>Daily reminder than guns are banned in France
How does it feel living in a secure shooting range for terrorists?
Oh well enjoy your gun-control Utopia and don't say we didn't warn you.
If guns are banned in France how come the terrorists got weapons?
HON HON HON
80% of people in Britain want to repeal the handgun ban.
It won't happen, though. It doesn't fit the aims of the European project.
>>55797244
how do you think it feels shooting a man wearing an explosive jacket in the middle of a crowd
would you like to try out?
guns aren't banned in france, didn't you read anything yesterday from france bros?
>>55797459
C4 doesn't explode when shot
>>55797415
Do any major parties in Britain support guns? What's Nigel's view on them?
there literally isn't a single country in europe where guns are banned.
>>55797244
As a matter of fact France has very lax gun laws
Typical fucking idiot american
Unless people literally had guns in their hands or at their side in holsters, would guns really have helped, taking into account how quickly it happened and the subsequent confusion? You'd think the civilians would just end up shooting each other.
>>55797516
one of the terrorists at Bataclan triggered his device as soon as he got shot by the cops.
>>55797535
UKIP want to repeal the ban. They're the only ones.
>>55797535
UKIP do
Quite a lot of the Conservative party are sympathetic to gun ownership
But that's about it
>>55797545
I get around with a gun on my and 3 in my car every day. How's that for "lax"?
>>55797244
Where were all the Rambos when cinemars are getting shot up?
>>55797244
>How does it feel living in a secure shooting range for terrorists?
You tell me. Last I checked, Muslim terrorists have killed more people in the USA than in all of Europe combined.
You also have 12 Americans killed by Mexican illegals every day, which means three times as many Americans die every month at the hands of immigrants as died in the worst terrorist attack in French history.
>>55797459
>don't shoot him
This is why people make the white flag jokes...
>>55797602
Don't you see? It would be wonderful. Terrorist starts shooting? He shoots and possibly kills one person, everyone else in the room shoots and him, terrorist attack is over.
Body count, excluding terrorist: 0-1
>>55797622
Shouldve used a bigger gun.
>>55797699
>Doesn't feel safe without a gun when leaving the house
Nice country you live in.
>>55797336
Same place ISIS gets their weapons.
>>55797699
You are talking about carrying.
I'm talking about firearms acquisition
>>55797739
Which is why we're building a wall. Baby steps anon.
>>55797831
it's the price of true freedom
why are poltards cancer
muslims go apeshit in france and you retards still cant capitalize on the pain because your "redpill" is full retard
citizens with guns haven't stopped any of the massacres here, and as a result we have the most
guns aren't going to stop the 7 bombs that killed the vast majority of people
use your gun to kill yourself
>>55797539
you're not allowed to have a gun for self-defense purposes, at least in finland
so they're semi-banned
>>55797739
>shooting range
How many Americans have Muslims shot? Cause last time they tried to shoot us up with assault rifles they didn't even land a single kill.
>>55797878
>Freedom
>Terror
Pick one.
>>55797739
Dont be so upset limey. Im sure your first born Muhammad will get a great education in one of the Islamic schools your tax dollars are going to.
>>55797831
I'd rather walk around knowing I have a chance against a would-be mugger.
If you suck their dicks and beg them not to hurt you then they'll just target you again. If you shoot them, they won't.
>>55797244
>Americans have guns yet get kek'd hard by their Government everyday
Come on. I see you fatties posting about "muh guns" everyday. Where's your resistance?
>>55797244
> shooting suicide terrorists
ok
>>55797602
Less victims at worst.
Also this typical ignorant thought experiment, as though there were not plenty of cases where a moron tries to hold up a gas station containing an off-duty or non-uniformed but armed police officer.
More importantly, would this have been attempted in the first place in a gun-friendly zone? When you examine crime in the US, violent gun crimes overwhelmingly happen in Democrat machine controlled gun-free zones. Areas known for hunting are consistently safe.
>>55797960
just neutralize the attacker with a bike wheel
Friendly reminder of what happens with terrorist on a free guns zone:
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/05/04/us/garland-mohammed-drawing-contest-shooting/
>>55797244
>thinking this is an argument
dont mix up quality and quantity my friend
america has like 1 shooting every fucking week
>>55797831
You too Nigel.
>>55797923
>Reminder
You mean to tell me that the first white nations being invaded by "refugees" are those nations where the civilians don't have rights to firearms, or in some cases, any sort of weapon?
Wow, I'm fucking shocked.
>>55798022
Not allowed bikes on the tube, Finnbro.
>>55797831
In fact, you don't deserve to be British. Fuck off to Ireland.
>>55797831
Your posturing isn't going to save your life when you're staring down the barrel of Ahmed's rifle.
>>55797994
>More importantly, would this have been attempted in the first place in a gun-friendly zone?
Do americans pack heat to justin bieber concerts?
>>55798022
Confiscated last week.
>>55798039
>The expert on mass shootings steps in to lecture us.
Keep talking Anders, this gets funnier and funnier.
>>55798133
The security guards do.
>>55798085
Japs killed 6 American in Oregon during WWII using fireballoons
The point stands, but the image is technically wrong
>>55797459
Probably feel a little recoil. I don't really think about it.
>>55797831
Europe isn't much better anymore.
>>55798175
quality vs quantity
>>55797790
>>55797994
Fair enough, no doubt it would work in a smaller setting with less people like a petrol station or convenience store. But in a huge stadium or concert hall full of people? idk I just think it would create confusion, what with a single plain clothed muslim with a gun and 999 other civilians with guns.
>>55798217
doesn't matter. six is a statistical zero for these purposes (meme warfare) I think I'm going to reduce Switzerland to zero as well, although they did get bombed in WW2 by the bad goys, and lost some dozens lives in the bombing.
>>55798267
Compared to you and France, America seems like such a safe country, I wonder why we get such an undeserved bad rep Anders?
>>55798085
>FUCKING ZERO
did you get a pearl harbor flashback while making that image
>>55798366
Aren't you kinda forgetting about Pearl Harbor though?
>>55798447
aslong your not in the movie, school or cities im sure you are pretty safe burger
quality vs quantity
>>55797244
>France has already thousands of muslims and sleeper cells
>Give people guns
>France becomes Syria 2.0
Nope
>>55798462
>>55798488
>Hawaii.
