Can you imagine the reduction in the death toll had even a fraction of french citizens were allowed to carry? They talk about terrorists executing hostages one by one, like animals to the slaughter. I guess that's what happens when people become sheep.
>>55649808
They need to go napoleonic on these savages!
>>55649808
I'm sure gun control advocates will still blame guns somehow
Fight or flight isn't present in French people. They only have flight.
>>55649808
Is it too much to ask for a European pro-gun movement to pop up following this?
https://twitter.com/WBRCnews/status/665315987659599872
>>55650301
I wouldn't think so, but that's me talking from America. Doubt you'd get anything but a massive backfiring.
There should be a gun on the wall by the fire extinguisher.
Were the 1500 people in the auditorium trapped or were they stuck simply trying to squeeze through the exit?
Regardless, they should have rushed the terrorists instead of standing around for 15 minutes getting shot.
>>55650682
easy to say when you're not getting shot and when you thought you were going to have a nice night at some concert.
>>55649808
It's true. I read a witness quote where the witness says they sat their and shot people for 15 minutes straight. Imagine that shit, just sitting there waiting to get shot like a dog.
Europeans need guns, this isn't the last attack.
>>55650682
Not to mention that even in American stadiums they'd be searched via metal detector and no-gunned anyhow.
>>55650530
>backfiring
jej
>>55651033
More like running around frantically as you struggle to grasp what exactly is occurring or where the gunfire is coming from. I highly doubt an untrained civilian would even be able to formulate a plan of counter attack. Even if this happened in burgerville you'd most likely see a fuckton of friendly fire. Still I don't think you'd be better off unarmed. People just need to realize that when an event like this unfolds they have the upper hand and people will die in mass. It's a shitty situation all around.
>>55650318
that lcf faggot in the comments is fucking retarded.
>ISIS in counties with no gunz
>>55649808
Just like Americans prevent school shootings because people have guns, right? :^)
>>55651033
That's called a hostage situation. Demonstrably, having pro-gun laws will not help to defuse them:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Bain_murder-kidnappings
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1977_Hanafi_Siege
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D._B._Cooper
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discovery_Communications#2010_hostage_crisis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_Jewish_Federation_shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alta_View_Hospital_hostage_incident
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_Lake_City_Public_Library_hostage_incident
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Sacramento_hostage_crisis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Panama_City_school_board_shootings
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindhurst_High_School_shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Alabama_bunker_hostage_crisis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loveland_River_House_incident
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Nickel_Mines_School_shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnson_Space_Center_shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Hialeah_shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Carter_High_School_shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_C._Palczynski
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cokeville_Elementary_School_hostage_crisis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binghamton_shootings
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platte_Canyon_High_School_hostage_crisis
>>55649808
Unless they are well trained and have been in combat situation, I doubt it would have much effect
When this kind of shit happens, stress make you feel like you're drunk and your movments are hasardous
It would pretty much have been the same in the US (above all because I doubt every American carries a gun when going to the mall)
>>55650318
?
all medias says all terrorists are dead
>>55654664
We aren't allowed to carry guns in schools. That's why so many school shooting occur, they are easy targets.
>>55655104
One was arrested
>tfw he probably wont even be tortured and forced to eat his own penis
There should be special prisons for this kind
I can't believe he'll be allowed to see other inmates and enjoy the same rights as your average drug dealer
Show me an example of anywhere in the western world where a citizen with a gun has ever made a difference in a terrorist attack.
That's what I thought. Fuck off.
>>55654664
Based Nord
>>55655320
>Being anti-gun
>2012+3
>>55655530
I'm not anti-gun, you idiot.
But open-carry laws don't save anyone. They just create Rambo situations where civilians get hit.
>>55654664
See>>55655239
Vast majority of schools and hospitals, little to no resistance.
>>55655239
>>55655430
There's also mall shootings and all sorts of other shootings you retards. Schools are put particular emphasis on because it's shooting children.
