who is more evil?
dont try and justify their brutality, just state who is worse and why.
bonus points; why are 7 million starved Ukrainian peasants pushed the back of history while the 6 million murdered Jews take the center stage?
Good goy it was 600000000000000
>>55793892
why are you defending someone who hated slavs?
>>55793630
>why are 7 million starved Ukrainian peasants pushed the back of history
Nazi propaganda.
>>55793939
not slavs, communists
>>55793939
I see him as the best leader the world has seen, no one can compete with him. I don't care if he hated us, I still admire him and his ideology.
Pic related, Hitler with our Prime Minister I think.
Stalin.
Less beneficial things to attribute to his efforts compared to Hitler.
>>55793630
Stalin was a ruthless psycopath beyond reason.
I don't even believe "evil" exists but I guess Stalin.
>>55794022
>and confirmed by every modern scholar.
>>55794054
Hitler's face right there looks like he was stuck on one of those really boring Saturday outings where you're forced to go with your family to some relative's house when you really just wanted to go and play with your friends and your mum makes you put on a smile for grandma.
>>55794095
What? The starvation? Yes, no one deny that. But the figures are made by the nazi and repeated by their watchdogs.
Kulak get what they deserve. I pee on them
>>55793630
Neither were evil.
>>55794054
Prince Pavle Karadjordjevic*
Are you surprise of it?
Russian still does not admit the fact of the Holodomor: "There was no such maximum 3-4 million died, so what. The more you died there - the less ukrainians we should send to Siberia"
>>55794064
>>55794076
Well, even though he killes a shitton of people, he forces a rapid industrialization in the urss. Without this industrialization hitler would have steamrolles the urss killing everyone in his path
>>55793630
yeah definitely Stalin. he had millions of russian men and women murdered and sent to die in the Gulag. not to mention the massive casualties in WW2 when stalin was in charge. His methods of simply using russians as cannon fodder until the germans ran out of ammo/were overrun. stalin didn't give a fuck how many of his own countrymen died as long as he was the undisputed leader of the USSR
hitler simply hated Jews and Communists (communism is a jewish creation) and wanted to wipe the Jewish filth from Germany, and eventually all of Europe. you all know how cancerous and parasitic the Jew is, so you can't hate on hitler for trying to remove them.
Stalin was a lot of things, but he was rational. He had nukes eventually, and didn't use them because he knew what the response would be.
Imagine if the Third Reich got nukes
>>55794235
>Without this industrialization hitler would have steamrolles the urss killing everyone in his path
I'm sure less people would've died during Hitler's invasion than people who have died during Stalin's industrialization process.
>>55794262
>he had millions of russian men and women murdered and sent to die in the Gulag
Lies. 900,000 died in Gulag, and half during the WWII. Please stop repeating bourgeois propaganda. Check the facts before.
>>55793630
>who is more evil?
>post picture of most destructive man in history and hitler
Shouldn't you aussies fight some cassuaries?
Also for you guys who are actually really interested in a good documentation about this topic.
Adolf Hitler - The Greatest Story NEVER Told
https://archive.org/details/TGSNTGERPart2Of3
But Hitler was one of THE greatest leader of modern times. Fuck, most of the presidents and world renowned people admited it before, and after the war. He simply fucked up abit and then expected too much from the world to follow him. Should of continued working on Germany.
Then again, maybe he had no other choice.
>>55794171
oh okay, no answer then. have fun little boy.
>>55794095
>just like the holocaust
>>55793630
>Stalin
>Killed millions of his own people stealing everything they had worked for
>Hitler
>Pulled his people out of the Depression and made Germany a world superpower without the help of Jews
>Almost took on the world
>Saved Earth from being enveloped by Communism
>>55794325
I guess they just mysteriously disappeared then
>>55794336
Your number os based on nothing and came from nazi, you can't deny, it's fact.
>>55793630
The president that bombed civilian cities with nuclear bombs is the most evil.
>>55794325
nice. we are being privileged tonight with the presence of a failed historian. cite more incorrect figures oh unemployed one.
>>55794325
>t. Maurice Thorez
Communists should be summarily executed.
>>55794406
First, death of bourgeois activist, fascists and saboteurs is not a bad thing.
>>55794325
Famine 1932-33 Holodomor
Red terror 1937-38
WW2
Famine 1947
Great leader
>>55794291
Yeah, because having an army waging a war of extermination on you doesnt kill that many people
>>55794422
The Soviet Census held on January 6, 1937 was the most controversial of the censuses taken within the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The census results were destroyed and its organizers were sent to the Gulag as saboteurs because the census showed much lower population figures than anticipated.[1]
kek, yeah, we're the ones making up figures
>>55794459
What kind of freak are you?
>>55793630
hitler just fight for her people, the blood is the payment for the war
>>55794429
Your numbers are based on nothing.
I have no issue with poor jews, If you are the elite of the world and perpetuate wars, if the US breaks out into war , we're coming for you.
>>55794325
Why are communists even worse than stormfags? I used to be pretty leftists, but Jesus you guys make even less sense that the far right does
>>55794524
I think Robespierre has been reincarnated and is now shitposting on 4chan
Stalin was so comically evil, it makes for funny anecdotes.
Take the 1937 soviet census for instance. It was the first major census conducted in the USSR since the mid 1920s. Well, the census showed that there the USSR's population was "short" of several million people, a consequence of the mass famines caused by collectivization.
Stalin's reaction?
He had all the statisticians who participated in the census shot or deported to the gulag, and banned censuses. Not a single census was taken in the soviet union until the 1980s.
Stalin, at leat Hitler cared about his own people. I've read some personal anecdotes about Stalin and he seemed like an absolute psychopath.
>>55794325
and the Great Purge? Kolyma? You've gotta be shitting me with those figures. Russia was littered with hundreds of concentration camps back then.
>>55794544
> You're wrong because I say you are
Yep, sounds like a Communist
>>55794492
>Yeah, because having an army waging a war of extermination on you
[citation needed]
>>55794552
I am not afraid to say that the death of million of fascist/nazi warriors is a good thing. Do you think I'm a bad person for that? Do you think that nazi/fascists must not be slayed?
>>55794611
>Do you think that nazi/fascists must not be slayed?
Do you know where you're posting?
>>55794492
Did you really took that from what anon wrote?
>>55794634
Yes I know, but not everybody is a far right here.
they're both revolutionaries
>>55794611
So you are just as much of a genocidal maniac as them. This is not what the average leftist thinks. Please stop spouting bullshit memes
>>55794492
>Yeah, because having an army waging a war of extermination on you doesnt kill that many people
And yet Stalin still managed to kill more, somehow.
>>55794658
You're literally saying let's murder people who don't think like me, and yet you don't like Nazis?
Stalin was a genius though. He was the one that turned Russia into a super power.