>US state in 1941
You could call Hawaii a colonial possession in 1941, but it was not a state.
>>55798296
>this
Omfg could you imagine?
"ALLAHU ACKBAR!"
"DID SOMEONE JUST YELL ALLAHU ACKBAR?"
>guy asking the QUESTION gets shot
>he shoots back at the other guy who is not the terrorist
>terrorist shoots other people
>bullets go through the guy asking the question and hit people behind
>the entire stadium is shooting each other
>the terrorist says fuck it and tells his mates to pull the straps and remotes to detonate the vest and explosives
>terrorists kill 100 people
>the panicked gun toting stadium kills 1000 people and injures 5607
Top kek
Guns aren't banned in France...
>>55798488
The entire might of the Japanese, which still depended on absolute surprise?
>>55798227
lol good answer. isn't that a line from a movie?
>>55798709
>that which flows from the mind of libtards.
>>55798785
Do average police officers carry them yet?
>guns are banned in france
LOL
France has concealed carry. It's regulated -- you cannot carry a handgun stronger than a .22, and you have strict licensing to go through.
Whoever claimed that guns are banned in France is pulling a fast one over on you.
>>55797831
>Doesn't feel safe without a gun when leaving the house
>Nice country you live in.
EUROFAGS: Save this image! Memorize it. Let it burn into your brain, so I don't have to BTFO of you next time you try to justify being victims.
>>55798880
>if i simply say everyone who kills is crazy my plan might actually work!
>the next picture is the possibility of the women also being a crazy person
>>55797831
Fuck off
I'm Asian immigrant I've lived in US, Europe and now I'm settling down in Canada
Among all countries I love US the best and I can say I feel safest in US
The culture is just so strong that it bonds all the folks together. I makes me feel like I want to contribute to good side of America even if I'm foreigner
Unlike in Europe everyone minds their own bussiness and are gay as fuck. Europeans are women compared to Americans.
the idea of freedom is just so strong that it attracts me since young even I didn't born in US. It makes me feel home even I wasn't raised here
>oh no! That guy has a bomb, let's shoot him!
>oh no! A plane just crashed into this building, let's shoot it!
>>55798902
We have several type of "police".
There is "town police" who are those fining vehicles, etc... and for them it is decided by the mayor (though 80% of the town police do carry).
For "national police" (investigation, anticriminality brigade etc...) they always carry a gun, sometimes they carry bigger weapons (like for operations and shit). GIPN is the elite intervention squad of the police and they're heavily armed.
In the countryside, gendarmerie is acting as police, they are military and carry weapons. GIGN, the elite gendarmes (the elite intervention force against criminal for hostage situation and all) are of course heavilly armed too.
>It's a European gun laws thread
>>55798976
>France has concealed carry
No. Never happened. STFU.
>>55799178
That's recent though that the town police carry? You say fining vehicles but I assume you mean more as well too? Like for domestic assaults, robberies, etc?
I just remember from Charlie hebdo that cop running away as he was gunned down...
>>55797598
beta looser as well
>>55797884
Why lie to yourself?
Your post is very un-American. You should kill yourself, to be honest. You don't have to use a scary gun though faggot. Can't wait til people like you are executed.
>>55798545
You got it, anders. You're so smart.
>>55799357
Yeah, town police are armed because they could be the first able to intervene on a crime to stop it. Or they could be assaulted by people for doing their job.
>>55799229
You can carry and transport a weapon, for going to hunt or do competitive shooting. The only limitation is that it must not be usable directly (means it must not be loaded, and it must be in a transportation case).
The problem in France are legitimate defence laws. We can get guns legally quite easilly but we can't use them in a situation of self defence no matter what. If a robber is in your house and point a gun at you, you are supposed to let him shoot you or you'll be the one going to jail.
>>55799663
I'm well aware of the laws, thank you. And this is not concealed carry in any form whatsoever.
>>55797244
>>55797244
>i dont understand diffrent logic
>in america
"you take away the guns, the criminals will still have guns!"
>in europe
"you give guns, more criminals will get guns"
theres a diffrence people
just because america was fucked from the start, dose not mean we have to get in the same logic trap
>>55799357
>I just remember from Charlie hebdo that cop running away as he was gunned down...
I think he took a few shots at the terrorists (one of them on the video shouts "you tried to kill me" before executing the cop who says "it's ok chief").
>>55799707
I never said it was concealed carry. In conceal carry the weapon can be loaded and usable directly.
>>55799865
Don't see why you replied to me then.
>>55799865
>I think he took a few shots at the terrorists (one of them on the video shouts "you tried to kill me" before executing the cop who says "it's ok chief").
Only had rubber bullets...
US murder rate 4.7
France murder rate 1.0
US murder rate 4.7
France murder rate 1.0
US murder rate 4.7
France murder rate 1.0
US murder rate 4.7
France murder rate 1.0
US murder rate 4.7
France murder rate 1.0
US murder rate 4.7
France murder rate 1.0
How does it feel living in a secure shooting range for niggers?
Oh well enjoy your guns and don't say we didn't warn you
PS: enjoy your 100,00 syrian refugees heading to USA with those guns
>https://twitter.com/potus/status/648543139196743680
>We're also increasing the number of Syrian and other refugees we admit to the U.S. to 100,000 per year for the next two year
>>55799164
Kek. This isn't even an argument.
>oh no! That guy has a bomb, let's do nothing and be victims!
>oh no! A plane just crashed into this building, let's do nothing and be victims!
>>55800031
I just wanted to add to the discussion.
>rubber bullets
Oh well, I wasn't aware of that.
>>55800240
Don't even try, friend.
The European man has been cucKed out of any sense of self-preservation, responsibility and dignity.
>>55800218
That's from niggers killing eachother and then being wrongly counted with humans. We're discussing armed jawas killing unarmed humans.
>>55797469
Automatic weapons are banned.
Semi-automatic are restricted
hand guns are restricted.
>>55799178
What is the BNI (I think it was)?
There was a big armoured vehicle leading the siege on the theater and it had "BNI" (I think) written on the side.
>>55797244
Having guns wouldn't have thwarted the terrorist attack because it happened inside theater which would be by default a gun-free zone even in the US of A.
