He's right, this is horse shit, convicted felons don't deserve this. Employers need to mind their own damn business!
>>55860977
What they SHOULD be banning is the credit check for employment.
Obviously that would help whites AND niggers so that's out of the question. Only niggers deserve help hence this bullshit.
For real. Business owners have NO right knowing what kind of people they're trusting with their livelihoods.
I can't wait for this guy to die.
I will read the news with great joy that day. Looks like I'll have to wait 40-50 years, though, assuming he dies of old age.
>>55860977
Would you want a convicted fraudster working at your bank?
Would you want a convicted rapist working in the cube next to your wife?
Would you want a convicted child diddler serving your kids pizza at Chuck E. Cheese?
>>55860977
>Employers need to mind their own damn business!
The background of their employees, which may become a liability, is their business
>>55861284
I can understand disliking him, but why die?
>>55860977
they are going to search you anyway because of insurance/liability
>>55861250
they really don't have any choice
>>55860977
What about sex offenders and working with minors? Checkmate libertarians
Or just don't break the law you dumb nigger.
>>55861250
The government should just pick names out of hats for all jobs. Nobody can be discriminated against if nobody gets to make any actual free choices!
Jon Oliver has already surpassed Jon Stewart in being a liberal kek. How is that even possible?
>>55860977
@12:40
https://youtu.be/umqvYhb3wf4
>Thinking John Oliver could be right about anything.
Listening to Dick Pants, at all
>le current year, come on guize
>>55861331
Would you want to be defined by your past actions, even though you no longer are that person? Christ dude stop being a fucking bigot.
>>55861501
its 2015
>>55861501
Jon Stewart was actually funny and made good points occasionally
He was also openly jewish and high up enough in the system (his brother owns the NYSE) that he actually was in on all the crazy news and could plan ahead, Oliver has to play catch up and follow the real news first like everyone else.
>>55860977
Come on guys, we shouldn't judge people on what happened in the past. What's past is past. ;)
WHITE PEOPLE NEED TO APOLOGIZE FOR SLAVERY AND PAY US FOR EVERYTHING I CANT BELIEVE THESE FUCKINGNAZIS
>>55861471
What about them?
>>55860977
of course. employers should always hire murderers, rapists, and other things
>>55861526
this
>listening to some foreign faggot about what happens in our country
>>55861250
Hires baby sitter for your 5 year old
Picks the guy that went to prison for sexual assaulting a 5 year old
Flawless logic
>>55861564
BUILD
>>55860977
to be fair, it is kind of shitty that you did jail time and everything but your crime will still haunt you
>>55861331
As long as they aren't white
>Criminals can't get a job
>Wonder why criminals go back to criminal life
Hmm..
>>55861250
>>55861331
>>55861339
>>55861471
>>55861484
People change you neanderthals, it's 2015 for Christ's sake.
He addressed your argument by showing how absurd it would be if a job application form brought up something embarrassing that you might have done in the past.
Prove that this isn't the same damned thing as committing a felony.
>>55861516
>Implying a population drop would kill a nation
>Implying that cripple is reason enough to let so many in
Literal kek on screen.
>>55861250
businesses have a right to not hire idiots who run up their credit
>>55860977
It's the present, I mean c'mon, it's almost the future!
>>55860977
So is Mr. Twinta Fiftan hiring ex cons?
>>55861707
He served his time. There is no need to keep punishing him. Pedophiles are the most discriminated against group in America right now.
and britcucs need to stay in their own muslim countries.
>>55860977
uhh. they definitely need to know if they're hiring a felon.
>>55861982
>Pedophiles are the most discriminated against group in America right now
and?
>>55861982
wew lad
>Trump has mandated that every state pass a bill outlining civil service requirements for convicted felons of specified sentences to reenter the workforce with documentation proving readjustment to society in an effort to improve the participation rate and lower crime statistics
>millions of felons flee to Germany to collect dole in light of recent policy announcement
>>55862019
So what's the point of putting them in prison (and rehabilitation in most circumstances)?
Why bother having the check box at all? What are they going to do, hire them and then put armed security guards at their cubicle?
It would be easier to just not bother asking at all since they have served their time, or just out right say "You can't apply for this job if you have at one point committed a felony".
>make some bad choices
>end up with a felony conviction, do a few months time and its all over
>now nobody wants to hire you because you sold marijuana to someone
>forced to go back to crime to find a way to survive
>>55860977
>Employers need to mind their own damn business!
Who an employer chooses to hire is literally their business. Like it couldn't be any more their business.
>>55861982
>Pedophiles are the most discriminated against group in America right now.
Your point is?
Though I do believe that committing a felony should not have as much as an impact as it currently has
While your past actions are important, it shouldnt lead to a cycle of continuing those actions
What year is this?
>>55861982
>Pedophiles are the most discriminated against group in America right now.
Good.
>>55861789
Depends on the felony. But embarrassment certainly isn't on the same level as serious crime.
>>55861982
Good.
>>55861564
In fact the only bigot in your exchange is you because you are showing intolerance of his opinion on the matter.