Hitler was an excellent speaker and charismatic. That's about it.
>>55794611
>I am not afraid to say that the death of million of fascist/nazi warriors is a good thing
>>55794727
>Stalin was a genius though
Nice meme.
>>55794611
I don't think killing people who are genetically similar to you accomplishes anything. They're essentially you. They saw the same in you, and that's why they weren't gassing Frenchies, they weren't dumping you all off into shallow graves. The French declared a stupid war on Germany for a stupid reason, fell in a MONTH, a month, Frenchie. You're shit.
Now for you to pretend you have some moral highground is laughable.
I honestly regret the US bailing Britain and UK out of THEIR wars that you deserved to lose for being stupid.
And yeah, I do frown on you fags for making swords for Stalin and licking his butthole. You're a bunch of fags who believe in nothing and hate amongst your own.
>>55794727
Yes, clearly Russia was a non-existent trivial force prior to Stalin. At not one stage before the 1920s was Russia ever an influential nation
This anti stalin nonsense is pretty funny. Lets look at some facts.
Famine in Russia were not uncommon. There were constant famines. Collectivization brought an end to these famines. Except the one after WW2, there were no more famines in the USSR after that. Before, famines happened pretty much only 3-5 years. Holodomr is just some bullshit made up by Ukrainian nazis.
Gulags? Just your ordinary third world prison system, USSR before industrialization was indeed a third world country. Not to mention that most gulag deaths occured during WW2.
Stalins policies achieved in 20 years what would of previously had taken 200 years. From a backwards, undeveloped fuedal shithole into a world superpower.
>>55794036
slavs AND communists
pic related
>>55794728
That phaggot always gets my blood boiling...
>>55794812
Russia under Stalin was simultaneously a third world shithole and a superpower, same as it had been for hundreds of years, and continues to be today
>>55793630
>ukrainian
no such thing
Stalin was worse than Hitler.
Lenin and Trotsky were much worse than Stalin.
>>55794727
Germany was technologically a lot more advanced than Russia in the same timeframe.
Germany suffered the highest consequences of WW1, they were in the worst spot during the Depression, they climbed out of it a technological marvel. Their army so disciplined that they were killing Russians 50-1. They shat on Russians in each and every battle, the only reason they lost was because Russians are drones in need of a Master. They will obey willingly with their comrades gun to their back to push forward.
Germans didn't need to do that, they had raw loyalty, they didn't have to starve their people and steal their assets to create their industry.
Stalin was a shit leader who used terror as a governing hammer.
? Literacy rose to 100%, siginifcant increases in average life expectancy, free education, free medicine, unemployment eradicated, homelessnes eradicated, does this sound like a thirld world country?
>>55794701
My point is how many more would have died?
The biggest lie people still believe is that Hitler and Stalin were on opposite sides of the political spectrum:
>both enforced gun control
>both promises to deliver an utopia, get rid of the nation's enemies, being the bourgeois or racial enemies
>both were collectivists
>national socialism worker's party, sure sounds right wing in there
>both wanted and needed a centralized, extremely powerful State to do what they wanted to
Right wing totalitarianism is an oxymoron, because right wing is minimal State by definition.
>>55793630
>murdered jews
You must be new here
>>55794807
Soviet propaganda is so widespread it's hilarious. Some people honestly believe that Tsarist Russia was a shithole rife with misery and poverty and that the USSR was better.
Take this moron for instance :
>>55794812
Yeah let's look at the facts.
>Famine in Russia were not uncommon. There were constant famines
The last major famine in Imperial Russia happened in the 1880s, and cause "only" 500 000 dead. And this was in preindustrial times.
Compare this with the 3-4 million who died during the Tambov famine, the 5-6 million who died during the holodomor, and the 1-2 million who died during the 1946 famine. The USSR has a far worse track record in terms of famine than does Imperial Russia.
>there were no more famines in the USSR after that
Just chronic hunger and malnutrition.
>Gulags? Just your ordinary third world prison system,
"Ordinary"?
Under Stalin's great purge, 1000 people were executed EVERY DAY. And thousands more deported to the gulag. Around 1 man out of 5 did a stint in the gulag under Stalin.
The gulag was basically the reintroduction of mass slavery.
>Stalins policies achieved in 20 years what would of previously had taken 200 years
This is a load of horseshit. Plenty of countries had far more impressive economic growth without killing millions of its own people (Japan after the Meiji restoration, for instance).
What you niggers don't understand is that Stalin didn't accelerate Russia's growth. He hampered it.
>>55794812
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Man cmon, even 5 rubles / hour shouldn't be enough for this. Stop being a vatnik.
>>55794857
He later backtracked on this statement.
>>55794857
he never said taht you piece of shit. i bet you are that finn that constantly posting those mongolian monster after plastic surgery and also that nigger defense force who is saying that that niggers is not saying money. jesus christ, finns are trully most keked posters here. kill yourself you disgusting nigger lover.
>>55793630
Def Stalin. Our Country was occupied by both. Russians were just uncultured animals that murdered and raped. While Germans were the opposite. But if youre talking only about Hitler and Stalin as personalities then i would say Stalin - He killed more people, He didn't care about his family, for him idea was more important than any human life.
>>55794812
>Stalins policies achieved in 20 years what would of previously had taken 200 years.
Same goes for Hitler.
>>55794222
>implying dead hohols is a bad thing
>>55795130
>>55795172
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Slavic_sentiment#Fascism_and_Nazism
even stormfront admits it:
https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t258513/
Stalin did all the things he did for pragmatic reasons - starve huge chunk of soviet population so you can industrialize the country, kill number of ukrainians so russians have more power in the USSR and so on.
Hitler on the other hand killed people left and right for no reason other than muh untermensch meme.¨
They were both monsters but i am still going to say that Hitler was worse. He did trigger wall that killed millions of white europeans afterall.
The Nazi's raped and killed a shit ton of innocent Russians in tons of small towns, likewise the Russians did too in Berlin. Who attacked and did first? The Nazi's.
>>55795173
> Russians come in
> steal everything
> literally shit on the streets
> throw people out of houses and sleep in their beds, then piss in them
> steal animals for food and not give a fuck
> Germans come in
> they pay for food
> kick ball around with children, play hide and seek
> sleep in the barn or on the floor.
> people are nice to them so they decide to clean the place up with their german autism before they leave.
I wish it was just a story from one side of my family, then I could think it's bullshit. I'm sure there were different people and different incidents, but germans were usually very clean at the very least. The Germans both sides of my family had the pleasure of dealing with were like I wrote.
>>55795351
One could argue everything hitler did, he did with the best interest of the german people in mind.
Of course he fucked up royaly by loosing the war
>>55795495
That could be true, however there is no logical justification for this. Everything Stalin did, no matter how terrible, ultimately served some logical and pragmatic purpose. Solidifying the party's rule, forming the heavy industry based economy and so on.