>>55797244
conceled handguns I'm ok with
But when I hear people saying that they own 3 or 4 guns and they're all shotguns/ARs etc it's just fucking un, "ITS JUST FOR PROTECTION BRO"
fuck that, owning a handgun and going for the limbs is the only option these days
>>55800402
so black on white crime isn't a thing anymore in USA?
REKT
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>>55797244
Didn't the French invent parkour? They should just do that and learn how to throw knives and throwing spikes or some shit. French ninjas. Yeah.
>>55800608
problem solved gg
>>55797884
>citizens with guns haven't stopped any of the massacres here
The massacres are almost always perpetrated in gun-free zones.
>>55800450
I don't know anything about BNI. It was probably other letters. Any pic of the armoured vehicle ?
The gun rights argument is a strawman.
attackers can always get illegal guns, just like drug users can get illegal drugs.
However, legal availability of gun always increases mortality, its a statistical certainty that has nothing to do with terrorism or even crime.
just like more automobiles==more car deaths, more guns==more gun deaths.
This is social science and literally irrelevant to any of the issues around terrorism
>>55799716
>i dont understand diffrent logic
What logic?
>in america
>"you take away the guns, the criminals will still have guns!"
True everywhere. That's why they're called criminals.
>in europe
>"you give guns, more criminals will get guns"
They didn't seem to have trouble in Paris.
>theres a diffrence people
>just because america was fucked from the start, dose not mean we have to get in the same logic trap
America is the only country where citizens aren't automatically victims. If being cabable of defending myself is considered being fucked than what would that make you?
>>55800031
>rubber bullets
Damn, I assume that's what most of these town police have?
I hope that's no longer the case?
Because taking a gun to a concert is going to help very much nice thinking.
And if you'd know how many radical muslim youth which born in Europe live you would think having guns around would cause more problems.
>>55801057
It is the decision of the mayor. Paris is a socialist shithole. There are towns where town police has lethal weapons, like Beziers. It hurt the feeling of the socialists when the mayor put these posters all around town.
>>55801026
yeah you sure have the ability to fuck other people over aswell :^)
>not understanding everyone has the potential for being a criminal
>>55797336
If terrorists get weapons with guns being banned, why ban guns anyway?
>>55801135
>Because taking a gun to a concert is going to help very much nice thinking.
They could probably have helped taking down the terrorists before they execute dozens of people.
>And if you'd know how many radical muslim youth which born in Europe live you would think having guns around would cause more problems.
Protip : muslim ghettos are full of war weapons already. They seized a rocket launcher in a ghetto not so long ago. They have assault rifle and grenades. Criminals don't give a shit about laws on guns, because they're fucking criminals and have their own underground networks to get weapons.
>>55797459
Well first I assume pride that you saved people, then nervousness trying to think of what you will say on tv.
>>55797459
>how do you think it feels shooting a man wearing an explosive jacket in the middle of a crowd
If guns were allowed to be carried, they wouldn't have even been able to enter the concert hall, they would have been shot before.
>>55798088
It's no coincidence that these are the nicest places to live, cody
>>55800950
>This is social science and literally irrelevant to any of the issues around terrorism
Self preservation is irrelevant to terrorism issues?
K.
>>55797602
OK dipshit. How about if, at the very least, the doormen, bouncers, and managers had guns? Do you think someone is more or less likely to target a venue the has a couple dozen armed security personnel?
The victim mentality that so many of you supposed men have is fucking disgusting.
>>55799106
It's natural for peasants from designated shitting countries to find that alluring.
Can you imagine a protest where the people are armed?
Do you realize how dangerous that is for democracy?
>>55801242
LOL. You have the potential of being a faggot also.
>>55797658
>>55797415
You can still have a gun if you're not a working-class nonce.
Hunts still happen. Recreational shooting is still allowed.
>>55801710
nice argument burger
im sure thinking in black and white will help you out in life
>>55801848
>people who could actually use guns the most cannot have them.
Makes perfect sense!
>>55801704
Yes, every protest in the United States ends in a bloodbath
>>55801947
Because working-class nonces would sooner shoot each other than anything else. Literally nigger tier.
Israelis routinely shoot terrorists dead. An armed society can protect itself.
>>55801509
if your going to use that logic
why not go even simpler and still be wrong?
"giving guns to everyone will give muslims in your country the ability to kill"
"giving society more guns will make them kill eachother faster" hurr
Americans have this strange idea that niggers are the problem for their crime culture but they don't understand that muslims, not guns, are the problem for ours.
We don't live on the other side of the world from mecca, we are connected by land. Well, mainland europe is. In this scenario the ragheads don't even need to smuggle weapons; they just buy and steal them locally and carry on as normal.
Protip: the reason this specific type of attack doesn't happen often in america is due to lack of muslims in america. Imagining some amerifats with revolvers trying to fight drugged up jihadists with no fear of death is amusing but fruitless.
>>55797336
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2014/10/21/u-s-accidentally-delivered-weapons-to-the-islamic-state-by-airdrop-militants-allege/
The French produce some of the best cannons and tanks in history so I wouldn't want to get on their bad side eh.
>>55802114
there are many things wrong with his arguments from all sides
but if he wants the /pol/ logic im sure the
> Americans have this strange idea that niggers are the problem for their crime culture but they don't understand that muslims, not guns, are the problem for ours.
willl help him realise
>>55802143
>Us provides AKs or Makarovs
>Doesn't know these weapons can easily be obtained from black markets
C U C K
>>55802114
1. Receive gun
2. Kill hostile muslim
What's the issue here, exactly?
>>55797244
Tell me American, how did your guns prevent people from driving two air planes into your skyscrapers?
>>55802109
>kill eachother faster
Get prepared to line up and get killed like castrated cattle then, you fucking faggot.
>>55802292
How did your tolerance prevent 8 muslims from casually killing 120+ french?
>>55802193
>>55801242
>>55802109
None of these make any sense.
Learn English then try again?
ITT: Retards with no training or experience with firearms sticking to their delusions.
So line up to get shot like the people at the concert in Paris?
That's the answer?
Muslim scum calmly changing mags and firing into a crowd with NOBODY returning fire?
They killed over a hundred people ffs.
>>55800569
>owning a handgun and going for the limbs is the only option these days
Silence nogunz
If you're in such danger that you need to use a firearm, you need to stop the threat immediately. You dont do that by aiming at flailing limbs, you do it by putting rounds into center mass.
