Any counters for this dumb argument?
" X people died in X Y Z no one cares but few people died in Pais and everyone goes crazy"
What's dumb about it? The French themselves have been arming anti-Assad Islamists since 2012; a civil war that's claimed hundreds of thousands of lives.
If the terrorists brought their AKs with them, they might have been paid for by the French taxpayers.
It is simply natural to care more about events that affect what is close to you (geographically or culturally). Just like many people like to read local news even if it's meaningless in a larger scale.
Also you can't force people to care. If they don't care, well, too bad but that's the way it is.
>>55726192
There really isn't an argument. The Western governments have more or less created their own demons here with their actions in the Middle East and beyond extending back to colonial days.
But realistically, they should still feel some sympathy since the people who died in Paris are their countrymen/allied people, not (poorly defined) enemies.
>>55726541
this
justified like 9/11 desu
>>55726192
If they didn't post about the first one call them out on it
>>55726192
>2 Million Iraqis die because they literally refuse to stop killing each other in a non-stop sectarian civil war
>Waaaaa why don't people care
Unfortunately there is none, you can't care about one life and not give a shit about another without being a hypocrite
>>55726192
>>55726541
>>55727120
>>55727353
>>55727493
Nice samefagging on different proxies you fucking keks,
There are no civilians in islam, they are all soldiers under the general Mohammed, and take their marching orders from the commander Allah. Fuck those 2 million.
It's a difference of perspective. Not all 2 millions died at once versus the 153 who died in france. Otherwise, murder is murder
>>55727493
Le blowback
>giving a shit about people who have literally nothing in common with me and brought it on themselves
Yeah sure, I'll wear black armband at work for Rasheed's 365 days a year. #PrayForRandomDesertShithole #TuskenRaiderLivesMatter
i would just bring up historical events where a shit ton of people were murdered, and ask the instigator why he doesnt care about those people.
why aren't we concerned about all the people the mongols raped?
>>55726192
2 million savages who would murder you if they could.
>>55726192
Counterargument:
>I don't like Muslims
>I'm racist
>Prove in your next post that racism is objectively incorrect
>>55726192
Europeans care for Europeans
arabs who should car about their brothers don't, instead they kill each other.
Oh I get it. Europeans are also the ones who have to give a fuck about wat goes around somewhere they don't live to people whom they don't identify with.
You'd think accoodating millions of syrians was enough to express contept for others.
It's called brotherhood and europeans are upset to whats ging on their own cities.
>>55726192
>Any counters for this dumb argument?
It's a good argument. If they're French or in some way empathize with the French then their upset is understandable. Using the dead to moralize and justify some action is on shakier ground.
>>55726192
"2 million Iraqis die, no one cares"? How the hell would I not care?
I haven't been happier ever since.
>>55726192
>le amerigan bear co-opted by liberals
WHY CAN'T THEY GET THEIR OWN MEMES? WHY DO THEY HAVE TO STEAL MEMES FROM /int/ AND /pol/?
>>55728424
>European
>Brotherhood
Maybe loosely in the last 60 years or so, but prior to that, Europe was more than happy to tear itself apart, or have you forgotten the bloodiest wars in history were fought by "European brothers".
Besides, the problems in the Middle East did not arise in a vacuum. If you're historically literate, you'd realize that a large part of the problem exists because of Western colonialism and later interventionism in that region.
>>55727722
My fellow Murrican', you must escape the Jew brainwashing. When you froth at the mouth about sandniggers you're just doing what the Jew wants you to do. You have to remember that one is setting you up to fight the other. This does not mean that one likes Muslims.
If we're going to win, we have to escape the "Islamophobe --Commie Faggot niggerhugger" dichotomy that the Jews have designated as acceptable ways for we goyim to respond. We have to break out of that.
>>55726192
>Any counters for this dumb argument?
Yes. Poo in the loo.
>>55726192
France is not or at least was not at war.
>>55728652
The Middle East has always had problems, Islam has been waging non-stop Jihad since day one.
>>55726192
People over in those countries freak out when their own people die. We don't, because they're not our people. The only reason all this is happening, literally all of this, is so that people can assuage their white guilt and get a sense of moral righteousness whenever somebody points out how it's all bullshit.
