This could have stopped the attacks in France.
Guns don't stop shit
Lack of guns doesn't stop shit
Can you burgers fuck off with your retarded gun arguments already
>>55859466
No it couldn't have.
>>55859466
I own one except without the shitty safety. Not terribly accurate, but good in a pinch.
>>55859600
Kike detected
Only if Frenchmen were standing at the border shooting shitskins who tried to enter their country
Otherwise, no.
>>55859600
Someone is triggered.
>>55859600
Been in 2 situations in which I had to draw my firearm. One was to defend my life, the other was to prevent a young lady from ostensibly getting beaten to death.
You're an imbicile if you think firearms don't make a difference
>>55859466
>Terrorists had ak47s
>muh 9mm is gonna s-stop them!
>>55859697
I see what you did there...
>>55859466
where do you plug it in this doesnt seem very user friendly i bet my mac would be more useful for self defense
>>55859865
you're right
it is better to be unarmed than armed with a 9mm
the paris attacks show the faliure of the surveillance state and the faliure of gun control logic.
What good is all this spying and meta data collection if it can't stop a few sand niggers from pulling shit like this?
What good is gun control? It didn't stop these guys from procuring machine guns. It only stops honest, law abiding citizens from obtaining a means to defend themselves.
Try to imagine how far these terrorist scum would have gotten in a place like texas.
>>55859865
>What is shot placement
http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/05/us/texas-police-shooting-hero/
Fuck off my board and kill yourself you fucking swine
>>55859957
If you're not going to be a hero and take them on, then yeah being armed is better in the same way carrying a pocket Swiss knife would be better.
If they had vests, it would stop the 9mm. Meanwhile the 7.62×39mm from their Aks would pierce anything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLxI1WU9vMY
>>55859466
I'm not really in a position to argue against this because, in all honesty, if I had been in that theatre, I would've wanted to be armed.
Sure, I might have had my head blown off in the first two seconds, but on the other hand I would've had a chance, however small. On a personal level carrying guns is a good idea.
>>55859865
>aks make people invincible
>m-muh vests
what is shot placement.
what is element of surprise.
what is taking that ak from the asshole you just shot in the face.
Stay unarmed pleb, get on your knees and beg for your life.
>>55859466
That wouldn't have done shit, only this would have stopped them.
>>55859466
If that's the case, everyone should be allowed to be strapped with a bomb to stop bombers.
This is how fucking retarded you gun huggers are.
>>55860491
lol saved
>>55860502
Go Back2>>>/k/
>>55859600
You should go look up the Mohammad drawing contest in Texas. 2 islamic terrorists got killed as soon as they got into the parking lot.
>>55860650
That is the stupidest shit I've ever heard.
>self defense =/= suicide kill
More people were killed by guns in the United States last week than in France.
>>55860747
Already posted it
>>55860150
>>55860812
Doesn't the united states have a lot more people living in it than France?
>>55860502
>.45 shill
>pic not a 1911
Kill yourself.
>>55859466
frenchies dont know how to shoot
>>55860650
>hurr we should all carry nukes
>I don't have an argument so let me make a silly statement about explosives and attempt to relate it to your argument.
Explosions cannot be directed at a single person like a bullet can, they are indiscriminate weapons that kill or maim everything within the range of their shrapnel, a firearm can be precisely directed at a threat.
>>55860812
>>55860937
lol, not to mention you're comparing an unspecified amount of time (weeks, months, years?) to a single day in France.
>>55861380
More people were killed in Paris the other night than in the past 10 years of mass shootings.
>>55859466
>America's religion is a gun
>>55861807
Fuck yeah it is. Tell me this isn't an awesome God
>>55861807
You feel free go ahead and beg for your life from some sandnigger who wants to kill your infidel ass or some basketball American who wants your car. I'll shoot them instead.
>>55859466
it could also have stopped all those american
school shootings
postal shootings
mall shootings
workplace shootings
restaurant shootings
but it didn't except for a handful of times, like the Carolyn Gudger case and a few others.
Or maybe I'm missing your point - do you mean guns are magic when they're in France?
If not, you still need a human to operate them, and that's the problem:
people in REAL situations don't act like actors in movies.
>>55860502
>>55861807
Damn straight.
>>55859466
Dubs for truth.
>>55862078
More people need to carry.
Is this the newest dank meme to shit post about since trump opened his mouth?
>>55862078
The majority of people don't carry and mass shootings all happen in gun free zones.
>>55860502
>confirmed for stoppin powah
>>55862078
Rage shooting happen as a matter of definition in gun free zones.
There have been burglars and rage shooters who attacked a place where his victims carried. The shooting was averted and there wasn't any one hundred and fifty helpless rape toy victims.
>>55861807
I've lived there, and I'd say it is football.
>>55862269
Did you ever consider that it's a meme to complain about new memes?
>>55859466
>mfw insensitive liberal retards are parodying this by saying that if everyone in the world trade center had guns 9/11 wouldn't have happened
>but they neglect the fact that if people on those planes had guns 9/11 FOR A FACT wouldn't have happened.
>>55859600
>Guns don't stop shit
>Lack of guns doesn't stop shit
>>55859613
>No it couldn't have
>>55859865
Incorrect.
>Terrorists had ak47s
>muh 9mm is gonna s-stop them!