>don't kill him just shoot him in the leg lol
What is the femoral artery
You fucking idiot.
>>55802292
Planes are gun free zones.
>>55802419
It didn't, and your guns law only makes shooting rampages easier.
>>55802419
>still a worse kill count per muslim than one american autist with an AR
lol
>>55802523
>shooting rampages
>statistically significant
Pick one
>>55802551
>French citizens about as adept at defending themselves as 6 year olds
lmao
>>55802635
so why are people making a big deal of the paris attack
>>55802635
>its OK these mass shootings are nothing compared to how much murder goes on in this country anyway
>>55802635
>Shooting rampages in Europe
>statistically significant
See I can dodge the issue and avoid the point as well, how about you pull the numbers on gun related deaths while you are at it?
>>55797884
Actually, plenty of mass shootings have been stopped by CCW holders. They just didn't get very far.
Stop being retarded for a moment and actually educate yourself, there are many resources in google that prove you wrong.
EU citizens are dependent on their governments that's why they don't believe in protecting themselves. The government will do it for them.
>>55802683
Because shootouts aren't normal in France
>>55802455
I have experience with firearms. Civilians at the theatre or restaurant will never compete with equally (likely more heavily) armed suicidal maniacs. And in reacting like this you ignore all of the avoidable deaths across the country.
>>55802523
>Laws that absolutely ensure that the victims will be unarmed somehow don't make shootings easier for the terrorists
You should come on down to our draw Muhammed contests and see just how easy our laws make them for yourself Jamal.
Or would you have rather those two towel heads just been able to casually stroll into there and start magdumping into a screaming crowd?
>>55802523
Indeed, a spree shooter's wet dream is a gun free zone. Fucking liberals
>>55802635
Did that left part of the image leave out niggers killing each other because I heard that was quite a common death cause for African-Americans
>>55797459
Uh. Yes, very much so.
>>55802800
I thought the drawing contest attack was repelled by police officers, not armed civilians?
>>55802722
You're right, the Paris attack wasn't statistically significant.
However it WAS incredibly politically significant.
>>55797631
It's fucked up to say britbong but once you guys start having active shooters like France maybe you'll have a chance at getting that shit repealed and carrying a gun to protect yourself
>>55802861
A spree shooter's wet dream is made easier when he can just go down the street and buy a rifle legally instead of finding the black market.
>>55802798
Have you even watched any of the footage coming out of the middle east wars for the last 10 years? None of those chuckle fucks are even aiming. You're kidding yourself if you think 20 somethings desperate enough to suicide bomb someone for their ideology is an ELITE OPERATOR
>>55802989
Then people shoot back, God you're stupid.
>>55803045
Still didn't stop them from doing it
>>55801935
Your fine with being defenseless when anyone can be a criminal? Nice reasoning.
>>55799357
>I just remember from Charlie hebdo that cop running away as he was gunned down...
Are you literally retarded?
It's crazy how these surrender jokes literally modified reality in your damaged fucking brain
Look the video again, the cop never "runs away".
He was exchanging gunfire with the terrorists (despite having a mere handgun vs two AKs), got hit several times, fell on the ground and was finished by the terrorist
Fucking americunt inventing his own surrender version of rerality
>>55802989
And if he goes to the gun shop down the street and either has a criminal record or a history of untreated mental instability on file then he will be denied.
The ringleader of the Paris attacks was a known and listed radical extremist. Under the American gun control system, he wouldn't be able to purchase a gun legally.
>>55802722
>gun related deaths
Are those worse than other kinds of death?
>>55802989
>implying someone ready amd willing to carry out a terrorist attack gives half of a shit about going to the "black market." If you know where you can buy drugs, you know where to get guns.
Fuck thier imams probably set up the buy for them.
>>55798785
they aren't but they cant be obtained for the sole purpose of self defense either.
>>55803126
What protection do you have to stop you from getting run over? It's a lot more likely than a madman trying to kill/rob you.
>>55803140
Assuming that he has a record
>>55802957
lol, a terror attack would just lead to even tighter regulations.
Rule number 1 with Western governments is that they never give back the power that they've taken.
>>55803112
Gun control didn't stop them either.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8ce_1447076932
>>55803112
The question is, if CCW were allowed in Paris, would the terrorists have been able to freely kill people until they ran out of ammunitoin, or would maybe only 10 or 20 people have been killed instead of 110?
>>55797459
like chewing 5 gum?
If guns are banned in France, then how was there a mass shooting? Something doesn't add up here.
>>55803237
>a lot more likely
It is highly unlikely my house is going to burn down.
I guess I should get rid of these smoke detectors and extinguishers.
>>55803315
Yeah, if only a pro Call of Duty player like you was there with his Hi-Point to take down the trained terrorists with AKs.
>>55797415
AHAHAHAHHAHA SOURCE PLZ TOPPUS KEKUS
>>55803004
They are not elite operators and I didn't claim it, only that rational civilians possess self-preservation while these do not, which is a massive tactical advantage.
>>55803395
It surely worked out great this way.
>>55803315
Sense you obviously don't seem to know how shock and fear can freeze a person I'm going to say 110.
>>55803112
So you're very much okay with a suicidal raghead walking around for 10 minutes killing people, where-as a CCW holder had a chance at any point in time to end the situation? You guys truly are the biggest idiots if you somehow think this is acceptable.
>>55803140
Under the american system, there are 400 million guns in the country so finding one illegally is incredibly trivial. Not to mention the loopholes such as independent sellers not even requiring documents.
>>55797244
>>Daily reminder than
>Daily reminder than\
>than
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>>55801026
>They didn't seem to have trouble in Paris.
But they do
That's why we have a shooting ever year as opposed to every week
>>55803552
If there were armed police checkpoints every 50 meters this wouldn't have happened either.
>>55797244
It feels fine. Your cops kill more people every year than terrorists do and your murder rate is off the chain.
Last time I checked you also have an autist R9K beta pissed they couldn't get laid shooting the place up every other day so I'll take about a terrorist attack a year, seems like a good deal.
>>55803237
My cat-like reflexes.
>>55802114
I'm not sure I understand.