Many of the Hitler's actions however like exterminating slavs (or jews if you buy that) did not serve any real purpose and were driven by personal beliefs with no real purpose.
>>55795444
Almost all old people tell stories the same like yours. I doubt that they all are brainwashed by 2 year German occupation occupation. But any way, what did we expect, Stalin killed majority of intelligent Russians and what left was grey mass that can easily be manipulated.
>>55793630
>bonus points; why are 7 million starved Ukrainian peasants pushed the back of history while the 6 million murdered Jews take the center stage?
Because if we started to call mass famine genocide the British would start getting a bit worried, we did some crazy shit in the 19th century.
Bengal famine in the 1850's was over 15 million people. And that wasn't even the only mass famine either, just the biggest one....
>>55794981
>Right wing totalitarianism is an oxymoron, because right wing is minimal State by definition.
Only if you change the definition of right-wing and left-wing.
Historically the left meant weak state, overthrow the traditional heirachy. Communism is an anti-state political theory, similar in end-goal to Anarchism.
the right on the other hand wishes to conserve the authority of the state to maintain the social order. They believe in a paternalistic, ordered society where the state knows best. That state is backed up by property and family.
>>55794981
Totalitarianism rejects the left-wing spectrum and trying to categorize any dictatorship is extremely hard.
I agree that right wing totalitarianism is an oxymoron, 'Conservative totalitarianism' would probably be more fitting.
>>55795952
>agree that right wing totalitarianism is an oxymoron
No it isn't.
Where the hell did this "right wing = anti-state" meme get started? Churchill is spinning in his grave when you say shit like this.
>>55795802
>Historically the left meant weak state
>Communism is an anti-state political theory
As can be seen today in Cuba, North Korea, China. Are you still with us, or are you living inside the rainbow all flowery communist propaganda? Or are those places not really doing your perfect definition of communism?
Right wing is about tradition, judeo-christian values that created the western civilization, morals being absolutes, individual liberties. In order to have individual freedoms, you need a State that has minimal intervention in society, be it in the economy or your daily lives.
Now in order to deliver the future utopia that all revolutionaries promise, you need POWER. Centralized States with absolute power over society, just like Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, Mao Zedong, and many more had.
>>55793630
Ukrainians don't make TV shows, movies and popsongs to distract from and ameliorate the unbearable weight of existence.
>>55796102
Modern and most widely recognised definition of right wing is less state interventions and from that point of view it is an oxymoron.
>>55796109
You are mistaking right wing with conservative.
Stalin was worse although I like both of them.
Stalin is worse because he killed all those people for the sake of money and power, Hitler did it because he really thought he was doing the right thing and fixing Germany.
>>55796102
Anti-state =/= minimal state
State is necessary, but today the government can jail you if you don't want your kids to have sexual education, for example.
http://www.wnd.com/2011/03/275641/
http://protectthepope.com/?p=2593
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/mother-of-twelve-jailed-in-germany-for-refusing-to-enroll-children-in-sex-e
http://www.wnd.com/2009/12/118635/
>>55796194
Liberals/libertarians are political center at best, since they subscribe to many left wing policies like abortion, drug legalization, LGBT activism, also known as the entire cultural agenda of the left.
>>55796109
>As can be seen today in Cuba, North Korea, China
None of these countries claim to be communist. Since the definition of communism is "a stateless, propertyless, classless society where all wealth is held in common" and those countries don't even come close to meeting those definitions it would be stupid of them to do so.
Cuba considers itself a Workers State based on socialist principles.
North Korea removed the word communism from it's constituion many years ago and defines itself as a "Song'un" (military first) state.
China describes itself as "Socialism with Chinese Characteristics" (those Chinese Characteristics meaning authoritarianism and capitalist economy policy)
Communists believe the purpose of the state is to maintain private property, and that it has to be destroyed if you want to bring about an end to private property. You can have a socialist state, or a workers state, but not a communist one, since the very concept of communism is predicated on the abolition of the state.
>Right wing is about tradition, judeo-christian values that created the western civilization, morals being absolutes, individual liberties. In order to have individual freedoms, you need a State that has minimal intervention in society, be it in the economy or your daily lives.
This is flatly untrue. Right-wing is generally a term that describes for the last 250 years or so (at least since the French Revolution) those who want to preserve the status quo and currently existing social heirachy. They believe in the paternalistic authority of Church and State, and they believe in an ordered society with a rigid and authoritarian. class system
Individual freedoms are ideas that have their roots in radical Liberalism and the French Revolution, Tom Paine and the Rights of Man etc.
A weak state is also often something that classical liberals and supporters of capitalism pay lip-service too.
>>55796404
>left wing policies like abortion, drug legalization, LGBT activism
And now you are mistaking left wing with progressive or liberal.
Stance on economical issues does not correlate with social policies mate.
The most conservative parties in eastern europe are usually left wing for example.
>>55793630
>evil
Don't really believe in it, but Hitler definitely had more of a crazy ideology thing going. Stalin was kind of boring in comparison.
>>55796194
>Modern and most widely recognised definition of right wing is less state interventions and from that point of view it is an oxymoron.
By who?
I utterly reject that definition. Right-wing has meant in favour of the strong state since the term first started being used. Left was associated with the the opposition to Church and State and the desire to reduce the heirachy and social order in favour of equality and individual freedom.
After all, authoritarian traditional conservatives like Churchill or De Gaulle were routinely referred to as right-wing in the mid 20th century, and took pride in their right-wing beliefs.
>>55796452
Nice to see a poster on /pol/ knows his onions.
>>55793630
>destroyer of Europe
>>55793630
The one that had the time to start a global war.
Withing their own countries, they ruled draconically, but reasonable output came out of it.
>>55796548
The "Libertarians" in the US have attempted to redefine the political spectrum with evil authoritarians on the left and freedom loving good guys on the right.
It's the most utterly retarded spectrum, yet it appeals to retards.
>>55796600
I know my Marxism, but let's be honest this is basic stuff. If the guy had bothered to look at the wikipedia page for communism for example he would've found this phrase:
>In political and social sciences, communism (from Latin communis – common, universal)is a social, political, and economic ideology and movement whose ultimate goal is the establishment of the communist society, which is a socioeconomic order structured upon the common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money and the state.
So if the guy can't even be bothered doing a wiki search for the basic knowledge then I am obviously going to look smart compared to him.
>>55796805
inb4 someone posts
>wikipedia
>>55796887
allow me
>wikipedia
>>55796767
Libertarians and capitalists have a funny way of defining authority in that context.
They are suspicious of the authority of the state, except of course when it comes to the state protecting their property, when they're all of a sudden huge supporters of the police, the military, the court system etc. They don't want government interference, but they don't want the state to stop enforcing contracts or getting rid of things like limited liability or anti-trust laws etc.