Besides, there's the hostage situations I was talking about too.
>>55655603
Then what about all the non-school shootings?
>>55652480
that's why police run in unarmed right?
>>55649808
> Let's use something tragic for our own agenda
You are as bad as the SJW's. Go die.
>>55655320
there are tons you literal retard just look them up rather than asking to be spoonfed like a fucking handicapped faggot
>>55655239
>being so dumb you don't know this
Love how libtards argument are founded entirely on ignorance and lies
>>55655320
Simple, the attack is averted and the media doesn't report what didn't happen/doesn't get ratings/doesn't suit their agenda.
>>55655578
You are anti-gun, face up. There are no "rambo situations" or "wild-west shootouts" as is most commonly brought up. The only disadvantage to open carry is to the open carrier as they might be labeled as a priority target by an aggressor.
>>55649808
>the answer to gun violence is more guns
this is literally what gunfags believe
>>55655684
Those which happened in gun-free zones? What about them?
Had they defended themselves they would have faced prison time for assault and they'd be labeled islamophobes by society.
>>55655320
because, maybe, they don't try to do a terrorist attack where people can be armed?
>>55655916
Don't stoop to conspiracy theories, it doesn't help your case.
You can legitimately search Google for incidents where someone pulled their own weapon out and hurt civilians, sometimes even the purp got away.
>>55655982
>the answer to gun violence is disarming the population
You only think so because you don't know any better.
>>55655982
>the answer to terrorism is letting more terrorists into your country
this is literally what liberals believe
>>55655578
>I'm not anti-gun
>But open-carry laws don't save anyone
Yeah, I totally believe you.
>>55655982
>the answer to criminal gun violence is lawful citizens carrying a gun
fixed for you
Europe should AT LEAST allow former military and law enforcement to concealed carry.
>>55655989
That's bullshit and you know it.
>>55655578
>They just create Rambo situations where civilians get hit.
name one
>>55656072
>conspiracy theories
Like those my family have lived through? DGUs don't get reported by the media unless they're extremely high profile.
what are the chances this was a false flag
>>55656117
I gave you a genuine challenge, bud. Find me an incident where it helped. The burden of proof is on you.
Are you Amerifags retarded? Most of the deaths were at a concert hall. Not even Amerifags have guns in theaters. Example: Theater shooting in Aurora Colorado. You Ameritards are probably the least developed G20 nation... if you know what that is.
>>55655619
The point is to have guns to defend yourself.
Besides, would you try this shit if you suspected most people were carrying?
>Shall not be infringed
Here we go again.
When will these retarded gun nuts will ever learn?
>>55656180
If you want to explain, I'm all ears. It was your claim, time to defend it.
>>55655578
JIDF you could've at least waited a couple of days for all this to cool down. Literally no sensitivity at all.
>>55655827
Can you read, f4m
>>55656242
What are "gun-free zones"?
>>55655619
>There's also mall shootings and all sorts of other shootings you retards.
And despite all this, the US doesn't even lead the world in mass shooting deaths per capita.
>>55649808
>confused, scared people shooting guns in self defence in a crowded concert
What could go wrong?
>>55656256
"Most" people don't carry guns. Only those with an interest do, even in the USA.
>>55656322
Yeah, see >>55654664
>>55656242
>Not even Amerifags have guns in theaters
They should. Gun free zones are the dumbest shit ever thought up by the left.
>>55655916
>The only disadvantage to open carry is to the open carrier
no the disadvantage of open carry is the sort of jack holes who would swagger around with their big iron on their hip everywhere. Like it's the wild west... I don't even like being around some of the low rent level armed security you see some place, never mind just letting anyone carry anything, anywhere.
concealed carry is fine. more should be able to do that but open carry makes people uneasy. Due mostly to the sort who push the open carry issues and where they choose to do so. As shit hole as the USA can be in certain areas we still don't need 50 random people with visible guns in say Target on a Wednesday just because they can..