I know English can be difficult to learn, keep trying :^)
>>55861564
People with numerous convictions probably still are that person. And how can you know whether it was recent if you don't allow them to check, they could have just got a year for child rape and you were the first place they walked to when they got out
>>55862209
>marijuana was illegal
>hear about people going to jail for it
>sell it anyway
Nice.
>>55861789
Interesting point. Did people change when it was 2014? Or did they just start start changing in the current year?
>>55860977
For a government job yes for a private job no.
/thread
Guys, maybe you could stop circlejerking for a second and realize that's not what's being proposed. All that would be banned is requiring that the criminal history question be asked in a face-to-face interview rather than on the application form.
A measure to help ex-cons get their foot in the door and have a chance to prove themselves in person is fairly reasonable.
Dick Pants sucking on smelly, dick cheese encrusted cocks hard core right now
>>55862228
2001? 9/11 never forget.
>>55861369
polluting the youngs' minds with garbage propaganda
>>55862209
>forced
kek
What did your mom not raise you right?
>>55861711
This the whole point dumbass it's a deterrent to abstain from crime since shitskins and retards are too dense to just be decent humans
>>55862474
I think people gained the ability to change once Bruce became Caitlyn
>>55861564
It's not easy to get a fucking felony, cùck. I'm not hiring scum, period.
>"le people change!"
More like "I got caught being a criminal once and now I want unconditional forgiveness from strangers and infinite chances to continue being a degenerate"
>niggers getting arrested and go to prison for stupid shit
>whites and hispanics get arrested and go to prison for the same stupid shit
>more niggers do stupid shit than whites and hispanics.
"Asking someone if they've ever been convicted of a felony is RACIST towards African Americans!!!!"
>>55861982
Bro,
I'm more for giving ex-cons a chance since they've served their time than anybody, but I'm also a pedophile and I think leaving your kids alone with a sex offender who's registered for a legitimate reason is a stupid fucking idea.
>>55860977
One thing that should be outlawed is background check companies reporting anything besides convictions. I have a felony and a misdemeanor arrest on my record, but no convictions. It can still show up on a background check and ruin my chances at getting hired.
>>55862441
>someone making a mistake when they're 19 should define their entire lives
The punishment should end after release
There wouldn't be so many repeat criminals if they weren't screwed out of finding a job without connections
>>55862528
It was an example, not me
Do you expect them to just become homeless or something
>>55862593
lol
>>55861982
Pedos, along with rapists, thieves, murdered deserve nothing short of extermination, and they should consider punishment short of that a gift and stop complaining.
>>55861982
I have a much better solution to this problem for pedophiles
Current Year man is right in the sense that treating these people like criminals for the rest of their lives and refusing them any kind of opportunity to re-integrate themselves into society is basically going to guarantee that they'll stay criminal, but on the other hand most of these people really are just antisocial scum you will never truly be able to trust. On the other hand you can't just do nothing with them. The best thing would probably be to get them on some kind of government dole, but people would be pissed off that they're essentially being rewarded for being unemployable scum. It's still probably the best way to keep their criminal behavior to a minimum without entrusting them with people's businesses.
>>55860977
>Hear about jail
>u need to do something shitty to get in there
>its a bad place
>you cant get a job after you get out
>i don't want to go to jail
>do something shitty
>in jail now
>get out
>cant get a job
How could this happen?
>>55861516
>12:40
>le outlier represents the entire group fallacy
Protip when they try this in a debate say something like "ok if I find you one sweet anti gay marriage person therefore they are all good"
Throw that shit right back at them.
>>55861516
>3:40
>fleeing everything from civil war to economic stagnation
Even the British Year-Announcing Liberal admits that plenty of them aren't actually real refugees.
Non violent crimes, sure, if they prove themselves to be a productive member of society
But murderers and rapists and pedos, they should keep the felony with them
one of the few advantages i have in this life is that i've never been convicted of a felony
keks like you want to take that away
>>55861982
LOL you just confessed to owning child pornography and advocating child molestation.
>>55862669
I don't want to make any assumptions, so please enlighten me with your hypothetical situation in which someone is forced to commit a crime that doesn't involve a gun being pointed against their head
>>55862731
>is basically going to guarantee that they'll stay criminal
Lel o it teaches them a very valuable lesson and ensures that they have no way of ever committing the same crime again unless they really are full retard.
Ex-criminals keep their heads down and do everything they can to stay out of trouble and not bother anybody.
If you don't want to have a shit life don't be a shit person, abstaining from breaking the law is pretty goddamn simple unless you're a shithead
>>55862856
Except those groups being heavily discriminated against and not being able to get a leg up affects rehabilitation and their psychological health and makes them more likely to re-offend.
The problem is everyone wants to treat it like a witch hunt instead of actually trying to prevent further offenses by these individuals.
>>55861789
Embarrassing is farting in an elevator.
A felony likely entails a serious disregard for laws, and thus society.
>>55862731
How about this. Uncle Sam takes the liability and employs him for 5 years and if he is incident free after 5 years he doesn't have to check that box. Deal?
>>55862711
but thats a sexual orientation
you shouldnt hurt someone because they like and enjoy something different than you
>>55861789
>He addressed your argument by showing how absurd it would be if a job application form brought up something embarrassing that you might have done in the past.
uh its called a background check...many jobs private and public actually do do this.