They're in favour of private corporations having immense authority and political power, totally unchecked by the population, but against the state when it's trying to do things on behalf of those who don't have any property.
It's a really dumb way of looking at the world and it's weird how they can even call themselves libertarian - which as you know is a word that meant basically the same thing as "Anarchist" or "Anarcho-communist" for most of the 19th and 20th centuries and was used interchangably with them.
>>55793630
>6 million
That numbers a little low don't you think goy?
>>55796452
You're living in a fantasy land where all that matters is the dictionary definition of the words.
Have a dose of reality, where Fidel initially said he was not a communist, yet later clearly admitted he's a marxist-leninist:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-lAM56FATE
As far as I know, marxism is communism. I'm not going to search for every communist leader out there because I'm already doing your homework for you with that Fidel video.
It's time to wake up and realize all the amazing promises that come out of the mouths of the so called humanitarian, progressives, and all those euphemisms, are just a con for getting power. Fidel has been in power for half a century, and where's the socialist/communist paradise? It can never ever happen because if it does, it will be judged. The revolution has to be permanent, the delivery of promises will always be postponed.
The individual freedoms can only be kept by a system of morals. The only right you had in the french revolution, was right this way, to the guillotine. Just like the right you had under Stalin's rule was right into this mass grave. Or the right to obey or be shot in Cuba today. How about the concentration camps in North Korea today? lots of individual liberties right there
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUFkObwQnBU
>>55796959
"Libertarians" appear to have no concept of power, other than zero sum coercion. They dismiss any differences in power conferred by economic means as entirely "natural", and therefor good.
They're a bizarre bunch.
>>55797188
>fantasy land where all that matters is the dictionary definition of the words.
Er... what other definition is there?
>>55797188
>You're living in a fantasy land where all that matters is the dictionary definition of the words.
hilarious.
"you're living in a fantasy world where words have meanings!!!"
Wittgenstein always said there was no such thing as a private language - however you seem to be proving him wrong today.
There was no holocaust and Hitler didn't do anything to his own people...
There were 7k at average a year in the political concentration camps before the war. Yugoslavia had more,on average .
>>55795682
>Everything Stalin did, no matter how terrible, ultimately served some logical and pragmatic purpose
That's untrue. Stop believing commie propaganda.
Stalin was completely paranoid and routinely invented enemies. How was the deportation of koreans to kazhakstan "serving some logical and pragmatic purpose"?
>>55797188
>As far as I know, marxism is communism
I don't think you know much about this topic, whereas I've studied it and been involved in Marxist and Communist political movements my entire adult life.
You should probably defer to those that know what they're talking about and swallow your pride.
For instance, what Fidel is saying there is actually fairly coherent. He wasn't much of a communist when he started, he was an anti-imperialist nationalist, his move towards Marxism-Leninism took place in the late 50's as result of pressure from the USA and support from Russia.
It's also worth pointing out that Cuba has moved away substantially from Leninism since 1991 and that Castro himself has written a few articles saying that Leninism is essentially over - which it is, although he still remains a socialist and a supporter of Cuban independence.
>>55793630
Jews are the cancer on western society. Kill them all. It's us or them.
>>55793630
Stalin was way worse.
For one, he tried to annex all of Europe. Hitler's crime was trying to defend it from his tyrannical reign.
Stalin is remembered as a good guy because he won the war.
>>55797551
>Stalin is remembered as a good guy
Er... where?
>>55797270
Marxism isn't an ideology you can easily pinpoint. Marxists have switched ideas back and forth tons of times.
Ever heard of sexual liberation in Stalin's times? Later after it created a generation of young delinquents, Stalin lowered the minimal age for executions, and the person who pushed the sexual liberation ideas was sent to a prison for those young criminals, and ended up being beaten to death by the generation of criminals he created.
While promoting so called cultural marxism in the West, feminism, LGBT activism and critical theory is not applied in their home lands, such as China. Communism is not about a rigid ideology, but it's about groups of power, with old links that date back to the french revolution.
They are about dialectic materialism, if sexual liberation doesn't work, we'll try something else. If Trotsky doesn't work, Stalin's plans will. After Stalin falls, we condemn what he did and say it was Stalinism, clearing the name of communism once again. Just like you are trying to clear the revolutionary names by claiming Cuba, North Korea and others are not communists. Oldest trick in the book.
>>55797401
>Stalin was completely paranoid and routinely invented enemies
This is true. People's understanding of Stalin don't recognise how crazy the guy actually was. He was quite paranoid and mad yet also very rational and pragmatic too. It's a weird combination.
Reccommend the Simon Sebag Montefore books about Stalin.
i also recommend this AJP Taylor lecture from British TV in the 1970's about Stalin for a non-hyperbolic overview of his behaviour.
http://cloud.mkc.nsw.edu.au/MP4%20VIDEOS/War%20Lords-AJP%20Taylor%201-Stalin.mp4
>>55797401
>Stalin was completely paranoid and routinely invented enemies.
That's called mobilization.
>How was the deportation of koreans to kazhakstan "serving some logical and pragmatic purpose"?
That's called diluting existing national identities to replace them with an artificial one transcending cultural borders. Like it or not, the Union made quite a success at that.
>>55797463
>I don't think you know much about this topic, whereas I've studied it and been involved in Marxist and Communist political movements my entire adult life
It's not hard to tell, given how completely dishonest you are. How are those piles of bodies going? You are partly responsible for that.
>>55797626
>While promoting so called cultural marxism in the West
Er... wut?
"Cultural Marxism" is a right wing fantasy. The term is an oxymoron.
>>55797595
My Grandad loves him, although tbf he was in the Navy doing supply runs to Murmansk during WW2.
I'm a socialist but I think he did immense damage to the international socialist movement, although I also think making it a matter of his personal evil-ness is a mistake. I think he was a product of an incredibly violent society, and in such a society it's paranoid lunatics like Hitler and Stalin can rise to the top.
>>55797626
This. The common thread in Marxism is unappealable control over the entire society through central radical decisions. That explains both the radical yet superficial stuff as well as the right wing army invading your house stuff. It's both Sheila Broflofsky just wanting to start a movement.
>>55797695
>How are those piles of bodies going?
Great thanks, I've been shooting babies and stacking them up in my garage all morning.
I'll go out later and kick a few puppies whilst singing the Internationale. Hail Stalin! Long Live Evil!
>>55797702
>right wing fantasy
Is that why left wing governments such as Obama follow exactly what Herbert Marcuse said, that the new revolutionary class was the lumpenproletariat, such as the criminals, drug addicts, and what Karl Marx called the trash of society?
The left has a very clear criminal-enabling policies. Look at what's going on in Europe right now, inducing a revolutionary situation by using the imported jihadis. I guess it's the theory of coincidence, that marxists love to say.