>>55649808
We just need to fucking carpet bomb the shit out of Irag and Syria, then have the US or NATO or someone occupy and repopulate the area with non-mudslimes. Rules of war don't apply to illegal combatants.
>>55656444
I would say it's pretty bad if you're competing with fucking Mexico and shithole African countries.
>>55650682
What has been said so far :
A girl said she was hiding behind a death corpse and got randomly shot in the foot.
An other dude said he was faking death.
Mostly people managed to ran away, some get instantly killed, terrorists literally were throwing grenades.
People also escaped by the roof and 4 people locked themselves in the WC and waited for the gign to assault the place.
>>55656211
>The burden of proof is on you
No, it's on the original claimant.
>>55649808
How come none of the attacks in the US have been stopped by civilians with guns? As far as I know, most of them keep killing until the cops show up.
>>55656461
Most people don't carry because it's a PITA to get a license in most places. The only interest is self defense, which is inherent human nature.
So explain how your "hostage situations" aren't orchestrated in "gun-free zones".
>>55649808
Typically the more people spend on a weapon, the less they tend to spend on themselves physically. I've met a few exceptions, but for the most part the heavier the fire power, the heavier the person.
Firearms are definitely useful, but if you don't continuously work with any weapon and build your familiarity with it, you might as well be handing them to the person you get into conflict with.
Because European countries don't need guns under any normal circumstances you absolutely autistic, obese human excrement.
These are terrorist attacks committed by recently imported shitskins via a humanitarian act and using guns brought over through overwhelmed Greek/Italian shores.
You do not base laws on single events but the normal running of a country. This is pure reactionary bullshit and you only what to justify open carry because you know the US is such a shithole that its actually necessary.
The problem is the Muslims, the lack of control and vetting process and the lack of resources to properly maintain and filter borders and shipments. The problem is not gun laws.
>>55656640
>total firearm death rate
Why are you moving the goal posts? Why are you including suicides? Why are you so retarded?
We may never get answers to these questions.
>>55656551
>projecting
If you can't trust yourself with a firearm that's on you. Sort that out before you distrust others.
>>55656640
>what are population ratios
This is a not so publicized incident where a concealed carry citizen made a difference. After being challenged by a concealed carry citizen, the shooter ran away and killed himself. (no way to know exactly why he did anything he did that day)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clackamas_Town_Center_shooting
For each one of these shootings, if you would just give people a $500 gun, ammo, and some training they would at least have a some chance of surviving and / or reducing the number that die.
>>55656640
>3.55
You are completely embarrassing yourself in this thread Norway. Time to take a break.
>>55656256
>>55656461
Exactly, most don't. That's why we aren't saying "keep the number of guns the same!"
More guns makes us safer.
>>55656893
>European countries don't need guns under any normal circumstances
Evidently, they do. This was just normal circumstance, a night on the town, until Achmed and his three brothers showed up.
>>55656461
Do you know how many shootings are stopped by civilians who have a conceal and carry? Google it for 5 minutes. It doesnt make our nation's news because thats against the medias current stance on gun control, let alone it getting to your country's news.
Sure, disregard the NRA reports, I would too, but peruse the internet for 5 minutes and you will change your mind.
>>55656640
>suicides count for 65% of the 10.5
Well, they got the right to kill themselves without pain, no big deal tbqh
>>55656893
>need
Self defense is a natural right, brother. It's not so much as granted by our 2nd Amendment, it's humbly protected. Need is never part of the equation.
>>55654664
you are such a deceitful cunt
>how many guns are allowed in schools?
zero
>how many guns did the hostages have in those situations?
fuck all
>how do most hostage situations get stopped?
with guns
here in Aus we had hostage situation. one guy tried to stop the muslim hostage taker, he got shot. cops raided and killed another hostage
so we have
>one guy dead by illegal guns
>one guy dead by legal police guns
kill yourself predators tool
>>55656978
>More guns makes us safer.
