I'm seeing this shit spammed all over my news feed, /pol/, how do I respond?
They cherry picked a quote, you can too
>>55804564
With the next verse
>innocent
I imagine the Muslim definition of "innocent" is pretty fluid.
Quote the next verse.
Non Muslims aren't innocent.
>>55804564
like this
>>55804664
underrated post.
>>55804630
>>55804664
which is?
>>55804630
This
>isis wants to commit terrorism to plunge the world into Muslims vs Everybody
>the left wing is rightly trying to prevent that
>hurrr durr /pol/ what is happening
That's not a real verse in the Qur'an, or at least, it's heavily edited. Actual verse 5:32:
"Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors."
So not only was it meant for Jews not muslims, it allows you to slay people who "corrupt the land/spread mischief", which obviously gives quite a lot of room for interpretation.
>>55804564
That's not the right qoute
>Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.
http://quran.com/5/32
What translation in is that? I haven't seen it expressed that way.
>>55804564
innocent human being by their definitions are just muslims
>>55804564
why dont you use their own arguments?
>it´s quoted out of context!
>You cant take it literally!
>There is another meaning behind this
>A meaning not projectable by other language
>The translation is wrong in itself
>Read the next verse! Its clear then what is meant!
>>55804564
Islam is the only religion that systematically builds whole international armies of hundreds of thousands of terrorists who kill thousands of people. No other religion does that.
>>55804787
5:33
.. Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,
>>55804564
Quran 5:33
>Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,
On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.
also anyone who remembers the end of Schindlers list would know this
>(the inscription on the ring) is hebrew from the Talmud, it says whoever saves one life saves the world entire
>>55804564
Thats being imposed to the childrens of israel in the book.
5:32
Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.
The next one goes:
5:33
Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,
Qur'an (5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."
Qur'an (5:80) - "You will see many of them befriending those who disbelieve; certainly evil is that which their souls have sent before for them, that Allah became displeased with them and in chastisement shall they abide."
Quran 5:33
This is the recompense of those who fight against God and His Messenger, and hasten about the earth, to do corruption there: they shall be slaughtered, or crucified, or their hands and feet shall alternately be struck off; or they shall be banished from the land. That is a degradation for them in this world; and in the world to come awaits them a mighty chastisement,
>>55804821
>isis wants to commit terrorism to plunge the world into Muslims vs Everybody
what dont you understand that IT IS muslims vs everybody?
If the non-believers dont convert kill them. its islam 101
whats not to understand?
>>55804564
It's the truth
>>55804883
This.
Everyone who knows about Islam, has to convert or else is a disbeliever, who can never be innocent.
They are engaged in jihad.
It's their religious duty to push islam on everyone, violently if necessary.
>>55805015
Lies.
>>55805002
We can't confuse statements made out of political necessity and genuine sentiment. It is impossible to tell how they truly feel about this subject.
>>55804564
Because they are obviously blue pilled libs.Say how the Crusades and the inquisition never happened because of Thou Shall Not Kill.
>>55804564
>define "innocent"
>>55804564
Literally read the surrounding verses and it all makes sense retard. Any religion, all you have to do to discredit it is read its own holy texts.
>>55805153
The people who did the Crusades weren't real Christians.
>>55805002
>western muslims publicly denounce violence to save their own asses from persecution
>other sects of islam oppose the violent one to save their own asses from persecution
>muslims still infest western nations and demand special treatment
>large groups of militant muslims of all sects still exist
Wow you sure convinced us.
>>55804564
They have a narrower definition of "innocent" than you might expect, and are quicker to justify killing someone who is not "innocent" such as an adulterer.
I hate muslims like the next sane person, but i've yet to see anyone refute what is said in >>55805119 . How do you counter the image?
>>55805119
Those info graphics don't explain shit because they're basically implying that some verses in the Koran are now irrelevant, can be ignored, and had an expiration date.
But this is impossible because no part of the Koran should be ignored.
Get your theocratic ass out of this earth.
>Those who commit terrorism are not true Muslims.
How do you refute this?
>>55804564
Take this, I took it from other anon and it's pretty useful. An actual quote from Qur'an, 5:32 and 5:33.
Infidels aren't innocent people
>>55805287
I guess you would yield those, and would have to find all the other quotes that are not taken out of context
>>55804564
where is "peaceful" muslims, there is also terrorists
>>55805262
Woah that's a pretty fucking rare flag right there m80.