>>55861982
pedos should be shot and pissed on, then cast into a shallow grave. you're either a pedo yourself or a fucking idiot.
>>55861369
He's a fucking liar with terrible values.
>>55860977
>Employers need to mind their own damn business!
Employers need to mind their own damn business!
Employers need to mind their own damn business!
Employers need to mind their own damn business!
THEY ARE!!!!
>>55862945
>can't get hired because of felony
>welp its either starve to death or go back to the only thing I know
Its not that hard to understand
>>55860977
I actually agree with this guy.
I think it's more harmful for felons to be forced to notify their potential employer that they had committed felonies.
I believe that this causes them to simply run out of money and then go out and commit more felonies.
>>55860977
Yeah because if you have somebody working for you that has robbed and killed before why should you know? Honestly he's getting way too liberal on too much shit.
>>55860977
mfw John Oliver is no better than Piers Morgan anymore
>>55863256
So if I'm understanding you correctly, there are no felons that work as employees for a legitimate business? It's not something I've ever bothered looking into before, but that sounds incorrect.
>>55860977
Meh, if you don't like the question, you don't have to answer it. Just go apply for a job somewhere else.
>>55861486
Kek
>>55863130
I'd rather uncle sam just give him money so he'll stay inside his house and jerk off and smoke weed all day and leave me alone instead of uncle sam giving him money so I have to deal with him when I go to the DMV or have him go through my mail or something.
>>55863256
Since the government rehabilitated him the government should employ him temporarily to make sure he actually learned something.
>>55860977
I've heard about places requiring you to get a police check done at your own expense. Which is $10 here, but it adds up.
>Apply for job
>Get interview
>They give you a police check form, tell you to return it
>Then they decide if you'll be hired
>>55860977
To be fair plenty of felonies are BS and don't affect your job at all. My brother has a felony conviction for BASE jumping off a cliff.
>>55863372
>There are no felons that work for legitimate businesses
There are but they had to go through hell to get there.
>>55863372
Most of the time they fall in with companies through connections. Construction work/non franchise restaurants and what not.
Other low skill work won't hire them (factories, etc.)
>>55863506
I went through hell to land my shitty job and I've never even jaywalked before.
>>55863256
Are you telling me there are no instances of out of jail and into work programs provided by your states? No instances of businesses getting a handout for accepting felons?
>>55863505
Like my dad hired a guy that had non violent drug charges for like hash and shit, but I would think a violent crime would be a different ballpark
>>55862634
>I'm also a pedophile
If somebody asked you to babysit their kids without knowing this, would you except?
Just how much of a pedophile are you?
>>55863598
Can you imagine how hard life would be if you tried to get the same job with a felony drug conviction?
>>55863372
>>55863506
>>55863568
you can literally google for 100's of well known corporations that will hire felons. People really need to learn the difference between NOT being able to get a job and NOT being able to get the job you really want.
>>55863730
What are you some kind of pedophilephile? Just exchange skype names and gtfo.
>>55860977
Fuck off Tyrone.
>>55860977
he didn't really argue against this did he? Why do liberals love criminals so much?
>>55863774
Something being hard != being forced to commit a crime
The real tragedy is that there are qualified people who aren't felons that can't find jobs.
#banunemployment #its2015
>>55863506
>implying that's a bad thing
>>55860977
I understand it's a shame that people who have done very small felonies or people who have learned their lesson have to be categorized so harshly, but employers have an actual natural right to ask such a question.
Also
>Employers need to mind their own damn business!
They are. topkek
>>55863838
Because it's more beneficial to society to be able to introduce former criminal offenders back into said society and have them contribute rather than saying "nah no job 4 u" and then having them go back to commit crimes again.
>>55863706
Very few prisons have programs like that or ones you can get a 2 year degree at.
It also becomes easier to get a job the longer period of time you've gone without a felony, depending on the severity. If its a drug charge from 10 years ago you might get off with it. If it was an armed robbery you just got out for you'll likely have trouble. If you were convicted for murder you're pretty much screwed though because people are scared of that kind of thing.
>Work at a bank
>Do background checks on all applicants
>See one person was found guilty of fraud and money laundering
>"UGH! IT'S 2015 WHY ARE YOU JUDGING ME FROM MY CRIMINAL BACKGROUND?"
>>55860977
Even if you make that illegal they are going to find out anyways. There are so many ways to find out someones background.
The only way to actually employ these people is with government provided jobs.
>>55861789
end all background checks and waiting period for weapons! It is absurd that a company wants to know MY past! What if i made a mistake that is really embaressing?!
this oppression needs to end. ITS 2015 CMON
>>55864101
I'm detecting sarcasm. Are you implying that some people can be bad, and because of that they do bad things? That's fucking prejudiced.
A tough deal for ex convicts, I'll admit to that. You do a crime, an ill against your community and country, the country decides instead of just gunning you then and there or something else shameful you serve time in relative isolation. The part we forget or never agreed upon, is that serving time means the community automatically absolves you of wrong doing and offers you the same opportunities as someone who didn't smuggle embezzle, or assault.
