okay retards, keep telling me how magically a culture dissapears, taking into account is the global dominant culture where other cultures try to imitate.
tell me how magically the values of western culture magically will dissapear.
what will replace it?
suddenly everyone on earth will replace roman or anglo law traditions with what?
or how suddenly everyone and all the ONG will stop using french rights?
or how suddenly goverments will stop looking at freedom of expression as something good.
or how christianity isn't the biggest religion.
or how western philosophy will be replaced in every college in the world.
or how western art won't still be recognized as not only western archivements but also as mankind ones.
keep telling me how western culture will disappear.
Islam.
>>55903072
>eep telling me how western culture will disappear.
Because western people disappear and the descendants will fill the void with their own culture.
>>55903472
That's the one.
>>55903472
I don't see it.
at worse it will become just another guetto culture, like niggers or chicanos in USA.
>>55903498
>western people dissapear
there's no genocide against western people.
having less kids != genocide.
>own culture
pretty much all cultures at this point equates western values with civilization.
There's no other cultures, just diferent shades of western values + indigenous ones.
just like there's no other economic system than capitalims.
>>55903072
You really should leave your basement from time to time and see the World around you.
Protip: Stuff happened several times before all over the World, ask your mom or even better; your history teacher.
Time to show them the White culture they keep talking bout you guiz :3
The Blood-thirsty conquerers that are like demons upon the battle field incensed by God.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9eWbrc_ynw
GOTT MIT UNS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49lw0lD7zcA
DEUS VULT!
>>55904135
kek tard.
keep telling me how we're not witnessing the birth of a world type I civilization when kids are being raised by watching animu and japanese games next to america soap operas.
keep telling me how hollywood isn't the world donimant cinema people around the world see.
keep telling me how this new type I world civilization doesn't have the western values at it's core.
It's not like suddenly chinese or mexicans will also think that blowing up themselves over islam is a fun passtime.
fag.
the solution is to export feminism and chinese porn cartoons to ME.
>>55903731
He never mentioned genocide though you fucking cocu.
>pretty much all cultures at this point equates western values with civilization.
Oh I'm laffin m8
The only reason you're incredulous is you have a perception issue. In your mind, you can't actually fathom that the reality where rome fell is the same reality you're in now. Things always change and having iphones doesn't stop that.
>>55903072
> taking into account is the global dominant culture
> globalist American pop culture is the same as Western culture
> implying you have a fucking clue about European culture
>>55904564
tell me how europeans will accept muslim values though.
suddenly europe will become muslim will mean white europeans will accept muslim values.
faggot.
>>55904638
>rome
the situation is diferent.
people at roman times didn't seek to preserve cultures, nor fast ways to transmit information were invented.
you seem to forget how pervasive is the internet and how most kids today are being raised by what they found on the internet.
do you seriously believe the internet won't have an effect?
even poor curryniggers are having access to youtube now by using some cheap ass bootleg phone.
this will mean lots of stuff.
>>55903731
>there's no genocide against western people.
He never talked about genocide, he talked about an alien culture replacing and outnumbering a native culture.
>>55903731
0/10 you fucking idiot
he just said disappear
the rest is dumb shit too
>>55904767
>oh no, some muslims are making shitty ghettos like american niggers
>oh no, american culture is 100% nigger culture
>>55904827
>outnumbering
how
muslim women aren't having 10 kids each one.
>>55904876
>dissapear
how
will school stop to teach kids their own culture and replace it with muslim culture?
will TV will start putting allah prays 24/7?
>>55904892
>what is reading comprehension
I said that the culture people try to imitate is the American pop culture of the melting pot which leads to globalization. If you honestly believe that this has anything to do with Western or European culture your are deeply deluded and have no clue as to what our culture is
>>55903072
it doesn't disappear overnight
it fades away
>>55904972
Yes, and now go back to mule fucking.
>>55904799
>tell me how europeans will accept muslim values though
The way the islam works. Fear. Asides there are leftists, hippies, keks, multiculturals, political correctness whiteknights etc.
Conservates and even slightes rights have a hard time in central europe.
>>55905091
So europeans will stop making and consuming european art?
So europeans films will stop being about european values and suddenly will become about islamic values?
So all europeans will suddenly stop listening to what their parents listened to and will start listening to muslims music?
So, even if all your neightborhood became filled with muslims, will you stop to teach your kids your european values?
So, even if we take germany or france levels of mulism, which is like 10%, this means USA is basically a nigger nation, full on following african values?
>>55903072
2bh Christianity is only disappearing because the west has grow past their religious state. There's no need to believe in god if you know there isn't one.
Once Muslims assimilate in europe you will start seeing a lot more atheists.
>>55903072
This is why one shouldn't drop out of 4th grade. Saged.
>>55903072
Are you retarded our world has seen many dominant cultures and nations vanish to history
Really are you retarded?
>>55904799
>>55904799
dood wat.
Romans saw themselves as the continuance of Greek western high culture you flaming dipshit.
Of course the internet will have an effect just as the rest of mass media has had one in replacing old family passed cultures with a new materialist and globalist one.
The disallowance of nations of peoples to express their historical cultures in a public manner for fear of racism or retarded foreigners being offended further fucks it.
You're either a muslim or a nigger for being so fucking stupid.
>>55904892
Oh okay, so my eyes are playing tricks on me, i see them daily, dude.
>>55905278
>>55905307
Even with muslim dick sucking I don't see it will replace european national values.
I'm seeing it will become like some shitty ass version of nigger culture where nigger (muslim) trash glorifies their own ghettoness, make some shitty rap music or whatever and trashy white gullibles kids or women will get into it.
Just like USA niggers.
I don't see USA will become 100% nigger like.
>>55903072
you'll be dead before it happens, god willing
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>>55903072
>Mc Donald's and Mickey Mouse
>Culture
Call me when they fully embrace the bill of rights.
>>55905520
Rolo indio hijueputa
No sabes nada de lo que estas hablando.
Europa esta bajo ataque, cultural, militar y socialmente.
Sorry for typos, no tengo tildes en este teclado.
>>55903072
reddtifrog
>>55905337
>So europeans will stop making and consuming european art?
Yes, look at modern pop art and tell me it is distinctively European. It's not
>So europeans films will stop being about european values and suddenly will become about islamic values?
No, they will be about newly created "European" values, such as tolerance, multiculturalism, progressivism, etc.
>So, even if all your neightborhood became filled with muslims, will you stop to teach your kids your european values?
No, but I will be a minority in my country. This leads to affirmative action and political correctness which is a form of leftist fascism aimed at removing anything triggering or offensive from my culture. This results in a mongrelized culture which lacks common roots, see the US
>So, even if we take germany or france levels of mulism, which is like 10%, this means USA is basically a nigger nation, full on following african values?
That's the problem, the US had basic values which were destroyed long ago by liberalism. Plus the US, unlike Europe always had an homogeneous culture
>>55905403
we still can see their traces on modern cultures.
>>55905412
sure, let's ignore the fact that roman culture still exist today in some form or another one, by example in the legal traditions of many countries.
It's not like roman political literature still influences intelectuals.
>>55905414
I'm seeing it more like the initial shock.
Sure, they're flooding europe, but I see mostly foreigners behaving like sheepfuckers in europe.
I hope two generations from now, their kids don't behave like goatfuckers but rather like some shitty ass ghettto nigger culture or something better.
I think the situation is very much like spics in USA.
I don't think the beaner descendants can be called 100% latinos.
>>55904254
>>55905671
lots of redditfrog
>>55905337
>So europeans will stop making and consuming european art?
Its Haram.
>So europeans films will stop being about european values and suddenly will become about islamic values?
Yes.
>So all europeans will suddenly stop listening to what their parents listened to and will start listening to muslims music?
The Industry gives, what the majority wants.
Media Control.
Censorship.
Haram.
>So, even if all your neightborhood became filled with muslims, will you stop to teach your kids your european values?
It is currently filling, and teachers do all the propaganda the leftists want.
>So, even if we take germany or france levels of mulism, which is like 10%, this means USA is basically a nigger nation, full on following african values?
Race != Culture
>>55904972
Starts by "tolerance". Letting Muslims live by their own laws and customs in our society. Next, Muslims ask for teachings on Islam in public schools to "understand their religion and culture". Then it becomes mandatory. Then they try to convert them. Further teachings and fundamental principles. Further pushing their sharia law into the public sphere. Civil liberties slowly eroded. Then threats. Attacks.
