is this true, /pol/?
Not sure if created, but heavily supported
Unintentionally created, but the US is very largely responsible for their existence.
>>55841193
i'm beginning to think they're sponsored by toyota
>every damn truck
Da
>>55841193
It's no secret that they supplied the rebels in Syria with military weapons and ammunition. Many of those rebels went to ISIS.
>>55841193
Made in Israel
It's like the US gave some guys some guns in hopes they'd do the right thing. Then those guys went around and sound fuck em they suck anyways.
Then the US said fuck we'll give more guys guns to take care of those guys. Now we're waiting to see what they do with those guns.
>>55841523
I Love What You Do For Me
>>55841193
No.
Of course those people became extremists because USA has been bombing their villages since 25 years ago, but I sincerely believe the role of their local power figures has been more influencial to their radicalization.
Not intentionally, but of course, if you fuck their shit, they'll get angry and become terrorist.
I've just read an article about it, but it was in Spanish. I bet however someone can share a nice one in English, there should be plenty.
>>55841193
Even if it's not a conspiricy, ISIS was created by the power vacume left in the region after removing Saddam and weakening the main radical groups in the area. If we remove ISIS without destroying radical Islamic ideology, then all we're doing is opening up another position of power for some other organization of bad guys to fill.
>>55841607
this is true senpai desu
>>55841690
Your government should really stop trusting Muslims.
>>55842027
The president is mudslime
>>55841690
Does America have some grand plan envisioned way down the line? The CIA does this shit over and over and it never seems to work beyond the very short term.
>>55841193
Not created necessarily. Armed by America? Certainly.
Some go as far as to implicate the CIA in coaching and leadership, but I can't substantiate that one myself.
>>55841193
Not created, it was supported, same as all rebel groups(including Al Qaeda) when the civil war in syria started, now i really doubt they're still supporting them.
However, USA is not responsible for this madness, islam is, you need to picture the situation this way:
You have a violent monkey in some random jungle you want to conquer, you give him a knife, he starts killing more animals and people than before, are you directly responsible for it?, would the monkey be non violent if he didn't have the knife?. Answer is no, violent people are violent for many reasons, but owning a gun is not a reason.
No, it was not created by USA. Destabilization in the mid east is a major contributing factor to the formation of ISIS, and the USA did play a role in that. USA also armed certain groups fighting Assad that later joined ISIS.
But ISIS has its roots in al-Qaeda. It's an extension of former jihadist groups and was most certainly not created by USA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuYwc20zwxQ
>>55841839
> the role of their local power figures has been more influencial to their radicalization.
Sure, but it's US weapons that gave them tangible power and enabled them to carry out their extremist will.
>>55842174
>But ISIS has its roots in al-Qaeda
...Which was also created/enabled by the US.
>>55842291
I understand we're in /pol/ and aspergers runs rampant in here, but that post was clearly ironic.
Of course it was created by the US you dumbass fucking goy.
>>55842291
Again, not created, but enabled sure. A loooooooong time ago when it was a much different organization.
>>55842129
Fight a soft cold war with an abstract enemy until they get tired? Really it's a fucked plan because the government has allies who are trying at their own ways to get what they want.
>>55842027
Yeah, like you're one to talk, Sven.
>>55842547
>until they get tired?
>they
And by "they" surely you meant the American people.
>>55841193
http://levantreport.com/2015/05/19/2012-defense-intelligence-agency-document-west-will-facilitate-rise-of-islamic-state-in-order-to-isolate-the-syrian-regime/
I've got a bunch of Muslim fb friends for reasons, and in the past few days nearly every single one of them posted some kind of article that put the blame for IS on the United States.
Frankly, it's disgusting.
If you don't have spine to own up to the horrible shit people of your religion did, at least don't try it to deflect it on someone else.
>>55842466
Shut the fuck up
>>55842518
>when it was a much different organization.
