What benefits did we gain from giving women more rights and power in society?
We drove wages down. Leftists gained a lot of voters.
Society gained nothing.
>>55808174
Kucks that only had daughters wanted their bloodline to remain relevant. Nothing more, nothing else.
>>55808334
>>55808400
is that it?
a ten fold increase in bitching and complaining
>>55808174
Organized labor was destroyed by doubling the number of people in the workforce. Companies no longer have to compete for employees, but rather people must now compete for employment.
Rights for them to accuse us all of rape, even if we didn't do it and get arrested on the spot, evidence or not
>>55808174
We didn't get anything, but somebody else sure did.....
>>55808400
Are you retarded?
Daughters are a far safer bet than sons.
A daughter has a 99% chance of getting married and having kids.
A son has like a 50% chance of getting married and having kids, but a 1% chance of fucking 20 woen and having 100 kids.
Sons are a gamble, daughters are a sure thing.
They didn't complain and were quiet for a little bit
>>55808174
masked the effects of the rapidly shrinking middle class.
With 2 incomes, families don't get hit as hard by rising income taxes and lower wages.
>>55808561
oh and they also yell at us all for not fucking their landwhale asses
>>55808726
Yes, a sure thing that little Deborah will fuck 100s of niggers so she doesn't get accused of racism.
>>55808922
>>55808726
>A son has like a 50% chance of getting married
>>55808174
Nothing good has come from this. Women are increasingly whorish, arrogant, bitchy, power hungry, bipolar, fat, and generally unpleasant to be around. The last thing I like to hear on a date is some bitch talk about how she has been screwing everyone and how shes better than every woman she works with. Giving them rights was a huge mistake and may soon prove the doom of our society.
>>55808174
Sluts. Bigger government. Less wealth. Less children.
>>55810729
This, pretty much everything fucked us up.
do you mean ''we'' as in society or just males?
as societ:
cheaper labour
bigger workforce
more consumers therefore a bigger economy
that's it.
as males:
if you're a chad lots of women to fuck
>>55808174
Porn, sex without marriage or children.
>>55811273
Fucking hell got to bed m8
>>55811273
back to /r9k you can literally smell depression an desperation in this post.
justice
No benefits. Women, who weren't doing shit in the first place were completely relieved of their responsibilities. The result is that it's pointless to ever marry, have children, even have a girlfriend.
On the bright side, like someone mentioned, if you're Chad you can slay pussy every day without consequences.
Women are people too and you get a just society that treats all its people equally and doesn't cause your birth to affect your life for any reason aside from merit
Putting weather they're a man or woman aside...
No one should be allowed to vote unless they own some kind of property/land.
Alimoney HomeOwner fucks, need not apply. Them cunts are basically just on welfare.
>>55808174
Free sex
>>55812687
So if you rent you shouldn't be allowed to vote? Whatll stop home owners from creating exploitative policies that harm renters?
>>55812373
this "just society" is gonna mean the end of society
>>55811273
>he's either 10 years old, the ultimate introvert, or has never stopped out of his mother basement
>''m-muh chad & stacy''
An hero, Emu. Weak links like you are letting us down letting us down.
We gained a lot of false allegations where women could false accuse men for crimes they never committed, and ruin his life behind jail.
When faced with this problem, feminists just shrug it off, as if they don't have any brothers or fathers they care about.
They are inhuman.
>>55812741
You already had that since the beginning of time.
>>55812840
>No one should be allowed to vote unless they own some kind of property/land.
Sorry that was meant to be more of a Question.
I was wondering what you guys think
>captcha: problem glasses
>>55809167
That .Gif should end with a nuke going off.
>>55813103
I want this to happen.
Then see it spread on tumblr, then watch butthurt
>>55808726
>daughters are a sure thing
Except they arent just check Match, literally every woman is 35+ without kids
>>55808174
This is why you'll die alone. Who is "we?" Because the women obviously gained a lot from this by being granted equal rights. You don't even consider how women feel.
>>55813339
>equal rights
That's not what they gained. They gained superior rights.
>>55812840
I don't see any way to limit the free market when it comes to something as plentiful as real estate. I don't think what you're saying is a concern at all
Nothing. Giving women the right to vote is what got us into shit like a welfare state which has destroyed more than anything.
The first thing women were allowed to vote on here lead to prohibition. Women should have absolutely no say in anything.