Exploring more employment opportunities for ex-cons at say, a federal level like enlistment is the solution. But a private company should be allowed to scrutinize any and all applicants.
>>55863878
If you were in the position of the felon, you would rather commit a crime and continue searching for a job than live on the streets.
Criminals are criminals. Most that have "done their time" didnt do time for the first thing they did. They got caught after 10, 20 or more times. To assume anything else is idiotic.
>>55860977
What episode is this from I'm calling bullshit.
>>55860977
Is it 2015?
>>55864371
It's almost 2016! you racist!
>>55864342
57, last week's episode
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Last_Week_Tonight_with_John_Oliver_episodes#ep57
>prisoner reentry
>>55864249
no sir, no sarcasm here
i would be happy to let any convicted felon be in charge of my finaces, or maybe even stay home and watch the kids!
That would be super
>>55864305
I understand empathizing with their situation, but no I wouldn't commit a crime that landed me in the situation to begin with. Although I wouldn't commit the initial crime anyway so I wouldn't have to worry about that.
>>55864594
Just stop this, you wannabe Momotarou. Japs don't know how to sarcasm.
>>55864667
It just depends on the background of the offender to begin with.
Criminal life is easy to fall into when your parents are both heavy drug addicts and you're basically living on your own from the age of 10
>>55864754
im not even japanese you wannabe sandnigger.
you out of all people should know that flags dont mean shit anymore
>>55862517
Let's be honest. Stupid people believe stupid things.
You can't fix stupid.
>>55863730
>If somebody asked you to babysit their kids without knowing this, would you except?
Tough question because I tend not to refuse friends when they ask me favors. It's a boy(s) then yeah no problem. With girls I'd try really hard to find a plausible excuse not to though.
>Just how much of a pedophile are you?
Well, I'm attracted to underage girls, but I keep myself under control very well... At least I think I do anyway. Loli manga is enough to keep the urges at bay. Being left alone with a young girl would probably be test of willpower though. So I stay away from them whenever I can.
Daily reminder that serving jail time appeases the government (ruling party) and doesnt necessarily appease the wronged community
>>55864768
I absolutely agree, and I empathize with that situation, but I don't agree that it makes the choice to commit a crime right. I also don't believe people in those situations are forced to remain in those situations, free will, in the face of great adversity, and all that.
>>55864942
are you registered?
>>55861919
LINK
>>55861789
Oh my god.
Does he really compare watermelon sex to murdering someone?
>>55865416
How is it any different?
>>55865416
It's almost like he's being facetious or something..
>>55860977
> Employers need to mind their own damn business
not sure if trolling or just retarded
>>55861516
>>55865658
>not sure if trolling or just retarded
not sure if trolling or just retarded
>>55860977
most business owners see it as an honesty question.
if you answered yes, you've at the very least been honest with a potential employer
if you answer no and they find out you're a convicted felon you've proven your dishonesty and your application can go into the trash
>>55865333
Nope. I've never actually committed a crime and, provided loli art remains legal in America, I don't plan to.
As fucked up as it is though, I'm kinda hoping that the whole theory about degenerate llberals/ jews trying to make pedophilia as accepted as homosexuality is true though. Make my life a lot easier.
[2015]
>>55860977
I work at a tax company where I have access to thousands of names, addresses, social security numbers, credit card numbers, etc. Why the fuck is it inappropriate to ask about criminal history?
>>55861564
>do you want to pay the consequences for your actions?
>waaaaaah
spic
>>55861789
>let me just hire this convicted fraudster who will have access to the social security numbers, credit card numbers, addresses, etc. of all of my clients
Fuck yourself.
>>55861789
A felony is usually a pretty serious crime, Anon. You don't just finish dinner one day, and while doing the dishes think "Oh, shit! I think I accidentally a felony on the way home from work." You don't murder somebody on accident. You don't commit armed robbery on accident. It takes forethought and a willingness to set your own desires above the common good.
>>55860977
It doesn't even matter.
Anyone that is hiring can do a background check and find out this information anyway.
So whatever.
Come on, it's 2015. Why can't felons buy guns?
>>55866363
Actually, nowadays you can commit a felony by accident without even leaving home. Go to your public law library sometime and see how many feet of shelf space the United States Code (federal laws) take up. Then there is the U.S. Administrative Code. Add in your State, County, and City (if applicable) laws. Probably about twenty-five feet of shelf space, on 8x11 inch pages. Are you sure you know them all? No one else does.
>>55866363
>A felony is usually a pretty serious crime, Anon. You don't just finish dinner one day, and while doing the dishes think "Oh, shit! I think I accidentally a felony on the way home from work."
True. However, since a range of non-violent drug offenses can be felonies though, I'd say that reform is necessary. I'm sure there's an argument about how degenerate drug use/possession and whether or not classifying such crimes as felonies is correct/just or not, but I'm personally against sentencing people in possession of or selling large amounts of weed, coke, heroin, or even illegally obtained prescriptions like xanax to decades in prison and subsequently making them unemployable for the rest of the their lives.
COME ON WHY CANT PEOPLE COMMIT CRIME WITH NO REPERCUSSION? ITS 2015 DAMMIT
UNLESS YOU ARE A WHITE MALE. REPUBLICANS AMIRITE?!