Well it keeps happening and the US doesn't seem to care. I don't believe that the CIA doesn't is incompetent though and make mistakes like Al-Quade and ISIS. I believe they're calculated risks that ultimately serve US interests, even with unintended "blowback" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowback_(intelligence) ) considered.
>>55842788
No the Islamic threat. Americans will be fine with especially if it creates jobs. There is no end to this on the American side unless an extreme pacifists is elected to President. Even then congress holds most of the power to actually declare war on anyone. So even if a hippie president were to try and stop it Congress can fight about it and carry on ultimately. Most times there is a division between extremes in branches of power. It would take an extremely tight and improbably window of time and circumstance to make the US tired of this. It might have come if this all hadn't of happened but that has been pushed into the future.
No.
People that say the US created ISIS are muslims and Russians who want to blame America.
There is zero evidence to back up the claim the the US created ISIS. It's all maymay bullshit.
>>55841193
Hey /pol/, I heard the sun is hot and water is wet. Is this really true?
>DDDDDUUUUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
EUGENICS NOW!!
>>55843181
There was no Islamic threat while the strong, moderate Islamic leaders were keeping shit tight in their own countries, and making their own geopolitical moves, whether that meant allying with Russia or whomever. Then destabilization and Freedom® happened.
Americans need to stay entertained. Americans need the gubmint to tell them This Enemy Is Real And We're Under Threat!!!, otherwise they'd start questioning the ridiculous amounts of their tax money that is going to the industrial-military complex, to interventionist policy that don't benefit them in any way --- and of course, to our good and vulnerable friends in Israel!
>>55841193
>I want that guy out of this house
>Lets throw some fireworks inside, it will flush the fag out
>Oops the house exploded and the fire is becoming dangerous
Never underestimate the retardation of an American.
>>55843353
Nice try, CIA
>>55843938
Are you serious? Bin Laden was fucking shit before 9/11 and America ignored it. Bush used the 9/11 to jump on everyone and we were angry enough to let them do it. That was what created all of this. We weren't heavily invested in the Muslim region until that and we paid service to the Saudis for oil. It took a lot of shit but in a way we should have flattened the shit of the place regardless the whole time. The extreme Muslim world wants to spiral back to the dark ages and claim their superiority in their faith at this point.
>>55841193
There was a photo of al Bagdadi with McCain, saw it several times on channel 1 russia.
>>55842861
You should read the post above yours - IS is a fringe terrorist group with little support from the majority of Muslims and it's success is largely the result of shitty US foreign policy.
To claim, as you seem to be doing here, that all Muslims should take responsibility for the terrorist acts perpetrated a group of fundamentalist nutjobs is pretty unreasonable imho.
>>55844427
>Bin Laden
The same dude the US government propped up and financed and waxed poetry about in the press throughout that little Afghan proxy war against the Soviets? Is that the Bin Laden America ignored?
>We weren't heavily invested in the Muslim region until that and we paid service to the Saudis for oil.
I guess the first Gulf war and the Taliban affair weren't really that great, innit lad
>The extreme Muslim world wants to spiral back to the dark ages and claim their superiority in their faith at this point.
Now they do. The extremists were kept on a short leash by Saddam, Ghadaffi, Mubarak....the arab "spring" cleared the way for these fuckos
>>55841515
No, very intentionally created
Also
>Very gathered together in a desert in Jordan by the US, UK and France
>Very Trained in the desert by the US, UK and French
>Very armed by the US, UK and France
>Very set loose by them to tear apart the middle east except isreal of course
>Last but not least very much not attacked by the US, UK and France so they could get up and running on their feet and get established
>>55845834
Why would they intentionally create an organization that's completely fucking up all the progress they made in a multi trillion dollar war in Iraq?
>>55845106
>The extremists were kept on a short leash by Saddam, Ghadaffi, Mubarak....the arab "spring" cleared the way for these fuckos
This.