>>55804564
To Muslims Kafir are not innocent. Any non-Muslim is a Kafir with Christians and Jews specifically being infidels.
>>55804564
The only innocent humand being for islam is an islamist. Islam literally means "submission". Anyone who believes the "islam is peaceful" shit just gets lied on.
>>55805292
Abrogation white nigger. Just like Muslims used to pray to Jerusalem but not anymore.
>>55805287
Because even those supposedly benign verses provide sufficient justification for violence against western nations. That should be our chief concern.
>>55805469
Just passing through (US citizen)
>>55805431
Dat sum rare flag? Good shit
>>55804564
Tell them that Muslims do not view infidels as "innocent" and thus the entire argument is moot. It's only talking about innocent Muslims.
>>55805287
See >>55805292
Verses in the Koran don't have an expiration date.
They have to be incorporated in some way. If you're talking to a muslim and he brings that shit upl, ask him if you can ignore these verses from now on, or if they are still relevant somehow and if so how. Watch him squirm.
>>55804901
Presently. Or are we going to just neglect the history of the crusades, inquisition and witch hunts?
>>55805197
They would argue that you aren't a "real" Christian. Support gay marriage? Not a creationist? Etc etc.
>>55805287
Look at what religionfpeace has to say related to the first verse of the pic(And kill them wherever you find them...)
"The verse prior to this (190) refers to "fighting for the cause of Allah those who fight you" leading some to believe that the entire passage refers to a defensive war in which Muslims are defending their homes and families. The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, however, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries. In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did). Verse 190 thus means to fight those who offer resistance to Allah's rule (ie. Muslim conquest). "
>>55805522
You dumb fuck.
Those verses are all later verses so nothing abrogates them.
>>55804727
>using actual Israeli propaganda images
>ever
>>55804901
>lumping Hezbollah in with those other groups.
Hezbollah was a response to Israeli invasion. They're an Arab equivalent to the wolverines from red dawn. If any nation invaded ours I'd expect my fellow countrymen to take the call to arms and organize militia groups to fight it just as the second amendment says is needed.
Also four of those groups were fostered by the west as privateer proxy forces. The real question is what attacks against the west were simply blowback or allowed and or even assisted to happen. This doesn't make the radicals doing the killing less scum but it is a symptom of a much bigger issue.
>>55804942
This is the correct way.
Both calls out the image for lying and demonstrates that Islam is only "muh religion of Peace" if and only if it is towards other Muslims and even then it depends on how extreme the interpretation of the verse goes which could conceivably mean you could justly kill just about anyone
>>55805599
I am referring to current threats. Threats that are not current need no solution. Threats that are current do. Big difference on a practical level.
I swear people are dumb. Trying to sell the quran and islam as a peacful religion is the most retarded thing ever.
>>55804564
The real quote says something along the lines of "don't kill people except for legal reasons". I'm assuming that what they mean by legal reasons refers to sharia law, and not modern western civil codes. Have fun with this one. http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=5&verse=32
>>55805119
Greek here.
The stuff about how Byzantium attacked them first is a fucking lie. It is recorded in no Byzantine sources and Byzantium had just been fighting a long and exhaustive war against Sassanid Persia, they had no stomach for another one.
>>55804630
Include the entirety of verse 5:32 as well since the context is a message to the Childreb of Israel (Jews) in regards to their actions towards muslims.
>>55805367
Tell them true muslims live in their sandboxes and have been killing each other over petty religious hate for centuries even before the west started fucking with them.
They're the ones who aren't "true" muslims.
>>55805609
Thank you for sharing this
>>55804564
This
>>55805590
As well as the fact that terrorists tend to not be theologians, and most Muslims just leave the interpretation of their religion up to whomever is their head clergyman due to how one of the fundamental values of the religion is submission before power. As a result, Muslims are more susceptible to being indoctrinated as terrorists than other religions because almost no other religion has such a strong emphasis on submission to power.
>>55805119
This picture is deceiving as fuck, because it does not take into account the definitions of islam. Stop being so gullible. What ISIS does is a legitimate interpretation of islam.
>Fight against those who fight you.
Who is you? A muslim? The community of islam? A fight can also be between western and islamic values, which is certainly the case.