>>55866884
Possession I can sympathize with your viewpoint, even if I may not totally agree.
But selling? Selling large amounts? Fuck them.
>>55866884
Especially in the case of drug dealing. The reason they did it in the first place was to make money, and then not being able to legitimately earn money once they're out of jail/rehab/whatever...Well, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to guess what happens.
I'm a felon ask me anything
>>55867017
There is repercussions, it's called being arrested and put in jail.
>>55860977
hiring people that will be apartment complex maintenance men
>key access to every apartment
>no need to worry if you are hiring a rapist or thief
>>55861711
In most states you can have your criminal record expunged if
1) the crime you committed wasn't a serious one, like minor theft or misdemeanor assault as opposed to rape or murder
2) you make it a few years after getting out of jail without committing any more fucking crimes
>>55861982
>A salon.com employee
So you got a felony because you're a faggot and didn't play by the rules, aka being a law abiding citizen.
Spare us the tears you cry for something you remotely thought was a wise idea. You brought it upon yourself, you knew the consequences yet your faggot self still did it. You have no one else but yourself to blame.
You are forever branded a felon, to keep the rest of the population of law abiding citizens safe from you. Be glad you're even able to live outside of prison with your balls still attached to your body faggot.
You're a degenerate and will fuck it all up again because of your low IQ. Now deal with it faggots.
>>55861564
Might as well not ask for educational achievement. How much College you did is prying too much. Just because I don't have a degree doesn't mean I didn't do extensive home study that can match it. Don't ask for employment records as well, what I did to get fired from my last job should not be relevant to this one.
>>55862856
Pedos and rapists should be publicly executed though.
>>55861250
There's no point in releasing criminals to society if access to gainful, sustainable employment is blocked.
If they did the time, they paid for their crime.
>>55867730
>pedos should be execute
You tell them anon! Thought crimes are punishable by death
>>55861789
The extremely high recidivism rate says otherwise. People don't change.
>>55867017
That's just it though. Incarceration is supposed to be the repercussion. You do your time, and then you're supposed to rejoin society. Except in reality, after having done your time, you're almost unemployable. So your choices are homelessness (and vagrancy is a crime in some places), or falling into illegitimate lines of work.
>>55867079
>Possession I can sympathize with your viewpoint, even if I may not totally agree
If you can sympathize with possession, why not with sellers? Where else are people supposed to get their drugs? I can understand being against violent criminal elements like cartels and gangs, but there are dudes in federal prison right now for having an arbitrary amount of pot or coke.
I was watching a thing yesterday on NatGeo, and you can get 19 fucking years for having more than an amount of meth deemed for personal use. I don't condone meth usage or sale myself, but two fucking decades and a lifetime of unemployement afterward for, if you discount addicts stealing to pay for their habits, what is essentially a victimless crime?
>>55867141
Why were you stupid enough to get caught?
>>55867151
Yes, and If I am an employer I have the right to know if you have been to jail and the reason.
>>55867884
Got greedy. Didn't quit while I was ahead. I feel like greed is a huge downfall for a lot of people.
>>55860977
Guys get charged for felonies if they can't make child support.
So you got people who cycle in and out of prisons who can't afford to make those payments because they can't get jobs to pay for themselves and child payment because "into the trash it goes" due to background checks.
>>55867875
I just don't sympathize with sellers. Seen too many people reselling their painkillers for "extra cash" that are on disability making more money than people who work, shit like that.
>>55868037
Sounds about right. Let me guess, you got away with some shit, so got comfortable doing it, and eventually got caught?
Also, as a felon, do you feel employers should be able to ask and judge you? I feel they should.
>>55860977
So damn true. Everyone's records need to be expunged now!
>>55861707
But dude,come on! let me tell you a secret
Its 2015
>>55860977
Is there a chance that he's doing the most liberal version of colbert's character? I mean, this shit is just so fucking crazy out of here that it has to be parody.
>>55861982
There's nothing preventing an employer from hiring the convicted child molester... but the employer has the right to be able to make an informed decision about the people he chooses to hire.
>>55868220
>got away with some shit, so got comfortable doing it, and eventually got caught?
Yes. Although to be fair there's plenty I got away with and did not get caught for.
>do you feel employers should be able to ask and judge you?
Of course not it's 2015. All kidding aside, I think if you paid your debt to society (like I did), you shouldn't have to disclose it. Unless you're a sex offender of course, they are often put on lifetime probation for good reason. But a lot of guys I was locked up with were good guys and just wanted to get out and "start over". I don't think there's much of an option for us, which is one reason why you see so much recividism.
>>55862189
Implying any of that shit js the business owners problem.
There should be a box that says that, but someone will probably cry about that too. At least with the "did you commit a felony" thing they have somewhat of a chance to maybe get past it if interviewed.
If the government wants to rehabilitate them then that's their problem.
If I'm running a business I should know if my employees are convicted felons. I'm not in the business of rehabing criminals. Why do innocent business owners deserve to have their livelihoods put at risk by being forced to hire known criminals.
The recidivism rate is high. There is a very good reason you do not hire known felons.