>Create situation that breeds radical islam
>"OH NO, GOY- uh GUYS! LOOK AT THESE DANGEROUS TERRORISTS!! We have to do something to remove them, and all that horrible oil they're sitting on top of!
>Also, support Israel, like all your politicians!
>>55845834
>Very set loose by them to tear apart the middle east except isreal of course
Yeah, isn't it funny how not ONE of these "radical muslim" groups EVER attack Israel? Bizarre.
>>55841193
>by USA
>not by Mossad
Smokescreen for bluepilled faggots
>>55841193
ISIS, sponsored by Kebab Ideology and American Liberalism
Croatia was made by a Turk fucking a Serbian goat
Is this true /pol/?
here is a link dump for anyone curious, the youtube videos at the top are very informative...
also
>inb4 presstv or globalresearch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOGK57xs5Ro&feature=youtu.be
http://benswann.com/islamic-state-commander-claims-funding-coming-from-the-united-states/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqNwUxjdsAA&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LSIwvE0Nvo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5-51-wLVG0&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMjXbuj7BPI&feature=youtu.be
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/journalists/bill-gardner/11054488/Foley-murder-video-may-have-been-staged.html
http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/184292/Busted__James_Foley_Mom_well_known_CIA_crisis_actor/
http://www.globalresearch.ca/iraqi-army-downs-two-british-planes-carrying-weapons-for-isil-terrorists/5433089
http://www.commondreams.org/views/2015/05/05/media-misses-point-proxy-war
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW7Kgo1FO6o&feature=youtu.be
http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/03/intl_world/amanpour-didier-francois/
http://www.mintpressnews.com/west-created-isis/196488/
all part of the plan
http://rt.com/news/263769-iraq-isis-humvees-weapons/
http://www.globalresearch.ca/twenty-six-things-about-the-islamic-state-isil-that-obama-does-not-want-you-to-know-about/5414735
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eo2GYQxopbM
http://theantimedia.org/isis-colonel-trained-by-blackwater-and-us-state-department/
http://levantreport.com/2015/05/19/2012-defense-intelligence-agency-document-west-will-facilitate-rise-of-islamic-state-in-order-to-isolate-the-syrian-regime/
https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/ex-intel-officials-pentagon-report-proves-us-complicity-in-isis-fabef96e20da
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jul/1/andrew-napolitano-hillarys-secret-war/?page=all
http://reason.com/blog/2015/07/02/andrew-napolitano-on-hillary-clintons-se
http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/07/02/judge-nap-hillary-clinton-approved-arms-terrorists-syria-libya
Indirectly, yes.
ISIS is part of the Great Game, gentlemen, the neverending war by the West against Russia.
Check out Zbignew Brevinskis work "The Grand Chessboard".
Americans sadly are about to learn that its important to be careful of the company you keep. Allahu Akbar, infidels.
>>55846910
Welcome to the world of anti-American propaganda, no fact checking required.
Seems the lol america is dum, blame america for everything! meme is still alive and well
>>55841523
What's the dilly with that, yo?
>>55847849
It is easier than actually educating themselves.
>>55841193
>extremist group formed in 1999
>no known connection to the US
>literally no proof to back up the claim that the US is connected to them other than "muh Toyota trucks"
>because of this, people think that the US literally created this group out of nothing
I hate how skepticism has turned into believing any retarded shit you hear once on the internet as long as its somehow against the government
>>55841193
There's conspiracy theorys for everything. Conspiracys are like people that go out camping and make up spooky stories because theyre board and then of course the children believe in it and go run into their tents and hide under their sleeping bags while their parents have sex behind their kid's tent, making noises, scaring the kid into thinking it's the boogyman from the camp fire story. The people who believe in conspiracy theorys are basically the kids
>>55841193
>US creating a terrorist faction
Who woulda thought?
