Gentlemen, I find myself confused.
I'm taking a class on holocaust in my college, this week we have been told that to according to numerous witness the bodies of the victims in the death camps had a blueish hue after being gassed. It happens however that I know some chemistry myself and as far as I know cyanide and carbon monoxide do not leave a blue color in their victims, but a rather pinkish one. But why so many witness claim they were blue?
Another question that has been bugging me and no one seems to have a good answer to is why would the germans go through all the trouble of transporting millions of jews across countries to simply kill most of them as soon as they got to their destination? Why not kill them where they stand? There are numerous ways to do that without having to expend that much resources. People say its because the nazis were simply insane and I refuse to believe such simplistic notion.
>Blue
>Lack of oxygen im blood
I personally believe the concentration camps were originally work camps but towards the end of the war when resources were too low to feed them, they starved them and gassed them.
tl:dr if the holocaust does make sense how so many witness claim the same absurd stuff?
>>55825272
>people freeze to death during winter
>jews make up wild stories about gas chambers and roller-coasters that propel victims into ovens
>>55825876
It's believable that many of them starved to death, but if the resources were already low why spend them on buying death gas instead of food? Doesnt make sense, you either leave them to die or try to help them, it seems pointless to actively kill them at that point.
>>55825272
>But why so many witness claim they were blue?
Because they're lying.
>why would the germans go through all the trouble of transporting millions of jews
they wouldn't
>>55825272
I thought the Zyklon gas thinggy made them blue because the gas colors blue or some shit. There is even Fotos of where the Zyklon was stored an everything is blue
>>55825272
According to the myth, the elderly and children were gassed immediately upon arrival at Auschwitz. Why were there so many elderly and children living at Auschitz when it was liberated?
OP's pic related
>>55826655
They have no color, Zyklon-b and carbon monoxide leave a blue color to buildings because chemistry reactions, they leave pink in humans because they fuck up your blood vessels.
>>55825272
>why would the germans go through all the trouble of transporting millions of jews across countries to simply kill most of them as soon as they got to their destination? Why not kill them where they stand?
Most of jews in occupaed territoties were killed in their own towns/villages. Read about Babiy Yar in Kiev. The same actions took place in all territory. Often Nazi just get together in one building all village people and then burn it.
>>55825272
>Why not kill them where they stand?
Because the idea was for it to be done in secret. The Nazi leadership learned that lesson after the T4 program.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_T4
>>55825880
Also, it sucks that you're taking a Holocaust class.
I took an NSDAP class that was far more interesting. The Holocaust was pretty much an afterthought. Instead, we learned about the formation of the party in 1918, the Weimar government, and then finally got to the nuts and bolts of post 1933 Germany.
10/10, very interesting.
The Holocaust is very boring.
>>55825272
As for the color and the gas: No clue, never really had any interest in the Holocaust overall.
The latter question is quite easy to answer: They didn't want the general population to witness them killing unarmed civilians in the streets outside of actual combat. That's why they were transported to specific locations. Just bringing them into a nearby forest and executing them there would still leave locals stumbling upon masses of dead bodies.
>>55827676
>>55827901
If the population was against such massacres, why would the hundreds of german military personal want to go along with it? I can understand how a soft-hearted person (the majority of the population) would dislike euthanasia, but if you think about it is not as cruel as it looks.
>>55827901
That's why the US made 'internment' caps for Japanese and others. We didn't want to kill them in the streets, so we secreted them away to isolated locations to kill them.
Oh wait, we didn't kill them? We did the same thing the Nazis did? Just grabbed potential enemies of the state and made sure they didn't commit treason or sabotage?
Nah, there was no gassing. They were treated as enemies of the state, but they weren't systematically killed. By the late stages of the war, supplies, medicine, and food were scarce, so they started starving and dying of infection.
There's no hard evidence whatsoever that gas was ever used on people. In fact, there's a lot of evidence that the 'gas chambers' are postwar 'reconstructions' or modified shelters meant to give the impression of being gas chambers.
From Auschwitz to Treblinka, the gas chambers have been quietly relabeled as proof of their innocent purpose has been uncovered. Showers with windows aren't useful gas chambers. Bomb shelters with two hinged wooden doors aren't useful gas chambers.
Any full scale murder operation would require other systems in place to handle the bodies, the security, the administration of poison gas. None of those have been uncovered.
What has been uncovered is years of creative storytelling, meant to lead the observer to a foregone conclusion. But people are slowly waking up. Hopefully this bullshit myth can die before there's no one left to question it.