They're putting the cart before the horse. Felons don't keep getting rearrested because they can't find a job, businesses don't hire them because felons will almost certainly commit a crime again and they don't want to be on the receiving end of it.
Liberal emotional pleading is taking an already stupid philosophy to an even more retarded extent.
You're mistaking the government wanting to rehabilitate them for being a private business owners problem to help out with (with no consent of their own to do so).
Personally I don't give a fuck about rehabbing them. I care more about the victims.
They did the crime. I don't care. Your past should haunt you. People make decisions about who you are based on their past information they know about you. It's really fucking important to know this big thing in a persons past.
>>55862335
>>55862384
>>55866135
>commit felony
>serve your time
>released
>want to get a job and try to live out the rest of your life as normally as you can
>nobody hires you because felon
>can't make money
>end up selling drugs or some shit so you aren't homeless
>get arrested again
>everybody assumes you haven't changed and now you have even less of a chance of being hired when you get out
Criminal justice system at its finest.
>>55868037
Selling drugs then? Or were you into theft or some shit?
Given the opportunity and knowing what you did to get caught, would you do it again/do you think you could get away with it?
>>55868220
>Seen too many people reselling their painkillers for "extra cash" that are on disability making more money than people who work, shit like that.
Well yeah, those guys are dicks. I'd say prosecute them for fucking over the disability system rather than the drugs.
Felon status and sex offender registries should not exist.
You are either in prison or you are not in prison and a normal citizen.
>>55868606
>make awful choice
>expect an employer to want to hire a documented fuck up to handle their business
Fuck you
>>55861789
A crime is your background in exactly the same way that education is your background. If you set the precedent that previous convicted crimes don't affect who you are today you must logically conclude that previous education does not affect who you are.
>>55860977
What about the co-workers who will be working with felons now? Do they not deserve to know? I mean its their safety and all
>>55868528
Yeah, I get what you're saying. I had a talk with a guy who was having problems finding a job, he had a DUI. Was upset that it was ruining the rest of his life. I said yeah, but if they can choose between you and the guy who never fucked up before, they're not going to choose you. This is just for unskilled labor, the guy is a lifelong alcoholic. He did wind up finding work eventually, but after a couple months, decided to "stay home sick" on a Tuesday. Since he was "home sick", why not get some beers? He never made it back into work that week, then was surprised they called him on Monday to tell him he didn't have a job anymore.
I think here you can get a Queen's Pardon after so many years and clean your record off. Maybe that is the solution?
>>55861331
>blatant fear mongering
Oh wow, in our great and free country we get to be punished TWICE or maybe THREE times for the first offense? Man, it must be great never being forgiven and getting judged to be guilty even if you haven't done anything!
Newsflash, you should only get in trouble if you are doing something now. Unless there is clearly a very long history, you should only be actually barred if you commit the act. This is paramount for a free society. Otherwise, what stops Social Double Jeopardy? What is the point of rehabilitation if you can't live life anymore without invisible shackles everywhere?
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>>55868689
I've had things rough the past decade, so have had to live with a lot of these guys (alcoholics, drug users) because of my medical problems. The things they do piss me off, but I realize they are sick.
Disability fraud is pretty high. Guys on disability selling their painkillers (so why do they even need them?), guys doing roofing full-time but still on disability, etc. They just drink all fucking day and go to the food bank, the free meals, etc., anything so they can have more money for their addiction.
Meanwhile, I have medical issues that get ignored and I can't get the help I need. Do I need to put on a huge act at the doctor? Some song and dance? For fucks sake. I don't even want narcotics, I just want help managing my pain. Yet these guys get oxys and shit and don't even take them.
>>55867840
You're an idiot. The other guy was talking about how pedos should keep their felony charges, as in, they already committed the fucking crime.
>>55868535
>I care more about the victims.
Then you SHOULD care about rehabilitation. Because guess what happens when someone who gets out of prison can't re-integrate back into society?
TWENTY
>>55869620
>Because guess what happens when someone who gets out of prison can't re-integrate back into society?
I get what you're saying.
... that all felonies should carry the death sentence, right? Or am I misreading you? Cuz it feels like we're on the same page
>mfw I interview people for around 10-20 positions per year as management in a construction company
>mfw I never hire anyone with a criminal record
>mfw I never hire anyone who isn't white
>mfw I never hire women
>mfw the reason I handle all the interviews is because all of the people I chose are successful in the company
>mfw currently looking at a trash can full of kebab resumes
>>55860977
While I think that he's basically pulling a "dindu nuffin he's a good boy now" shtick there really is an endemic problem with the prison and criminal system that 10% of our population is behind bars its been made quite clear that rehabilitation is a superior way of dealing with crime in the long term I think if we change the adjustment period would basically be hell since we've basically trained criminals to be better criminals and have a culture that glorifies criminals
>>55868854
You should be happy to hire convicted pedophiles as Boyscout managers.
>>55868814
Criminals never change because they are never allowed to change.
You're part of the problem. The tough on crime 80s is over. It's time to forgive mistakes and try to let people live their lives normally again. The people who do really serious shit will always be in prison for life so why are you worried? If a person didn't really change it will quickly be reflected in their work so just fire them. It seems stupid to not at least give someone the chance.