Inb4 tips fedora women have a herd mentality
>>55811876
Really? What injustice related to women's rights was there in Portugal to begin with?
I think I just figured out the solution to the refugee protection.
These people hate men especially the feminists, ask them why there are no women refugees from these 'war torn' countries.
They got left by the men to starve or get murdered, it doesn't have to be true but these dumb bitches wont know the difference.
We became dependent on debt.
http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~iversen/PDFfiles/LottKenny.pdf
>>55813427
>>55813561
No, superior, in their minds, so they think.
But look at it this way
>be 25 y/o lovely happy woman
>have husband who's around the same age
>he's on career track (as women didn't work and men had the proper chance to work, plus there was no immigration)
>have kids together
>don't have to send them to kindergarten as she looks after them at home (her gf's bring their kids over)
then, the next generation...
>''OY VEY!''
>Mr Whats-his-name starts funding/deluding people (PC/CultMarx/FrankfSch)
> = some deluded women who already had an unhealthy mind to begin with start spreading 'Feminism'
>Feminist: ''WOMEN START WORKING!!!! START VOTING!!!!''
>Average young woman: ''Huh?''
>Feminist: ''YES, START WORKING!!!! START VOTING!!!!''
>Average young woman: ''Hhhhmmm this seems okey!, I don't know what the endgame is, but hey! :D''
>Average young woman: ''I also don't know why we want people working, I also don't even know why I want to work instead of having an easy life, looking after me and Hardold kids''
>Young woman starts working
>Lifes harder
>It's not in womans nature to constantly work hard
>But she's not even aware of it
>Everything a bliss, as usual
>Her lifes getting quite depressing. Not being in her natural environment an all
>Depression by age 30
>Mid-life crisis by 40
Then there's the generation after
We have a new small group of women, the 'career bitch'
>30 years old now
>No kids
>Hardly any real relationships
>Depresion again
Path 1 of the career bitch
>Time is ticking by
>Getting desperate
>Has to to settle with anyone
>No concentration or real judgement of who she's settling with (later divorce)
>Just wants kids.png
>Divorce
>Depression/Alcoholism
>Dead at 60-70
Path 2
>Has many more desperate failed relationships
>Hits 40
>Still not married
>Heavy midlife crisis
>End up going to nightclubs to seek young men
>Because she lacked being around young men when she was young herself
>Alcoholism
>Dead around the same age, 60-70
Cont.
>>55808726
"Sure thing" that means nothing.
Just a baby machine
>>55808726
Do you have citations for the numbers?
>>55812840
>Whatll stop home owners from creating exploitative policies that harm renters?
Not stopping them from exploitative policies, but renters could always rise up and rage against the machine.
>>55815082
>No, superior, in their minds
You're wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRO55KG_2ic
They can even do attempted murder against a cop. And the jury will acquit them for the crime because they have a vagina.
Cont.
2/2
All women have done, is not only let down society as a whole, but by letting them vote, they've made their lives rapidly more worse than anyone else's.
Literally, they've put themselves on a downward spiral so fucking blissfully fast that they're literally crumbled bones, flesh and a puddle of blood on the floor from hitting the pavement so hard.
This is also the cause of single mothers, who raise repulsive spoiled children.
This is also why child support welfare needs to stop. If you fucked up and got pregnant and you can't afford it, you best let your parents (child's grandparents) look after it instead. If you fell out with your parents from being a shit person, then I don't know, National Government care? Adoption?
People, and this goes for everyone, need to start fish slapping themselves in the face and start manning the fuck up. Every things become 'Me me me' and special snowflake feelings.
If someone's healthy minded/psychically, and they still can't be bothered to even try look after themselves? then they're a piece of fucking shit and should rot. Just like a lazy animal in the animal kingdoms.
Never plant into your kids minds they're special.
>>55816109
I see where you're coming from.
This is because of PC mainly.
This is not women minds creating this in general.
White (or western) man is asleep/in a coma. Once he wakes and and the pendulum makes it's first major swing in over 40-50 years. Things will change. And I'm not talking violence either, I'm talking control and putting certain people in the places they belong, gender and race aside.
Most women aren't even aware of their vaginal weapon (currently fading). Ity's not even them empowering it. It's the 'entity' that's pushing them, if you know what I mean.
What do you think femanons feel when they go through this post?
>>55812899
>Weak links like you are letting us down letting us down.