>>55797702
>"Cultural Marxism" is a right wing fantasy. The term is an oxymoron.
It is a right-wing fantasy although I wouldn't call it an oxymoron - Marxists right from the start have taken a massive interest in culture and society and how it relates to the economy. Engels after all wrote "Origins of Private Property, The Family and the state" on cultural matters and Marx makes routine use of cultural theories and concepts in Das Kapital (which Francis Wheen likens to a large Victorian horror novel)
>>55793630
Well, by losing, Hitler doomed us all so i guess it's pretty evil.
Hitler did nothing wrong.
Fuck jews. Fuck niggers. Fuck sand niggers.
>>55797835
You may joke as much as you want, but whats going on in Cuba right now, where people have a limited amount of eggs to eat per month, where people get shot for disagreeing with the COMMUNIST regime, is the fault of people like you. I hope you're proud of the suffering you have caused to people with your genocide enabling friends.
>>55797792
>This. The common thread in Marxism is unappealable control over the entire society through central radical decisions
Nonsense.
The common thread in Marxism is class struggle based on conflicting social relations of production.
Read some Marx before talking about him please, otherwise those of us who have read him will make you look stupid and ill-informed for our own amusement.
>>55797854
>Is that why left wing governments such as Obama follow exactly what Herbert Marcuse said, that the new revolutionary class was the lumpenproletariat
Pretty sure Marcuse never actually said that outright, and if he did he was dead wrong so why would you even care?
Obama isn't a Marxist, he's a bog-standard American liberal and therefore anti-Marxist and pro-capitalist.
Liberalism is the sworn enemy of Marxism you should know this shit before commenting.
>>55797765
>My Grandad loves him,
Stalin doesn't have a good reputation, in general. Quite the opposite, he's portrayed in Western history books as a tyrant.
>>55797854
>Is that why left wing governments such as Obama follow exactly what Herbert Marcuse said
You think Obama is a Marxist?
hehe
>The left has a very clear criminal-enabling policies. Look at what's going on in Europe right now, inducing a revolutionary
Er... the "left" didn't cause the Syrian refugee crisis.
>>55797986
>You may joke as much as you want, but whats going on in Cuba right now, where people have a limited amount of eggs to eat per month
Every society limits the amount of food you can eat. Capitalist societies do it via the market system and ration what you can eat according to the value of the labour you can sell to an employer. If capital can find no profitable use for your labour - too bad, go hungry!
>where people get shot for disagreeing with the COMMUNIST regime
Just cos you write the world in capital letters doesn't make it any more true.
>I hope you're proud of the suffering you have caused to people with your genocide enabling friends.
Absolutely, fuck 'em.
The 20th century was just a warm up - we'll double the deathcount this time round, just you wait, starting with all the bitchy little reactionary dipshits like you! Then we move on the libertarians. Then we'll wipe out the Amish just for shits and giggles.
>Disregard Bourgeoisie morality
>Acquire Wealth and Resources
>Destroy Reactionaries and Counter-Revolutionaries
>>55798131
He was a tryant, even his supporters would admit that but he's a tyrant who won the war for us, so those of us who participated in that (such as my grandad) view him as a valued ally.
>>55797917
The cultural aspect, as described by paranoid right wingers, belongs to Gramsci, rather than Marx.
Marx's dialectical materialism was the driving force of history.
>>55797999
You must be retarded if you think Das Kapital is the only thing left wing parties follow. The Frankfurt School's ideas has been very influential worldwide, of promoting the LGBT agenda, feminism, afro-communism (read affirmative action).
Today communists try to induce class warfare with certain narratives.
>blacks don't get as much jobs as white
>black lives matter
>the class of blacks is oppressed by the class of whites
Therefore, we must create affirmative action, we must make amends for slavery, western civilization is evil and all that trash.
You can do the very same for muslims too. They are oppressed by the western civilization, we should give them special treatment. Society is islamophobic who wants to hunt down muslims.
They do the same to gays. Gay people are oppressed by heterosexuals, they are an oppressed minority class. Society is homophobic. This is the narrative the left wants to push, and can be seen in mainstream media very easily.
Class warfare with minorities/racial/religion/minorities connotations. Nevermind the fact that muslims for example are far from a minority, but the narrative isn't about truth, it's about pushing an agenda. A left wing agenda.
>>55793630
>bonus points; why are 7 million starved Ukrainian peasants pushed the back of history while the 6 million murdered Jews take the center stage?
Brainwashed niger.
Stalin was a savior of more than 100 bln people.
US\UK backed Hitler start the war that kill 32 bln of people.
Churchill about Stalin
@It is very fortunate for Russia in her agony to have this great rugged war chief at her head. He is a man of massive outstanding personality, suited to the sombre and stormy times in wich his life has been cast; a man of inexhaustible courage and will-power and a man direct and even blunt in speech … Above all, he is a man with that saving sense of humour which is of high importance to all men and all nations, but particularly to great men and great nations. Stalin also left upon me the impression of a deep, cool wisdom and complete absence of illusions of any kind. I believe I made him feel that we were good and faithful comrades in this war but this, after all, is a matter which deeds not words will prove@
>>55798345
The thing is though Gramsci had fuck all to do with the Frankfurt School or Critical theory, which is what they always try to reduce this stuff down too.
And even then he concentrates on culture as a component on the reproduction of captialist social relations, not as some abstract thing - it's still tied to the Marxist materialist analysis, unlike people involved in Cultural Studies or some post-marxist post-structuralist types etc.
>>55795173
are you an eyewitness? are you at least 80 years old?
>>55798390
>The Frankfurt School's ideas has been very influential worldwide
The Frankfurters were destroyed in academia in the late 1960s by Post Structuralism. Modernist critical theory hasn't carried any weight (if it ever did) for nearly 50 years.
>>55798226
Obama had a mentor called Frank Marshall Davis, you should check out his bio, he isn't a liberal, that's for sure.
>Er... the "left" didn't cause the Syrian refugee crisis.
Funny because I remember the left saying we should bow down and stay on all fours because of the poor "migrants"
or else you're a racist, it's time to reap what you sowed
but you won't, you'll soon create europelism, that shit has nothing to do with the left calling the shots in many european countries, I swear!
>>55793630
Stalin won and Hitler Lost
Might makes right faggots
>>55795173
>Russians were just uncultured animals that murdered and raped.
Complexed notorious baltic niger
In reality russians build universitats and atomic power plants.
>>55798582
>Funny because I remember the left saying we should bow down and stay on all fours because of the poor "migrants"
Those fleeing the Syrian crisis aren't "migrants", they're refugees.
The "left" didn't start the conflict in Syria, Iraq, nor Libya.