An ak-47 doesn't make you impervious to 9mm.
>>55860650
Please stay off the internet, autist
>>55860812
>More people were killed by guns in the United States last week than in France
Nope. Majority of gun deaths are suicides. Suicide is not someone shooting someone else. You want to take the rights away from people who don't want to live anymore? Asshole.
>>55861555
>More people were killed in Paris the other night than in the past 10 years of mass shootings
This, and trips for truth.
>>55861807
>America's religion is a gun
You will never see what happened in Paris happen in the U.S. unless the killers find a "gun free" zone.
>>55862078
There are hundreds of examples of private citizens stopping criminals in the act of killing. School shootings, mall shootings, and workplace shootings are almost always gun free zones. Your argument is fucking bullshit.
>>55859865
ak47s make you immune to bullets I guess
>>55862877
Having a 9mm makes you immune to multiple AK47s I guess
>all these slack jawed limp wristed anti-gun faggots denying what happens historically
Educate yourselves on how reality works:
>http://www.wnd.com/2015/06/hero-of-1993-church-attack-calls-for-being-armed/
>Van Wyk was in the congregation in Cape Town, South Africa, in 1993 when terrorists burst into St. James Church loaded up with shrapnel-coated grenades and automatic weapons and attacked.
>Eleven people were killed almost immediately in the congregation of about 1,000. But Van Wyk, sitting only a few rows from the back, pulled out his snub-nose .38 revolver and fired two shots at the attackers.
>One of the terrorists, who later admitted their intention was to kill as many as they could, was hit, but Van Wyk didn’t realize that until later, because he quickly withdrew from the building and circled around back, trying to get behind the terrorists.
>But they already were in a vehicle fleeing.
Yeah, guns don't stop terrorists all right. By the way your typical .38SP load is weaker than 9mm.
>>55859818
You're a retard if you think a handgun could make a difference against a bunch of assault rifles.
>>55863090
No but it gives you a chance to kill them instead of standing there tweeting your last words as you watch muslims blow peoples heads off one by one.
Maybe you don't get them all but you give other people a chance to escape. maybe you don't get anybody and they gun you down like they would have anyway, but at least you died on your feet instead of groveling at those monsters feet begging for your life.
9 > Iphone
>>55862770
>An ak-47 doesn't make you impervious to 9mm.
Yeah, 9mm is just shit by itself.
>>55863129
Those terrorists fleed.
These guys were ready to shoot cunts until they died, which they did.
>>55863419
Better than throwing cans of food.
>>55863271
You're a retard to think that it couldn't.
>>55863271
>i'd rather have no chance of fighting back than some because handguns are at a disadvantage to assault rifles
>>55860256
Vests don't stop head, arm or leg shots
>>55863586
>>55863601
Guns is just not something we frenchmen do. It's so not something we do I'd probably never feel safe again if a "guns for everyone" law was to be passed tomorrow.
>>55863271
Tell me how holding an ak47 makes you impervious to bullets.
No wonder so many died, if chickenshit attitudes like this are common.
Scary guys with guns, muslims over running our country.
Should we fight?
Naw
Should we protect ourselves?
Sounds hard, better just give up.
>>55863809
fair enough.
>>55863809
Guns aren't very hard to do.
Even in the US we're better at accidentally killing each other with cars by like a 10:1 ratio
>>55863453
Those terrorists were ready to kill as many people as possible until sudden unexpected return fire screwed up their plan and made them panic. You do realize that the most common occurance when a mass shooter gets return fire is for them to eat their own gun or surrender, don't you? Odds are we'd have seen these guys detonate their vests immediately so as not to lose the ability, and a lot fewer people would have died as a result. At the least, it would have made their ability to shoot much more difficult as they would no longer have been able to take calm, unrushed shots, which would have also ended with fewer people dead as the result.
>>55859466
A lot of western Europeans would rather apologize and try to open up a dialogue with the terrorists than shoot or harm them.
>S-shot placement faggots!
The North Hollywood shootout.
Look it up.
It's literally that easy for Terrorists to overpower Law enforcement even.
Unless you wanna get mowed down you keep your damn head in cover at all times and only take the smallest time possible to aim your shots out of cover.
Imagine if there were 6 people robbing that bank that day with equivalent armament instead of 2.
Think of the Cops perspective that day. They had no idea these two guys wore bodysuits and the Deputies who took their time to aim shots got mowed and almost bled out.
It was absolutely possible for the terrorists that day to be armed to the teeth as well as these two shitheads were.
Go ahead and be suicidal you retards.
>>55859466
>>55859628
>>55859697
>>55859818
>>55862770
>GUNS WILL STOP ALL GUN RELATED VIOLENCE!
The security team in charge of the venue failed, not French gun laws.
>>55863809
Uh huh. That's why /k/ has had a whole rush of posters asking for the best way to carry a concealed pistol for self defense this weekend, and what the exact laws are for doing so.
A number of Frogs are quite willing to break the law to make sure they aren't in a picture like this one. Maybe you're just a beta.
>>one guy with a 9mm vs several guys with AK-47s
yea right....
>>55863090
bam! just one accurate shot across a dark and loud and crowded theatre while everyone is scrambling and you've had a few beers, and the crisis is over. Just like that.
>>55864016
>The North Hollywood shootout.