So I should care as much for the death of 100 unknown, random guys than for the death of 1 of my friends ? That's not how it works, that's human nature.
>people die in areas essentially under civil war
>people die in a supposedly peaceful civilian area
Yeah, it's a bit fucked up that the media focuses on shock value and fresh stories over actual importance, but it's clearly more shocking for there to be a massacre in Paris than in a Syrian town.
>>55726192
Every day thousands of people die all over the world, and you're upset because your dad died? Get a grip!
These 2 million Iraqis might be innocent, but in our mind, they're at war, people are supposed to die in a war. However in our mind Paris is a peaceful, touristic city.
It's a matter of symbolism, not of number. There were 3k deaths in 9/11, but even if there were only 500 it would have been exactly the same : people died in a peaceful area.
>>55728685
Fellow member of The Greatest Nation on God's Earth, I understand your concerns regarding the future of the citizens of the chosen nation. I hope you did not mistake my hatred for the Mohomatens as a signal of love for other certain religious or political groups.
God bless you, may the constitution guide you until the next 4th.
Eternal Vigilance is the price of freedom - Thomas Jefferson
>>55726192
>Any counters for this dumb argument?
Yes.
IT'S 2015 PEOPLE.
Last time I checked we weren't allied with Iraq, we simply removed a threat and gave them democracy to govern themselves.
If you're not an ally you can fuck off.
Checks and balances niggers.
YOU FUCKING IDIOTS ARE FALLING FOR ZIONIST PROPAGANDA, HOW ARE YOU THIS EASILY MANIPULATED. GOD DAMNIT /POL/ TAKE A STEP BACK AND LOOK AT THIS FROM A JEWISH PERSPECTIVE.
ISIS IS ISRAELI
https://youtu.be/eXRZ-eeKE3M
https://youtu.be/id1aVHlcR_E
ISRAEL DID 9/11
AL-BAGDADI IS A FUCKING JEW
https://youtu.be/LjqbtW_iVLw
DO NOT CALL YOURSELVES NATIONAL SOCIALISTS, YOU ARE ALL ZIONIST STOOGES!!
>>55730044
Wow stormfront must be pretty slow today, fuck off with this shit, I don't want my daughters clitoris cut off.
>>55728562
I like you guy :)
>>55730176
>stormfront
>advocating the Muslim POV
Lol
>>55726192
There werr huge anti Iraq war protests soi can only assume ehoever nade the pixturr is fuckibg retarddd ad usual
also in drunk and typubg on a phone go to hell
>>55726192
Nowhere near 2 million Iraqis died, and the vast majority of violence was Sunni-Shia sectarian.
I don't know where the fuck these idiots are getting these numbers
>>55727622
genius
>>55730044
why does this clown keep moving side to side?
>>55726192
>Any counters for this dumb argument?
Yeah. Western Civilization is actually worth preserving.
The US funds Isis and isil to do the work of what a few dindu nothing white boys would be sent to do, taking the pipeline and oil supply. That's how the whole no boots on the ground was attained. We fund those rebels to take control of interests for us. This is why the US is slow to do anything and bluff about drone strikes on their own oil supply chain. Where do you think the rebels get their weapons? The US also has a list of the top donators for these groups that are allies. That's how they fix a worn torn country into profit.
Refugees that don't like the way shit is going in their home have no support to take it back so they are running. Just like you would. Just like anyone would.
"shut up retard"
Because nobody gives a shit about kebabs.
>>55732239
Funding Isis and isil is what the US calls humanitarian aid. They were supposed to build a new state in a land of interest.
>>55727702
true, but in this case i think plenty of people have publicly condemned the wars in the middle east, drone strikes etc. what happened in Paris is comparatively very bad to how things normally are over there. the argument in the OP is a pity contest that doesn't need to happen.
>>55731572
/thread
>>55731572
Lol noooo.
Fun fact : the human mind is logarithmic. There is a huge perceived difference between 1 and 2, or 10 and 100, but small between 100 000 and 2 million
>>55726192
Of course France and Europe cares look at how many refugees they've let in.
>>55726192
>muslims killing muslims
That's their internal affair.
>muslim refugees killing French
That's like coming getting invitation and killing the host..
