Was EU a good idea? Like for us for example, we entered EU in 2004.
EU is a trap used to destroy europe.
>>55800700
EU is jewish ZOG shit.
So glad to not directly be part of the EU.
It definitely is for former commie states like poland that receive the subsides without bringing anything to the table.
>>55800700
EEC was okay
the EU is Germany exercising it's power over other countries
It's time to end it
>>55800894
We gave you 2 milion young cheap workforce. How much gdp can 2 milion young people create in 10 years? More than we got?
>>55800700
That's a shitty comparison. Of course Poland would see a huge boost in the years after the fall of the Soviet Union. And it's compared to a period where there were two massive recessions.
>>55800700
For start, I don't think the EU is really the solution to our common problems.
Having said that the problem you're outlining is not one of those problems and has nothing to do with the EU.
Poland after communism was a very poor country. getting it to rise from those levels by 56% any idiot could do. 2004 Poland was in a better state, so getting the same increases is just unrealistic.
There is this thing, that when every Pole has bought a car, has a house , his TV and can go to the mediterranian to get his holiday, why would he buy a second TV or car or or or? Where should that grows in consumption and income stem from? expecting the same growth as the golden years is foolish.
We had our 'economic wonder' (Wirtschaftswunder/Golden years) until the mid 70s, when like i said, demand was just satisfied. even before the 70s growth was shrinking. same as chinas is doing now.
People on this board seem to be idiots in going ... muh EU. While it has viortually no connection to the issue.
>>55801414
>People on this board seem to be idiots
>>55801167
sorry my rants, didn't mean you, read too late
>>55800700
Romania entering EU was a mistake
The only reason we were let in was so we they can move Anti-ballistic missile closer to russia and be cannon fodders for the innevitable war with russia against eu
refugee quota too
>>55800894
that is not correct. our economies(german/Polish) are virtually conjoined at the hip - we are more or less one economy. 30% !!!! of the exports go to Germany, imports are similar. German companies have research and developement and most marketing in Germany. Production and some other services, like accountancy in Poland. Trying to devide that up and ask, who is bringing what to the table and is benefiting more is just silly. our competitors as Germans are not the Polish or the eastern europeans, it is the US, Japan and China. If Poland and us can be more competitive together as partners against those rivals, we both benefit.
Subsidees: I'm German, but a co-owner of a Polish company. We got some EU grants 3years ago (once), developed a Product from an own technology, that just didn't exist before worldwide. We now have 7 employees, that pay taxes and are paid by our earnings. It is very questionable, that a bank would've lend us the starting money. I'm not saying that subsedies are the tool that always works, but the thing is, if subsedies are a one time thing, have rigorous oversight, they can work and they do in Poland, they don't in southern Italy or maybe Romania at the same level as in Poland. Poland gets a lot of money, but they spend it on investments not raising the income of state empolyees for example. And all EU subsedies have to be matched by an equal amount of money by the receiving state.
>>55800700
Unemployment was 20% though in 2004.
>>55800700
If only we didn't let germany reunite
>>55801816
>The only reason we were let in was so we they can move Anti-ballistic missile closer to russia and be cannon fodders for the innevitable war with russia against eu
>refugee quota too
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the reasons were plentiful and yes, the pressure the US made, to take Romania in, might have been partially guided for the goal of having Romania as a buffer/front state.
The reasoning for Germany and France were very different. German citizens were very opposed to the Rumania/Bulgaria deal, but who cares what the people say. The polititians loved the idea, because our economy loves cheap labour. so they pressured our govt to embrace the idea.
Fance had a more political agenda. Romania is seen as one of the natural 'buddies' of france (language and stuff) and france is collecting countries and votes for their 'Club-Med' faction within the EU. Having one or two more countries on Frances side against Germany and the 'northern' europeans. For example - France&friends beeing more State-oriented, Germany&Co more market-oriented. You see it with the Euro-crisis. Germany wants Austerity (self reliance, less state, more market policies), France wanted state sponsored 'stimulous' (more state, EU-common-debts, polititians controling the way forward). France thought you'd be oin their side...
