gated community?
Who knows? It can be all of that and more when you literally just want things just because it's "insane" for you not to have them.
>>55923395
It's more amazing that he's using a graph he made himself to prove his point.
>>55923653
>Foods has been getting cheaper and poverty has increased, meaning that relatively speaking, food has never been this expensive.
"poverty" has increased.
you really fell for that meme hard didn't you.
you realize in america our poorfags are literally FAT AS FUCK. It's not a problem of wealth, it's a problem of bad money management from these poor fags.
people argue that they're at poverty level despite having iphones with data plans, fuck you and fuck those retards.
>Ask the people in north africa who can't even afford the bottled water they sell there anymore.
>shitty country with shit standards of living can't figure out how to clean water and maintain water wells
>wonders why they're dying of thirst
>Society isn't just YOU and 5 of your friends, fuckface, you are wrong, period, end of discussion.
>you are wrong, period, end of discussion
0/10 bait.
>>55918507
About 1/3 of CEO pay is salary and the rest is most of the rest comes from stock options.
S & P 500
1983- 140
1993- 435
2003- 880
2013- 1,426
http://www.fedprimerate.com/s-and-p-500-history.htm
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/05/18/why-corporate-ceo-pay-is-so-high-and-going-higher.html
>>55923192
>she probably helped delay HP's inevitable decline and preserved at least some value for shareholders.
No, when she got HP, it was a world-class technology company that not only kept up with trends, but drove them. All the other technology companies used HP equipment, which was costly but excellent.
It just wasn't a big consumer technology company, so it couldn't pull the fattest lewt.
Instead of sticking to what the company was good at, she tried to turn it into something else entirely, abandoning core competencies to try and cash in on its good name, which was something that didn't appeal to consumers to begin with.
It's the kind of thing you expect from a woman or otherwise mediocre leader. She looked around at what other people were doing and went with the herd, rather than actually tackling the specifics of the situation.
>>55923257
>It's called getting off your ass and fixing the problem rather than being a NEET faggot who complains about muh 1%.
yes i'm really going to be able to fix a huge problem that democrats and republicans both support all by myself. hold on let me grab my bootstraps
>>55923341
Geniuses have retarded children too. So much for the self-made man...
>>55923483
>in debt your whole life
Not really if you choose an in demand field and get a job you can have a bank pay off your loan and the rates you'll be paying the bank are much more manageable
.
>join the military and likely get shot
Pure ignorance, there are a ton of positions in the military where you will never be in the line of fire. Even then you're probably more likely to die being on food stamps in section 8 housing than in active duty.
>More and more companies are refusing paid internships in favour of unpaid "internships"
Absolutely false, maybe where you are but here if you want to learn to lay brick, fix pipes, or anything with hydro lines you'll be at 14 an hour with your education paid for.
>>55923681
Yeah but the amount of those people without opportunities is very little compared to your average amerifat that has internet, a computer, and a smartphone. While most poor people I've met (I came from a really poor family) drink alcohol and smoke. Then complain they can't afford a "decent" living.
what's a decent living for these people? eating steak everyday and snorting Vicodin?
always funny to see dogs defend their masters
>>55923902
This is why I added 'very likely'
>>55923681
>le fair game fur everybody
who the hell told you life is fair and why did you believed him
life wasn't fair 50kk years ago, is not fair today, and will not be fair ever
>>55919700
>Stop trying to promote a fairer, more equal society
I mean, do you realise how stupid you sound?
>>55923893
>yes i'm really going to be able to fix a huge problem that democrats and republicans both support all by myself. hold on let me grab my bootstraps
you liberal faggots complain about shit and yet refuse to try and fix things.
you deserve this faggot.
>>55920061
>identity politics
>>>/trash/
WAH WAH WAH WAH THE HIGHEST RANKED PERSON OF A COMPANY MAKES MORE THAN ME WAH WAH WAH
>>55923681
Yeah, I agree they don't have the opportunities. Why? Because either they don't want them or they're too stupid to make them for themselves, fuck em.