>>55847805
>>55847951
>>55848223
>there are people on /pol/ so dumb they don't remember the USA arming the "Free Syrian Army" for the past few years to take out Assad
Daily reminder that the government now admits that their CIA-trained shills to fight Assad LITERALLY are just "three or four" people. So tens/hundreds of millions of dollars, weapons, training etc went towards 3 or 4 people? Please. It's an unavoidable fact that this whole shitstorm is our government's fault (and not just Obama - this goes back further than him).
Much of ISIS is also composed of the Iraqi army (also trained and armed by America) which immediately defected and joined ISIS when America left the country, which it should have been obvious they were going to do because America had just spent the last 10+ years wrecking their shit.
America literally created ISIS.
>>55841193
Here's a quick history of daesh
>"moderate rebels" and other mostly Sunnis rise up against the Syrian government
>the most radical groups, the Islamic Front and Al Nusra (along with others) pop up
>start absorbing smaller groups
>daesh pops up in Iraq, forming from sunni insurgents that have been around since forever
>Al Qaeda disassociates itself from daesh and puts it's backing behind Al Nusra
>daesh expands into Syria
>all he "moderate rebels/opposition" gets soaked up by the Islamist factions with the exception of a few groups who directly get funding from the US and her allies
>those groups are slowly absorbed or killed by daesh, Al Nusra, or other Islamists
>The only incorruptible opposition seems to be the Kurds in the north of both countries
>Turkey fucking hates them and bombs the "radical" elements in Syria
Also
>groups in Afghanistan, Libya, and other destabilized nations wage war on the behalf of daesh after swearing allegiance
>>55847521
Nice dump.
>>55848809
>im not a tinfoil hat conspiratist, honest!
>>55841193
Kind of yes, kind of no
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/wartime-admiral-obama-is-anti-american-pro-islamic/article/2560410
>>55849014
To be fair sometimes there are conspiracies, however the CIA making ISIS is not one of them. I will say though that the incompetence of American leadership by making half assed attempts at creating, arming, and funding opposition has done nothing but bolster "ISIS"
>>55849014
Nothing in my post is tinfoil or conspiracy theory. This organization didn't just appear out of thin air.
I'm not saying that the CIA is actively directing their movements but there is no plausible scenario in which ISIS exists without the actions of America.
>>55848223
>I hate how skepticism has turned into believing any retarded shit
They would call this "pseudo-skeptic". however, this label is usually applied to those who challenge the beliefs of the paranoid tinfoilists.
>>55841193
Dnevni podsetnik, da ste vi zajedno sa alkaidom i balijama ratovali protiv srba. Pickice
>>55845834
where's your evidence to support your claims that our govt created isis
>>55849014
i hope you dont proclaim yourself as a critical thinker...thatd be just rude man
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2NkjNvwuaU
All the evidence you need.
Pic related
>>55848649
>There's
They're
>theorys
theories
>conspiracys
conspiracies
>board
bored
You're a moron.
>>55848809
>Daily reminder that the government now admits that their CIA-trained shills to fight Assad LITERALLY are just "three or four" people. So tens/hundreds of millions of dollars, weapons, training etc went towards 3 or 4 people?
Wrong logic there. The weapons went to the FSA&co, when they were fighting as "democratic opposition to the goverment". They weren't officially Islamists at start, but circa 80% were supporting radical Islam. With more and more violence FSA fighters eventually joined the IS. Only a small number of the anti-Assad forces stayed "democratic", but certainly more than "3 or 4 people".
>>55841193
think of it as an omelette.
you have ingredients, a heat source and a pan.
you can change some ingredients and you still have a omelette at the end.
you can have different kinds of pans and still have a omelet at the end
you will always need heat source.
islam is the heat source, the US is the pan and the tribal conflicts are the ingredients.
the US was just the catalyst to this conflict.
>>55848809
>America literally created ISIS.
keep fighting the good fight
>>55848649
I thought it was because monsters are real and we told those stories so they wouldnt go into the spooky woods ..huh
Does it matter at this point?