You're god damned right. When people ask me what's wrong with the USA, I tell them we don't have near enough guns.
>>55656752
Because the media clamps down on stories where the concealed carrier stopped it immediately:
http://blog.uritraining.com/?p=88
Mass shooters typically continue killing until they meet resistance from either a concealed carrier or police, at which point they shoot themselves. Though not always.
>>55651724
It's easy to get guns past metal detectors. Shoot the dude with the metal detector.
>>55655290
There were special prisons for these kind but liberals shut them down.
>>55656467
It's not the left. Its just that you guys still think its the wild west. I am pretty sure that you guys are the only G20 country(apart from maybe russia... not sure) that still has open carry, and the death penalty. Don't get me wrong, I love guns, I have 3 myself, but you guys need laws on buying and storing
>>55655578
>i'm not anti-gun
>but I don't like people carrying guns
>>55656752
>gunwatch blogspot se/2015/05/mass-killings-stopped-by-armed-citizens.html
Fuck you
"Remember, no virgins."
>>55656905
Not faring much better with just homicides to be honest.
>>55656934
I know of that, but it says per 100k person.
>>55656964
Nope, the morons who are insisting on forwarding their agenda because a terrorist attack happened in another country are.
>>55657066
I agree with that. People who want to kill themselves find another way to do it if they don't have guns.
>>55657245
>the dude with the metal detector
What the fuck kind of checkpoints do you have there there where it's just a guy with a wand and not walk-through ?
>>55655320
Events like this don't fit the narrative you are supposed to hear so they are not widely publicized.
http://godfatherpolitics.com/8635/armed-citizen-saves-cops-life/
Many crimes simply don't happen in the US because everyone knows people are armed. There will probably never be a Paris like attack in the US because the "bad guys" know there are many guns that will confront them.
>>55657003
Why am I not surprised that you're as retarded here as you are in /dpt/?
>>55657161
>with guns
Which also happen to be owned by a response force for these situations, not civilians.
You don't get it. People need training even if they have guns to deal with it in such a situation.
>>55655320
>Given an example, as asked
>Will minimize it, deflect
>>55657163
I used to be pro-gun control, did a speech for a class in 8th grade advocating for gun control. All I had heard were emotional arguments from people who were scared of them.
But then I grew up, took the red pill, and now here I am.
>>55654893
I carry a gun when I go to football games, when I go to the mall, when I pick my daughter up from school, it basically never leaves my side. Illegal or not, I'm not going to be caught dead without it.
>>55657360
>storing
What is the purpose of a defensive firearm you cannot access in time to defend yourself?
6,000,000 Jews agree!!!
Just do what they tell you to do..........
>>55656752
Look up the mass shootings in America in the last few years that were highly publicized. Guess how many occurred in "gun-free" zones?
>>55657360
>assuming we think it's the wild west
Uh... you keep using that phrase. I do not believe it means what you think it means.
>>55657462
>Not faring much better with just homicides to be honest.
Now factor in just how many firearms there in the US per capita (though no one can know for certain as they aren't registered).
3.55 per 100k? 90% of which is gang-related violence? We're doing damn fine, thank you very much.
>>55657469
It was an event guarded by soldiers though
It isnt the same as a random civilian stopping terrorist in a fucking mall
>>55656930
>If you can't trust yourself with a firearm that's on you
No I trust myself just fine.
The issue is modern day people can't even seem to show responsibility on any level. They can't seem to use cellphones in a responsible manner, we still have a huge DUI problem and of course a large chunk of the population can't even seem to drive well when cold sober.
so I really don't want to see guns on hips everywhere
plus open carry changes the dynamics of everything around them due to a gun being in play, even if it's not even close to be used. Just seeing the gun on the person's hip as he is bitching at someone changes the dynamic of that confrontation.
open carry is a horrible idea.. CCW is fine with the proper training etc but just everyone being able to open carry is a bad idea.