>>55798390
the "Frankfurt School" is not some giant conspiracy theory that is responsible for all the social progress you feel challenged by.
These people couldn't give a fuck about LGBT rights and had nothing to do say on the topics. What you're describing here is totally standard post-class post-marxist Liberal Identity Poltiics.
>the class of blacks is oppressed by the class of whites
What the fuck is this nonsense?
Marxist define class as "the social relations of production" not in terms of race you dipshit. They believe that a class proletarians are exploited by a class capital-owners (something which, btw, the post-marxist identity politics lot you're crying about consider to be colourblind racism and is one of the reasons they don't like Marxism very much.)
Classes are economic, you can't wage "class warfare with religious minorities" because they're defined by their religion, not by their relationship to the means to production.
>>55793630
The jewish one.
>>55798286
As a venezuelan once said, the only difference is that in a free society, you eat for what you work, under communism, you eat if you obey.
Capitalism isn't an opposite to Communism, because capitalism is only related to the economy, while Communism may or not mess with the economy, but more important than that is to control society. China's 1 child policy is a clear example of Communism going far beyond the economy. Wait they're not communists, right? They're Maoists. Or what's the name of the chingchong now? Are they Xiaopingists? I forgot who's calling the shots at the Chinese Communist Party, please help me.
>>55793630
>why are 7 million starved Ukrainian peasants pushed the back of history while the 6 million murdered Jews take the center stage?
Your numbers are a little low:
With that insidious so-call 'insecticide', Hitler personally gassed at least 60 million Jews. The official numbers are under-reported because it would make the Germans feel bad about themselves.
>>55794222
more russians died during "holodomor" than ukranians.
>>55798528
Not only that but the New Left (which still has some limited influence) is highly critical of these people, for instance they think Adorno is racist and an apologist for Stalinism.
Personally the only person I've ever thought worthwhile from the FS is Walter Benjamin, the rest are a waste of time. I read loads of it when I was a student, and y'know what I never got to the bit where they declare war on the West and destroy Christendom etc.
>>55798807
>because capitalism is only related to the economy
This is flatly untrue btw. Capitalism requires number of political features - a state willing to enforce contracts, protect private property with violence, uphold the law, resolve disputes between capitalist, fight wars to get access to new markets and resources and generally act as "the committee which governs the common affairs of the ruling class."
There's no such thing as Politics and Economy betwen in two seperate boxes which never meet, they are interlinked, you can never seperate one from the other. A lot of people like to say that liberalism is the political expression of capitalism because it relies on there being a state that can do the things I mentioned above, but I don't think capitalist necessarily needs liberalism to provide those things.
>>55798807
It's called "Socialism with Chinese Characteristics" and it's basically state capitalism at this point in time - where the Chinese Communist Party takes on the role of the leading bourgeosie (I think this label of state capitalist is more accurate when applied to China than it was to the Soviet Union, which retained many identifiable socialist features right up to it's dying day)
>>55798710
It doesn't matter what you label them, what matters is that your communist/socialist friends wanted them in, and now they slaughtered over a hundred people in France. I hope you're proud.
>>55798723
Like I said your mind is lobotomized or something. Marxism isn't a rigid ideology, it's extremely proteic in its nature, it's dialectic, which means they go with what works in order to get more power.
Stalin once said the class warfare should switch from economy classes to minorities, this idea is still followed to this day.
Anyone can read works of the frankfurt school and realize Critical Theory is applied today, universities offer you courses of Critical Theory if you want, it's all a coincidence I swear. Also they're not marxist because they don't talk about the economy. Also even if they were, they misinterpreted Marx.
I see "accountability" isn't in your dictionary.
>>55799133
>Stalin once said the class warfare should switch from economy classes to minorities, this idea is still followed to this day.
By definition that's impossible.
A class is a material thing defined by the relationship to the economy.
Once you stop advocating the victory of the working-class over the bourgeoisie you stop being a socialits. It's the absolute minimum, bottom-line, non-negotiatable definition of socialism that exists.
And i'm pretty sure Stalin never said that either.
I don't think there's much point talking to someone who's entirely educated themselves by 4chan memes.
It's a shame too, know about the stuff you're discussing in autistic-tier detail. I could provide you with genuine information, real stuff not memes, and yet you'd rather walk away from this opportunity and carry on being wrong. lol suit yourself!
>>55798829
Indeed.
I can guarantee you those citing "the Frankfurt School" as the root of the West's "problems" have never read a single word written by a Frankfurter.
>>55799133
>It doesn't matter what you label them, what matters is that your communist/socialist friends wanted them in,
One of the terrorists was confirmed as a French citizen.
The imperialist proxy wars being waged in the Middle East were not instigated by the "left".
>>55793630
stalin is worse
simply because of what motivated their actions
hitler was motivated by his hope to make Germany great again, he wanted Germans to have a greater life. in his early years as leader he brought alot of prosperity to the nation, proving he wasn't simply there to kill people.
he took critisim (to a point) and he did not punish people for speaking out about his plans (to a point) he inspired his country through love and respect for him.
his cruelty and disgusting acts, were done not for hisself, but for his people.
his warring was a massive problem, he was not a militairy thinker in the end. he got cocky after the fall of france and what he believed the death throws of britain, two of the most powerful countries to ever exist, he believed russia would be a cake walk. his cockiness was noted by his militairy leaders who did speak out, but his ego pushed them aside. he bfecame more and more liek stalin he forgot why he became chancellor and instead became so preoccupied with maintaining his rule, that he started making a mess of things, which resulted in more attempts on his life, less trust in his cohorts, and a breakdown of trust and communication between him and the generals. proving his downfall.
stalin seemed to just wanted power. he was corrupt and used communisms ideas to maintain his power keeping his people down and his power up. he didnt care about his people really, he just cared that his country was large, powerful and he was on top. anybody who spoke out went to gulag.
stalin ruled with fear, people followed him out of fear, not love. the only people who actually loved him were the high ranking militairy who never saw the bad side of his rule, only the benefits of stalinism.
his cruelty was motivated by a need for self preservation. he wanted greatness, and ww2 allowed him to bring about a national sense of pride in their mighty government who defeated hitler.
>>55799526
Furthermore there's no evidence that any of the perpetrators were refugees. The claim that they were is now being challenged by various security agencies who think the syrian passport found on or near one of the dead bodies was a forgery (which is quite common there's a big trade in forged Syrian passports atm)
The political right wanted all these wars in the middle-east, aren't they going to accept responsiblity for their consequences now those wars have been lost?
Mind you we're dealing with people who still don't accept they lost in Vietnam so you can't expect them to admit they lost in Iraqand Afghanistan as well.
>>55794197
so, prince, what would you like your last name to be?