>>55803552
>So you're very much okay with a suicidal raghead walking around for 10 minutes killing people
I never said or made such implications you bucket of lard. All I'm saying is that your guns laws has done jack shit to lessen gun related deaths or public shoot outs, might have caused lesser numbers of deaths because of CCW but it hasn't caused it to happen any less.
How many shoot out have you had this year alone?
>>55803631
>your murder rate is off the chain.
Yeah we're a whopping 46th in the world.
>>55797931
I'm sure your 'firstborn' -using feudal terminology in support of 'muh freedoms' top kek- Cleotus will find daddies gun and accidentally shoot your second born. Then the cops will turn up and shoot you. All by accident. I mean its fine to have guns, look at Norway and the Swiss etc. Its just not fine to have guns if you are a retarded burgerfat.
I get why you guys shoot stuff though, if I lived with you guys, I'd want to kill you all too.
>>55803772
If you're being robbed at knifepoint a gun isn't going to help at all, if you even go to unholster it you'll have 10 holes in your chest.
>>55803772
Remove the underdeveloped shit holes and you're pretty much top. I'm glad you have less murders than Honduras though really well done guys well played.
>>55803516
Don't project your weakness onto others eurofriend
>>55803737
>gun related deaths
There it is again
>>55803947
>remove all the countries ahead of you and your on top
LMAO great logic
>>55803854
And if you didn't have a gun you'd have 40 holes in your chest.
>>55802883
>However it WAS incredibly politically significant.
So are your weekly shootings
Why do you think it because your main debate in the upcoming campaign?
>>55803950
And don't project your strengths onto others
>>55797244
how many gus stoped the 9/11 ?
>>55804035
He wouldn't stab at all if I didn't have a gun, he'd just take my money and leave.
>>55803854
>implying you dont immediately shoot a nigger approaching you
>>55804105
No guns allowed on a plane chappie
What I'm taking from this is, "Paris attacks happened because there were no armed citizens on the street". That isn't my opinion. Why would you need a gun if you have an armed/semi-armed police force, a standing army, and police with training in counter-terrorism? The victims had no idea there was going to be bombings or mass shootings in Paris that night. Why bother bringing a gun? You obese Amerifags talk about your freedom of gun ownership, the right to bear arms, yet in 2013 alone there was 11,203 deaths due to homicide with a firearm in America. We have police forces, armies, and counter-terrorism units for a reason. We have people to protect us and we don't fear invasion, we don't need to form militias to fight an invader. Yet America, which spends the largest amount on military in the World, needs to have armed citizens as well? I suppose it makes sense, seeing as all empires fall.
>>55804132
What if he wanted to fuck you in the asshole as well?
>>55803451
>rational civilians possess self-preservation
With what means? This thread says different.
>>55803947
>>55803854
God just kill yourselves you state cock-sucking Islamic projectile anal receptacles. You are the reason I am ashamed to be British. Because when the rest of the world thinks of Britain, they think of your kind and not mine.
>>55803737
Yet these shoot outs almost always happen in gun free zones where there are no CCW holders to stop the madmen.
A CCW holder can (and it has been demonstrated) easily reduce the severity a mass shooting.
If you truly believe you can make some kind of law to stop humans from killing humans, something that has never happened in the entire history of mankind, then I've definitely got a few pristine bridges to sale you.
>>55804188
When seconds matter, the police are minutes away.
>>55804211
t. 14 year old that thinks America is the greatest country in the world
>>55804157
how is he going to carry all of the bullets required on the way to the grocery store?
>>55804105
gun free zone
>>55804132
>just let Muhammad take your things and rape you and he wont kill you
No thanks I'll take a trip to the hospital knowing Jamal is taking a trip to the morgue penniless.
>>55804105
planes are gun free zones otherwise the durkas would have failed
>>55804035
Nice picture, you do realize America has more rapes than the UK by quite a substantial amount right?
>Remove the people ahead of you
yes, when looking at developed world policy I like to compare with the rest of the developed world, not failed states.
No, you totally aren't clutching at straws when you point to the fact that your murder rate is slightly better than a bunch of failed states but the worst in the developed world.
Sure, you did win the special Olympics. But its still the special Olympics.
>>55804271
You won't even have the time to unholster your gun if you're being robbed, how don't you get that?
>>55802223
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2876735/How-plumber-s-truck-Texas-ended-hands-Islamic-fighters-lines-Syria.html
https:// www.change.org/p/david-cameron-uk-government-arm-the-citizens-of-the-uk-to-defend-themselves-against-terrorist-attacks?source_location=petitions_share_skip
>>55804328
I understand guns scare you brits so how long exactly do you think it takes to unholster a gun?
>>55804211
Nice argument, I like the actual points you make. Expletives really drive home your in depth analysis
>>55804230
>happen in gun free zones where there are no CCW holders to stop the madmen
Didn't you had a shooting at a military base last year?
And yes it can avoid the numbers but not how often it happens, as demonstrated by you.
>>55804277
The durkas didn't have guns either, they had knifes.
>>55804158
>>55804271
>>55804277
So basically if we get the same gunlaws as you, terrorist attack will remain deadly as terrorists will choose gunfree zones, but we also will gain your weekly school shootings and average nigger gunfight?
Hmmmmmmm
>>55804382
How long does it take for the robber to stab you in the chest when he sees you going for the gun?
This isn't the wild west, you're not a cowboy.
>>55804405
>Didn't you had a shooting at a military base last year?
Yeah. Soldiers not allowed to carry on base.
>>55804262
I think it's debatable whether the US is the best, but the UK certainly is not.
I've watched my rights eroded unrelentingly to appease those who do not think, only feel. I have voted against this perpetual regression time and time again, to no avail.
I've kept at it in the vain hope that people would realise the madness they were creating. They have not. I have been an utter fool.
>>55804328
>person takes my stuff
>pull out gun as he walks away
>rob him
>>55804405
correction, they had two shootings in a military base last year.
>>55804312
>you do realize America has more rapes than the UK
You do realize that the UK has the narrowest definition of rape in the civilised world right?
>>55804515
>get arrested for robbery
do you even europe
>>55797622
So he pressed fuse button as he felt bullets hitting him/coming his way.
>>55804486
What rights are you even talking about? Fedora tax?
>>55801239
What do the posters say?
>>55804391
I see no expletives in what I wrote.