>>55923550
i never said i wanted to live there you illiterate retard. i was just stating the cost of housing there, to disprove your retarded "cost of living in america is so low dudes" argument.
by the way NW DC and bethesda are probably nicer than every city in your country.
>>55923967
>Yeah but the amount of those people without opportunities is very little compared to your average amerifat that has internet, a computer, and a smartphone. While most poor people I've met (I came from a really poor family) drink alcohol and smoke. Then complain they can't afford a "decent" living.
this.
I've known many poorfags as I was once poor myself and this is exactly what happens, especially now with retards getting liberal faggotry degrees that actually cause people to LOSE knowledge.
>>55919815
some minimum wage workers handle lots of money too.
people in the armored transports for example, or people who handle valuable materials.
>>55923859
>FAT AS FUCK
Healthy food is more expensive than cheap food
Of course in the US people aren't at the stage where they literally die from starvation yet, but in other parts of the world, they are.
>shitty country with shit standards of living can't figure out how to clean water and maintain water wells
>wonders why they're dying of thirst
You have no idea how things work down there, NESTLE, a big ass company bought out tons of the land and deep bored into the ground water supply, to pump it up into bottles and resell it to the population.
The ground water level has fallen so low now that most wells have completely dried up KILOMETERS from the factories. The people are forced to buy the (relatively) expensive water from Nestle, and they literally can't afford it.
They're getting fucked by retards like you who think people are starving and dying of thirst because they don't believe in the god of money or something.
Literally improve the planet by killing yourself right now.
>>55923036
yeah ill just save up for that 200k house with the 10 or 15 bucks i can put away at the end of every month as savings because the cost of living is stupidly high compared to wages.
everyone knows renting is a scam but its impossible to just buy a house unless you were born into money, or get lucky and land a decent job.
>>55923967
>anecdotal evidence
What about the parents who have to work 3 jobs just to feed their kids?
And a living wage really is just a bare minimum. What if they get sick?
>>55924106
>Because either they don't want them or they're too stupid to make them for themselves, fuck em
You're just ignorant in the matter, then. You seriously think people "choose" to be poor?
>>55923971
The masters are the customers, ceo is just another but highest ranked employee of a company.
Jews try to divide both to create class struggle
>>55920290
>criticizing wealth inequality means you're a socialist
wat
>>55924154
>Healthy food is more expensive than cheap food
Because of government corn subsidies, imagine that
>>55924216
I've met many many people in my life. I have never met someone working three jobs to feed their family.
I grew up in a family making 20k a year with 2 kids. My mom never worked more than one job at a time and I survived. Get the fuck out of here with you wah wah style of thinking.
>>55924216
>You seriously think people "choose" to be poor?
Absolutely, the options are right there in front of them, if they aren't willing to grab them, they don't deserve to be successful.
>>55923681
>you admit that there are many people in America who do not have the opportunities to be successful?
Not him, but America has more opportunities for wealth accumulation than any other place on earth.
I live next door to an Ethiopian Sandwich shop that was opened by an immigrant less than two years ago. The place is packed and they're making money every day. None of the fuckers in there speak much english at all and they're doing GREAT.
And don't get me started on the Mexicans. They come here with fucking nothing and in a single generation are living in huge houses with successful businesses.
Meanwhile, white people run around talking about how they can't afford to live, and there's no opportunities. Usually while sitting around lazily in an immigrant owned restaurant that is making the immigrant owners tons of dosh because they actually wake up in the morning and go to fucking work.
>>55924154
>Healthy food is more expensive than cheap food
0/10
>Of course in the US people aren't at the stage where they literally die from starvation yet, but in other parts of the world, they are.
that's because their people are fundamentally retarded and aren't able to get shit done like americans can.
we have automated tractors that plough land using GPS navigation. african countries can't even maintain a simple water well by themselves.
>You have no idea how things work down there, NESTLE, a big ass company bought out tons of the land and deep bored into the ground water supply, to pump it up into bottles and resell it to the population.
these shit countries ALLOWED for nestle to do this. when you allow yourself to get fucked, what else can you expect?