Why would any intelligent person be pro-Islam if they understand their basic tenets and principles? Moderate or secular Muslims are not correctly practicing the true Islamic faith. That's why they are moderate or secular.
Why is every country with a Muslim majority ruled by their religion, sharia law, and none of the principles we abide by?
>>55905835
>we can see the ruins and remnants of a world conquering civilization that once had 1/3 people living under its rule was centuries more advanced than the succeeding nations after it and lasted for arguably 1000+ years
>that somehow isn't proof that great civilizations can disappear
I literally can't even
>>55905835
Roman culture still exist because the many westerners liked it. Most of america's founding fathers used rome as an example when creating america. One of the major flaws of your argument is that immigrants will become westernized instead of the other way around.
>>55905782
kek
>rolo
where are u from faggot?
I still don't see europe will die, it will simply transform into other stuff.
>>55905818
>modern pop art
That's a diferent whole topic and is the result of money rather than muh jews.
>newly european values
care to tell me what are the "true" european values that isn't american pop hollywood culture?
>I will be a minority
how?
muslims women don't have 7-10 kids per average.
muslim population is growing because there's more inmigrating, not because they're having 20 kids each one.
Just deport them.
>lacks common roots
>US had basic values
Dunno, my country has common cultural values but isn't a monoracial one.
I see everyday niggers and white people and I don't consider them not colombians.
I guess I'm biased because we're just one culture, not a race.
>>55906183
de donde sos entonces?
Todos los paisas son redpilled y jamas dirian una brutalidad como la que estas diciendo.
Minimo sos costenno
Europa esta muriend literalmente.
Has siquiera salido del pais una sola vez por mas de una semana?
>>55906155
this will imply non whites don't appreciate and won't try to emulate romans.
>>55906274
de Cali.
m8, I still don't see it.
pol arguments get easily BTFO in /sci/
At worse I see muslims becoming a shitty ass ghetto culture.
But replacing national values, very doubtfull.
The arguments implies that muslims have an effect on whites, but this forgets that there's also an influence over muslims growing up on western countries.
Both parties influences each other.
>>55906183
>That's a diferent whole topic and is the result of money rather than muh jews.
Still, it's what is prevalent, and it's not European
>care to tell me what are the "true" european values that isn't american pop hollywood culture?
Really? This is the problem, you probably never visited Europe 20 years ago. Back then we were really "diverse". You could go from France to Italy or from Germany to the Netherlands and see different traditions and cultures. No those are being replaced by "american pop hollywood culture"
>how?
Combine low native birth rates with mass immigration and you have your answer. It's not rocket science
>Just deport them
Yea, let's just kick them out. I'm sure there won't be any legal repercussion
>Dunno, my country has common cultural values but isn't a monoracial one.
You country isn't in Europe. This is our homeland, which our ancestors conquered with blood and sweat. People coming here have no right to impose us their values. Adapt or fuck off
>>55903731
>there's no genocide against western people.
I did not say that lmao.
However, considering their birthrates they will be gone/irrelevant somewhere in the next century.
>There's no other cultures, just diferent shades of western values + indigenous ones.
What is Islam
>>55906509
Pfff no me sorprende.
al final del día son ustedes todos unos idiotas utiles actuando como keyboard warriors.
Sal del pais y vive por un tiempo en Europa, y te daras cuenta del genocidio cultural y demografico que esta sucediendo.
En serio, es algo increiblemente ridiculo.
siempre creí que pol estaba exagerando. Pero es peor de lo que imaginaba.
En nuestras vidas, y acuerdate de mi en un par de decadas, vamos a ser testigos de un meltdown europeo, riots a escalas monumentales y una guerra civil islamica de grandes proporciones en Europa.
Tal vez cuando tengamos 50-60 annos. Pero es algo que sucedera.
O solo ignora a la gente que esta viviendo en la realidad y guiate por lo que unos neckbeards digan en /sci/
Minimo sos de los que votaron por santos. Ratas comunistas todos
>>55906634
It will be worse, not just for europe but for everyone.
take into account all kids from all over the world are being raised by internet and youtubers.
>>55906644
>birthrates meme
It won't dissapear.
It's just a natural population correction.
All birthrates are lowering, even in poor shitholes.
The world average is like 2.5 in all over the world.
>>55906781
>este butthurt
kek
solo estoy usando mi sentido comun en vez de creer en los memes de esta pagina.
ademas, no es mi problema, no soy blanco.
>>55906509
>this will imply non whites don't appreciate and won't try to emulate romans.
They don't. Asians, black and hispanic nations all have the opportunity to try, but never did. Assuming that they will is baseless.
>>55906509
>At worse I see muslims becoming a shitty ass ghetto culture.
Muslims will naturally try to enforce sharia law. They will value the rule of god over the rule of man, like what has happened in every other muslim controlled state.
>solo estoy usando mi sentido comun en vez de creer en los memes de esta pagina.
Se let me get this straight: You ask us questions, we give you reasonable arguments and just dismiss them as memes? What's the point of making this thread then?
>>55906890
>birthrates meme
Its not a meme, sure Muslim birthrates will fall but they current projections for European birthrates are below 1. Further we have an aging population which mean in the next 20 years the relative amount of Muslims will skyrocket.
>>55906890
Cuales putos memes?
Es algo que esta sucediendo, lo veo todos los dias en las plazas, los mercados, los buses, el metro (ah cierto que el resto de Colombia sólo ha visto metros en la televisión...)
Ya fuera de broma. En realidad hay un genocidio en contra de los valores occidentales. Los musulmanes se estan multiplicando y los europeos son unas plumas que no se defienden.
En nuestras vidas veremos el verdadero ocaso de Europa.
Si sos negro, acuerdate que los mayores esclavistas de la historia fueron los arabes. Hay que dejar el meme estupido de blanco o no blanco, esto va mucho mas alla, se trata de la supervivencia de la civilizacion occidental.
Ademas tambien sos un infiel.
>>55907231
Colombian here.
This guy is just a retard trolling the board.
>>55903072
>or how christianity isn't the biggest religion.
It isn't though, Anon...
>>55907370
I see. I'm glad that people who are here can see what's going on. OP probably didn't visit Europe recently.
>>55907576
He told me he has never stepped outside the country and his main arguments come from... /sci/... I am not even kidding.
Anyway, Colombia is full of such retarded people, nothing new.
>>55907768
>his main arguments come from... /sci/
Opinion discarded.
This is why traveling is important. People actually get to experience the world, rather than making assumptions
>>55907370
>>55907370
>ah cierto que el resto de Colombia sólo ha visto metros en la televisión...
Hahahahaha bobo hp.
Por cierto, sos el peor cáncer de todos, salir del país y empezar a hablar mierda de la gente de acá.
>Anyway, Colombia is full of such retarded people, nothing new.
Si, como gente que dice que Santos y todos los que lo apoyan son ratas comunistas.
MUH CASTROCHAVISMO!!!!
>>55909010
>ah cierto que el resto de Colombia sólo ha visto metros en la televisión...
>Hahahahaha bobo hp.
>posts a pic of metro de Medellín
Vos sos un tarado o te hacés? ese era exactamente mi punto, idiota.
Hablar mierda de los estupidos? lo hago de los de Colombia, de los de Alemania y los de todas partes, pedazo de imbécil.
Por apologéticos que defienden el Islam es que ha sucedido lo de París.
Y sí, los que han apoyado a Santos a traicionar la constitución son o idiotas o comunistas. Y si en verdad crees que la cooperación entre el comunismo latino en cabeza de Fidel, Chavez y las FARC es algo para reírse, me das lástima.
Mínimo también sos fan de Petro.
>>55906980
>never did
sure, if your entire knowledge comes from pol showing rural areas.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQIeE7uZ1eE
This is the biggest cities in africa right now.
Everyone is modernizing, at diferent speed though.
>try to enforce sharia law
this will mean europeans will let them.
and this will also mean muslim women will accept their status to be lowered.
>>55907231
sure, you have nice meme arguments as to why blacks are genetically inferior or how jew acomplishments are somehow "white"
What's the point of pol if there isn't about discussing?
do you want me to circlejerk your opinions?
>>55907315
there was a real scientific page (can't remember the link) that explained that for any real population replacement it will require for every muslim woman to have 7-10 kids during two or three generations.
this flooding meme implies their women will suddenly star shooting babies like a factory.
muslims suddenly don't have shithole birthrates.
It's been recorded that the biggest factor in population growth is lack of education + poverty.