>>55803386
really?
how would the world be better for you then
>>55800700
it is designed to milk you of educated workers and provide Germany with a way of devaluing its exports while destroying your industry. they are then kind enough to loan you back the money you could be making yourself and toss you some subsidies every now an again.
If you leave they will tariff your goods out of the bloc.
>>55803386
you had no say in this. who are you to decide this? especially italy (Let South&North Tirol reunite, lol).
There was nothing you could've done. The Euro is actually Frances try to contain Germany via a common currency. He couldn't stop it, so he put in the reuninification contract, that we had to give up the Deutsche Mark! We had no choice in there. It failed miserably and went in the other direction. What Mittrerand didn't understand is the Rorschach saying:
None of you understand. I'm not locked up in here with you. You're locked up in here with me.
for some smaller countries, like Finland and Poland, no. It creates a strain on our economy to keep countries like Greece afloat, while we gain nothing. For countries like Germany and France it's a godsend, since it boosts their economy.
>mfw a citizens' appeal with 50k signatures just went through today
>they're going to decide if we're going to have a democratic vote on whether we should leave the EU
>mfw if we actually leave the EU
>>55800700
Problem is pretty simple: You can't simple extrapolate from the past. In reality you have no reference point.
>>55800911
>the EU is Germany exercising it's power over other countries
Exactly the opposite, the lack of power and germany playing switzerlands.
>>55800971
>We gave you 2 milion young cheap workforce.
No. Not you gave us. They would have come if you want it or not.
>>55803386
>If only we didn't let germany reunite
So italy wants to pay for greece ? Nice idea m8.
>>55803992
>None of you understand. I'm not locked up in here with you. You're locked up in here with me.
Good quote in this regard. Complete truth. I wonder what they thought to achive by combining the export nation in a common currency.
Let's ask a better question : Has being in the EU done anything positive for anyone so far?
My country was amazing before the EU, we had actually well paying jobs, things where affordable, investment was very high, we where exploding with potential everything was looking up.
The EU came, we got the euro and niggers. Now 70% of the country lives in near poverty, we have probably one of the most openly corrupt governments in power right now and nearly every second young person leaves the country the moment they can.
Everyone keeps yaping about how the NATO and US are keeping us safe bla bla etc when in reality nobody here even believes russia wants anything to do with us. We have nothing to offer then, why would they invade us? It would just be more trouble then its worth.
We got shafted so fucking hard I wish merkel gets cancer and the EU collapses. Fuck you germany you piece of shit you are stuffing everyone with niggers while screwing over the economy of other countries.
>>55800700
>hurr durr EU is so badd
>better payment
>better quality of products
>overall better economy and peoples life
Make time machine and go back to 1995 faggot, we will see if you like it more than 2015. Oh, sorry, you were probably born in 2000 you fuckin squeacker.
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>>55800700
EU of the Six was an excellent idea.
But then EU began to accept more and more country.
We ended up accepting UK and wage-leecher eastern country.
>>55803736
>Living on the other side of the globe
>Thinks he has any idea, how we work together
you don't understand. Polish and germans are both central europeans. we are not that different, if you take the language out of the equation! We don't see each other as adversaries (any more). There is a big gap in how to do things between Germany and Greece let's say, but not Poland and Germany. We mutually benefit from this partnership. The German-Polish cooperation is on the same depth as with France, but even deeper. What is the advantage for the Germans is clear.
The Polish on the other hand are a small country, slightly smaller than spain. While spain has international ties all around the world, had many years to prosper since WWII, Poland has no significant Partners worldwide (The USA use them, but it's not an equal partnership in the slightest. US says, Poland does). With beeing closely related to Germany (we're just double the size), Poland can punch way above his weight in the EU and outside. Direct investment is the highest from Germany. Poland since 1989 NEVER had a recession so far, Slowakia and Hungary did. The reason is the deep industrial partnership between our countries and some good policy decisions thhey made.
Even when they emigrate to Germany. If you're from Posen (Poznan) or Breslau(Wroclaw) it doesn't matter if you move to Warsaw or Berlin - distance is the same. The architecture is even letting you feel more home in Berlin than Warsaw. Many live here a couple of years than move back and founded a company back home. I as a German lived more than a year in Poland.