They exist and the only countries actively killing mudslimes and Isis in the world are Russia, United States, and France
>>55849643
My bad, the official number was actually "four or five."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nk7FpBzJ6OA
And yes I know fox news is retarded but a general actually fucking said this. Go to 0:58.
>>55848800
>This shit
THE INDEPENDENT IS A BRITISH, LIBERAL NEWSPAPER
ROBERT FISK IS A BRITISH GUY
HOW DOES THIS BRITISH LIBERAL ARTICLE FROM 1993 PROVE THE US CREATED TERRORIST?
Seriously, you conspiracy fags are the DUMBEST people on /pol/ You dont do any research yourself and jest believe any stupid shit you see
go fuck yourself
>>55847855
>What's the dilly with that, yo?
Toyota Forerunners and Hiluxs are very common worldwide because of how durable they are.
>>55850013
>US trained non-jihadist syrians and managed to train only 4-5
Thats just ebin fail of your country, it doesn't mean there are only 4-5 non-IS anti-Assad fighters.
>>55850403
No, it just means that the USA has let the situation spin wildly out of control. Again.
We keep doing the same shit and then act like it's a surprise when dumping a shitload of guns and ammo and forming radical networks of fundamentalists to take out our enemies doesn't work out well.
>>55848809
The hilarious thing is that those 3 or 4 got carjacked by ISIS. Google it for Comedic Value. Obama is a fucking useless nigger, and you should be ashamed for allowing him to step foot in the White House.
>>55841684
/bread
Anyone have that comic picture of the statue of liberty going to Paris with a rifle in her hand?
.
>>55849949
>the only countries actively killing mudslimes and Isis in the world are Russia, United States, and France
lol nice one Chaim
Iran, Syria as Lebanon are the only ones really fighting ISIS. Bombing flags and shitty outposts doesn't count as fighting.
You should stop watching fix news. USA and company are the one who created ISIS
>>55850619
You kinda missed the point, I was arguing that the US fucked up in Syria, but the IS wasn't their "dream outcome". The fact your country failed at training some fighters is irrelevant.
>We keep doing the same shit and then act like it's a surprise when dumping a shitload of guns and ammo and forming radical networks of fundamentalists to take out our enemies doesn't work out well.
Wouldn't mind if you stop doing that. But child doesn't learn until he gets burned and only ones getting burned are the muslims.
>>55848957
Hello!
>>55849014
You, of all people, should know better.
>>55849314
Hrvat je tat.
>>55849490
>They're conspiracy theorys for everything.
You are a retard too.
Final verdict: Thread full of shills. Abandon.
>>55841193
We indirectly created them by destabilizing the situation in Iraq and then leaving a power vacuum when we pulled out.
https://youtu.be/BJPOtPl-0NI
Guy has a funny voice, but provides a good argument.
>>55851484
They created the need themselves. The Arab regimes were National Socialist, and as such were only held together by their hatred of Jews and the West.
Talk shit, get hit.
The world needs warfare, and that's the simple truth. A reset every now and then is called for. The next generation of Europeans and Westerners will understand.
This one is far too keked and coddled by their boomer parents.
I sincerely doubt it.
>>55849014
fuck off filthy gook!
>>55841193
not entirely, i'm sure Mossad has helped a lot
but the USA paid for it
>>55851444
Well, yeah, US foreign policy has basically just been an endless progression of one fucked up scenario after another, and doing damage control of the wreckage of last year's damage control, rinse and repeat.
I feel like it's just become such a huge shitstorm that there's no reasonable way forward. I don't know what the fuck Obama is about to do, much less whoever gets into office next. Something's gotta give eventually. It seems inevitable, in retrospect, that eventually an organization like ISIS would rise and take a dominant place in the region.
>>55853958
from the POV of an american, yes its a progression of fuckups, but POV of israel it's all according to plan