>>55909577
La misma costitución que ofrece salud de calidad a todos?
La misma que dice que tenemos derecho a una educación de calidad?
La misma que ofrece garantías a los trabajadores y campesinos?
Vos sos comunista defendiendo una constitución que redactaron también guerrilleros que se desmovilizaron, te acordás de eso no?
Vos, y el resto de personas que piensan como vos, solo buscan un chivo expiatorio, alguien a quién culpar por sus malas decisiones; ya se te olvido quién subió a Santos? Si, fue tu Fuhribe, el mismo quién lo tuvo de Ministro de Defensa cuando abatió varios lideres guerrilleros, pero todo eso era un complot, no?
Entonces Noruega y Chile también son comunistas por estar de garantes en los procesos, no? Y con la paz se va a firmar también la entrega del poder a las FARC, como sucedió en el 91 cuando guerrilleros del M19 y otras guerrillas firmaron la nueva Constitución.
Si, es culpa de las FARC que la gente se muera en hospitales.
Si, es culpa de las FARC que a los trabajadores se les pague una miseria.
Si, es culpa de las FARC que los politicos se roben la mayoria de los presupuestos, que las obras no se completen y que haya niños muriendo de hambre en Chocó, Cauca, la Amazonía y la Guajira.
>>55907370
>city location
sure, cities such as paris are getting flooded by muslims.
call me when all the rural parts are also being flooded.
Even in the worst shape, france is 90% white, more than USA.
and that's not counting where there's not much muslim inmigration, where the white population is like 99-98% such as poland.
>>55907902
ok, tell me how there are muslims even in remote towns and isn't just ghettos on the main cities.
According to the Pew Forum, the total number of Muslims in Europe in 2010 was about 44 million (6%),[27] excluding Turkey. The total number of Muslims in the European Union in 2010 was about 19 million (3.8%).[27] Approximately 9 million Turks are living in Europe, excluding the Turkish population of Turkey, which makes up the largest Muslim immigrant community in Europe.[28] However the real number of Muslims in Europe is not well-known. The percentage of Muslims in Russia (the biggest group of Muslims in Europe) varies from 5[29] to 11.7%,[27] depending on sources. It also depends on if only observant Muslims or all people of Muslim descent are counted.[30]
>it's even lower than I though.
>acording to projections muslims will be 10% in 2050
>but muh genocide
>>55910284
Mmmm me das un poco de pena, confundes tus argumentos.
>La misma costitución que ofrece salud de calidad a todos?
>La misma que dice que tenemos derecho a una educación de calidad?
>La misma que ofrece garantías a los trabajadores y campesinos?
Esa misma constitución. La misma que un movimiento radicalmente distinto a las FARC ayudó a redactar.
O acaso porque ambos grupos (M-19 y FARC) son referidas con "guerrilla", significa que son iguales? O que cualquier grupo denominado "guerrilla" es bueno?.
La desmovilización del M-19 fue un hecho distinto en una época distinta, y sobre todo, de un grupo distinto. O quieres acobijar con el mismo manto a todos los grupos subversivos?.
Con ese razonamiento, pues alegrémonos cuando las BACRIM se desmovilicen.
>Si, es culpa de las FARC que la gente se muera en hospitales.
>Si, es culpa de las FARC que a los trabajadores se les pague una miseria.
Te estas saliendo por la tangente. Qué tiene que ver el que el estado no pueda llevar a cabo sus obligaciones con el accionar terrorista de unos bandidos asesinos? Acaso eso justifica sus masacres, el dolor y el atraso que le han causado al país?
Sí, descubriste que Colombia tiene muchos problemas (y que el agua moja al parecer), y de alguna manera justificas que debido a ellos debemos abandonar las leyes y la institucionalidad para... para qué? para indultar a unos bandidos comunistas?.
>Si, es culpa de las FARC que los politicos se roben la mayoria de los presupuestos, que las obras no se completen y que haya niños muriendo de hambre en Chocó, Cauca, la Amazonía y la Guajira.
Ya me convenciste, como hay políticos corruptos, lo correcto es tirar bala, matar gente, plantar droga y romper la ley. Porque así garantizaremos que esos ninnos no mueran de hambre.
En verdad eres un pobre imbécil que ni argumentos tiene.
>>55911129
no el, pero la paz es mas valiosa a que unos criminales ahora hagan politica en el senado.
la no continuacion de la guerra es mas importante que unos sentimientos rotos sobre muh guerrilleros deberian ir a la carcel.
En especial cuando las victimas estan de acuerdo en dar indultos a cambio de saber los paraderos de sus familiares.
>>55911393
>no el, pero la paz es mas valiosa a que unos criminales ahora hagan politica en el senado.
Una falsa paz basada en impunidad y el acomodamiento al crimen nunca funcionará.
No funcionó en los 30 con Checoeslovaquia y no funcionará en Colombia.
Con ese razonamiento, el nuevo mundo nunca se habría independizado de la corona espannola
>la no continuacion de la guerra es mas importante que unos sentimientos rotos sobre muh guerrilleros deberian ir a la carcel.
No son "sentimientos rotos". Es la ley. Un hecho que inevitablemente definirá la identidad y el inconsciente colectivo de Colombia por generaciones.
>En especial cuando las victimas estan de acuerdo en dar indultos a cambio de saber los paraderos de sus familiares.
Cuáles victimas? el grupo que fue definido por las FARC? el grupo que contiene una minoría de víctimas de las FARC?.
Aún si todas las víctimas estuvieran de acuerdo, la ley es la ley.
Si Fulanito mata a Peranito, y la mamá de Peranito dice "ayyy yo lo perdono". Significa eso entonces que el estado no debería juzgar a Fulanito como el peligro para la sociedad que es?
Argumentos sin fundamiento que lo único que hacen es apología al delito.
Las generaciones futuras sabrán que matar paga. Violar la ley paga.
Eso sí, no mate poquito, mate bastante, tire bastantes bombas que eventualmente unos pobres imbéciles le darán impunidad.
>>55912149
>speaking in english outside int
LOL
anyway, your entire argument seems to forget FARC are criminals, yes, they commit crimes.
but they have a political agenda.
BACRIM and future criminal rings are just common criminals without political goals.
you need to remember FARC evolved from La violencia, so they have a political base they fight over.
A simple narco is not the same as FARC.
>>55911129
Haha, radicalmente distinto? Si todos vienen del mismo arbol amigo, diferencias ideológicas de como llevar a cabo el fin que es el mismo para todos: La implantación de un modelo económico-politico socialista.
Me da gusto como primero decís que todos los que apoyan a Santos son unas ratas comunistas y ahora decís que no todos los grupos guerrilleros; generalizas algo y luego me decís que doy pena por hace algo similar.
El M-19, EPL y el Quintin Lame fueron los que ayudaron a redactar esa Constitución que tanto defendes...adiviná donde estaban agrupados esos grupos? Te ayudo:
>"En los años 80 el M-19 conformó la Coordinadora Nacional Guerrillera (CNG), en asociación con el Comando Ricardo Franco Frente-Sur y el Movimiento Armado Quintín Lame; en 1987 esta agrupación se reestructuró, añadiéndose las FARC, el EPL y el ELN y se dio a conocer como Coordinadora Guerrillera Simón Bolívar (CGSB). El propósito de esta organización era presentar un frente unido en las negociaciones de paz emprendidas con el gobierno pero además, realizar acciones armadas conjuntas."
Y ahora las FARC quieren hacer un proceso muy similar al que construyó esa Constitución que tanto pareciera que adorás, de alguna manera esto es malo y Santos y todos los que quieren acabar el conflicto son unas ratas comunistas...
Pero si, defendé la Constitución desde por allá, donde no te toca ni el hambre ni las balas de ambos lados.
>>55912638
>>speaking in english outside int
>LOL
What in the fuck are you on about. Learn to fucking type.
>anyway, your entire argument seems to forget FARC are criminals, yes, they commit crimes.
but they have a political agenda.
So that makes it okay? you can not be this stupid. You just can't.
Even if it were valid, which it is not, does every single member of FARC have a political goal?. Does that mean that every single act they did was justified? including executions, assasinations and kidnappings?.
Let us not forget that the FARC themselves murdered guerrilla groups that carried out peace talks in the 80s
You have absolutely ZERO idea about how law works. You are making a total idiot out of yourself.
>diferencias ideológicas de como llevar a cabo el fin que es el mismo para todos: La implantación de un modelo económico-politico socialista.