Oh, you mean that shootout where twenty poorly-trained officers with 38spcl revolvers went up against a couple of guys who only survived out of sheer dumb luck?
The shootout that prompted the development of better handgun cartridges and the up-armoring of police across the country?
THAT North Hollywood Shootout?
>>55864064
>The security team in charge of the venue failed, not French gun laws
Yes, I am sure the security teams could have prevented this with some strongly worded chastisement. Try to follow along here. The terrorists were armed with AK-47s. The security guards had their fists. We see how that worked out.
>"You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they can and should do for themselves."
>>55864016
>moving the goalposts this hard
So now the terrorists were covered head to toe in body armor?
>what is AP ammo
>Go ahead and be suicidal you retards.
>being lined up and shot in the head one by one
>just let them kill you, you can't fight back in any instance ever.
>>55864145
They wore type IIIA vests. No common handgun caliber is getting through that.
>>55864099
>having nothing and offering no resistance is preferable to being armed and fighting for your and others lives.
You people are going to bring about the downfall of western civilization.
>>55859466
Just outlaw all guns for everyone and give anyone I possession of them life in prison.
>but more people die from X !!!!!!
Guns are designed to kill, whatever you were gonna throw in for X probably wasn't. I never get a good rebuttal from gun fags on that point.
THEY WERE DESIGNED TO KILL
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>>55864330
Except the caliber that probably would've been easiest to smuggle into France...
>>55859600
Just admit you're jealous you can't own guns.
>>55864095
And what was /k/'s advice for Frogs?
Tell me how it stopped 9/11 please
Thanks
>>55859600
Gun fags: Did the French police use pool cues? Hurr durr
>>55864439
Shit even if I had a rifle, I know I would most likely just end up dead or getting more people killed going against multiple armed people, better just to get out of there
>>55864484
They were designed to kill and save hundreds of thousands of lives a year.
Justify private automobile ownership
legal alcohol
private pools
mcdonalds being legal
>>55863271
According to the FBI statistics lab, the average firefight consists of 5 rounds toatl between two assailants in a five foot radius.
So yeah. My Springfield XD .40 (service weapon) in my well trained hands would make a difference
But if you don't think that'd be enough, feel free to pick from the following
>>55864286
AP ammo is ILLEGAL (in most cases).
The Terrorists have clear power, they could have put more effort into their arsenal if they wanted to. You never know what you're up against until you're facing it.
Don't try to be a hero, that's what Counter-Terrorism units are for.
>>55864596
>getting more people killed
>terrorist is there to kill everyone present
>attempting to stop them will get more people killed
I can't even.
>you will never be as keked as Europa
poor Russia and Poland have to put up with your shit
>>55864330
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nr6h44Pu4sM
Not true.
>>55864099
OP wasnt implying a single gun, he was implying an armed population, as it should
there wouldnt be anything like that if people were conceal carrying
>>55864688
What would it hurt if either way, everyone there is going to die?
>>55863271
At 100 yds? No.
At 10 yds? Absolutely they can my froggy friend.
Real life is not Call of Duty, and bullets are actually really dangerous.
>>55863912
The police did return fire, there's that video of the guy with the shotgun returning fire, it literally did fucking nothing to stop them. The terrorists just fucking shot at them.
These guys were trained seasoned fighters.
>>55864286
>AP ammo
In a hand gun?
.357 sig is still on the low side in terms of AP.
Glock, fun switch, 30rnd mag. Problem solved.
>>55864201
The possession of guns doesn't stop gun violence. As an ameritard, I'd think you'd have understood that by now. Save your retarded damage control for the next shooting.
>>55860502
REAR
COCKING
WINGS
>>55864816
So you maybe hit one of them while the others fill you and everyone standing behind you with lead, nice job
>>55864688
>AP ammo is ILLEGAL (in most cases).
Just handgun AP is illegal for domestic manufacturers atm, I'm sure if we had a slew of terroristic attacks with men covered head to toe in body armor that could be amended.
>that's what Counter-Terrorism units are for.
Yes, just sit down and put your lives in other peoples hands, hopefully they will show up before they get to shooting you and then you will not die in the crossfire or be summarily executed upon their arrival.
>>55864867
>In a hand gun?
Yea, it exists but is restricted due to cops crying about it.
>>55862078
>gun free zones are safe because there can't be any guns there
>>55863718
and Americans are that good at shooting
crowded theatre with thousands in a panic while coured lights flash on and off?
no problem, give that 9mm to an American and he'll shoot the trigger finger of Abdul and Ahmed, then stroll over Eastwood-stye and strip them of their explosive belts whilst somehow nulifying the dead-man switch, and then he'll say some pithy catchphrase like, "The show must go on, boys," before marching them out to dumbfounded authorities.
roll credits
I'm actually surprised the terrorists did not use an incendiary device. Fires in night-clubs have a reputation of causing mass casualties. Maybe there was a sprinkler system...
>>55864990
Or you could opt to be a mincing, pants-wetting coward.
Your call
>>55864990
>terrorists kill the people they were already in the middle of executing
How is the outcome any different besides now there is a chance of muslims getting dropped and maybe giving some people a chance to escape?
All this fucking victim mentality in this thread is disgusting.
YOU DELUSIONAL FUCKS
WHEN DID 0% OF FIGHTING BACK SEEM MORE APPEALING THAN 1%?????