So australian, if you have something wise to say about Papua New Gunea, please tell me, they are your neighbors. Be a bit more humble, when talking about the rest of the world.
>>55804661
Bringing in Middle Eastern terrorist soldiers by the thousands was your idea, not ours. You're running the show and the show is shit. You're ruining your own countries to the point where Eastern European countries are more attractive for white people.
Also
>Fuck Eastern Europe
>Welp, Russia is in Berlin again
>>55804452
>Fuck you germany you piece of shit you are stuffing everyone with niggers
thank the eternal anglo for that the niggers flood europe. If Germany would've closed it's borders, they would have flooded to the next best gibmedats, like france. Most of the niggers that came this year were on their way already before Germany had taken any decision to open or close it's borders. they'd have come in any way. they come, becaus our watchdog Gadhaffi was taken out, same in tunesia, egypt, syria. Thank the eternal anglo for those habbenings.
That beeing said, i wouldn't mind an estonian hit-squad, taking out that meat puppet of a chancelor we have. please feel free.
Fun fact - an estonian hating on germany, while his capitol, he's so proud of was a Hansa city dominated by Germans until the 1920s. Beside Finland there is no other country with closer historical ties. Btw. pic related - she is from a lineage of famous German/Estonians.(winner of euro song contest some years ago).
>Has being in the EU done anything positive for anyone so far?
look at the ex soviet countries that are not in the EU. would you rather like to live in Moldovia, Belarus or Armenia?
>>55805238
>You're ruining your own countries
you think we have much more influence on our policy than you do? We Germans have 180.000 men under arms and we have 60.000 foreign soldiers here. Do you honestly believe, that important foreign policy is decided in our capitals? we are still under occupation. france and britain are kept in line by aother means.
>>55800700
EU is a coordinated plan to steal wealth from your country, usurp its sovereignty, and exterminate its ethnic inhabitants all in the name of Leftist ideology.
>>55804661
If you talk about Poles, feel free to deport us all. Every fucking single one Pole.
>>55800700
Shhh, you're a democracy now. Just shut up and follow.
>>55800700
EU is the cancer of Europe
The EU is an American plot to allow US corporations to suck Europe dry, all hail the neo-liberal consensus, "Job creation" and "GDP" (because it totally matters that a country creates wealth, regardless of who actually gains that wealth).
>>55800700
Poland, realize it's not the EU that caused these issues. It's the rich parasites in western society sucking up everything they can.
The EU is just what facilitates their bloodsucking.
>>55806104
nigga we literally love germans but holy fuck you are testing our patience with your stupid shit right now
kill your dumb old lady and throw all the shitskins back to the middle east, stop being kucked
Wow look at all those citations OP, ayup.
>>55804025
The appeal is not about leaving EU, it's about whether we should leave euro.
Even so, Stubb's federalist dreams would shatter. Soini has transformed from an anti-EU guy to pro-EU, and he's become a slimy yes-man for Kokoomus. I don't think they're going to take the risk and let us vote.
The energy cost increases are Russia's fault though, right?
>>55806887
agree. we will get rid of her. she won't politically survive the next year. her power base is crumbling like your apetite, when you have verileib or veripankoogid (esonian yummies) in front of you. within the next 6month they'll close the border, that's why autria and slovenia are already building fences.
the question is, how to get rid of the shitskins and niggers we have already. I hope they start joining Assad and once Syria is safe again, bribe him to not only take his people, but also those claiming to by syrian.
>>55807510
many different factors, Russia beeing one. There is also the thing that a lot of heating is still done by coal. having chinese style smogs in the winter prompted many municipalities to subsidize alternatives, force it. Landlords take the (for them) cheapest route and install electric ovens. expensive as fuck in running these things. i know elder people in krakow that cannot heat in the wintertime very much, because of this.
also they have a very unprofitable coal mining industry that has to be propped up by tax money and consumers money.
energy prices are all in all not that high compared to their neighbors. cheapest gasoline you can get within EU
>>55800700
That's just the normal diminishing returns of development.