>>55804406
Really you should just form an orderly queue and wait for your turn to be killed
Opinions like yours are a problem that will solve itself eventually
>>55804608
"Now town police has a new friend". Beziers mayor is based as fuck.
>>55804616
I think your vape smoke is in your eyes m8
>>55797884
>citizens with guns haven't stopped any of the massacres here
They were not present at shooting scenes, because gun free zones.
>>55797244
this entire argument for removing gun control is retarded as fuck.
even if you had a bunch of sad-sack losers going around patrolling the streets the attacker always has the advantage of surprise, you never know when and where they will strike and this idea that everyone is going to be carrying around a gun and actively waiting for some shit to go down is delusional as fuck.
>>55804616
"cock sucking Islamic anal receptacles" ...you don't even have enough reading comprehension to read your own words. Oh my.
>>55804601
Let's start with RIPA and the handgun ban, to name but two bad laws.
>>55804429
>We need to ban seat belts or people will run at 300 km/h and crash their cars.
The "victim" should have the right to react when she thinks it's better.
>>55804808
So you're angry you can't be a private detective anymore?
>>55804544
oh yeh, by what metric would that be?
I fucking love you, you don't even play ball you just move the goal posts around and bicker that the game is rigged
>citizens with guns haven't stopped any of the massacres
Except that's not true
It's just against the popular narrative, so it doesn't get shilled
http://controversialtimes.com/issues/constitutional-rights/12-times-mass-shootings-were-stopped-by-good-guys-with-guns/
>>55804406
It's the responsibility of those who declare a gun free zone to protect the people in it.
Everywhere else the people are allowed to protect themselves
>>55804759
Says the Singaporean who needs permission from the government to take a shit.
>>55804469
Thats really fucking stupid, so in the US a man can carry a hidden gun in some places but a soldier is not allowed to openly carry on a military base?
How are you this backwards in the USA?
>>55804517
Worse then I thought
>>55804668
Kek nice. Does Paris police still not have guns with lethal bullets after the hebdo shooting?
>>55804905
I'm angry I can't defend myself if needed.
I'm angry that I have no privacy any more.
>>55803395
>trained terrorist
Kek.
I can train every single day, too.
I GUARANTEE you that this 13 year old girl is better trained than they were:
https://youtu.be/wZE-EDGw2vo
>>55804359
Poorly written, jewish flag, "UK army", entirely wrong website, genuinely one of the worst e-petitions I have seen.
>>55804429
Leave it to the British idiots to think that any person with half a brain wouldn't move or reposition their body to avoid being stabbed in the vital parts.
Nope. Humans stand perfectly straight and still. They don't shield with their offhand while their main hand goes for the gun.
But I guess since you Brits are conditioned at birth to not resist and instead be a faggot c.uck I guess I can see you idiots doing that.
>>55804914
Pointing out facts that you are ignorant about is not moving goalposts, though I could understand how you'd see it that way.
"Unlike other jurisdictions, such as Australia, much of the US, and many Western countries, 'rape' in the UK is not a gender neutral offense: it is an offense that can only be committed by a male against a person (female or male). Also the UK has not to date followed the trend in many Western countries of classifying acts other than penetration with a penis (e.g. penetration with an object, finger) as rape."
Therefore, a country such as the US will naturally report a higher per capita rate of a crime called rape than the UK.
Apples and oranges m80
>Some Amerifats are like retarded apes
>>55804978
How are Americans this retarded? You actually genuinely think your country has the right attitude to fire arms? Seriously and honestly? Niggers shoot you and each other all day every day and your schools are fucking warzones with metal detectors at the door.
Wives are routinely shot by their degenerate boyfriends (literally every single day)
muh second amendment
... and yet none of you form a militia even when your elections are rigged and you are spied upon by the NSA
You have been getting fucked in the ass for so long that you think this is what sex is supposed to be like
>>55804759
Soft targets. What makes people into one. Pro tip: unarmed-ness.
>>55804924
Everytime I see a list like this it includes things such as "a bumbling retard drops three clips, jams his gun then eventually shoots himself, and an armed civilian saw him do it"
>>55805027
and the right are the ones trying to increase the powers of GCHQ, Tories and Kippers make up the right.
>>55804971
i hate my government too whats your point?
>>55805163
The UK has an equal offence of rape for women which is included in the same statistics.
>>55805202
Top post, friend! People should not even bother attempting to challenge the status quo! Just vote for red or blue or piss, and go back to work!
>>55805211
>implying the faggot parading a gun around wouldn't be your first target
>>55797884
You wouldn't here about the ones stopped because they don't fucking happen.
That's kind of the point.
>>55804977
It's not me.
It's politicians.
I think it is a Clinton era law iirc.
>>55805027
So you're angry because you're paranoid as fuck and can't defend yourself against the boogieman?
>>55805030
Sure friend, just train every day just incase you get attacked by a terrorist, nevermind the fact you live in rural Kansas and have never seen a black.
>>55805077
I honestly can't tell if you're baiting at this point.
>yuropeepees legit want nothing but their limp dicks to defend themselves with
y'all are a lost cause fa'am
>>55805163
No source. Actually my city is the male rape capital of the UK and people are arrested and jailed for it. So your definition is fundamentally wrong.
>>55805202
>You actually genuinely think your country has the right attitude to fire arms?
No they are not. Right attitude to firearms is allow them to citizens and deny to niggers and Muslims First world got this backwards kek.
>>55805330
>what is concealed carry
>what is everyone carry a gun
>>55805329
You my friend, are correct. Thanks felt your post, but they won't listen anyway, they're too busy fighting illegal wars for oil and sending thousands of young men to their deaths.
>>55805202
The vast majority of violence in the US is blacks shooting other blacks.
I don't think you understand how segregated it is here.
I live in Manhattan, and literally the only minorities I see are the bellhops and cab drivers
>>55805384
I suppose you're right, it's not like people get beheaded in the street here.
Could a small group of trained fighters with automatic weapons posing as refugees wipe out a whole small town?
Thank fuck I have the rights to protect myself.
>>55805500
Someone drowned in a paddling pool once, better bring out the scuba gear.
>>55805202
>not thinking police should be armed with lethal bullets.
Like I just don't fucking get you guys sometimes.
>>55805384
>omg ur bait lil
So you're going to sit there and tell me that you're going to sit perfectly still and square when some dindu comes to stab you.