>>55726192 (OP)
1. The body count is garbage. The numbers of iraqi non-combatants dead by coalition forces is about 4,800. Among that number are cases where the deceased's identity is unknown, the deceased was committing suicide by cop, the source reporting the death is suspect, or in cases for which the deceased's survivors have accepted restitution.
2. Coalition forces have demonstrated that they care for Iraqi people and their government by having already dumped hundreds of billions in development. To this day they continue to go above and beyond what is legally required (by the government of Maliki) to prevent up the duplicitous shits from devolving into ethnic and sectarian cleansing '-stans.'
3. IS recruiters may or may not make deceptive graphics like these but it's a fact that they use them to manipulate public sentiment with "whataboutism" and fraudulent social justice as bait, and guilt and shame as the hooks.
4. Humiliated and ashamed goys are then called cowards, clubbed obver the head with a koran, feed meth, and trucked off to the IS meat grinder.
Nobody cared about Iraq? ARE YOU HIGH? It was the progressive rallying cry for the past decade.
Fucking retarded OP.
>>55726192
>few
to street poopers standards.
>>55726192
>OP doesn't realize the deaths are in better, civilized countries.
Really?
Reposting from another thread: What makes the attack relevant, even perhaps more disturbing than the terror-showboating of 9/11, is that there's real meat behind it. This is destined to be the first in a long string of similar attacks, and everyone on some level knows it. The people who caused most of Iraq's war deaths are now in Europe.
One was part of a war the other was an attack on civilians in a first world country. What is hard to understand about this?
>>55726192
>2 million Iraqis die
>nobody cares
American soldiers spent their lives and blood defending Iraqis from the Islamic terrorists and sectarian militias that were responsible for the blood shed in Iraq. They have been rewarded for this sacrifice with mockery scorn, and the Iraqi people supporting closer ties with our enemy Iran.
Any kek that supports that argument or thinks we owe a single GODDAMN thing to the Iraqi people is a traitor and should go live among the foreigners he clearly loves over his own countrymen.
Just remind them that the gay filter proposed by facebook was offered and in the same month, when saudi arabia legalized women's vote, they didn't offer anything.
Where was the outrage from the leftist population? Because applying that same logic, everybody only cares about gays but nobody cares about saudi women, some of the most oppressed people on the planet.
Plus, the lefties were estatic about that gay filter.
People forget that third world shitholes are vastly different on every level from first world countries. People are different even on a genetic level in those areas. Crying over iraqis is like crying over a horde of rats drowning in a river. They objectively has less worth as human beings.
>>55726192
More like how do you counter the DESIGNATED POO POO STREETS
Sandniggers aren't people though.
>>55726192
Fuck this pic
Fuck social media
Fuck the general public
Death is never good regardless of the situation. Yes, the USA is a bag of shit and has caused more deaths through corruption and greed than nay other country. Yet what do fags like this FB user do in a situation like this?
Once again they take a tragic event and whore out the deaths of innocent people for views, favorites, and likes. All a desperate attempt at "Look at me! I'm smart and clever! Listen to me!"
Fuck people like this. I guarantee you the fag behind this pic doesn't do shit to help those around him. Doesn't feed the hungry, give shelter to the poor, donate to charity, or ANYTHING. He just makes pseudo-intellectual posts on FB. Hell, I'll bet you anything he doesn't even try to stop the US government from continuing to murder and exploit those in the ME.
I am fucking tired of seeing every tragic event that happens in the world turned in another social media campaign. I'm tired of the lack of respect for those who die; their deaths being used for likes and follows. I'm tired of this shit all together
Social media truly is the worst fucking thing to happen in modern society and on the Internet.
>>55732613
You're citing nothing but a Russian active measure that is intended to distract idiots from the fact that they're directly supporting a autocratic warlord kill 2/3rds of Syria.
It's Ironic because Russia and Assad are funding IS, giving electricity to IS, and releasing IS fighters to the battlefield as they say lies like these.
The statement is doubly ironic because the US all but defeated AQI (isis) before 2011 and along with the kurds just cut the amount of territory they control in two. (in the same day Russia directly killed no less than 20 Sunni civilians).
Niggers that believe the US and France are responsible for the unrest in Syria are cowards in the face of truth and pawns of Moscow's atheist government.