Show your 10/10 gf Mr.Chad-Stronglink, or are you just a beta whos gonna get raped by someones leftovers in the divorce court?
>>55808174
It didn't happen because of collective advantage, it was a lot of men acting for their individual advantage.
- wanting to be popular with girls by flattering them collectively
- wanting to get convince girls to be loose with you through rhetoric about sexual equality
- wanting to bring in new voters so they will vote for you in gratitude
- wanting to position oneself as "the candidate who cares about women"
- wanting to increase the numbers of paying students
- wanting to expand the trade union and thereby gain power
- wanting more people competing for the same jobs, lowering wages
It's all about getting sex, votes, or money by underhanded means, and the common good be damned.
electricity and home electrical appliances made homemaking obsolete. It was going to happen sooner or later. Idle women wouldn't accept 2d class status.
>>55808726
>A daughter has a 99% chance of getting married and having kids.
>A son has like a 50% chance of getting married and having kids, but a 1% chance of fucking 20 women and having 100 kids.
I swear this mgtow shit get's more retarded everyday.
What benefits did they have by having less right, and less power in society?
>>55818102
they lived in a better society
>>55817929
>Idle women wouldn't accept 2d class status.
3d women will never be 2d class.
>>55818102
They were treated like perpetual children. Fewer rights, fewer responsibilities. They made less money, but they didn't have to pay to support themselves.
>>55818154
A better society for men maybe.
>>55818335
maybe.
It's hard to say because cataris parabus and what not, but I really do think society would be better for everyone if women didn't have the right to vote. We should also bring back literacy tests
One vote per household would be great
We would certainly be less demagogic
>>55818102
They didn't have to pay for things.
No that they do have to pay for things they advocate socialism or Marixism so that they can go back to square one but seemingly on their terms.
>>55818335
both sexes are the unhappiest they have ever been right now
I've resorted back to Biblical and Talmudic ideologies in regards to the second sex.
Regain the kingdom, white man.
>>55808174
Nothing but treason
>>55817008
nuuu can't anyone throw an assumption
It's quite liberating to read reports in The Bible of women being gangraped to death.
Also the parts of giving away daughters as mere commodities.
>>55808174
>"Women's suffrage was a mistake"- Emilia Pankhurst
>>55808174
lots of virgin faget anger
>>55817008
I am a femanon, and I find these threads amuse me, mostly because all these bitter dwellers despise women yet only feel validated if they have one.
>>55817929
>electricity and home electrical appliances made homemaking obsolete.
Not really. It just made it possible for women to get PT jobs after their kids left the home. Sure, you don't have to beat your clothes clean with a rock in the nearby river. But there's still plenty of shit to be done around the home, especially if you have a real house with a garden and what not.
Anyway, women mainly wanted suffrage because they were indignant about the lowest of men having it. No longer was voting reserved to the head of a respectable household. The days of the landowners vote were in the past, and women's suffrage was only 1 step in universal suffrage.
>>55819055
There is kind of an interesting disconnect for a guy being supported by his mother saying that women should be supported by men.
Hating women all the time is too autistic4me f.am
>>55818472
I don't think giving women the right to vote has made as much of an impact as /pol/ likes to hyperbole about, atleast compared to how much race plays.
>>55818548
Nothing wrong with being unhappy, it motivates one to change themselves or their environment in the pursuit of their happiness.
>>55808174
It was the turning point and march towards the destruction of America in short. Our goal should be to single out the most logical and objective people possible for voting purposes. Women are typically neither logical nor objective.
>>55819523
>People are typically neither logical nor objective.
Let's be honest. There's a reason why PR is a thing.
The Jews gained their Useful idiots
>>55812373
>People are equal
Wrong, people are exactly what they are, and allowing women to vote has led to a vast array of social programs and the inevitable destruction of America.
>>55818102
>What benefits did they have by having less right, and less power in society?
What benefits do children have by having less rights, and less power in society?
In both cases, the answer is the same: they get to live in a society that makes more sense, runs more smoothly, and is better able to take care of them.
Human evolution has produced a species with a significant sexual dimorphism. Much of the difference between sexes is achieved by stopping growth sooner. This affects the brain in a similar way to the body: it grows less, and becomes less capable. Much of the rest of the difference has to do with childcare and survival as a dependent: tolerance of tedium, being emotional and sentimental, backing down from open conflict, natural inclination toward entitlement, shameless acceptance of dependency, etc.