REALLY NOW
REALLY
WHY IS A 0% CHANCE OF SHOOTING BACK
BETTER THAN A 1% CHANCE
and guess what retards, it's higher than 1%.
At least in America, the average CCW'er is a better marksman than the average cop
And no, shooting a moving target in the head is not particularly hard
>>55864580
Our advice is to fucking buy a gun (any) and if it's a handgun you CC that motherfucker
>>55864580
idk I haven't really been on /k/ since /his/ broke.
probably along the lines of EDC Obrez.
>>55859466
So an untrained dude with a pistol vs. a trained jihadi with body armour and an AK seems like it'd work
>>55863809
>Guns is just not something we frenchmen do
We know what you do.
>>55865215
>trained jihadi
Holy shit, Maorinig.
>>55865215
YOU SEE PEOPLE, THIS IS THE KIND OF DELUSIONAL FUCK IM REFERRING TO
FUCK YOU
>>55865054
Somebody has to.
"Do something or die"
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/americans-who-thwarted-paris-train-attack-gunman-willing-fight-end-n414481
The french obviously won't defend themselves and the canadians seem to share the sentiment
>>55864668
That suppressor on the p90 looks retarded.
What the hell is that pistol with the really long barrel and weird trigger guard?
>>55865215
>untrained dude
They were wearing suicide vests if I'm not mistaken, not armor.
>>55863809
DO YOU EVEN REMEMBER WHY YOU HAD TO STORM THE BASTILLE?
Next week in /pol/
VOLCANO ERUPTING
GLOBAL AIR TRAVEL GRINDS TO A HALT
Hurr Americunts how could a gun have prevented this
~a somehow still alive Frenchman
>>55865215
>untrained dude with pistol
Nice assumption
>trained jihadi
these people hide behind concealment and wave their guns in the air screaming for allah to guide their bullets.
>body armour
assumptions, body armor does not make you invincible.
>>55865431
Probably a faux suppressor to bring the barrel to legal length.
The pistol is a Beretta NEOS .22lr if I remember right
>>55865501
Not to mention they exclusively strike soft targets and unarmed civilians.
>>55865173
Easier said than done though. I guess I could get some sort of hunting rifle if I pass some sort of hunting license test.
But even then I imagine I would have to keep it in some sort of hunting rifle box at all time. What's the point is someone come at me with an assault rifle loaded and ready to fire?
>>55865293
That's not getting old any time soon.
>>55865431
Keltek su16-c
>>55865431
It's a kel tec .223 rifle. You are seeing it's folded stock.
>>55864585
Tell me how the one plane where the passengers resisted landed in a field instead of a crowded building.
Tell me how a plane full of people enabled to resist wouldn't have made it to new york to crash into the towers.
Tell me how the causalities of all those planes going down in less populated areas wouldn't have been lower than what happened.
Tell me how a train is attacked in France and 3 Americans and an American born Frenchman are the ones that resist.
Tell me when your politically correct, bow to minorities, not taking the responsibility to defend yourself, plz take our guns so we don't offend brown people ways have ever saved a life, Canuk.
>>55865614
Do the police live in your house?
Leave it out when you're at home with some cleaning supplies nearby
>>55865020
Uhh.
Fight or Flight.
Let's see here. Let's say... .45 ACP Standard HP Concealed carry. No Body Armor.
One quick look at this guy. AK-47, Multiple magazines. He can pivot his head and arms around to me in a flash and shoot me dead, and a chance my shots might do fuck all to him. A chance, but still there.
Should I engage him?
FUCK NO I'M GETTING THE FUCK OUTTA THERE.
Our "Flight" instinct has it's uses. If i'm not fighting them, i'm running.
>>55865431
Not a suppresor, just a can to bring it to legal length. Was sold that way, and my soon to be had SBR will eliminate that.
Left side? The Beretta Neo U-22. It can be converted into a carbine with an add on kit
>>55865683
>>55865629
Nah, this guy knows what I was talking about. The rifle is strange though.
>>55865520
>>55864668
Do you bring your Springfield out to the club to go dancing?
>>All the untrained fucks that get there hands on a glock 19 and think they are John Rambo
You would only get more people killed
>>55865614
The surrender meme is a little on the nose but fuck if you guys arnt begging for it with this fatalistic, defeatist shit
Also all these fucks in this thread crying about 9mm, this is a perfect application for breakdowns and SBRs
>hurr 9mm now they have body armor
Body armor can suck my rifle AP
>>55865743
>argue about how the AK is superior and you can't fight is
>thinks you can just run out of the room
Turning your back on people that can easily shoot things out to 300m is a great idea.
>>55865215
Man you guys are so pathetic why don't you just roll over and die already you waste of fucking air
>>55863809
>Guns is just not something we frenchmen do
M8 I just read the lyrics to your national anthem the other day and it is badass as fuck, talking about killing the impure and shit, what the hell happened?
>>55865851
>get more people killed
This is not a fucking bank robbery where the hostage taker just wants money and an out, these people are executing everyone in the building, starting a fight with them does not suddenly make them want to kill more people they already intended to.
>>55859466
>could
Yep, the only way to see if it works is by happening, 10 terrorists in the high rate gun per person state and count time of reaction and kia. Preference in a church, movie teather, concert and everywhere it feels safe.