Pequennas diferencias no? los dos grupos sí son distintos. Desde sus inicios hasta sus finales. Tratar de afirmar lo contrario es ser voluntariamente obtuso.
>socialista
De verdad crees que esa palabra es el "mismo arbol"? el partido liberal hace parte de la internacional socialista. Partidos alemanes con el nombre socialista en ellos son diametralmente distintos a ambas guerrillas.
Oh sorpresa, el "socialismo" es tan variado como los grupos que lo persiguen. Pensar que es el "mismo árbol" es inocente en el mejor de los casos. El significado es dado por cada grupo.
>Coordinadora Nacional Guerrillera (CNG),
Cuál es tu argumento? que porque alguna vez hicieron parte de un mismo grupo, entonces... qué?. En serio, cuál es tu argumento?
>Y ahora las FARC quieren hacer un proceso muy similar al que construyó esa Constitución que tanto pareciera que adorás,
Las FARC quieren impunidad. Eso lo han dicho desde el principio.
Le podés dar las vueltas que quieras, adornar con relativismo moral o justificaciones basadas en falacias, pero al final del día lo que ellas quieren y lo que vos estas aprobando es impunidad
>>55914704
my point is that FARC isn't your average criminal.
also, what's the alternative?
another 20 years of fighting and having victims?
anyway, they already have signed a deal and they seem to be willing to become a political force.
Santos has seem to have acomplish more than any other president.
We need to accept there will be impunity, is stupid to think FARC leaders will surrender without some kind of agreement as to receive it.
>Las FARC quieren impunidad. Eso lo han dicho desde el principio. Le podés dar las vueltas que quieras, adornar con relativismo moral o justificaciones basadas en falacias, pero al final del día lo que ellas quieren y lo que vos estas aprobando es impunidad
La misma impunidad con la que gobernaron los paramilitares por 8 años y que hora estan en el Senado.
>De verdad crees que esa palabra es el "mismo arbol"? el partido liberal hace parte de la internacional socialista. Partidos alemanes con el nombre socialista en ellos son diametralmente distintos a ambas guerrillas.
Oh sorpresa, el "socialismo" es tan variado como los grupos que lo persiguen. Pensar que es el "mismo árbol" es inocente en el mejor de los casos. El significado es dado por cada grupo.
Entonces porqué todos los que apoyan a Santos son unas ratas comunistas?
>Cuál es tu argumento? que porque alguna vez hicieron parte de un mismo grupo, entonces... qué?. En serio, cuál es tu argumento?
Mi argumento esta ahí, que lo pases por alto por ignorancia o por querer desviar la atención es otra cosa.
>>55915264
>my point is that FARC isn't your average criminal.
yeah and?
The nazis werent, so we should have just given in?
>also, what's the alternative?
>another 20 years of fighting and having victims?
Institutionality? rule of law?, doing the same thing that forced them to negotiate in the first place? Doing the same thing that saw Colombia stop being the #1 world coca producer for several years?
Btw, Colombia regained the #1 spot and produces more than Peru and Bolivia together. That is what happens when you dont exercise the law and grant impunity.
>anyway, they already have signed a deal and they seem to be willing to become a political force.
well fuck it then, why bother right?
let us just watch more football.
You disgust me, at least the other guy tries to delude himself a bit more.
>Santos has seem to have acomplish more than any other president.
What did he accomplish? all he has done is sell the colombian institutions and pimp out the laws.
He also managed to halt the continuous demise of the guerrilla works by being so kind and not bombing them.
He also managed to multiply the coca production of the country.
>La misma impunidad con la que gobernaron los paramilitares por 8 años y que hora estan en el Senado.
Ah, entonces es no se trata de que el trato actual es legítimo. Se trata de que como el de los paramilitares fue ilegítimo, entonces esta bien que este también lo sea. Una falacia Tu Quoque, y de paso aceptas que estas negociaciones son ilegitimas, ya vas viendo la luz.
Otra cosa más, en verdad te crees por un segundo que en la situación actual habrán guerrilleros que pagarán ocho annos en la cárcel? o que serán extraditados, como lo han sido varios jefes máximos paramilitares?. Responde éste párrafo.
>Entonces porqué todos los que apoyan a Santos son unas ratas comunistas?
Ya lo dije, o ratas comunistas, o idiotas útiles.
>>55915781
>Mi argumento esta ahí, que lo pases por alto por ignorancia o por querer desviar la atención es otra cosa.
No, no lo está.
Sólo nombraste un hecho. De nuevo, cuál es tu argumento?. Esta bien que utilices hechos para sustentar tus ideas, pero las tienes que decir. Cuál es tu argumento.
Yo también puedo decir hechos.
Los ejércitos de la actual República de China (Taiwan) y la hoy República Popular de China, hicieron parte de una misma cooperative en la guerra contra japón.
De seguro puedes ver a lo que voy, no?
>>55916306
>all this tinfoiling
wow, calm down uribe.
BACRIM aren't political organizations with a political goal.
FARC already says they're gonna become a political force, and let's hope ELN also wants to become another one.
>but muh instituonality
calm down, colombia won't suddenly became a lawless state.
sure, they're criminals and there will be impunity, but this also mean a fucking civil conflict will end.
Don't you think the fact stoping the violence will mean simply better stuff than keeping the status quo?
Don't you think that ending the violence somehow will means investors will start bringing up shit here?
Sure, there will be impunity, but that's a short price for the peace.
>>55917061
What tinfoiling? I have said nothing but facts. Just pick up this week's washinton post.
Honestly, you are just stupid, you have no arguments or ideas. Your whole reasoning boils down to "weeell, they said they murdered people because they wanted to do something really really good for the country... soooo, I think it is ok, right?"
After all, the road to hell is NOT paved with good intentions, right?
Just stop replying and let me and the other dude discuss.
>>55917359
my whole argument is that peace is a bigger value than whatever is the alternative, that includes giving impunity to some criminals, they can be criminals, but they're politically motivated ones.
All your ramblings comes as some squizo level of discourse about how FARC should quietly acept being giving 20 or 30 years of jail. This comes simply as naive.
>>55917735
>they can be criminals, but they're politically motivated ones.
And that just makes it all fine.
>All your ramblings comes as some squizo level of discourse about how FARC should quietly acept being giving 20 or 30 years of jail. This comes simply as naive.
Yeah, believing the law should be upheld are ramblings.
But I agree, it is very naive from me to believe the law can be upheld and criminals justly trialed, after all, Colombia is inhabited by people like you, and your vote counts as much as mine.
>>55918216
>make it all fine
there's no saint people.
everyone has their hands filled with inocent blood.
Uribe has thousands of inocent young males being killed in the name of security.
same as santos.
same as many of current military officials who are even more corrupt than FARC fags.
noone is inocent.
both also the state and guerrillas are guilty.
This is a matter of stoping violence by the less expensive means, dialog.
>muh law
Laws are an agreement between parties, they can be rewritten.
FARC becoming a political force won't suddenly make our legal and political traditions become irrelevant suddenly, nor they will make colombia into another cuba.
>congolombia in charge of not understanding culture replacement
>>55903072
>Low birthrates on one side
>High birthrates on another side
>Nothing done to stop immigration (because that would be raycist)
Do the math
>>55919332
>implying the birthrates among european muslims aren't the same
>implying your map doesn't correlate strongly with economy and access to anticonceptives
>suddenly a population that is barely 4% will become 80 or 90% in 20 years
>current projections only say muslims will become 10% by 2050
>but muh circlejerk muh pol points for doing the circlejerk and the memes.
why is hard to have common sense?
>>55919647
Are you really ok with everywhere becoming south america or creating ghettos, shut the fuck up and kill yourself
>>55919728
>3.5% of the population
>suddenly it will become the same problem as USA that has a 13% of the population as niggers
>somehow europe will become muslim
kek
nice memes retard.
It's not like there are countries 99.9% whites.
>but muh circlejerk
>>55920015
>waaaah im black so everybody must be
and
>3.5%
lmao france is like 30% non white
>>55920152
He has never been there.
Just ignore him.
>>55920254
Paris is literally little Sudan mehmet, its literally blacker than Rio
>>55920152
Islam is the second-most widely professed religion in France behind Catholic Christianity by number of worshippers. With an estimated total of 5 to 10 percent of the national population, France has the largest number of Muslims in Western Europe.[1][2][3]
muslims aren't even 10% in france acording to real data.
>>55920254
>I trust more in personal anecdata than stadistics
LOL
are u a women?