Successful societies are generally patriarchal. If you have people with more developed brains, and people with less developed brains, having the former in charge of your society just works better.
Democracy is a pretty questionable idea to begin with. It tends to degenerate into the mediocre majority plundering the elite, then collapsing. Increasing the number of emotional, entitled voters certainly doesn't improve the situation.
Men got a taste of their own medicine. I had to up my game because hot feminazis are a challenge as opposed to basic bitches.
"Suga mamas"- a cousin of mine married some rich broad who owned an advertising company. Three kids a hot baby nurse/maid he's fucking, regular trips to Europe and south America just to do whatever.
Gay marriage as a choice not need- if your bitch couldn't get a job you would be living with a dude right now.
More sluts- if I need to explain this, you need to read more about feminism.
>>55813509
In Israel real estate is a huge population, mainly due to governmental ineptitude, I could see that getting even worse if renters were unable to vote
>>55815496
The whole point of democracy is to allow different ideologies and interests to coexist without having revolutions every few decades
>>55819685
Yes and allowing all men to vote was the 1st mistake. Male landowners was a very logical choice. Today I would make the distinction at male tax owners.
>>55818809
>nuuuu
איך רואים שאתה ישראלי, נו זו לא מילה בינלאומית חחחחח
>>55820552
To the oven it goes.
>>55819507
>how much race plays
well that goes without saying, but what can you possibly do about that
America will become less and less white every year until it eventually collapses.
I know i sure won't be here when that happens.
>>55808726
I'd rather put my faith into my son. At least he is a man and capable of rational though.
Women are literally nothing more than breeding hatcheries for future humans. And as soon as whites have stopped acknowledging this fact our race has started to die.
>>55819685
>People
Going "people suck it's not a particular group" is just cowardice.
The fact of the matter is that while maybe 70% of men are irrational. It's more like 90% of women.
>>55820708
Can't you Italians spend 5 minutes without thinking about how you're gonna cook your next pizza?
>>55820765
Where should we go? Who would take us in?
>>55808174
We gained nothing. The world as become a shittier place even for women. They don't know what's best for themselves
>>55820684
eat and weep
יענו תאכל ותבכה לול אקס-די סו ראנדום
תהרוג אותי
>>55812840
> Whatll stop home owners from creating exploitative policies that harm renters?
the fact that people won't rent from them. It's private property. I don't see why someone shouldn't be able to draft any policy they want.
>>55820552
>different ideologies
>coexist without having revolutions every few decades
m8
Women's lib SOUNDS good. But I don't like western "feminism" these days. Men are the property of women in marriage now. Men aren't going to want to get married. Feminism has gone too far
>>55821157
If people won't rent, and can't afford buying property, where are they gonna live?
>>55820552
>The whole point of democracy is to allow different ideologies and interests to coexist without having revolutions every few decades
Here's another reason not to give women the vote.
Women aren't going to rise up and have an effective rebellion against men in general. The suffragettes tried to put on a show that they could, but they always played the vagina card. They used to do things like dress up in frilly dresses and go smash windows. "Tee hee, silly boys! We can be just as violent as you can, but you wouldn't hit a proper dressed-up lady, would you?"
A tiny minority of women were willing to pull stunts like this, as long as they thought men weren't going to slap a bitch. It was a ridiculous put-on.
But politicians understood that if they supported adding a huge number of new voters, and their opponents opposed it, and they managed to add those new voters, they'd be set to win for decades. It's the same kind of thing that's happening with illegal immigrants and refugee swarms in the USA and Europe: if you can slip in a crowd of voters that your opponents tried to keep out, you're made, no matter how much worse it makes the situation in general.
>>55813561
>The first thing women were allowed to vote on here lead to prohibition
This is a myth.
Prohibition was done a year before the federal amendment giving women the right to vote.
Before then women's voting was limited, although it was common.
>>55820357
Dimorphism in humans is different yes, but its not as significant as leaving one sex totally dependent on the other for survival. For offspring to have a chance the mother needs to be capable of surviving without a provider, its not normal but its also not uncommon. Also development of the brain between men and women doesn't just stop, it develops differently with for different purposes.
>>55821427
>if you can slip in a crowd of voters that your opponents tried to keep out, you're made
Exactly.