>>55865804
If I'm not planning on drinking, yes. I actually typically carry my S&W 360 PD out at night. Lower profile.
>>55865851
Why do people keep posting this.
They were killing everyone in sight. How would an armed defender get more people killed.
>>55865614
>That's not getting old any time soon.
It's very old. deep within your history.
and I mean that for you, and you alone.
I've spoken with some French guys who had balls of steel, great folks to talk to.
But you're a pussy.
>>55863809
And you feel safe RIGHT NOW? After people were just indiscriminately slaughtered in GUN FREE ZONE? This is why Europe is in the position its in right now, you people have been trained by your public education system to ignore reality at all costs, even your own life.
>>55859466
>>55859600
Need auto turrents in places
Anyone holding a gun get's hosed
>>55866063
You'll have to excuse them. They feel the Bern.
>>55865909
I'm not the only one around that this fuck would be shooting at. It's likely the other fucks that are running away have him distracted.
Firing on him will only draw his attention to me and he'll eliminate one of the gooks that could've posed a threat to him.
Trusting your skill in shot placement and panic management is the GIGN's job.
>>55865734
Who cleans a loaded rifle?
Home safety wasn't really an issue in the latest attacks. And I'd have a hard time hiding a hunting rifle at a bar.
>>55865882
You guys already have your right to pack some. All you have to do is defend it, and the NRA is doing most of the job. There's literally no chance of us getting this here. Like fucking none.
>>55866008
I don't even know. I'm not even sure people saw it coming. We have a history of fights and resistance and shit, yet here we are, waiting for the cops to show up 2 hours after everybody is dead.
>>55865326
>>55865321
>>55865475
>>55865501
>Untrained dude with pistol
It is an assumption, but it is far more plausible than him being trained proficiently with the pistol. As for this, the stress of he/ she being shot at would have added to this making them even worse shots. The jihadis were described as being extremely calm.
>Trained jihadi
These terrorists were analysed by numerous counter terrorist experts stating that there was clear evidence of training for this moment. Adding to this, it is clear their attacks were planned out immensely.
>Body Armour
The suicide vests still provide some degree of protection, don't be absorbed into the idea of when the explosive is hit it explodes. A 9mm's effectivness would have been reduced even by this rudimentary device. As for this, considering that they had these suicide vests, if they were hit by a 9mm pistol, the chances of them being killed instantly are incredibly slim. When the police raided the theatre 2 of the perps blew themselves up. If some viewer was armed, provided they didn't shoot him first, and shot one of the terrorists he would have simply set off his vest causing the same outcome.
Even the suicide bombers?
Jerry Miculek could have stopped it with a Derringer
>>55865743
>45 ACP Standard
>a chance my shots might do fuck all to him
Are you fucking high?
>>55865321
Have you been shooting in a civil war for the past two years, or popping cans at the range?
>>55860491
god damn these trendy hipster fucks
>>55866214
Nice hypothetical situation senpai
Now what if you can't run
Then what
:^)
Only a John Mcclane type American who happened to be vacationing in Paris would have been able to stop this.
>>55865020
As for AP in handguns I understand why cops would cry. Roll up to disturbance in full kit an a camper blows a hole through ya. Just make 40 auto in large cap mags. Even through armour they would knock the shit out of you.
>>55859466
you cant predict good ol fashioned psycho. it was nice back in the day when these freaks would get publicly executed, now they just commit suicide before we can even put them on trial.
>being afraid of cowards
>>55866368
Have you seen the "training" videos that their propaganda arm releases to the public? They spray and pray into sand berms. Hardly top-notch marksmen...
Anyone who seriously believes concealed handguns guns can't stop terrorism should be going to this thread and getting redpilled, it's all there with links and citations:
>>55865118
>>55866384
Then I fight. If I'm packing anything concealed carry (Which I would in fact do if I lived in the US), I engage them. If I'm unarmed, i'll let instincts take over. The Goal is survival.
>>55865995
I never said I was against less strict gun laws, just saying that a 9mm wouldn't have done much
As someone else pointed out, it would of increased the chance of survival but not to the extent that it would definitely change the outcome.
>>55866331
Holy shit you aren't trolling are you
This is pathetic
"Hurrrr we shouldn't bother defending ourselves because they planned it out beforehand and it would take more than a .22 to the foot to take them down"
Like HOLY FUCK DUDE CAN YOU BE MORE RETARDED
>>55866331
>The jihadis were described as being extremely calm.
Because they walked into a room full of this type>>55866214
They knew no resistance would be offered
>These terrorists were analysed by numerous counter terrorist experts stating that there was clear evidence of training for this moment. Adding to this, it is clear their attacks were planned out immensely.
And no matter how much planning they did it does not turn these goatfuckers into proper gunfighters, have you seen the soup sandwiches the US churns out after spending billions on their training?
>if they were hit by a 9mm pistol, the chances of them being killed instantly are incredibly slim
This is why you keep shooting
>If some viewer was armed, provided they didn't shoot him first, and shot one of the terrorists he would have simply set off his vest causing the same outcome.
And maybe they would not have gathered everyone up and shot them one by one.
I like seeing all the jelly yuropoors in this thread
>>55866407
Yippee-ki-yay, motherfucker.