>>55920340
>muslims
Every non-white is a muslim now
>>55920338
You stupid brazilian mongrel, I am agreeing with you.
Jesus fucking christ.
>>55920340
Such statistics are illegal in France, so you are talking out of your ass, or using flawed data.
>>55920405
https://muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/2012/12/14/al-jazeerah-6-million-muslims-convert-to-christianity-in-africa-each-year/
yeah, let's ignore the fact a shit ton of muslims are converting to christianity.
>>55920488
>muh conspiracy
nice argument retard.
>>55920488
Shit sorry f.am
>>55920488
According to Al-Jazeerah’s interview with Sheikh Ahmad Al Katani, the president of The Companions Lighthouse for the Science of Islamic Law in Libya, In every hour, 667 Muslims convert to Christianity.
Everyday, 16,000 Muslims convert to Christianity. Every year, 6 million Muslims convert to Christianity in Africa alone so you can imagine the worldwide numbers. How many others of them convert to Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism or just plain atheism? MILLIONS.
After reporting this Al-Jazeerah has since removed the interview and details but we got the screencap from the original story.
>>55920599
What so this only proves my point retard lmao kill yourself
>>55920665
The Salem Voice Ministries evangelizing Muslims in India and many other Muslim nations. There are about 500 evangelists ministering among Muslims in different African, Middle East and Asian countries. A vast number of Muslims finding the truth and attaining Salvation of Jesus Christ day by day.
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‘More Muslims converted to faith in Jesus Christ over the past decade than at any other time in human history. A spiritual revolution is underway throughout North Africa, the Middle East, and Central Asia. As a result, a record number of ex-Muslims are celebrating Christmas this year, despite intense persecution, assassinations, and widespread church bombings’. These are the words of Joel C. Rosenberg, the author of the New York Times best selling political thriller.
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He said, he and his wife and kids were lived in the Mideast for three months. During that time, he had the privilege of interviewing more than three dozen Arab and Iranian pastors and evangelical leaders throughout the region. The picture they paint is one of Christianity being dramatically resurrected in the region of its birth.
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>>55920775
So you agree that since France only has ''10%'' of muslim population, the non-european is probably 40%
>>55920887
there's only 4.5 million muslims in france acording to official data.
let's ignore the fact their birthrates aren't africa tier and let's ignore the fact some of them are converting to christianity or becoming moderate or even atheist.
>>55921075
YOU FUCKING NIGGER MUSLIM IS NOT A RACE REEEEEE IM TALKING ABOUT NON-WHITE NON EUROPEAN
>>55920887
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In December 2001, Sheikh Ahmad al Qataani, a leading Saudi cleric, appeared on a live interview on Al-Jazeera satellite television to confirm that, sure enough, Muslims were turning to Jesus in alarming numbers. “In every hour, 667 Muslims convert to Christianity,” Al Qataani warned. “Every day, 16,000 Muslims convert to Christianity. Every year, 6 million Muslims convert to Christianity.”
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Stunned, the interviewer interrupted the cleric. “Hold on! Let me clarify. Do we have six million converting from Islam to Christianity?” Al Qataani repeated his assertion. “Every year,” the cleric confirmed, adding, “a tragedy has happened.”
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One of the most dramatic developments is that many Muslims — including Shiites in Iran and Iraq — are seeing dreams and visions of Jesus and thus coming into churches explaining that they have already converted and now need a Bible and guidance on how to follow Jesus. This is the fulfillment of Biblical prophecy of Joel, “in the last days, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men will dream dreams, your young men will see visions. Even on my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my Spirit in those days….And everyone who calls on the name of the LORD will be saved.” (Joel 2:28-32).
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>>55921075
THEY COULD BECOME FUCKING HINDU I WOULDNT CARE, THEY SHOULDNT BE THERE
>>55921248
Brazilbro, that guy is retarded and trolling, fuck him.
I am getting TFO of this shitthread after BLOWING THE FUCK OUT OF THE WATER this guy and the other commie bastard.
>>55921162
>>55921248
In 2010, 80.1% of newborn in metropolitan France had two French parents, 13.3% had one French parent, and 6,6% had two non French parents.[6][21]
The table below gives the number of children born in metropolitan France according to the citizenship of both parents.
>80% of newborn babies have two french parents
>13% have one french parent
>>55921428
>muh feelings and anecdata are better representations of reality than hardcore stadistics
>the goverment stadistics aren't real because they conflict with the memes I know from pol
kek
>>55921483
>French parents
French isnt a race, the bombers in paris were ''belgians''
>>55921428
>>55921248
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Around a million believed in Jesus over the past decade in Egypt. The Egyptian Bible Society used to sell about 3,000 copies of the JESUS film a year in the early 1990s. As per the figures taken from the Millennium campaign in 2000, they sold 600,000 copies, plus 750,000 copies of the individual cassette tapes (in Arabic) and about a half million copies of the Arabic New Testament. Ramez Atallah, the General Secretary of the Bible Society of Egypt informed Pastor Paul Ciniraj by email. “Egyptians are increasingly hungry for God’s Word,” he said.
>>55921755
Ok you are just trolling you literally didnt gave a single point on how europe isnt being run over by non-whites and non-europeans
>>55921653
In 2004, it was estimated that 85% of the population of Metropolitan France was white or of European origin, with 10% from North Africa, 3.5% Black and 1.5% Asian.
This law does not apply to surveys or polls, and a marketing company called Solis estimated numbers of ethnic minorities in 2009 as 5.23% Maghrebis, 2.94% black (a majority from Sub-Saharan Africa) and 0.71% Turkish.
>>55921939
>2004
>>55921864
Pan and Pfeil (2004) count 87 distinct "peoples of Europe", of which 33 form the majority population in at least one sovereign state, while the remaining 54 constitute ethnic minorities. The total number of national minority populations in Europe is estimated at 105 million people, or 14% of 770 million Europeans. (including Europeans in Asian Russia)[19]
The largest ethnic groups are the Russians, of whom 92 million reside in Europe, the Germans, with 72 million. In some countries such as the United Kingdom, France and Spain, the designation of nationality may controversially take on ethnic aspects, subsuming smaller ethnic groups such as Welsh, Bretons and Basques, making it difficult to quantify a "British" or "French" ethnicity, for example.
Approximately 20 million non-Europeans live in the EU, 4% of the overall population.[20]
>>55922096
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34131911
even in 2015, refugees make around 700k
that isn't small, but I live nearby a city that has 2 millions and the city is just 50km squares.
It's not a small deal, by any means.
but it's not enough to make a continent of 700 millions into a califate in 20 years.
>>55922495
>implying they all spread out evenly
>implying everyone that goes into Europe is a refugee
>>55922096
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/09/08/muslim-migrants-converting-to-christianity-to-improve-asylum-chances/
>>55922771
Why do you think converting to christianity is ''good'', it doesnt change anything
>>55922593
http://www.charismanews.com/world/51920-hundreds-of-muslims-convert-to-christianity-amid-violent-persecution
>implying muslims aren't dropping hard islam as long as they can.
>>55922865
because most of the complains from retards on this pedophile page stem from muslims wanting to convert europe into a caliphate when the reality is that they're dropping hard islam as hard as they can.
>>55922985
They are still not European and shouldnt be there en masse like that
>>55922865
The study said Islam will grow more than twice as fast as any other major religion over the next half century because of a higher fertility rate in Muslim dominated countries.
However, Muslims frightened by the inhumane acts by the ISIS, which the militants claim they are doing in the name of their god Allah, are now questioning their very own faith, and presumably considering to leave it, CBS News reported on Friday.
This is backed by testimonies from missionaries working in the Islamic world who noted that more Muslims have converted to Christianity in the last 14 years since the devastating Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks in the US. The number of converts in the recent period, they said, is greater than during the entire 14 centuries of Islamic history.
"Many Muslims are saying, 'If ISIS is Islam, I'm leaving.' Some are becoming atheists," said Brother Rachid, who hosts a Christian program reaching Muslims called "Daring Questions" in Arabic language. "There is a huge wave of atheism in the Arab world right now and many are turning to Jesus Christ. Islam was never faced with this crisis before."
http://www.christiantoday.com/article/isis.seen.undermining.islamic.faith.as.more.muslims.convert.to.christianity/55622.htm
>>55923108
they're moving to europe not because they wanna convert europeans into islam.
sure, there are some nigger muslim retards in that video who says that.
but most of them just don't wanna be blown up in pieces by OTAN bombs.
you need to remember they're not animals, they're just normal people.