"just fuck me up man"
>>55799081
>protect private property with violence
Ever heard of the Ten Commandments? The notion of private property precedes your genocidal friends by some thousand years. Some shepherd in the stone age would protect his lambs from not only animals but people. Again you can have capitalism with many political systems, in the feudal times the fields were the capital.
I'm going to go even further and say there's no such thing as a Socialist/Communist Economy, von Mises already proved it's impossible to control prices of everything, therefore a planned economy is an impossibility. What every communist dictatorship does is to create a heavily controlled capitalism, with clandestine free market, or else the country would simply collapse. Ever heard of russian millionaires who appeared after the fall of the USSR? Far more important than controlling the economy is to control the people, this is where gun control works best, as can be seen in China, Cuba and many other places.
"State capitalism" is also a word for communism.
You see, once your friends get in power, slaughter countless people and everyone sees them for what they are, a bunch of psychopaths who only lust for power no matter how many lives they have to bulldoze, you quickly dismiss them as not-communists. You have no idea of what is accountability at all, no idea of responsibility and clearly don't value human life.
I mean let's disregard the fact that the CCP - Chinese Communist Party has been in power since a long time. I mean those guys are totally not communists, please believe me.
I want you to go in China and accuse them of not being communists, of doing shit wrong and more, I want to see how long you'll last there once you accuse them of betraying fellow revolutionaries, or whatever is your bullshit argument of how China is not communist anymore.
>>55793630
I'll be more evil than both of them together pretty soon.. *Evil Grin*
>>55794335
he got cocky, france fell and britain was pretty much dead in his eyes, if youd just knocked out 2 of the greatest powers of the time in a single year, youd be fucking cocky about what you can do.
he got coky started biting off more than he could chew, it all went mad, he struggled to keep things right because everything was just going up at once. he couldnt sort it out and boom. ww2 ended
>>55799834
>The notion of private property precedes your genocidal friends by some thousand years.
"Private property" is a legal definition, it is historically and culturally contingent. Some cultures have no concept of property at all.
> von Mises already proved it's impossible to control prices of everything
Meanwhile, the Soviet Union continued to increase production for 70 years...
> Ever heard of russian millionaires who appeared after the fall of the USSR?
You can thank the Chicago Boy's and their neoliberal economic prescriptions for the emergence of the oligarchy.
>>55799337
You think in a very rigid way, marxism is dialectic, when something doesn't work, they try the other way around. If it's possible, they'll claim credit when their plans go wrong too.
For example, in order to induce a revolutionary situation, you should promote crime, according to Herbert Marcuse. So if your laws that make it easier on criminals somehow fail and crime rates are reduced, a left wing politician can claim his policies have made society better. To use this political capital to introduce their other plans, such as gun control and whatever.
Marxism isn't logical, linear thinking, it is dialectic which is the opposite of western critical thought, it is to deal with 2 or more political strategies.
Let's see, now the refugee problem will backfire, so we'll say we need to attack ISIS, instead of addressing the problem of the imported jihadis the left created.
Also 2 of the terrorists were supposed to be syrian refugees, so time to spin this shit up, dear commies.
>>55800267
>Marxism isn't logical, linear thinking, it is dialectic which is the opposite of western critical thought,
Hegel was German.
>>55793630
>Hitler
>Evil
Pick one.
>>55793630
HITLER DINDU NUFFIN
>>55799834
>The notion of private property precedes your genocidal friends by some thousand years
It does however capitalism and the capitalist state are identifiably around 300 years old.
In feudal ties the land was the capital, but they didn't have a capitalist economy. They had a feudal and/or mercantilist economy.
>I'm going to go even further and say there's no such thing as a Socialist/Communist Economy, von Mises already proved it's impossible to control prices of everything, therefore a planned economy is an impossibility.
Yeah but that's pretty stupid. Firstly all economies are planned, including market economies. Companies and firms are engaged in planning to increase shareholders returns, regulators are involved in planning, governments plan decades in advance to make sure that capitalism has workers, infastructure and resources needed etc. The question for socialists isn't planning as such, but who does the planning and in whose interests do they plan? Mises doesn't address this at all and basically critiques a version of socailism that he's invented for himself, one which I don't recognise or see much evidence of in the history of the socialist movement. The second really important thing to remember is that capitalist firms engage in central planning all the time - a large multinational might have a higher turnover than some countries have GDP, but their prices and decisions are still determined by a central committee, oops, sorry, board of directors, and it seems to work pretty good for them.
As for your knowlege of the USSR - according to Marxism (and Lenin etc were Marxists) it was impossible to create socialist or communism in russia since it hadn't fully emerged from feudalism and gone through a bourgeois revolution. They saw themselves as "developmentalist" in their approach, that in order to achieve communism they first had to have a capitalist revolution (which was callled the NEP) then a socialist one.
>>55793630
>>55799834
>"State capitalism" is also a word for communism.
State capitalism is a word for captialism - you still have all the features of capitalism (markets, commodity production, profit, workers and bosses, cycles of capital accumulation) but the role of the bourgeosie is replaced by the state bureaucracy. That's it.
The USSR wasn't really state capitalist in my opinion - I think the traditional trotskyite critique that it was a "failed workers state" that had some residual socialist features is more accurate, and that post Deng China is more accurate form of state capitalism.
>>55800267
>Marxism isn't logical, linear thinking, it is dialectic which is the opposite of western critical thought
lolwhut?
Communism is about as western as it gets when it comes to political theory. Marx was German, influenced by the French Revolution and Anglo-Saxon political economy.
>>55800200
>Some cultures have no concept of property at all.
Such as? Please explain the Commandment "Thou Shalt Not Steal" without the concept of private property. The point here is that there are natural laws concerning defending one's property. This notion precedes the notion of States that we have today. Family and their properties created the State, which today tries to control whats the definition of a family.
>Meanwhile, the Soviet Union continued to increase production for 70 years...
The soviet union used completely made up statistics, they can say whatever they want, it was so amazing they had to dissolve it.
Stalin is a victim, his parents were abusive, and his first wife (the one person he loved) died. This drove him completely insane. Don't blame the victim.
>>55800633
I'm saying communists don't subscribe to logical, rational based thinking, instead they use dialectic materialism, which is a line of thought that goes with 2 or more possibilities. Of course they want to dress their delusions in a veil of scientific approach, just like that other revolutionary Hitler wanted to, how he was a social darwinist and all that.
They deal with at least 2 or more lines of thought, at the very least.
>>55800868
>I'm saying communists don't subscribe to logical, rational based thinking, instead they use dialectic materialism, which is a line of thought that goes with 2 or more possibilities.
Dialectical materialism is extremely rational.
Marx thought of himself as applying rational and empirical rigour to socialist politics and the critique of classical political economy.
son, I mean you no harm when I say this, but you literally have no idea what you're talking about and you should make a sincere attempt to actually educate yourself properly on the topic.