>>55865118
>>55865118
>>55865118
>>55865118
>>55865118
Open your eyes Eurokeks
>>55866105
Whatever you say big guy.
It's easy to be brave in times of peace.
>>55866521
Correct answer!
Yes, survival comes first.
Saving friends and family comes second
Saving random other humans comes third.
I'm seeing the very prevalant liberal idea that a good, honest man is faulty and weak, but a bad person is like an immovable, immortal monster.
That's not true. Radical muslims enjoy being shot at about as much as everyone else. They were calm during the attack because they knew there was no chance of being retaliated against.
>>55864990
Yes you're right, why don't you fight them by begging instead? How can you even consider yourself American if you wouldn't fight to the death IF YOU HAD ONE HUNDRED PERCENT CHANCE of being executed because they were obviously Muslim fanatics.
>>55864622
None of those things were designed to kill
>>55865851
This also consider the following if you were carrying in the concert hall: you're in a venue at capacity for a concert, probably had some drinks thinking to enjoy the night and suddenly 3 dudes with AK47s start shooting in the crowd, and its chaos, it'll be harder to hit them too on the spot.
>>55865054
Uh, Americans actually ARE good at shooting. The average legal gun owning American practices with it as much as our police do. Using a firearm effectively takes much less skill and training than you seem to think.
>>55859600
If one in ten of the 1000 in the hall had a gun that would be 100 guns vs 4. Let's say 50% of the gun carriers in this scenario chicken out and just duck and hide. That's 50 guns vs 4, from many different angles. Sounds like the terrorists' plans would at least be contested.
>>55864330
did the vests cover their heads?
>>55866819
Fuck you, my WASR says "SPORTING RIFLE" on the instruction manual.
It's just that I might have to use it in an improper way if the time comes....
>>55866819
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1XXiA9M8Zc
>>55866713
>not copping a feel on those big brown titties while you saw off her head
So much Euro and Syrup denial in this thread of what actually happens in a terrorist attack where people fight back with guns.
Funny thing though is none of them have tried to defend this shit in a thread that thoroughly debunks it all from the start, as this one does >>55865118
>>55866407
so any american in paris?
>>55859466
Hah, probably not. I carry the same gun and while it might stop Jamal and his homie from mugging you, you'd be out-matched against ISIS shits with AKs.
>>55866912
>practices with it as much as our police do
This does not give me hope.
>>55865501
>>trained jihadithese people hide behind concealment and wave their guns in the air screaming for allah to guide their bullets.
With a little training from CIA everything is posible anon.
>>55866944
This. And worst case scenario is that you still end up dead. At least by carrying you give yourself a fighting chance.
>>55859466
desu desu, it also would have led to all your stupid gun culture and violence
>>55866948
No, which is how one of them was finally taken down. It proves shot placement under stress and at range is extremely difficult. Although, the bastard did happen to shoot himself in the head either purposefully or by accident at the exact same time he got headshot by an officer.
My point was you're taking a big risk when you decide to take things into your own hands.
>>55859600
no mitäs tää ny on?
please stop, you are making us to look bad.
>>55864559
actually we can. sure, its not that easy to buy gun as in states, and you cant carry it same way as in states, but we can buy all kinds of revolvers, pistols, rifles and shotguns. full automatic is no no.
>>55866353
underrated post
>>55865743
You're way more likely to get shot while you're running with your back turned. Its a lot easier to shoot at a target if its not shooting at you. Also element of surprise. They really have you Canadians brainwashed against guns up there.
http://strawpoll.me/6019234/
Which one would you rather get head from?
>>55867086
>With a little training from CIA everything is posible anon.
>can't figure out jumping jacks
>>55867238
I'm not anti-gun in any sense.
I just think engaging terrorists with AKs is suicide no matter what load i'm packing with what Firearm.
If they're more lightly armed i'd be a lot more confident in my ability to resolve the situation with my gun.
>>55866604
Say there were less strict gun laws, even then there would only be about one dude with a gun.
Even one armed dude wouldn't pose a threat to these gunman who were going to kill themselves anyway. If he hit one he would just set off his vest. Plus, as soon as this dude starts shooting, he would be cut down. As you said, for him to kill someone with such a small calibre he would have to shoot numerous times yet the muslim scum only have to shoot once accurately to down this vigilante.
Plus, the troops the US train do not have any loyalty or bravery which is a major reason why the US trained Iraqis are often defeated when fighting IS, who are fanatical about their religion. Plus, teaching someone to aim and fire a gun isn't hard.
>>55859865
luckily it's also offered in .40
>>55860080
all that is installed to protect corporations and state.
they are not for the people, they are because of people.
>>55859466
I am the biggest pro gun, pro second amendment, pro this and that, but this is an exact scenario where having a gun wouldn't have made much of a difference or could have exacerbated the situation. I'll explain why. Say 5 people in that 100 had fire arms on them. It was a dim , loud room, panic, and you see some one has a gun, you just start firing away at them and vice versa, the terrorists are tightly packed and kniw not to shoot one another as they came together, a bunch of guns in that situation could have gone either way. It's a wash. But the argument that a handgun has nothing on an AK , is retarded. At those distances, all the AK has is rate of fire. But picking one guy out of the crowd in a dark room, is again a wash and unlikely. This scenario is not one to use for or against gun control. It simply happened.
>>55859466
>This could have stopped the attacks in France.