Islamic faith is falling apart even in muslims countries.
you need to remember most people want the same shit, get drunk and party.
do you think normal muslims are happy alcohol and pornography is illegal?
they're not democratic countries, but teocraty dictatoships.
>>55923349
I dont give a fuck about their reason, i dont want the world to turn into south america, you should know better of all people
>>55923120
>The number of converts in the recent period, they said, is greater than during the entire 14 centuries of Islamic history.
And that's because leaving islam for most of their history means getting killed.
>>55923349
If that's how you feel, than support the killing of isis, even if it means some bystanders getting killed.
>>55903072
OK liberal, tell me how wearing a mean halloween costume magically destroys the cultures of "people of color".
>>55923396
I don't think so.
The social structures that comprises europeans don't magically become muslims, even with all the inmigration.
people don't magically change their normal behaviour because some other people came to their neightboorhood.
there's more reason to believe a muslim kid in europe will grow up to become a moderate if he's raised in a western country than suddenly becoming by magic like if he was raised in ME.
like I said, I think the worst it can happen is islam in europe becoming just like niggers in USA.
>>55923574
So?
That's a good thing.
Islam is getting attacked by the combined forces of internet pornography, women natural desire to become attention whoring in facebook, feminism, cartoon pornography, atheism and the efforts of christian missionaires.
It doesn't help traditional islamic values are being related in people minds to ISIS.
>>55923674
read the articles, ISIS is doing more than to getting people to convert to islam than otherwise.
>>55923774
I don't follow your burger nigger politics.
but cultures are taking stuff from other cultures, just like japan celebrates christmass.
It's being obviously around the world a common culture is evolving.
Sure, national identities will have to be eroded if we want to hope in some centuries mankind will become united as one civilization to conquer the stars.
>>55924136
Nigger theyll become black and will have a shitton of ghettos, thats south america for me, fuck you if you want this hell on everyone nigger
>>55924232
american guettos arise because of really low wages.
even if they're poor, europeans can afford stuff only middle or high income spics can.
if you mean shitty favelas, it won't happen.
ME people are not blacks, so even they are known for not making their cities like detroit.
>>55924404
Yeah, ME people are nordics, fuck you wanting to destroy white people, and there were literally already ''shitty favelas'' in france
>>55924640
m8, you're pretty ignorant if you think the useless breed of white people can be more civilized than the guys who invented algebra.
http://www.premierchristianity.com/Past-Issues/2015/February-2015/The-convert-Why-I-left-Islam-to-follow-Jesus
There's a fierce ideological battle at this point between christian missionaires and muslims.
It's impressive to note european muslims are dropping hard islam.
>>55924927
>being a nigger
lmao opinion dropped
>>55925055
I'm not black though.
my father is like 75% amerindian and my mother full mestiza.
>but your race
nice argument retard.
I believe I'm a better westerner because I want for all humans to believe in western values and western culture to be the basis of all human civilization, unlike you niggers who just cry and circlejerk.
>>55925253
Yeah, whitout the westerners
>>55925294
I do believe culture is more important than race.
I do believe a non white person being raised with western values is not a threat to europeans.
I do believe westerners or at least europeans should be trying to export their values to non europeans.
But they became just pathetic sheltered losers who can't feel proud that the current dominant global culture is based on western values.
>>55925648
Didnt that turn out super great in South America, goglly gee i love living in this multicultural loving place
>>55925755
there's more historical reasons as to why latinoamerica is like is today, related to cold war politics and CIA putting dictatorships and declaring the war on drugs than any jew plan on multiculturalism.
but you need to remember the world economy is becoming more equal.
we're becoming richer while first world is becoming poorer.
It's not some evil jew plan, but pretty average forces of economy.
europeans wages can't compete against third world ones, so the shitty jobs moved.
Then we started to develop and get better education.
So the trend will continue.
We'll get better, they'll decrease.
>>55926347
Yeah and we have more murders than Syria, thanks multiculturalism
A United Nations' survey showed that between 1989 and 1998, Europe's Muslim population grew by more than 100 percent, due mainly to the effects of immigration from Muslim countries. Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance have an unsourced claim of 2.9 percent per year. And according to a Pew report published in January 2011, the future growth of Islam in Europe will be "driven primarily by continued migration."[14]
According to data from the extensive 2010 European Social Survey (ESS), Muslims immigrants who have lived less than a year in Europe regularly go to the mosque. But after they have lived more than a year in their new homeland, the figure drops to 48.8%. More than half rarely or never go to the mosque to pray.[28]
In the Netherlands, mosque attendance is actually dropping faster than church attendance. In 1998, 47 percent of Muslims would attend mosque at least once a month. This figure fell by 12 percent in 2008 to only 35 percent. Whilst church attendance for Catholics fell by only 8 percent, and church attendance amongst Protestants showed no change, remaining at 63 percent.[29]
>>55926517
that's because of poverty.
poor people comit more crime.
>>55926820
Do you think those people moving to Europe are super rich? Again just look at ghettos in Paris
United Kingdom[edit]
It has been estimated that during 2001 - 2011, about 100,000 people converted to Islam in the United Kingdom, but 75 percent of these converts quickly left Islam, during this period.[30] On the whole, there are about 200,000 apostates from Islam living in the UK, doubling the number that have converted.[31]
Similarly to the rest of Europe,[14] the growth of Islam in the UK is primarily due to higher birthrates among Muslims (27 percent of Muslim families have three or more dependent children, compared with 14 percent of Sikh, 8 percent of Hindu, and 7 percent of Christian families)[32] and immigration (54 percent of all UK Muslims are foreign born).[33]
A NOP poll of British Muslims commissioned by Channel 4 also found that 48% of Muslims never attend a mosque, with another 6% only attending for special occasions.[34]
>>55926969
like I said, it will become like some shitty version of arabic niggers doing rap about some shit and drugs and shit.
do you seriously believe muslims kids on europe won't be affected by western values?
do you think they will give up their cartoon porn or drugs?
>>55910193
>there was a real scientific page (can't remember the link) that explained that for any real population replacement it will require for every muslim woman to have 7-10 kids during two or three generations.
I really would have liked to see that. Its not only about the muslim birthrate but also about the a) lacking birthrate of europeans b) aging population of europe.
Especially point b boosts the relative amount of muslims enormous.
>>55927130
Its not only about culture, I dread the day where Europe ethnic makeup is identical to Brazil.
>>55927445
This desu
>>55903072
Western culture dies with the white man.
>i-it doesn't matter if whites get wiped out because we will continue your culture
No.
Arab culture is directly opposed to Western culture. The West values individualism, and treats all people as equals under the law. Arabs value family and tribe, and distrust/disdain outsiders. The West enforces the law through impartial courts. Arab countries enforce the law through tribal vengeance, lynching, honor killing, etc.
It's easy to assume that people will simply integrate into Western culture if they're embedded into it, but most immigrants aren't embedded into it. They settle in segregated neighborhoods among people like themselves. Even if they weren't segregated, they still wouldn't take on Western values, because values are partially, if not largely, innate. Westerners have developed their value system through centuries of outbreeding. Arabs have developed their value system through centuries of inbreeding.
Arab institutions are corrupt, because most Arabs value their family and tribe over governmental institutions. The same is true, to some degree, of Africans. Western Civilization requires functional institutions. As Arabs and Africans invade the West, Western Civilization crumbles.
Mexicans and Central Americans have some of the same problems. The government is ineffectual, and replaced by cartels and gangs.
>>55927272
The EUROPOP2013 projection assumes a process
of convergence in the fertility rates across Member
States to that of the forerunners over the very longterm.
The total fertility rate (TFR) is projected to
rise from 1.59 in 2013 to 1.68 by 2030 and further
to 1.76 by 2060 for the EU as a whole. In the euro
area, a similar increase is projected, from 1.56 in
2013 to 1.72 in 2060.
The fertility rate is projected to increase over the
projection period in nearly all Member States, with
the exception of Ireland, France and Sweden (the
frontrunner, with values above 1.9), whereas in the
UK it is projected to remain stable. Consequently,
fertility rates in all countries are expected to
remain below the natural replacement rate of 2.1 in
the period to 2060.
http://ec.europa.eu/economy_finance/publications/european_economy/2014/pdf/ee8_en.pdf
>>55927445
It's common knowledge birthrates are correlated to economic development and access to education.