I guess this explains why that one brit got his head cut off in your country.
>>55797981
As opposed to having them detonate it without being shot?
Alright, imagine a huge fire in your home. Now, its obvious youre not getting out alive if you don't stop the fire. Its surrounded your room, you're on a high floor, etc, whatever. You have a fire extinguisher with you but its weak/old and you give it maybe a 25% chance of success.
By your logic it would make more sense to not use the extinguisher and let the fire burn you alive.
>>55805573
Yeah, passively carrying a firearm is the equivalent of constantly wearing a burdensome and very visible outfit. Bravo lefty! You've done it again!
>>55805573
People should be free to make mistakes. We can't wrap everyone in cotton wool, and we shouldn't try. We certainly shouldn't throw the bath out with the dead baby.
>>55805573
A man was eaten by a shark ten years ago, now everyone has the right to carry a harpoon with them at all times.
>>55805499
This. Avoid nogs and you are fine in USA
>>55805621
I'm sure your hard work studying Youtube ninja videos will pay off when you get stabbed eventually and you can relocate internal organs at will.
>>55805612
UK police aren't even armed AND YET when was the last time a UK police officer died in the line of duty? Go looking for it, its a long fucking time ago.
how about the ole' USA? in 2014? 126 officers killed in the line of duty. Great work guys.
>>55805746
And if you avoid them here you'll be fine aswell.
I don't see how this is a gun control issue
>>55805656
Planes crash often so whenever I go onto one I bring my parachute.
>>55802050
I bet you're real fun at parties.
Lefty utopia:
>accosted by a hoodie wearer with a weapon
>naturally I am defenceless, as carrying a weapon is illegal
>he demands money
>"just give him it, it's not worth getting hurt"
>he demands to rape my girlfriend
>"just let him do it, it's not worth getting killed"
>he stabs my girlfriend
>"just let him do it, it's not worth you getting killed too"
>he stabs me and runs off anyway
>>55805746
yeh, or school. Because, that's a thing that happens in America, you get shot in school. But not I'm sure that doesn't make you country degenerate. When your childrens lives are threatened at school. That is literally Africa tier.
>>55805781
>hurr durr what r niggers??!??!
>>55801639
And people in your Islamic state get executed for possesing alchohol fuck off ahmed
>>55805903
You realize pretty much all Major leftists were against gun control.... like Karl Marx for example. You are talking about liberals.
>>55805447
>what is a drunk person
>what is an emotionally unstable person
>americans arguing about american gun laws on the basis of a terrorist attack in france
your guns didn't prevent achmed from landing those planes in the twin towers either, terrorists make do with what they have I guess
>>55805384
Memorize this.
>>55805985
Modern leftism is a different beast.
>>55805996
>person that should not be on the streets
>>55806003
If the other passengers had been armed, the attacks would never have succeeded.
>>55797244
I'm sorry amirbro but i don't care what state your in, no ones going allow you to bring your glock into a concert hall
The cafe, probably; not sure how helpful it would have been though. Not much you can do against an IED
>>55805781
2 years ago ain't that long ago to be honest family
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_police_officers_killed_in_the_line_of_duty
>>55805756
You are truly retarded. It doesn't take any kind of ninja skill to avoid getting stabbed in some place important, just common fucking sense. You Brits have demonstatibly proven today that you guys are all babies that can't even fight properly.
>>55805781
>when was the last time a UK police officer died in the line of duty
About a month ago.
>>55806003
You can't carry a gun inside an airplane.
Europeans are born subjects.
They should not have access to firearms.
>>55805917
Literally being shot in school is a fucking meme. I swear. Shootings in schools are not fucking common, and if they do happen not many people are even wounded because the kid can't aim for shit.
>>55806153
Again no sane person is ever going to let the general public open carry on mass transportation
>>55798217
I'm pretty sure they didn't kill anyone when they attacked oregon
>>55805903
>accosted by a hoodie wearer with a weapon
>naturally I am armed, as carrying a weapon is legal
>he demands money
>"just give him it, it's not worth getting hurt"
>he demands to rape my girlfriend
>"just let him do it, it's not worth getting killed"
>he starts walking away
>pull out firearm and start shooting him
>good thing i was armed, he almost killed me!
or
>he demands money
>go to pull out my gun from the holster
>he sees
>he stabs me in the chest and takes everything
>>55805213
>making stuff up
Why?
>>55806031
>>55806031
>I don't carry scuba gear to fish. I carry scuba gear to prevent drowning.
> I don't carry scuba gear because I'm paranoid. I carry scuba gear because there are unsecured paddling pools in the world.
>I don't carry scuba gear because I hate water. I carry scuba gear because I understand the limitations of my lungs
>I don't carry scuba gear because I'm angry. I carry scuba gear so I don't have to spend the rest of my life hating myself for failing to be prepared when I fall in a paddling pool.
>I don't carry scuba gear because I feel inadequate. I carry scuba gear because if I don't and I'm facing three padding pools, I am inadequate.
>I don't carry scuba gear because I love it. I carry scuba gear because I love life and the people who make it meaningful to me.
>>55797244
You were saying?
>>55806293
Have you been robbed at knifepoint previously?
>>55806190
You're delusional as fuck m8
>>55806153
So we should freely allow people to take guns into planes is what you're saying?
My point is, people who make it the point of their lifes to kill others probably are going to succeed one way or another, I'm sure a country where guns laws are strict so weapons are hard to come by, or a country where weapons can be bought on ebay but you might run into armed civillians, both require their share of creativity but ultimately the arguing over whether or not american gun laws are okay as they are based on an attack in france is super silly, there are way too many factors at play here
>>55806031
Just give up on them. Europe is brainwashed into the "Utopia"mindset. Even as arabs are raping their women and killing their countrymen. They will argue against gun rights. Even as Mohamad cuts their head off. They will cry for imigrant rights.
>FUCK EM
If they didnt learn after WW2. Then they will never learn. In 20years it will be a hot bed for islamists.
>>55806360
I saw a police instructional video that said you need at least 15 feet of space to defend yourself against an opponent with a knife when you have a holstered firearm.
>>55806428
At least we're not a minority in our own country, look at the demographics of your major cities, it's pathetic.
>>55806432
Curiously your response did not contain an answer to my question.