>They're getting fucked by retards like you who think people are starving and dying of thirst because they don't believe in the god of money or something.
lol 0/10 bait I never said that. I said they're dying because they make bad decisions in general which they do.
>>55923869
yes I think the whole revenue debate is a bit sterile, global inequality is about heritage and lineage
>>55920290
>The point is that most socialists are just greedy cunts.
>1% of America owns majority of wealth
>Socialists are the greedy ones
inb4 "B-BUT THEY WORKED HAAAARD FOR THAT MONEY"
>>55924272
Because making healthy food is more expensive than cramping 12 pigs in a 2x2m area for industrial meat farming for your mcdonalds burgers.
>>55924024
>liberal
top kek, a neocon has the audacity to call me liberal? you are legitimately retarded and i feel bad for you
>>55918757
I'm paid well for what I do, it's the cost of living that is ridiculous here
>>55924367
No its because of corn subsidies you fool.
How do you think they feed the pigs? Pigs don't fucking grow by themselves.
>>55924180
don't forget that after 30 years of saving $15 a check, inflation will have brought that 200k house up to 1 million.
>>55924346
You know who also makes bad decisions? Your mom when she decided against that abortion you evolutionary failure.
>aren't able to get shit done like americans can.
pic related
Enjoy the rest of your bait alone, I'm done with you.
>>55920742
Shhhh don't break their illusion...
>>55924016
>>I mean, do you realise how stupid you sound?
The suggestion that "the system is broken if everybody doesn't have the exact same opportunities available" is stupid.
It's unbelievably naive and absurd. No such system can exist. Reality isn't designed that way.
fair and equal are ill defined terms. Everybody wants fairness and equality, not everybody agrees on what it means.
>>55923630
im actually married and live in a two bedroom, that i dont struggle to afford thanks to government assistance because wages just dont meet the cost of living and nobody is doing anything about it. i lived with my parents until i was 27 and had no problems with it, i will agree that the moving out as young as possible and everyone needs their own place mentality is retarded and only worked for boomers.
>>55924327
>basing your ideas around the job market of 20 years ago
top kek
>>55920816
>identity politics
>>55924525
>no argument
>gives up and tries to argue anyone that proves him wrong is baiting
>leaves like the liberal faggot that he is and continues on being a retard
later faggot.
>>55922440
I'm assuming you haven't taken economics, so Ill give you a quick lesson. Try to tax them less and let the middle class and low income earners pay more taxers. That will cripple the economy. Consumption is needed for companies to grow and have less need for external financing. The top earners do not spend huge amounts more on consumption goods then middle income earners, they use most of their income in investing. That is good for companies looking to grow, but it would be less necessary if companies had increased sales since that would lead to their employees having more money and spending more on other business. This can lead to others having more money, thus new demand is created and will need to satisfied by new markets.
>>55924628
I'm 23. Try again. I moved out at 19 where my mom was still the only one working, my younger sister (16) still lived there at the time too. She still only made about 30k a year.
Try again anon.
>>55920839
Godwin's law much?
>>55920399
Except when you count the fact that the president gets a TON of shit for free that a top CEO would have to pay a lot of money for.
>>55924346
>>Healthy food is more expensive than cheap food
>0/10
vegetable in cans are finally more expensive than fresh vegetables with no trace of pesticide?
>>55924664
Oh and one last thing before I filter your ID, you are the one that used the word "bait" about 12 times before and now you cry like a literal child that he got beat at his own game.
Next time, don't come to an argument unarmed.
Later nerd.
Pic related, you.
>>55920859
>people being unable to find a job is cause they can't create it
wat
>>55924565
But we can at least agree that equal opportunity should be something to strive for, even if it is impossible to completely achieve?#
Why should one person be born and instantly have more cause and circumstance to be successful than another, especially to the extent that it is in America?
>>55924360
>it literally takes a couple clicks on a website to start a business in america
>immigrants own businesses from coast to coast
B-BUT THE WORKERS ARE OPPRESSED BY THE MEAN CEOS AND BOSSES!
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