It's not backed by real data that because you're non white you have more babies.
poor countries make more babies because they're poor, not because they're black.
all countries are developing and is becoming rarer for little girls to have 6-7 kids.
>>55927795
>I rather let my culture die than to force it upon non europeans
holy kek
pathetic
The white man has really became ultra.c.uck.
>>55927815
>All my knowledge comes from pol memes.
http://www.christianpost.com/news/muslim-refugees-are-being-baptized-and-converting-to-christianity-says-berlin-pastor-144554/
LOL
>>55928360
>For the EU as a whole, annual net in
flows of migrants are projected to
increase from about 36,000 people in 2013 to 1,363,000 by 2040
What.the.fuck.
Lets move on:
>The total fertility rate (TFR) is projected to
rise from 1.59 in 2013 to 1.68 by 2030 and further
to 1.76 by 2060 for the EU as a whole. In the euro
area, a similar increase is projected, from 1.56 in
2013 to 1.72 in 2060.
This is including immigrants and I think pic related brings your point much better across.
Even if Muslims are below the replacement birthrate they are still far above the native one.
Also you didn't answer my point about the aging population.
>>55928977
It's normal population demographics.
arabs are having right now the same boom europeans post WWII had.
sure, noone complained back then whites breed like rabbits in 1960 and is only a concern when this white population boom has become old.
Same shit will happen in muslim countries, just let the average population to become older.
Having kids is not like breeding dogs or rats, fucking retards.
Noone wants to raise 7 children, at worse, most people want to raise one or two.
>>55928977
Islam used to represent, as you previously mentioned, Africa’s main religion and there were 30 African languages that used to be written in Arabic script. The number of Muslims in Africa has diminished to 316 million, half of whom are Arabs in North Africa. So in the section of Africa that we are talking about, the non Arab section, the number of Muslims does not exceed 150 million people. When we realize that the entire population of Africa is one billion people, we see that the number of Muslims has diminished greatly from what it was in the beginning of the last century. On the other hand, the number of Catholics has increased from one million in 1902 to 329 million 882 thousand (329,882,000). Let us round off that number to 330 million in the year 2000.
As to how that happened, well
.there are now 1.5 million churches whose congregations account for 46 million people. In every hour, 667 Muslims convert to Christianity. Everyday, 16,000 Muslims convert to Christianity. Ever year, 6 million Muslims convert to Christianity
These numbers are very large indeed …..
http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina31103.htm
>>55929315
>arabs are having right now the same boom europeans post WWII had.
Yeah in European countries, further paving the way of turning natives into a minority.
>Having kids is not like breeding dogs or rats, fucking retards.
When Europeans fail to have one child then Muslims with 1+ will out breed them eventually (obviously only when we extrapolate).
You do however have to consider that not only is their birthrate higher there is also a constant flow of immigrants from the middle east and Africa.
>Islam used to represent, as you previously mentioned Africa’s main religion
I did? Pretty sure it always was Christianity. Islam is only big the north-east and east to my knowledge. I do not see the relevance tho.
Your original point was that Muslims can never ever become a majority in Europe.
>>55903072
You're so retarded.
>>55930461
>replace turning natives
what?
look at your picture.
muslims birth is 2.1
that's barelly above replacement levels.
It's wont magically turn a population that is 3.5% in europe into a majority.
>breed them eventually
by what?
magic?
>inmigration
sure, and that can be solved by stricted borders and actually trying to solve ISIS problem and trying to stop the violence in africa+ME.
>can never
muslims are only 3.5% of europe population.
Taking into account lots of them are converting to christianity and noone in their mind wants to go to mosques every day, I don't see europe becoming a califate.
Have you seen my posts about mulisms converting to christianity in droves?
Sure, there's 2 million refugees in europe, but 6 millions muslims are converting to christianity in africa every year.
>>55930899
nice level of debate, typical of a pol retard.
>>55903072
https://ia800304.us.archive.org/12/items/Decline-Of-The-West-Oswald-Spengler/Decline_Of_The_West.pdf
>>55932051
decline != disapear
of course european influence will decrease.
>>55932182
A LEER
>>55931359
>muslims birth is 2.1
>that's barelly above replacement levels.
Its still above the native European one hence they will eventually become a minority.
>magic?
math
>sure, and that can be solved by stricted borders
Sure it can be solved that way but we are thinking of a future where it doesn't happen.
>I don't see europe becoming a califate.
Because you are ignoring facts and statistics. Again, what happens to the relative amount of Muslims when the baby boomer generation dies?
>Sure, there's 2 million refugees in europe, but 6 millions muslims are converting to christianity in africa every year.
How is this in any way related?
>nice level of debate, typical of a pol retard.
This fits for you too: You're basically saying: Europeans will never become a minority in their countries because the muslim birthrate is below 2,1
So what? They do not need to be above 2,1. The only need to be above the European birthrate.
Come on, this is basic math.
>>55909994
Euros don't have to let them. Have you heard of democracy?
>>55933067
sure, let's put math again.
2.1 means on average they will have two kids.
What does this mean?
that when the father and the mother dies, the same number stays.
One kid for the parent, another for the mother.
Women need to make two kids, one that replaces her and the other replaces the parent.
Right?
This doesn't mean it suddenly by just replacing their parents, it doesn't mean suddenly there's four or five times the population.
You will need a fucking miracle let alone having a full blown world war on europe to make that 3.5% becomes 40% let alone the 10% most projections say it will happen in 2050.
I'm surprised pol level of delusion.
2 + 2 don't become magically 50 or 40.
>>55933177
sure, this is why I don't get pol.
for sharia law it will mean it'll have to be enforced, something the vast majority of politicians and average people are against it.
>>55903072
Shut up. Colombiano de mierda! A callar tercer mundista! NEGRO!
>>55933769
>2 + 2 don't become magically 50 or 40.
They don't have to when Europeans struggle to even have +1. Its like a race where your opponent doesn't even leave the start line, eventually you will win.
>let alone the 10% most projections say it will happen in 2050.
These projections usually only include the birthrate alone and not net immigration nor the death of the baby boomer generation.
>>55903072
Caleño hijueputa!!!!
>>55934137
dude, you're talking that a population that is barely 4% will become the majority.
for that to happen, it will require an extensive genocide+war and pretty much all ME moving to europe + every muslim having dozens of kids.
there's less than 20 million non europeans on europe, less alone muslims.
For it to believe 20 millions to become magically 350 (half of whites) in a par of decades it's just stupidity.
>>55933970
>>55934358
>butthurt nigger.
>>55934643
>dude, you're talking that a population that is barely 4% will become the majority.
In most european countries its between 4-8%.
>for that to happen, it will require an extensive genocide+war and pretty much all ME moving to europe + every muslim having dozens of kids.
No it doesn't, just look at the pic
>there's less than 20 million non europeans on europe, less alone muslims.
Yet. Even the report you posted earlier that about 40 million immigrants will come until 2040.
>>55934885
bro, europe is around 700 million whites.
even if we kill half by any means including old age, there will still be 350 million whites.
Even if we take your 40 million, it will mean plus the 20 there are, 60 millions.
That's hardly a majority, even with full ride on inmigration and losing half it's population.
For them to replace the older population it will mean every muslim to make 10 kids, which is unrealistic and contradicts the data.
Even taking the more tinfoil projection, europe will still be a white majority.
>>55935377
Alguien CALLE A ESTE NEGRO HIJUEPUTA!!!
Que hace este comentando en una board de arios?
>What is he doing posting shit on a pure race board?
>>55935851
>este bobo hijueputa se emputa cuando le matan el circlejerk
LOL
>>55935377
>bro, europe is around 700 million whites.
Including turkey. The EU has around 500 million people and around 50 million of them are Muslims (and 8 million Africans).
However, those Muslims are not equally distributed since most of them are in western Europe. According to most projections around 2060-70 whites will be 49,9% in germany/UK/france.
>Even if we take your 40 million, it will mean plus the 20 there are, 60 millions.
This is not how demographics work. For example: Around 1,5 million refugees will come to Germany this year - the official factor for each refugee is 4x due to family reunions/higher birthrate.
>>55935851
>arios
>>55936055
>all europe is just germany plus france
kek tard
keep telling me how muslims moving to germany will mean poland or other shitholes like greece or serbia will become majority muslim.
>>55935851
Pure race Board?
hahaha, Judio
>>55936595
>keep telling me how muslims moving to germany will mean poland or other shitholes like greece or serbia will become majority muslim.
Considering they are the most important and symbolic countries in the EU its a big deal.