I'm not angry with you, cos it's not nice to see someone get it so wrong, I'm just disappointed that you've been allowed to get to this stage without anyone challenging you on the basic factual accuracy of your statements.
>>55800712
>Such as?
Trobrinaders. Read Bronislaw Malinowski's "Argonauts of the Western Pacific".
The notion of "property" varies from culture to culture.
>The point here is that there are natural laws
You think there's something in "nature" that dictates our laws?
hehe
>The soviet union used completely made up statistics,
You think there arsenal of nuclear weapons is fabricated? The US didn't think so...
>>55793630
I consider Stalin to be a hero and you should too!
Most people he killed were member of the communist party. It would not surprise me, if Stalin was secret butt buddies with McCarthy and Hoover.
>>55793630
>why are 7 million starved Ukrainian peasants pushed the back of history while the 6 million murdered Jews take the center stage?
bcuz the winners write the history f@m
>>55801295
Trotsky was planning on appaering before the House Un-American activities committee to testify at the behest of Joe McCarthy. That's why Stalin had him killed.
>>55793630
*6 trillion
>>55793630
>7 million starved Ukrainian
>Implying they weren't Russians And Novorussians
>Implying Holodor was not pushed by the Ukranian National Elite
>Implying 6 million jews died
>Implying that even if they had truly died it was not caused by the Allied bombardment of the German rail roads
>implying
Depressing to see that the world you used to believe is based on LIES to satisfy certain parties...fuck this world man.
What Hitler and Stalin did was right, Rebel and Strugle.
Never trust the iluminati,or the jews or whatever you want call them. Never trust them they will just screw you right up.
Witness me /pol/ i am on the wrong side of History.
so I'm curious.
Is there any evidence that the holocaust happened?
I know there is eye witness testimony (lol)
and I know that the nazis confesesd after being tortured.
but is there any ACTUAL evidence?
I don't wanna deny the holocaust if it really happened.
>>55801142
Hmm natives who didn't create a civilization like our own.
How is that relevant to this discussion? Perhaps you should join some idyllic tribe instead of trying to make western society worse for everyone else.
Yes there are natural laws, even tribal societies will agree that homicide, for example, is a bad thing.
The USSR's economy statistics are a scam. But don't worry their Castro friends also make up a bunch of bullshit about their completely outdated medicine and more. I would rather trust a rabid dog than a communist.
>>55801744
>How is that relevant to this discussion? Perhaps you should join some idyllic tribe
I demonstrated the notion of "property" is not universal. It is historically and culturally contingent.
>Yes there are natural laws,
Does the sky fairy dictate them to bushmen who inscribe them on stone tablets?
>The USSR's economy statistics are a scam.
Evidence.
>>55802055
The fairy tale guys created an entire civilization that allows you to spew your genocidal propaganda, while the only thing your friends accomplished was to produce endless piles of corpses. I know which side is morally superior.
>>55802324
>The fairy tale guys created an entire civilization
So, you believe in a sky fairy who tells you what to do...
hehe
>>55802414
Sure thing friend, keep telling yourself that your psychopath friends want what's best for you, without religion you wouldn't have Britain, and all countries, for that matter.
>>55801352
Where the fuck are my BONUS POINTS?
>>55802893
You can keep your Muslim brothers to yourself.
We've seen how you guys roll...
>>55794171
because as we all know the media is controlled
by nazi sympathizers.
>>55803198
The muslim problem is due to the secularism your socialist friends induced. There's no such thing as an atheistic civilization, muslims are just forcing their way in on a door that was already breached by anti-religion folk such as communists, who are prime persecutors of any religious folk.
>>55803673
>The muslim problem is due to the secularism
Muslims are on your team. Jesus is one of their prophets.
You religious types are the problem.
You can keep your sky fairies.
>>55793630
well hitler was an autistic wonderboy who almost saved the wolrd but insted decided to pick a fight with joseph, the paranoid borat.
stalin prettymuch eliminated jewery from the ussr with his purges because he was afraid of them even more than hitler. but because they were so infiltrated he couldnt just start a second civil war with antisemitism, and kinda went with purges that were oftenly a shot in the dark but incredibly efective.
like hitler, he propelled his country to superpower status, but didnt give a shit about much else than his position and power.
but shit hit the fan when both said
>europe is big enough for only one of us
so the boogeyman just added gas to the fire and bang ww2.
and since stalin was seen as
>i just wanna be king in my castle leave me alone
he got help from the allies, but after the war they realised that he had a too big castle and
cold war happened
>>55793630
>Hitler
>Evil
Nice meme senpai(ily)
>>55794022
2 bagguetes to this based fella.
>>55803830
Muslims are also helped by all your socialist friends like Hollande and Merkel, while they kill christians hindus, jews alike, not much differently from you genocidal Fidel, Stalin and such that you worship.
>>55795126
>>55794812
both of you stop and think of a normal country to emigrate
>>55804347
> russian mob in the east
> feminists, liberalism and brainwashing in the west
Ye. Let me get on that. Moving to Poland would serve little difference.
> do it for the money
but i'm loaded here.
>>55804324
>Muslims are also helped by all your socialist friends like Hollande and Merkel,
You can keep your sky fairies, you've done enough damage already.
>>55794566
Killing the messenger?
He must have been a complete autist
>>55794076
>Stalin was a ruthless psycopath beyond reason.
This is why he won struggle inside communist party. Kill everyone who can remotely endanger you and you be safe kek. Everyone who thinks otherwise woul be dead... Profit!
>>55793630
The fact that none of you lot posted this has disappointed me.
>>55805131
m8 >>55800511
You disappoint me.
>>55804767
Your friends in democide clearly haven't, 100 million+ cadavers from communist regimes wasn't enough. Now it's time for some more thanks to their jihadi buddies.
>>55805353
My apologies, I scrolled through the thread quickly.
>>55805472
>wants to play the numbers games...
Your religions of peace have never resulted in a single death...
hehe
>>55805741
Far less than the genocidal groups you're associated with have promoted, that's for sure.
>>55806314
Secularism is very new.
I can assure you, it's you religious types taking instructions from sky fairies who have butchered countless numbers of people over millennia.
>>55793630
Stalin by far. No soul whatsoever, no regard ofr any human life.
Hitler you could at least say was fucked up on meth and his most evil feats like the mechanised destruction of 14 million were the result of the disgusting, unhinged, crazy and pure evil Himmler and Heydrich.
Stalin was pure pure evil. Hitler was like a little bit more of a fool would didn't know what he was doing.
>>55806487
Sure they do
which sky fairy told Mao Zedong to kill 70 million chinese in times of peace again?
Do you consider Marx a sky fairy? Cause you do worship him
>all this RIDF ITT
>>55793630
Because the several hundred thousand jews screamed and cried while they controlled the media