>if they cease fighting
Which is only the case in dar al islam, when everyone is has converted to islam. Every other case, islam is fighting with every other religion.
>initiated the fight against you?
Again, end goal of islam is conversion of every single person on the planet. Fighting against someone, does not have to be physical. If I am a peaceful activist who shows muhammad on a picture, I have to be executed.
>if they incline towards peace, incline towards peace as well
What sort of retarded rhethoric is this? Meaningless wishy washy words.
>those who you meet in battle
Again, dar al islam and dar al harb. When is it a battle? What is asymmetric warfare? What is critical thought?
>until the war lays down its burdens
Islam is eternally at war, as can be seen throughout history.
Overall islam is a religion, which makes people easy to manipulate and use as pawns. At war since Muhammad came to earth, backwards and unreformable.
>>55804564
they dont consider non-muslims to be innocent, I dont get why people dont realize this
>>55805119
Worthless infographic disproves nothing.
Terms like "oppressor" and "innocent" are wide open for interpretation.
The main prophet of Islam was a warlord who had unarmed prisoners and other non-combatants executed.
Compare that to Christianity - in which Jesus is a fucking pacifist hippy who is completely against violence.
It's no fucking surprise that millions of Muslims around the world believe that their religion calls for violence against infidels. War and violence are at the very core of their religion.
>>55805002
There are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world. If they were serious about standing up to extremeism then ISIS would be gone by next week.
They are running out of arguments
kek
>>55805367
By going full ham on them talking about how nobody actually lives in Scotland until they get flustered and go look up No True Scotsman.
>>55804564
Islam has no place in the West.
>>55805119
>unless they're oppressors
Ta da this can be applied to just about anyone and now it's OK to kill them
Example of all the journalist who criticise Islam being killed. This is justified because their criticism is "oppression".
Every other passage deals with the exact same.standard
>>55805811
>>55805609
>>55805596
>>55805534
Thank you for answers guys.
and yet still, tell this to anyone else and you'll reinforce their belief that muslims are innocent peaceful and that you yourself are the direct problem. Most likely even the biggest terrorist on the planet.
A shame really. Is it even possible to win at this point?
You should probably point out that the Quran explicitly states that non-Muslims aren't innocent. For every one passage saying "be kind to your neighbor" or "protect the innocents" (which is taken out of context because 99% of the time it is referring to other Muslims), there are ten passages saying to behead non believers and make war with them
Here:
5 32
Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.
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Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.
5:33
Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,
Be sure to cite it for them. http://quran.com/5/32
>>55805690
Doesn't matter if the threat is current or not, religions will always spawn extremists so long as they continue to exist. Much like politicians will always find a reason to go to war.
Their holy texts are irrelevant as they're all subject to whoever interprets it. And because there is no wrong or right interpretation it breeds destruction.
"organizing means dilution and results in persecution"- Dying Fetus
>>55805599
>muh Crusades
The Crusades were a military backlash to hundreds of years of Islamic aggression. Islamic raiders constantly plundered coastal cities, taking thousands of slaves. Constantinople was on the verge of collapse (and was the only thing standing between Europe and Islam) and Spain was conquered
>Inquisition
Again, this was a response Islamic atrocities. After the Christians reconquered Spain, they made it very clear: convert, or get out. They had to make sure the converts were genuine, and they had their ways of finding that out. Fun fact: the reason Spanish food has so much pork in it is because it was a good way or rooting out camel fuckers
>Witch hunts
Completely irrelevant to the discussion. The witch hunts were civil trials perpetrated by Christians against other Christians.
>>55805929
This false dichotomy that one side dindu nuffin either way needs to end
We need to stop attacking the ME and using terrorist proxy forces and Arabs need to stop their bullshit as well.
>>55804610
>They cherry picked a quote, you can too
This tbqh f-am.
>>55804564
>Becoming friends with retards and subscribing to retard pages.
Stop being such a fucking retard anon.
>>55804821
>>isis wants to commit terrorism to plunge the world into Muslims vs Everybody
Implying we don't want that too, fuck sandniggers
>>55804564
explain this to me:
http://corpus dot quran dot com slash translation.jsp?chapter=2&verse=191
>Slay them wherever you may catch them and expel them from the place from which they expelled you. The sin of disbelief in God is greater than committing murder. Do not fight them in the vicinity of the Sacred Mosque in Mecca unless they start to fight. Then slay them for it is the recompense that the disbelievers deserve.