I really want to punch that guy
>>55861112
yeah i don't get this, people who need a job, probably have bad credit ratings..
in not exactly asking for an advance on the salary
>>55861331
Sure is straw man in here
>>55862975
Are you fucking retarded they can't afford to feed themselves and can't get a job crime is the only thing they can do it doesn't teach them shit
>>55870082
Nobody's stopping you from hiring felons.
But an employer has the right to take past actions into consideration when considering hiring someone.
>>55869841
>mfw my boss (who is female) starts hiring mostly men because she can't handle all the drama women bring to work
>>55870295
Except that's all well and fine on paper - but in reality it doesn't work because 99.9% of the time they DON'T hire felons.
Is it their right? Sure.
Does it increase chances of the criminals re-offending? Absolutely.
>>55860977
It isn't illegal to lie on your job application.
>>55861284
>I will read the news with great joy that day. Looks like I'll have to wait 40-50 years, though, assuming he dies of old age.
There is a strong possibility he could die from getting buttfucked by a horse. He seems like he'd be into that. ITS 2015 GUYS LIKE BESTIALITY BBHC IN MY ANUS HELLO
>>55868382
Nope, he's a Piers Morgan tier British comedy reject that hopped the pond because our liberals are batshit insane.
>>55861564
Every application that I know of leaves room to elaborate on the nature of any felony you have.
If its rape or premeditated murder than you deserve to be scrutinized. If your felony is more of an honest mistake such as perhaps manslaughter when someone walked infront of your car at night then things are different.
They don't ask if you did a misdemeanor. They ask for FELONIES. The difference is scale. People may change, but the rate of criminals reoffending can be high for certain crimes, and it demonstrates (in some cases) their predisposition to certain actions.
>>55861897
Re-define marriage laws so across the board 50/50 dual custody and remove any monetary incentive/asset split potential for damages - take Divorce out of the courts.
Remove any potential to profit from divorce, make divorces harder to get approved, extremely limit the government on marriage.
Hell you could even provide an across the board incentive to have kids.
Problem solved.
>>55860977
To some extent, I have to agree. I know a guy who got a felony charge because his retarded friend took him to some degenerates house and he handed some shit to some dumbass kid while he was waiting on his friend. I'm confident he could have won if he took it to a jury but he was scared and his lawyer was shit.
I feel bad for him because even still, all things being equal, I definitely wouldn't hire a felon over a non-felon. Though I think he'd agree with me on that.
>>55867852
especially among watermelon-fuckers
A post on normiebook from years ago can be used against you
but not your criminal history
>>55860977
>post pic of faggot
>he's right...
stopped reading there. i know right there that you are a massive turbofaggot
I MEAN COME ON
>>55861897
Population drops won't cripple a nation, it will just increase the price and value of labor, one of the three production inputs of an economy (the other two being Land and Capital Goods).
Land and Capital Goods (the physical means of production - Machinery, Technology, etc) are relatively fixed priced ainputs (which tend to steadily rise in costs due to inflation and other factors).
Labor (the economic production input households provide) is a cost they believe they can control/mitigate.
Basically they wish to walk you backwards into pseudo-neo-communism, where you are easily replaceable and practically valueless despite a massive time/money investment in education and training
They literally want to lower your economic value, and they are doing it with H1B's at least here in the U.S.
Macroeconomics is fun yet incredibly depressing at the same time!
>>55869180
Modern pain management for the average person begins and ends with opioids. Since you are in the Great White North, try some WEED LMAO and see how that works out for you.
>>55865716
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVgpR88zKLU
>>55860977
We need some way to pick out the blacks, since they can just write "prefer not to answer" under race
>>55871293
It's 2015
>>55860977
OP is a felon
>>55860977
>be told this is your punishment for committing a crime
>commit crime anyways
>OH NO I HAVE TO LIVE WITH THE CONSEQUENCES
Why don't felons deserve it?
There's only a limited number of jobs. Why should felons get them when someone who obeys the law is just as in need?
Why shouldn't employers have a right to know about whether they're employing criminals?
>>55861789
>Prove that this isn't the same damned thing as committing a felony.
Because one is illegal, the laws of our nation, decided upon by the representatives of our people, approved by the executive branch, declare.
On top of that, masturbating with a watermelon is weird, but what harm would it bring to the company that'd be anything compariable with say, hit and run, drinking and driving, drug dealing/addiction, pedophilia, ect?
>>55861112
>boo hoo get daddy government to ban something totally reasonable so that i don't have to take responsibility for my actions
>that would help whites AND niggers
even if you have white skin you're a nigger at heart
>>55861112
Yeah, this really doesn't make sense.
>>55872224
>Why should felons get them
What if the felon is more suited to the particular skill set of that job?
>>55871413
In a sick twisted way it's the Keynesian short applied to immigration and border policy.
