quran 5:32
This pic is going viral in France , sadly this is a shitty translation according to http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=5&verse=32
The verse is clearly not opposed to the dozens of other verses prescribing or ordering to kill the infidels , nonbelievers , gays...etc because it clearly says that killing "someone who spreads mischief" " corrupted soul " etc.. is OK
crude translation from pic :
"one whom kills a man who didn't commit any violence on earth , or killed , it's as he killed every man.
One whom saves one innocent , it's as he saved the whole humanity"
sorry for the bad english
What do you think of this Taqqya /pol/ ?
>>55824519
Only applicable to people in an Islamic society, doesn't count kaffirs.
This is common sense.
same thing for the verse below :
http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=6&verse=151
>>55824662
sure, Shlomo
![345[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/spT6NNU.jpg "345[1].jpg")
>>55824519
I think people should read the next verse in order to give it some context
>quran 5:33
>The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom;
>>55824785
What are you getting at? I'm saying this is only applicable to other Muslims and not non Muslims.
>>55824888
damn thank you ! Didn't notice that this one came just after , now the fags claiming that the verse of the sword and others are "out of context" ( they aren't ) can be buttfucked when they try to pull V.32 off . amazing
>>55824519
>hurr 1 person dies everyone dies
>hurr save 1 person save everyone
both statements contradict each other.
>>55824519
This is as bad as taking the "evil" quotes from Quran and claiming that THIS IS WHAT THIS BOOK ACTUALLY STANDS FOR.
>>55824662
read around the passage, you will understand that this was imposed by the mudslimes to the jews. Has nothing to do generally, just laws that they told jews to follow
>>55825391
pic related
>>55824519
stop using the word 'Taqqya' over and over again /pol/ faggots. you don't understand what it mean. do you morons actually think that Islam will put a lie in its holy book just to fuck with non-muslims? fucking idiots.
>>55824519
Just read 5:33, literally the next sentence.
>>55825716
yes. you paki shits claim that the bible was edited - it was, no one denies that. what you fail to admit is that the quran was almost definitely edited. 6200+ verses are not passed on by memory for 300 years.
>>55825716
It's objective fact that you lie and contort your religion to meet your own needs.
>>55824519
> Shakir: For this reason did We prescribe to the children of Israel that whoever slays a soul, unless it be for manslaughter or for mischief in the land, it is as though he slew all men; and whoever keeps it alive, it is as though he kept alive all men; and certainly Our messengers came to them with clear arguments, but even after that many of them certainly act extravagantly in the land.
the french version literally ignored the part were they say "unless the man you kill is gay/non-muslim.
>>55825834
Off-course the bible is edited for moron.
How you think the author died in the end and somehow the book still got finished.
>>55824519
Going viral ? So why have I discovered it through /pol/ ?
>>55825834
They even have a term for editing or "changing for the better": naskh.
Here's the whole verse (plus the one above and below) for better context:
"31. Then God sent a raven digging the ground, to show him how to cover his brother's corpse. He said, "Woe to me! I was unable to be like this raven, and bury my brother's corpse." So he became full of regrets.
32. Because of that We ordained for the Children of Israel: that whoever kills a person-unless it is for murder or corruption on earth-it is as if he killed the whole of mankind; and whoever saves it, it is as if he saved the whole of mankind. Our messengers came to them with clarifications, but even after that, many of them continue to commit excesses in the land.
33. The punishment for those who fight God and His Messenger, and strive to spread corruption on earth, is that they be killed, or crucified, or have their hands and feet cut off on opposite sides, or be banished from the land. That is to disgrace them in this life; and in the Hereafter they will have a terrible punishment."
via - http://www.clearquran.com/005.html
Picture: FB - Americans Against Islamophobia
>>55824519
They never post the whole verse. It's either mudslimes or lefty shills. Either way, they are scum.
>>55824519
Look at the full passage, it only concerns the children of Israel. Only if a jew kills someone is it as though he has killed all, or if they save someone, they save all. Jews only though.
>>55825769
hahahaha
that's fucked bro
Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,
>>55825716
yeah I don't get it, isn't it only lying when you're gonna be persecuted? people seem to use the word Taqqya.
>>55825365
Well you can easily quote the Qur'an out of context, because *every verse* in the Qur'an has no context (except for historical context). Also the Qur'an is the literal word of Allah and is infallible.
So if you kill 100 people, it's as though you killed all of humanity, but by saving 1 you atone for that, as you've just saved all of humanity too, right?
If you see Quaran 5:32 posted - simply reply with Quran 5:33. And also mention that the Quran's definition of innocents is completely different to the reader's.
>>55826219
Meanwhile your underage sister is getting gang-banged by the brave Mujahideen. Simmer down, Nigel.
>>55824519
It is best to learn Arabic/Arabic if you wish to read The Recital. All translations are suspect, and the best of them of only marginal usefulness.
>>55826012
there is not a single author, there are many. You can still read some of the originals in latin or greek today, something that Islam cannot do, as the earliest quran was made in 9th century (at the earliest), whereas mohammad died in the 6th.
>>55824888
>how dare muslims defend themselves !
>>55825834
Quran was handwritten while Muhammad (pbuh) was still alive, later compiler shortly after his death
>>55826947
was it then? the earliest copy known to date is in samarkand, dated to be of 9th century. It wasn't even written by one person, as some pages are very carefully written and others are crumpled.
>>55826861
The real quote of 5:32 is actually:
"On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone slew a person - unless it be in retaliation for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew all mankind: and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all humanity. "
Which is actually to be interpreted as killing is okay in self defense, or those who are killed are bringers of mischief. Mischief in the Quran is described in verse 7:103:
"Then after them We sent Moses with Our signs to Pharaoh and his chiefs, but they wrongfully rejected them: So see what was the end of those who made mischief."
Those who rejected the message of Allah were deemed to be mischief and so said to be put to an end.
So the real interpretation of 5:32, instead of the lie apologist version depicted in that photo, is that Muslims are able to kill other Muslims in self defense and anyone who else that does not accept/convert Allah are free game.
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>>55826430
>Read the rest of the sentence
Okay
>>55826219
>>55826430
The whole book is historically out of context , anyone who follows it thinks it isn't , therefore it's hypocrisy to select from it.
>>55827066
Public (and even private) access to the principle archives of Islam in Mecca and Medina is strictly controlled by the Saudis. Qualified researchers cannot use them if the Saudis think they will not like the results.
Wahhabi burned many of the early copies of the Recital in the 1700's.