>muh 5:33
I'm pretty sure citing 5:33 is becoming a hot new meme.
There's literally nothing wrong with anything it says.
What is so awful about 'it's OK to hurt people that wage war against you' you bunch of beta Kekolds?
The Bible is full of shit advocating the same.
you dont, just wait till more leftist normies get blown the fck out. Remember, 99% of victims now were leftist for sure whos were supporting niggers flow.
>>55805929
Yes, but you have to explain to people that the Koran promotes a theocratic order based on divine law.
You can't win by saying "muslims are bad".
The violent verse in the Koran are mostly applicable to muslims in so far as they are a political unite (unified under a caliph). Muhammad said those thing while being the political leader of the muslims, and this is the broader, over aching context of those verses.
>>55806106
My point is religion is bad. I don't care whether or not who was attacked first. Who was defending themselves. Who was innocent.
There are better reasons to massacre people than in the name of imaginary gods.
>>55804821
>isis wants to commit terrorism to plunge the world into Muslims vs Everybody
>isis
>Muslims vs Everybody
Your prophet was the one that wanted this, nearly 1500 years ago, just like war never changes, islam doesn't either.
And you are just an enabler by not fully opposing this ideology.
>>55804564
Wait until you see the muslims definition of "innocent".
>>55805599
HAHAHAHAHA
The difference being war versus shooting patrons at a concert you fucking faggot
In what state do you reside. I'm gonna come talk to you.
>>55806444
There's nothing wrong with threatening to kill people who display an image of Mohammed? You have to read between the lines when they write "wage war" and look at their behavior in the real world.
lots not use their book any more to prove this.
Have some news and Pictures.
http://in.reuters.com/article/2015/02/04/mideast-crisis-children-idINKBN0L828E20150204
http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/ISIS-enforces-Ramadan-fast-by-crucifying-two-children-406876
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-crucifies-children-for-not-fasting-during-ramadan-in-syria-10338215.html
>>55804901
>religion
you mean ideology.. cause that what it is.
>>55804564
Say that an infidel is never innocent.
>>55806659
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>>55805823
Also the term 'terrorism' is wide open for interpretation.
>>55806444
>What is so awful about 'it's OK to hurt people that wage war against you'
1. The war can be waged against Allah, and not just muslims
2. Spreading mischief in the land is also punishable with crucifixion
3. Who is supposed to do the cutting of hand and feet? Is it just any muslims standing on the street? Is it muslims under a caliphate? Is physically attacking muslim the only way to wage war against Allah and his prophet? Can you wage war against the prophet since he's dead? If ISIS considers itself a caliphate under attack, how are they not justified to kill the citizens of the democracies responsible for attacking them?
5:33 is problematic as fuck. Islam makes no sense outside of a caliphate.
>>55806444
A religion of peace would say something along the lines of "turn the other cheek". Islam is a warmongering doctrine.
>>55804564
but in their opinion isla-goyim are non human
>>55805002
CAIR is affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood.
>>55805783
RARE FLAG
>>55804564
Only male islamic belivers count as humans in islam... So this is actually true!
>>55804564
Tho things:
This video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btvKerhKK4Q
and image related
>>55806624
You clearly wouldn't be able to construct a coherent argument anyway.
This is their war. They are against everyone who don't agree with their interpretation of Koran. There is no difference. War to those involved for everyone else, extremism/radicalism/terrorism.
>>55806444
>The Bible is full of shit advocating the same.
Who the fuck cares about the bible? I don't see extremists christians blowing themselves up all the time. The religion has been reformed and will most likely die out in the coming centuries.
>>55805823
>Completely against violence
>Beat up Jews with ropes
>combing through various versions of their holy book to converse with them
you dimwits, sand niggers have actually convinced you to READ their book and fill your head with their knowledge
you are being converted
>>55805367
Who decides what a true Muslim is? ISIS thinks they decide, you think you decide. Why are you more right than 50k Isis radicals?
>>55805119
8.57
So if you, [O Muhammad], gain dominance over them in war, disperse by [means of] them those behind them that perhaps they will be reminded.
8.58
If you [have reason to] fear from a people betrayal, throw [their treaty] back to them, [putting you] on equal terms. Indeed, Allah does not like traitors.