Why only 7rd mag for?
>>55866063
Shills, anon. Shills. They're all over 4chan, especially /pol/. Take a look at a Hillary thread sometime and you can see it, they're quite obvious.
>>55866743
>Saving random other humans comes third.
This is a mindset born of multi-racialism.
>>55867534
maybe but there have been thousands of incidents in the USA where guns have stopped worse things from happening.
>>55867308
Left but look like have mustache are spics sisters? that would explain.
>>55861807
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-whxgSUWvSA
I'm getting a .50 AE Desert Eagle (yes, that video game meme gun) and conceal carry it illegally. No one can stop me. If I ever have to use it, no matter what legal trouble I will get into, it will be worth it because I'm still alive. If I don't have to use it, the chances to get caught are very small.
>>55867766
Don't post about crimes you plan to commit on the internet you silly goose :^)
>>55867766
There is literally no way to conceal one. Sorry Finbro.
>>55863271
>flag
Well, it can't be helped, lads. Best surrender, maybe they'll take pity on us.
>>55867456
>Even one armed dude wouldn't pose a threat to these gunman who were going to kill themselves anyway.
Assumptions
>If he hit one he would just set off his vest
pop goes the muslim, one less man with an ak shooting at frenchies
>As you said, for him to kill someone with such a small calibre he would have to shoot numerous times
No a 9 could drop someone immediately if you hit the head heart or brainstem, lights out. otherwise you are trying to fill them with as many holes while going for vitals and hopefully you are using hollow points and they are tearing insides apart.
>only have to shoot once accurately to down this vigilante
you can accurately shoot anybody in the vitals once with any caliber and drop them, I would hope these like most MENA fighters are shitty shots.
>Plus, teaching someone to aim and fire a gun isn't hard.
And yet they continue to be horrible at it, give proper training to a frenchie with a 9 and you can somewhat even the odds against poorly trained goatfuckers.
>>55867896
I don't get how these people actually think their chances are better cowering on the floor or trying to run than shooting back. Half of them are likely gun control shills. They attribute such power to bad guys with guns, but complete helplessness and a likelihood of self harm even when the good guys have them.
>>55865215
>trained
>jihadi
>pic related
I think people are forgetting the fact that because the cheese-eating surrendermonkeys are a nation of disarmed eurokeks, the terries go in knowing that no one is going to do shit. If the terries instead knew that a good portion of their intended victims had firearms and the ability and willingness to use them, they'd fuck right off, or they'd go in and get BTFO.
>>55868120
You have to understand not everybody was raised with the idea of a firearm being a tool that you should learn to respect and be proficient with, many are raised to view them as dangerous murder sticks that only the government should have because they are obviously the only ones capable of using such harbringers of destruction.
You can't really blame people for having a different upbringing.
>>55861946
>Ass ugly grips
>dirty cylinder
>not a python or something else iconic
wtf mate
here, have a picture of something pretty
Guns stop bombs ? Who is paranoid enough to always be vigilant for that kind of thing? I would rather go outside and not spend my time worrying about who is gonna kill me next. Made do so far and 28 years in I haven't had any issues. Haven't even been robbed it beaten up. I wonder why that is? Same applies to my family so I doubt its luck
>>55868243
I don't think the Jahooties think that far ahead, the draw muhammad contest had CCWs, armed security and police and the muzzies still rolled up and tried to assault the place.
>>55863090
Kek.
And I hear thought Germans had some common sense.
A 9mm in the hands of even an average civilian shooter could have saved lives.
You think the shitskins that carried out the attacks were elite paramilitary with Level III body armor?
>>55868343
That looks ugly as fuck tbqh, maybe under different light it looks pretty?
>>55865431
>suppressor
It's for shooting the neighborhood babies in their cribs without making a sound.
Jesus, Australians are fucking retarded.
>>55868560
Okay pussy, here's a 9mm for your limp wrist.
>>55868420
No, but at least they're capable of learning from previous mistakes, to some extent. After they get shut down without killing anyone a few times, they'll figure it out.
If we're talking about relatively organized attacks like the one that just happened, though, I don't think it would have been possible in, say, Switzerland. They wouldn't have even tried it, there. Just a guess, I don't really know how things work in Switzerland but the way I've heard it described, you can expect a good portion of the people around you to have a firearm.
>>55868621
What, the gun itself is fine, the pearlescent shit looks ugly like you've washed your gun in a fucking oil slick or something.
Straight up stainless looks sexy for revolvers.
>>55859466
Europe and America are vastly different cultures. In America shootings are the norm so everyone having a firearm is justified. Attacks like this in Europe, and gun crime in general, is not common. Putting a gun in everyone's hands to stop the rare attacks won't work, and its outright cringy to see americlaps claim that it'll work there the same way it does in their country.
>>55866912
Sorry I couldn't find your link to a source on that "fact".
>>55868621
That engraving gives no tactical advantage whatsoever.
>>55868718
It is kind of ugly but I think it's just one of those things that people find attractive because of the technique involved in creating the effect.
>>55866685
I'm used to War.
>>55868834
War has changed
>>55868621
Looks like a gun for pimps.
>>55868768
They're rare now, but when they see how easy it is to slaughter the eurokeks by the hundreds, they won't be so rare. Same thing happening in the states.