And then when it seems like it'll happen the other side will switch because they also want your vote.
It's a slippery slope if there ever was one.
Prohibition
Gun Control
The War on Drugs
SJW
>>55818900
>lots of virgin faget anger
so it was all worth it?
>>55820784
A good women is both a rational human and a breeding hatchery.
Do not be fooled. These women do exist, and they are the ones worthy of sharing your life with.
>>55808174
Jews get weaker goyim.
>>55821635
>Also development of the brain between men and women doesn't just stop, it develops differently with for different purposes.
The development of the brain stops earlier in women than in men. They "mature faster", which is to say, they grow less.
Men and women have basically all the same genes available. If equal results were achieved with a smaller brain that grows up in less time, why would men grow a larger brain in more time? In the evolutionary context, that would be a major waste of time and nutrients. There would be a strong selective force against it.
No, this is a case where you get what you pay for. Female brain development is limited to save nutrients, for the tribe and for her offspring, in a trade-off with performance.
>For offspring to have a chance the mother needs to be capable of surviving without a provider
When you find women surviving "without a provider", this is pretty much always with various providers. Whether she's a prostitute, or her birth family takes care of her, or there's a welfare system of some sort, or there's a camoflaged welfare system of pretending women are independant, but paying them like men for easy work, the support is coming from somewhere.
>>55822492
Physically women mature faster than men, the development of the brain continues well past the development of the body in both men and women. Brain size is not a direct correlation to intelligence and mental development either.
>When you find women surviving "without a provider"
I'm talking in evolutionary terms, not some modern critique of society.
>>55812373
>Israel
>Justifying feminism
>Advocating the fall of western civilization
Color me surprised
>>55819055
>There are white European qts posting on /pol/ RIGHT NOW
Just letting you know I'm fapping like crazy.
>>55808174
Not a single damn thing. They are even less happier now.
>>55808174
Women now have the illusion that they have more control but I still keep on winning ;p xo
>>55820836
Damnit I actually laughed at that.
>>55823035
>Brain size is not a direct correlation to intelligence and mental development either.
Yes, human ability and efficiency varies considerably due to genetic differences.
But male and female are not distinct genetic groups. Men have all the same genetic information available to them as women do (men have an X chromosome), and women have practically all the same genes (the Y chromosome contains few genes, and is little other than a trigger for maleness).
If there were some efficiency revolution in women's brains, it would quickly transfer over to men's. Sex differences are relatively fragile to mutation. It makes no sense that women would just have equally effective brains at much lower cost.
And all the data supports the inequality of male and female brains. Despite the best efforts of IQ test designers to have the results come out the same for men and women, the numbers of high-IQ men are far higher than high-IQ women. There's no area of measurable intelligence where women show marked superiority over men, but several where men show marked superiority over women, most notably spacial reasoning.
>I'm talking in evolutionary terms
You think women survived and raised children alone in the wilderness?
In our evolutionary past, the basic unit of human survival was not the individual, or the nuclear family, but the tribe. The women of a tribe were dependent on the men of the tribe. The men could run off and survive on their own indefinitely, and have reproductive success by raping other tribes' women, but the women they abandoned would be doomed.
>>55824384
How many attractive brit women are there? They tend to be very ugly looking.
And the accent doesn't play well with them either, real boner killer.
>>55824630
Thanks doc.
>>55808726
Yeah daughters are somewhat a safer bet. But in today's anti-family climate in western societies, I would not hedge my bet on anything (particularly with the increase of women in college). Lot of those women will probably get really good jobs and have a hard time finding a man that they feel is good enough for them.
>>55808174
we shut them up about it for a little bit
>>55819055
Are you telepathic?
>>55820788
>Going "people suck it's not a particular group" is just cowardice.
No, it's a relevant point in the context of universal suffrage. Because the problem is not women's suffrage--it's universal suffrage. "Women's suffrage" has led the masses to believe that for most of american history, all men voted while women were poor little oppressed victims. Yet heiress spinsters and widows were known to vote prior to the 19th amendment. The rule of 1 vote per household, limited to actual households, not singles, would naturally eliminate most women from voting.
>>55822492
>or there's a camoflaged welfare system of pretending women are independant
Lolwut? You mean like women having a job? Take your no true Scotsman somewhere else.
>>55812373
>>55824904
>Yeah daughters are somewhat a safer bet.