I do agree with you however that there probably won't be a Muslim majority in the eastern and south-eastern European states. There was probably a misunderstanding here because I was only speaking for western Europe here.
>>55903072
Brain drain. Everyone who is smart will leave Europe to get away from the Muslims and Europe will die.
Smart people want to have daughters without having to worry about the hugely increased chance of rape resulting from Muslim immigration.
>>55936905
this is my problem with pol thinking.
It's just a bunch of asumptions that fall apart if you start thinking deeply about them.
>>55937200
>It's just a bunch of asumptions that fall apart if you start thinking deeply about them.
This never happened tho. You failed to proof that western Europe won't have a Muslim majority by the end of this century (or earlier).
I really don't understand how you cannot see that when you have a rising population and one that falls that you will have a break-even point.
>>55937604
>mulism majority
>all europe is france+germany
>>55937820
All of the EU has freedom of movement. The ones who don't get out in time are fucked too.
>>55938052
>muslims will move from paris to countryside serbia
LOOL
>>55937820
>mulism majority
>western Europe
I literally never saw someone on /pol/ saying that eastern europe will have a muslim majority. Stop using that strawman.
Furthermore since you avoid that point, do you think that western europe will have a Muslim majority in the future?
It's not the sandniggers destroying our culture, it's the idiotic SJWs.
Our culture isn't being destroyed from outside, but from within.
>>55938228
okay, non trolling aside, I believe is mostly a matter of the major cities will become infested.
I don't think the rural parts will be target of heavy inmigration.
>>55938330
I do agree on this.
>>55938420
>I believe is mostly a matter of the major cities will become infested.
Definitely true.
>I don't think the rural parts will be target of heavy inmigration.
The problem is that especially rural areas will suffer extremely due to the lack of children i.e. they will die out.
>>55938171
They will destroy Northern European economies long before they get a majority.
>>55936908
>Brain drain. Everyone who is smart will leave Europe to get away from the Muslims and Europe will die.
>Smart people want to have daughters without having to worry about the hugely increased chance of rape resulting from Muslim immigration.
Now this is a silly exaggeration. People want to leave Europe exclusively for economic reasons, and even then only in places like Spain and Italy.
I do agree though that the rate of overall decline in Europe is amazing especially since 1945. I think the continent at the end of the century will be impoverished and probably less populated than today and that overall a multipolar and globalised world where everything is a race to the bottom, and there are only elites and plebs with a much smalles middle class will eventually give way to a capitalist-socialist tyranny and choke off the Western Faustian spirit.
Christianism in Europe is very weak already and the world will end up with a mixture of Islam, new age beliefs, Christian sects but mostly Atheists.
Poland and Russia, et al, are not "the West" proper, and probably will be the successor to it.
Freedom of expression is already curtailed to some degree and in a future tyranny when living from paycheck to paycheck (coming from a basic universal salary probably) is the reality for 90% of the population people won't even know how to rebel effectively, just look at how Millenials behave today.
No one cares about philosophy already, the West has been in decline for more than a century now and all thought is eminently practical and production/capitalism oriented.
What western values are still out there? I mostly only see consumerism and capitalism everywhere. Who cares about western art anyway? I guarantee you that those rich Chinese who are becoming part of the global elite don't care about understanding even 10% of the old art they see when they travel in Europe.
>>55920652
>How many others of them convert to Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism or just plain atheism? MILLIONS.
TOP KEK. Where are these millions of muslims converting to Buddhism or Judaism? (you can't even convert to hinduism retard). The thought of mass muslim conversions to Judaism made me laugh so hard I spilled my wine.
>>55938799
>Christianism in Europe is very weak already and the world will end up with a mixture of Islam, new age beliefs, Christian sects but mostly Atheists.
I'm not sure about that. People long for systems and values and this is a pretty strong point of Islam.
Heck, I'm not religious but even I thought sometimes about converting due to all the benefits.
>>55938420
That is another feature of the end-stage of a civ, all life and vitality is centered on large cities that become decadent and fall.
>>55939072
If we don't end up with an atheist majority I'd put my money on new agey beliefs such as "The Secret" or Eastern religions. Islam imo isn't the sort of religion that can become dominant at this point in history; it would be a parallel move instead of an evolutionary change.
The world went from shamanism / primitive beliefs to polytheism, and then to monotheism which is more philosophically refined. Only more abstract forms of mysticism could be seen by the masses as something "new" to accept.
>>55938590
I don't think smaller town will become muslim infected.
If anything and at worse, it will mean paris and berlin will become non white cities.
I don't see muslims spreading over every small town and remote village.
If things get really bad, I do think there will be a movement of europeans towards those areas, but mostly of people born and raised in their homelands.
>>55938652
Europe economy is already destroyed since 2008, m8.
>>55938799
Europe will decline, this is the normal cycle of empires.
They last around 255 years and europe had controlled the world around the same time.
>race to the bottom
It's more like poor countries are getting the jobs companies can't afford in first world wages.
>christianism in europe is very weak
not in other parts of the world.
catolicism is very strong in latinoamerica and even south korea is the major exporter of christian missionaires in africa.
>Poland and russia
they will keep their racial purity, be 100% whites.
>is already curtailed
this doesn't take into account how internet relates to social movements today, how young people are getting their values from.
>future tyrany
full benjamin fulford tinfoil cock.
>no one cares about philosophy
it has become irrelevant, STEM has proven more effectively as intelectual enterprise and method of research.
>western values are still out there
you don't see them because you take them for granted.
stuff like human rights are common and there are organizations dedicated to their protection around the world.
>old art
full retard.
fine art is just a way to make money.
current art that is done by old techniques still exist in terms of games and film, which are the current most popular art forms.
Just take any AAA 3D model and is basically a sculpture that rivals old masters.
>>55939568
>If we don't end up with an atheist majority I'd put my money on new agey beliefs such as "The Secret" or Eastern religions. Islam imo isn't the sort of religion that can become dominant at this point in history
How do you come to this conclusion? Especially if you consider the "weak pull" this religions have.
>it would be a parallel move instead of an evolutionary change.
I would call it a pendulum swing. People returning to a more conservative lifestyle because they long for stability.
>>55939109
sure, an older culture may die, but all the major cultures will keep going simply because people don't magically die and teach their kids the ways of other cultures.
culture is so basic, there's even diferences in soccer national styles.
I was amazed when I looked at norway vs hungary last week, it looked so diferent than our soccer.
Killing a culture means stuff like banning a language.
Do you seriously think german language don't give germans their culture?
Do you seriously think they will stop speaking german and that german will stop giving the people their german mentality?
Killing a culture is not something easy bro.
>>55939655
>I don't think smaller town will become muslim infected.
True. Even if western Europe has a Muslim majority you would still find villages and towns with 99% native Europeans but they still would be a minority if you consider the whole demographic of that particular country.
Well, I finished my cigar so I'm going offline. Was fun talking to you.
>>55939906
pretty much this.
the old western values will decline because of people getting tired of degeneracy.
so people will try to come back to more traditional values.
women are already getting sick of all the SJW drama and consensual sex is rape crap.
>>55940171
sure, have a nice day.
>>55939906
Because like I said, new age and eastern beliefs are more philosophically complex than Christianity and Islam, in the same sense Christianity was more refined than the other competing cults in late Rome. It's where historical evolution is headed even if we can't see the logistics of how it will happen
>>55941465
I don't see new age taking over in latinoamerica or africa.
Western culture is dominant and pretty much the most advanced, much like ancient Romans, like them hordes are moving in, and like Romans, birthrates aren't high. Romans don't exist today now do they, your argument is INVALID.
>>55940020
It still happens. Compare Germany in 1933 vs now. Europe in general was an alien world before WW2. You can crush a culture even if language and customs persist i.e., replace the elite, condemn the population to poverty, brainwash them, etc.
Also consider China before vs after the Revolution. China today is culturally bankrupt even if they keep their customs and crazy language (that's why some people turn to Christianism there)
>>55942408
It will evolve, which every culture has the same.
Do you think Colombia in La violencia is like 2015 colombia?
>>55941707
Because Latin america and Africa aren't the west properly, are less evolved historically and philosophically. Even so the elites in there turn to The Secret stuff and reiki and yoga and what not, or to atheism
>>55942763
europe is basically atheist at this point.
dunno what pol cries about, the current european culture is the one they keep crying about as cultural marxism and shit.
Old european culture is dead, if by old you mean baroque or some pre WWII shit.