>>55859466
>9mm stopping anything
>>55859466
Why would concert-goers carry a gun with them?
>>55868768
You know...we get way too much shit for our CHILDREN going on shooting sprees.
>>55859466
> This could have stopped the attacks in France.
Serious question, are you mentally retarded? Were you raised by videogames instead of people, like Mowgli?
Two points: a) guns are useless against suicide bombs, and b) what people lack is a will to kill, not weapons. There's a psychological block against treating other people like chunks of meat, and for good reason. Even a bare fist is a lethal weapon if you don't care about human life.
>>55869106
see >>55867865
pic related
>>55869106
>taking your gun off because you are listening to music
Why?
Should I leave my phone at home? My keys? how about my shoes? I don't really NEED shoes to listen to music.
>>55869334
>>55869420
Are you implying that average Americans carry a gun with them wherever they go?
>>55869498
>average
No, but millions do.
>>55869498
No, but well over a million do.
>>55867166
>not that easy to buy gun as in states
If you can't buy a gun out of someone's trunk, legally, that's pretty much the same thing as not having them at all.
Guns only work when they're unregistered.
>>55869498
Nah. Even in states which have CC, carry rate is probably <3% for men and approaching zero for women.
>>55869586
Millions implies that at least 1 in 70 adults daily carries.
I wish.
>>55869133
You're right, suicide bombs pose a problem that guns alone can't generally solve. Side note, one of the suicide bombers was killed before he could detonate his explosives. That doesn't mean guns in the hands of civilians couldn't stop the other, more dangerous attacks. Large bombs are much less efficient than guns and easier to trace.
There's a psychological barrier to treating friendlies like chunks of meat. Enemies, not so much. I will gladly eat a fucking towelhead alive should he attempt to lay his dirty hands on my little sister.
>>55864668
>dem armaments
I like that shit. Wish I had money to buy guns instead of saving for land
>>55859865
Yeah I mean dude! It's literally impossible to kill somebody with anything other than a higher level gun than what they've got. That's why they needed the police to come in and resolve the situation, their guns were higher level than the terrorist's AK 47s.
>>55869498
I'm not, but I would prefer that they did. If the muzzies try here what they're doing in Europe, I suspect many Americans will choose to carry. At least, here, we have that option.
>>55869772
m8 florida has 1m+ CCWs alone
>>55859466
you are in a concert hall you hear a gun shot . Now you see 20 people with guns who is the terrorist? you burgers will blow each other away.
>>55870102
It's the sand nigger.
Pic related, even google knows what terrorists look like.
>>55870102
>begin singing free bird
>shoot anybody that does not know the lyrics
>even if we shoot a non terrorist the country is a better place.
>dat street name
>>55870102
The one with the rifle, face covering, and bulky vest
American citizens have a much lower rate of error using firearms to defend themselves than police officers do
>>55867046
You're missing the point, buddy.
You cited shit in South Africa as proof that guns work as defence. Of course they can.
I think what people are thinking is that if you have a country full of guns bad shit will happen with those guns.
And it does, as you can see by reading any American newspaper.
Will banning guns in the USA help? I don't know or care because it isn't going to happen and it shouldn't. They're part of American culture and lifestyle, and you can do what you want.
Same in South Africa....but SA is a hellhole, of course you need guns in church.
But in elite countries like Canada, Japan, France, Germany, Sweden, etc., aren't hellholes and we don't want them to become hellholes, which is what would happen if they suddenly had guns everywhere.
Look at Canada: most of the gun crime here is committed with guns illegally smuggled in from the USA. So should we buy legal guns from the USA to defend ourselves against illegal guns from the USA? Or should we just work harder at keeping out the illegal guns from the USA?
Keep in mind that guns are not part of our culture. We don't take little boys shooting on their birthdays, we don't go to the range after work or on weekend, we don't know how to field strip a 1911, or have a relative who has a limited edition handgun with an important bit of political writing, like the 2nd Amendment, engraved on it.
And we don't have to think about getting shot when we go to the bank machine or corner store, let alone on public transit or at work or school, etc.
You guys do in some places, but that's your culture, and ours is ours.
It's just as misguided for an American to tell Canadians or French or Japanese that they should have guns as it is for us to tell Americans that they shouldn't have guns.
>>55870388
bullshit
cite source or go polish your glock
>>55870396
>which is what would happen if they suddenly had guns everywhere.
No they wouldn't. Fuck, look at switzerland.
>>55870102
Are you retarded? The guy with the AK shooting at the audience is the terrorist.
>>55859466
>>55859466
>safety
no
>>55870320
A whole country built on dad rock?
What would you call it, the United States of Yawn?
>>55870481
http://www.rkba.org/comment/cowards.html
Also glocks have polymer bodies, retard.
>>55870396
Is that illegal content?
>>55870203
>>55870388
Except that to get into the concert hall in the first place without raising the alarm he would probably have to be plain-clothed and look unassuming.
>>55870388
face covering with a suicide attack ? they can wear normal clothing and just be a fat burger terrorist is no race .islam can be anyone
>>55870482
kek
1) Switzerland has always had guns.
2) Ask them how much ammo they have at home, though...
Don't get me wrong, I'm not anti-gun, m8.
>>55870102
>this argument every time
nobody has ever recorded an incident of this actually happening
>>55870593
legit laughed out loud