Bubbled healthy economy (nil immigration) -
>Population drops
>Labor value increases
>Population makes more money
>Quality of life improves
>Population can afford more kids
>More kids born next generation
>Value of labor stabilizes
Keynesian short applied to immigration theory
>Native population drops
>Oh noes our profit margins somebody call da congress (hypothetical)
>Overreact
>Overreact
>Overreact
>relax immigration and border control policy, allow naturalization infrastructure to lapse and decay - the "Short"
>Get flooded with immigrants
>Introduce laws to import skilled foreign labor
>Undereducated AND educated labor surplus
>Value of labor plummets
>Inflation steadily rises
>muh record profits
>The short never ends
>The nation collapses
>>55863256
no one die of starvation in this country. you are just a greedy cunt.
>>55871822
That wasn't very 2015 of them, geez.
>>55860977
>Employers need to mind their own damn business!
That's literally what they're doing though.
>>55861112
>>55870133
The only positions that really check credit are generally higher level positions with authority or some security clearance.
Some people get their credit screwed in divorces or whatever. 90% of the time it's their stupid decisions, and most admit that.
A government security clearance checks credit for a reason, people who 'gamble' in life are more likely exploit others for personal gain.
>>55861982
everyone took the bait
You guys are still here? Jesus it was a troll post go to sleep
>>55872267
>What if the felon is more suited to the particular skill set of that job?
When an employer employs someone, they don't know who's more suited. They are taking a gamble how well the person will help the company. Felons have a higher likelihood of committing crime int he future. You have to account for the risk that they're going to cause trouble for your establishment.
If i can choose a slightly less skilled worker who is more stable, that should be a valid option as an employer.
>>55861708
WALL
What will he do when it's 2016?
>>55861564
Vete a la chingada, hijo de puta
>>55870082
>Criminals never change because they are never allowed to change.
Liberal delusion.
>I'm sure if we just let Muslims into our country and be nice to them they will embrace our culture and love us.
You're a moron.
>>55872725
You know have a felony and you are unemployed
What do you do?
>>55872475
*zing*
>>55860977
Have 2015 man and other liberals even considered that this may actually hurt their precious pet blacks who actually are law abiding citizens?
>be employer
>open position
>white guy and black guy lined up for interviews
>both absolutely equally qualified
>BUT
>white guy is from suburbs
>black guy is from nigville
>can't ask about criminal history so always paranoid because I have valuable assets to protect
>my company is on the line
>make a safe bet on the white guy 10/10 times
Maybe we should actually support this
>>55872629
>Felons have a higher likelihood of committing crime int he future
This is an assumption that most of the time isn't relevant because someone who was convicted of selling weed isn't more likely to rob your store than someone with several misdemeanor shop lifting and petty theft violations or even harassment and stalking that could be much worse for work place moral than a clean supply of the good stuff.
>>55872759
I would make my entire life devoted to not getting a felony, it's actually pretty easy to avoid if you aren't a crackhead or violent.
>>55872759
realistically it doesn't matter if they ban the checkbox anyway, many employers run background checks.
A felon has 3 options: Go back to crime, work a job that has tips and supplement income with the dole - like server, shit that has lax background checks, or get well educated enough that it won't matter - pushing for post bachelors education
>>55873091
Realistically you commit a Felony/Class A misdemeanor every other day unwittingly
>have two DUI convictions on my record
>have a job now as a pizza delivery driver
at least im not a felon
>>55873073
That's a cute observation that ironically advocates mandating entire criminal records being disclosed.
The thing about a "felony" is that it's not just any crime. It's the kind of crime that your ass would be killed over in a less gentle world.
>Murder
>Arson
>Rape
>Kidnapping
>Fraud and Grand theft
You can turn over a new leaf, sure, but acting like someone is obligated to trust your in "change of heart" is fucking stupid and self-centered. What you're calling "social double jeopardy" is actually "people not doing something they don't want to do."
>>55860977
>did you fuck up?
>Your actions now have repercussions
Fuck of OP
Idiots didn't think about their futures
Now they have to suffer
Current Year man can fuck off back to Bongland
>>55873266
Yeah, but felon has also included a lot of shit that isn't just of that level.
>Like stealing a certain amount of money.
>Or, like, pushing your wife away and your hand is on her neck, which YES, is a felony.
>>55862245
>YFW you realize Caesar's Legion are the ISIS of the Fallout world.
>>55873214
Yeah, I didn't say we don't have a too far reaching system, but to get convicted means you were probably a fuck up.
The truth is most people get their felonies reduced and people fail to even show up for court, fuck them.
>>55873251
Application do ask if you have ever been convicted of a crime where they are not legally required to only ask about felonies, but even then, a large number of crimes will never be relevant to your particular business and most companies assume the potential for loss and theft and use multiple systems of checks and balances to account for fraud and embezzlement or determine workplace morale.
>>55873330
>Fuck of
Discarded, just like the resume of a former felon
>>55861789
>ITS [CURRENT YEAR]
>>55873266
Buttsex with a female is a de facto felony in a bunch of locations
Jaywalking is a Class A misdemeanor in many locations
Carrying a legally owned firearm is a felony in a bunch of locations
Driving on the wrong side of the road or an illegal pass, or driving on someone else's property is a felony in many locations
Getting into fisticuffs with an off duty police officer, regardless of whether or not he declares, is a felony
There is actually a ton of inane slap on the wrist bullshit that the books allow for a felony charge