>>55797602
Just because they have guns doesn't mean they just have to start blasting. Even if someone ended up not using it, wouldn't you rather have the option available to protect yourself and those around you as opposed to being completely and utterly at their "mercy"?
>>55806500
>London
>Birmingham
Im sick of you pussy europeans. You fuckn deserve to be over run by islamists. You were warned!!! You didnt listen. Now you can live with your decisions.
>>55806370
Lol whatever dude. Sure hope nothing bad happens to you either way, but you might want to consider some basic self defense classes if you can't even wrap your head around how to avoid getting stabbed in a vital place when you have 4 perfectly well functioning extremities and a brain to use them. It's not ninja magic.
>>55805202
UK dropping some truth
Too bad the only answers will be fallacy "muh guns, uk is a fucking kekhole"
>>55806413
>So we should freely allow people to take guns into planes is what you're saying?
Yes, we should. Or at least, it should be up to the airline, not the government.
>>55797739
>terrorists want to attack France
>civilians don't have guns
>use guns
>terrorists want to attack America
>Americans have guns
>use planes
I think the logical answer here is for every American to have their own fighter jet
>>55806566
I saw in an anime once a character that could move his organs whereever he wanted, you should train that too.
>>55806576
If you don't like guns then don't carry one.
>>55806566
Well shit nigga, why would you need a gun if you're a true shinobi
>>55806549
Both are 60%~, about the same as America's total white % desu
>>55806428
Unfortunately you are right, the first reaction to an epidemic of child rape is for people to blame themselves and come out with the useless #NotAllMuslims diversion. We are doomed, when people finally wake up and realise their peoples future is more important than appearing tolerant it will be too late. It also doesnt help that the only openly intolerent people are complete morons like Britain First, who poison the debate with their own insanity and further push people towards supporting their own destruction.
>>55806777
What would you do after the child rape epidemic? Round up all Muslims and put them in camps?
>>55806576
At least arm your fucking police. That's fucking horrible hearing that the officer killed in the hebdo attack was shooting rubber bullets at an ask wielding terrorist.
Does hearing of this trigger French people now:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_Culwell_Center_attack
>>55806761
London was below 60% in 2011, down from 71% in 2001. It is even lower now.
>>55806566
We don't attack sovereign nations based on a suspicion they have WMDs.
If anyone deserves to be overrun, it's your mongrel society with your obese trigger happy rednecks and gun-toting gangs.
>>55801848
are you allowed to bring your fudd gun to a rock concert to defend yourself?
>>55806586
That's one airline I'm never flying with tell you that much. I certainly trust the enforced-by-government weapon check at the airport (they make me take off my shoes, you KNOW they're legit...!) more than I do random guys who vow to protect me by arming themselves when they get into a plane. To fight off Achmad who can just freely pack his uzi into his handluggage.
>>55798978
It's always funny to see that bullshit argument
>Hurr durr, only cowards need guns
I bet I could find a few people in Paris who wish that they were "paranoid and afraid" enough to have a gun while over 100 people were being gunned down and blown up.
>>55806856
Talk about it, prevent something like the situations across many UK cities from happening again. Give tough sentences and stop caring about offending a vocal minority.
>>55807078
>talk about it
>p-please stop raping our children please mr muslim
>>55803772
WOW ! So you mean you have less fire-arms related death than Honduras, Swaziland and Columbia !
And we tought that U.S had a problem with fire-arms i guess we were all wrong !
>>55807078
Send them to the Pitcairn Islands.
>>55806576
Where is the truth exactly?
>>55807050
Yeah, all my 106 pound wife needs is some bravery, and I am sure she will be able to magically fend off someone twice her size with no effort at all.
>>55805202
>seriously guys! The bad guys can get guns, so lets take them away from honest folk! How can you not lay down and just die when being attacked? You make me sick! We are so much more progressive over here, thank god the state prevented me from buying forks until i was 18, i dont want to know what kind of wacko i would have turned out to be!
>>55807152
We're better than this. Rape injuries heal, murder doesn't! :^)
>>55807132
>fire-arms related deaths
Is being killed by a bullet really that much worse than being killed by a knife
Look up murder statistics not "firearm related deaths" which are generally 50% suicides anyway
>>55807004
>implying that my shotguns or hunting rifles are "fudd guns"
>implying that I want to live in a country where people carry guns to theatres and sports venues
Ask abraham linkek how that turns out
>>55807256
Yeah, and I mean, I totally value some sex offender scum bag criminals life more than my wife's safety.
Ban guns now. Why should weak people have any kind of chance to defend themselves?
It's 2015.
>>55806929
>implying government = society
Read a history book if you want a reason for why we own guns.
Go fuck yourself.
>>55807078
That's literally what is happening to be fair lad
>>55807392
It sure was a tragedy that he got shot.
>>55807412
You need a gun because Britain could try to tax you again? Ok
You're not allowed to carry guns in a concert hall in the USA either. Or in a movie theater. Or anywhere with lots of potential victims.
The muslims are waging a birth rate jihad here, they are specifically targeting young europeans. In Germany 2/3 of all germans are age 45+, they just need to kill off the younger germans and 10 years from now muslims will have irreversibly taken over Germany.
Seriously, it's civil war/crusade now or never. You have to be prepared to go up against a SJW government that will use muslim terrorists as soldiers against you.
>>55807412
I know why you own guns Amerifag, so you could raise an army in case you were attacked after your revoltion. But you don't need to raise an army anymore because you spend billions on one of the most elite armed forces in the world.
>>55805355
>>55802727
>>55800841
>>55799362
Pretty much all of this, even after a major city in Europe got attacked by the guns that they are supposed to be so safe from since average citizens "can't" have them.
When will you people learn that just because average citizens "can't" have something, it doesn't mean criminals won't get a hold of them? This goes for basically any type of prohibition. History and the present has proven this.
>>55806639
>being this autistic
Welp. We know why the UK is the kuck capital of the world now.
Better bin that knife before you hurt yourself.
>>55797336
Albania.
>>55807548
But now they need protection against their armed forces just incase they all decide to kill their friends and family!
>>55807622
Please link me the anime you learned contorting your body to dodge knife attacks from please.
>>55807617
>some criminals can get something
>we should make it a guarantee that all criminals can get it