8.59
And let not those who disbelieve think they will escape. Indeed, they will not cause failure [to Allah].
8.60
And prepare against them whatever you are able of power and of steeds of war by which you may terrify the enemy of Allah and your enemy and others besides them whom you do not know [but] whom Allah knows. And whatever you spend in the cause of Allah will be fully repaid to you, and you will not be wronged.
8.61
And if they incline to peace, then incline to it [also] and rely upon Allah. Indeed, it is He who is the Hearing, the Knowing.
8.62
But if they intend to deceive you - then sufficient for you is Allah. It is He who supported you with His help and with the believers
8.63
And brought together their hearts. If you had spent all that is in the earth, you could not have brought their hearts together; but Allah brought them together. Indeed, He is Exalted in Might and Wise.
>>55807218
>converted
If anything, it reaffirms us. Islam is evil since it's inception, it's there for everyone to see.
>>55807334
>gain dominance
>if they MIGHT betray, then don't make treaty
>they won't escape because i'm allah
>just fight them if they fight you, you'll be repaid and stuff
>if they want peace give them peace
and here is where it...goes wrong...
>but if they intend to deceive you - then sufficient for you is allah
he just completely lets go of the point...he just goes on and starts talking about how great allah is instead of actually saying what you should do if they try to deceive you
also
inclining to peace pretty much means making a treaty, but if you continuously argue that they might betray you then you can continuously refuse that treaty and attack them saying they want to deceive you, so this whole verse is utter bullshit.
Not only is no actual solution given to what should happen when "the enemy" were to betray you, but it's completely arguable that "the enemy" is going to betray you anyways and that you thus should continue your attack as long as you say that they don't actually incline to peace but want to backstab you...this verse is utter bullshit.
>>55804564
tell them to stop victimizing the "peaceful muslims" and focus on the true victims of the massacre and their friends and families
>>55804564
>innocents doesn't include non muslims
It's actually from the Talmud, "He who saves one life saves the world entire." A Jew thing, not a Muslim thing.
t. I watched Schindlers List.
>>55804564
>Innocent human being
Infidels dont fall under that category
Hey if one wants to become muslim .. where would he start? Im asking for a friend obviously.
>>55805367
>those with penises are not true women
>>55807814
Take a vacation to Sweden?
>>55807347
We all know it's evil right from the getgo, we shouldn't have to immerse ourselves in their gruff desert gutterspeak to understand the deeper meaning of their evil.
According to the Quran
human being = Islamic male
women = Islamic women
infidels = the rest of mankind
>>55807604
An infidel is only someone who doesn't believe in god. Christians aren't infidels.
Most muslims show disdain for jihadists by calling them "takfiri", literlly "one who calls the other an apostate".
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>>55806751
Or you could actually do some research...learn your sources...instead of reluying on fuckin memes for 99% of your factual sources.....
It doesnt fuckin say that in the quran...this quote is not in the quran...there is no need to counter it with anything other than "thats not in the quran, have you not read it?"
Internet at your fuckin fingertips and you cant source shit...
>>55807331
this
it's a complete no true scotsman fallacy
>>55804564
Islam's highest authority, Al Azhar, has condemned ISIS as heretics.
http://www.jeuneafrique.com/279070/politique/egypte-le-grand-imam-de-la-mosquee-al-azhar-condamne-des-attaques-odieuses-a-paris/
Respond by saying, go Muslim brothers- instead of supporting ISIS as we've done in the past, we'll begin to attack them with you.
>>55804564
>saves an innocent human being
Mo obviously didn't mean that the filthy kuffar was an innocent human being.
How is this hard for apologists to understand?
>>55804564
read about abrogation in islam
basically the old verses in koran are replaced by the new ones, so if in the beginning it says about peace and in the end it says about killing all infidels, muslim should listen to the latter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXBgqa-xQwY
listen to this #1 explains abrogation doctrice better than me
The Qu'ran's definition of innocent is that who follows Islam. The book says its wrong to mill your fellow Muslim. You can do whatever the fuck you want with non muslims
They don't believe that we are "innocent" at all. To them we are infidels and disbelievers.
>>55804564
for some reason, i have a fbook (not using my real name of course), haven't made a single post in over a year, i was so so so tempted the other day just to write "Paris.....sorry, but you get what you deserve"
>>55805783
GRENADA!!