>>55828901
I know the practice of concentration camps has been around since the late 19th / early 20th century. But a difference most people never make is the one between concentration and death camps during WW2.
Listen, I'm legally unable to discuss this matter as I am only allowed to have a single opinion on this. Same goes for any euthanasia discussions with >>55828632
I merely wanted to give a sound idea to OPs second question here, but due to flag related you guys should know that I can't discuss this issue further.
>>55828632
>>55828632
>If the population was against such massacres, why would the hundreds of german military personal want to go along with it?
They didn't want to go along with it, they did so reluctantly. For example, Himmler explained to his Generals in Sonthofen in 1944:
"You can understand how difficult it was for me to carry out this military order which I was given and which I implemented out of a sense of obedience and absolute conviction."
>>55825272
If you look at the logistics of it the vast majority of Jews lived in Eastern Europe so it made sense to build the camps there. The Jewish populations deported from Western Europe were only a small total of the overall death camp population.
>>55829314
Do it pussy.
>>55829480
Easy for a free man to say to someone who is not.
>>55829314
Fair enough. What a travesty that you're limited to one opinion on matters of history. Outside of your borders and cultural landscape, there is a wealth of knowledge being amassed that vindicate your countrymen and ancestors.
Hold strong to your people and your culture. You are not villains. The destruction of your culture is the endgame of this damn historical lie.
>>55828901
>Hopefully this bullshit myth can die before there's no one left to question it.
Unlikely. Remember I'm taking a class on it and will get credits for swallowing it all. When I inquired the teacher (a jewess) about thing that simply dont make sense she has said the nazis were insane psychopath murderers and everyone started looking at me strangely.
Zyklon-B was used to clean the unfit. >hydrocyanic acid
>>55825272
For the 2nd part, the idea was to remove from german soil AKA transfer them. Meanwhile the war efforts and Germany weny Kaputt.
>>55829314
Germanbro, do yourself a favor. Don't post now, it isn't safe. They're raiding houses that have activity of 'spreading hate speech'. Lay low, find others near you that feel the same. Work out schedules to escort your women and children to and from school and work. If Putin will not save you, and Poland will not save you, we will. Just wait. We will come one day. And we'll have exhausted our massive American supply of bubblegum.
>>55829476
Wasn't Himmler the only one who admitted the Wannsee Conference's purpose was to exterminated all jews? Everyone else that was in the conference said no such thing was discussed there.
>>55825272
Long story short, the US and UK are responsible for Auschwitz, more here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar_Plan
>>55830117
No, Himmler did not attend the conference.
>>55825272
>Another question that has been bugging me and no one seems to have a good answer to is why would the germans go through all the trouble of transporting millions of jews across countries to simply kill most of them as soon as they got to their destination? Why not kill them where they stand? There are numerous ways to do that without having to expend that much resources. People say its because the nazis were simply insane and I refuse to believe such simplistic notion
The Nazis were trying to keep it a secret from the mass public. Contain and kill
>>55830429
>>The Nazis were trying to keep it a secret from the mass public. Contain and kill
Yes, and it was a test run for things planned:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost
>>55829314
Just zündel a little bit: www.zundelsite.org
>>55825272
>Another question that has been bugging me and no one seems to have a good answer to is why would the germans go through all the trouble of transporting millions of jews across countries to simply kill most of them as soon as they got to their destination? Why not kill them where they stand?
to maintain the fiction that they were being 'resettled'. also so that edgelords 70 years later could say it never happened
This should be part of your essay
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/11/13/germany-87-year-old-nazi-grandma-jailed-for-denying-holocaust/
>>55830395
Yeah you're right, but Himmler was as high ranked as Heydrich himself. If someone like that was against the genocide how could they happen in the first place?
>>55830822
>Nearly all the wartime documentation on Generalplan Ost was deliberately destroyed shortly before Germany's defeat in May 1945.[5][6] Thus, no copies of the plan have ever been found after the war among the documents in German archives. Ehlich's testimony, there are several documents which refer to this plan or are supplements to it.
So no one knows what it really was and we only have the testimony of a war prisoner and some papers which defer to it.
>>55825876
All camps investigated by the US were deemed work camps. All camps investigated by the Russians were deemed death camps and all records and accounts taken were held back for some time. It's true that there were a lot of deaths from disease and starvation, but the toll really doesn't even come close to the 6 million figure they push. It isn't an all-or-nothing either 6 million died or were killed. Almost all of the prisoners survived and toward the end of the war most of them weren't even Jewish.