>>55726192
>Any counters for this dumb argument?
Non-white lives don't matter, especially Muslim ones.
Pure bullshit. Masses of people went out and campaigned and protested the Iraq war before it even started. Where are the protests of the ISIS war on Europe in the Middle East?
Oh, no-one gives a fuck there and they never will.
>>55727722
pls tell me you're convinced this board is satire
>>55728424
except then we ask them why they don't condemn attacks on our soil sufficiently, don't we?
>>55734418
>Niggers that believe the US and France are responsible for the unrest (...)
Except the US is, along with Russia. Up until very recently, this was the first real proxy war since the cold war.
>>55726192
"using people's emotional reactions in the face of tragedy in an attempt to appear morally superior is disgusting"
>>55734741
>people fighting wars on home soil against ISIS
>not giving a shit
pick one. The Middle East has seen more of ISIS than any other place, and has called it deplorable since day 1 (except Saudi Arabia, until recently.) Also, it's been almost 5 years since the start of the Arab Spring. Don't you think all people want at this stage is some normality?
>>55735046
>the US is, along with Russia
You're mistaken. Saddam had WMD and was supporting terrorism in 2003. The war was just and the US conducted it with unprecedented honor. Russia did nothing for Iraq except profiteer in the oil for food scandal and arm Iran. As for Syria, the US and Russia did nothing together other than confiscate some of Assad's chemical weapons.
>up until recently
the US has never stopped supporting the Iraqi government since 2003. The oil industry in Iraq exists because the CPA built it all and handed it back with no conditions. The US and the Kurds are now the only force currently fighting IS and trying to support the Sunni victims of it and Assad.
>real proxy war
1. For Russia it is no longer a Proxy war. They are using their planes and their bombs to kill real arab sunni.
2. The US has never moved against Assad in actual or through proxies. The US knows that it will be leadership and economic strength rather than heads that will save the middle east. Russia and Iran know this too. It's why they're killing civilians, fueling militias, and indiscriminately bankrolling warlords with no intent to compromise.
>>55735958
>Saddam had WMD
really? Where?
>The war was just
In what sense is an invasion of foreign soil without a direct threat on you just?
>unprecedented honor
because nothing says unprecedented honor like using depleted uranium in your weapons right? Especially in urban setting with civilians, right? Or setting up torture facilities that spawned ISIS such as Abu Ghraib, right?
>Oil industry in Iraq exists because the CPA built it all
explain to me then how Saddam managed to foot the bill when Reagan thought he was still a nice guy for fighting those nasty Iranians
>USA never moved against Assad
>arming rebels
>sending in spec ops
>not a proxy war
wat
>no longer a proxy war
that's why I said until recently
You gave me a lot of strawmen, I thank you for that.
>>55726192
No, it's a legit argument, but also people tend to care more about people who are like them.
There is no reason to force yourself to feel sympathy for someone you genuinely don't care about. Like all human emotions, sympathy is primal.
also
>POO IN LOO
>>55726541
>implying taxpayers have any choice to where their money goes
They just targeted random civilians, that's why it's terrorism and disgraceful, and why it's gets attention. No one cares about a bunch of primitive sandniggers dying in war.
>>55736443
>WMD
Hundreds of tonnes of Iran-Iraq War era CW burred in what is now IS controlled territory. Fortunately, because of the invasion, it was discovered and destroyed by the coalition.
>Saddam didn' do nophin
>garbage conspiracies
>Abu Graib (even with the US torture) wasn't the most human prison (with the exception for white collar ones in Saudi Arabia) for 500 square miles
>Reagan did the Iran-Iraq war
You're madrassah education is showing.
>killing IS is moving against Assad
If you say it like that then I guess you're right.
>thanks for a lot of strawmen
i'm glad you like to shadow box too, why don't you try making a real argument? Perhaps you can ride Saddam's dick and show some graphics of how enlightened Gadaffi's government was?
>>55732109
>US is funding ISIS
ISIS is Israeli.
>>55734418
>Russia and Assad are funding ISIS
ISIS is Israeli.
>>55738544
Are you really this stupid? Or, are you roundaboutly implying I don't have sources for any of my claims?
If 1 then how do you respond to the image on my second post?
If 2 then test me.