Nowadays..for a long time, daughters were considered a liability. Ever wonder why it was the bride's family who offered a dowry? Inuit tribes routinely killed female newborns. In ice age europe, widows were extremely common. It was typical for men to support their wives widowed sisters.
Sure, a daughter can always reproduce, especially nowadays, that's one effect of our luxurious culture. Hardly anyone in a developed country has to worry about starving or freezing to death, even people who live in poverty. The fear of death is not as real as it once was. You'll find that in less prosperous societies, sons are still valued more than daughters. The only reason daughters have high value in China right now is because so many people aborted their daughters 20 yeara ago, so now they have a distorted m/f ratio.
Nothing. But all humans should have the same rights or else the government will be given the right to decide which humans get rights and which don't, when rights should be inherent.
If it's possible to deny women and minorities rights, then it's possible to have your rights taken away by them when they rule by majority. It's easier to get that shit out of the way in the beginning.
>>55825653
>>or there's a camoflaged welfare system of pretending women are independant
>Lolwut? You mean like women having a job?
I mean what I said.
In history, there has sometimes been easy, profitable work reserved to, for instance, widows. IIRC, it was some vikings that allowed only widows to brew beer for sale. This was explicitly so they had an easy means of supporting themselves.
In the much of the modern world, we have this:
- you can't take the sex of applicants into consideration when hiring or setting salaries, no matter what the statistics say about the long term costs and benefits of hiring women
- if you don't hire enough women into safe, comfortable, and high-paying jobs, this will be taken as proof of discrimination, so you have to discriminate in favor of women to prove you're not discriminating
- if the pay is too low in safe, comfortable jobs that women want, you have to pay them more than market value to prove you're not discriminating
- when a woman you've hired gets pregnant, you have to carry on paying her and keep her job open for her while she takes an extended leave of absence, and remember: you are not allowed to take this reality into account when deciding whether to hire women or how much to pay them
There is a huge covert welfare system for women, and the most unforgivable sin of all is to point out what it actually is.
Of course, for women to partake of this system, they have to have careers. And the system makes it much harder for men to earn high wages, so far fewer women have the traditional option of being well-supported by their husband without needing a career of their own. On top of this, the farce is kept up with make-work, so many women know their job is meaningless, but they still have to spend 40 hours per week at it. It's soul-crushing and many women are very unhappy with it, but they don't see how it results from all of this "equality" regulation.
>>55824904
>>55826368
There are many advantages to having a daughter instead. Consider the fact that divorce rates are 50% or some shit like that.
If you have a son and he divorces, you lose the right to see your grand child.
If you have a daughter and she divorces, you keep the privilege to see your grand child.
Women have way too many rights. The system is biased against men these times.
>>55824654
>It makes no sense that women would just have equally effective brains at much lower cost.
It doesn't, but it does make sense that they function differently with no inherent superiority to one purpose over another.
>You think women survived and raised children alone in the wilderness?
No I think they had the ability to if the need arose, that women could survive without men if necessary. In a tribe there doesn't need to be that many women dedicated to taking care of children, it doesn't need to be 1:1 of women to children. The other women would simply scavenge, or hunt small game.
>>55828098
>it does make sense that they function differently with no inherent superiority to one purpose over another.
Sure, if you want to declare that childcare is of equal importance to leading the tribe, I won't object. Just don't expect me to think you're sane if you try to imply that this means we should invite babysitters to have an equal role in leadership.
It's not that women don't matter, or are less important in some abstract way. It's that they're different and, with rare exceptions, unfit for the roles in society that tradition and common sense tell us are roles for men.
Literally nothing.
>>55811390
All of those existed before women had rights.
>>55820667
What the fuck is that. Thats insane. Who would do that. At least with the knife game theres a chance no one is going to get stabbed. This is 100% someone will get stabbed.
>>55815230
Thats a stupid question. You knownhe doesn't.
>>55828909
Sure, they existed. But they weren't accessible for the average person, carried much greater risk, and offered far less variety. The state of casual sex and porn prior to the sexual revolution and now aren't comparable at all so your point is moot.
>>55827884
>Consider the fact that divorce rates are 50% or some shit like that.
Drops to under 15% if your daughter and son in law have a bachelor's degree in my country.
>If you have a son and he divorces, you lose the right to see your grand child.
In practice most divorces don't end with either spouse or their families being denied visitation though.