>>55657462
A large proportion of US firearm homicides are gang-on-gang; i.e. beneficial to society.
>>55657814
Actually it was an off duty security guard that killed both the terrorists in the parking lot before they even entered the building.
>>55655290
I think that even for France, and seeing as this is (and should be considered) a matter of national security, there's a chance that the mudslime will be subjected to enough torture to at least obtain some information. As much as it deserves, probably not, but something is something.
>>55657360
>you guys still think its the wild west
DUDE WEED LOL
>>55656641
>terrorists literally were throwing grenades.
Lel, it's like that one airport mission in CoD
>>55657829
Open carry isn't always an attempt at projecting force.
Where do you live? It gets hot as fuck in southern states. Not every day is jacket weather.
>>55657958
Mexican suggests torture....
Well we know where his morales are at...
>>55657628
If you want to be a victim and wait for the police to show up be my guest just don't tell others to be so blasé with their life
remember that they have no responsibilty for your well being just to arrest criminals
remember that they are less accurate than criminals
remember that they might shoot you too
Why am I responding anyway I'm sure you know the value of guns thanks to your time in the IDF
>>55649808
Instead of 150 dead in one event .. Every how many years?? They could have 10,000 dead per year like your country ;)
You good at math.
Go kill yourself
>>55657829
You assume that every dumbass on the street is going to go around strapping. This is an incorrect assumption. To aquire a gun you must purchase it at a gun store (or a street fence or whatever). The owners of said store can, and often will, refuse to sell guns to individuals they believe cannot be trusted with said gun.
>>55658193
Waterboarding is legal in your country you fat fuck. Do you seriously think that one of under ten individuals who cause over 150 innocent deaths does not deserve torture of any kind? Even for the legitimate use of obtaining information?
Where the fuck is the morale in that? Then again, you don't need to use your brains to order more mcdonalds.
>>55658219
#1: I do definitely not trust untrained civilians to handle the situation better.
#2: I don't see many hostage situations that have been averted because a civilian had guns.
>>55658235
>le guns cause homicides epic maymay
>>55658484
That wasn't really a hostage situation though. They were here to kill as much people as possible.
>>55657462
Over half of US homicides are black-on-black. Frankly, I consider it a job well done.
You pull that half out, and we've got the rate of say, Belgium.
We just love guns and if you try to take them, we'll shoot you in the fucking face.
>>55657521
If you're this bad with statistics and logic, I'd hate to see your programs, snownigger.
>>55657680
I was sort of the same way. Never really had an opinion on guns, but because I live in a place they're relatively uncommon, it just wasn't something I thought about. All I knew of guns when I was younger was that there were a bunch of school shootings and shit, and people were frightened.
>>55656893
>This is pure reactionary bullshit and you only what to justify open carry because you know the US is such a shithole that its actually necessary.
well now we know that france got terror cells
>>55658525
"NOICE"
"NOICE"
"NOICE"
>>55658719
You have no idea how bad it is...
>>55658484
1. do you trust yourself?
2.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alta_View_Hospital_hostage_incident
hospital
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindhurst_High_School_shooting
school
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Alabama_bunker_hostage_crisis
bus full of 5 year olds
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Nickel_Mines_School_shooting
school
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Carter_High_School_shooting
school
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cokeville_Elementary_School_hostage_crisis
school
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platte_Canyon_High_School_hostage_crisis
school
Easy targets for someone intent to do harm
all because they have demonised guns
Ok kikescum tell me why nobody ever takes a gun club or a shooting range hostage?
>>55656461
>Most people don't carry guns
Which is good for the sake of making things less of a cluster fuck
It's better to have a few people effectively return fire while everyone else gets the fuck out of the way than to have everyone try to return fire at once.
>>55659190
Tell me why the US is the ONLY country with shootings this frequent first.
>>55659190
>school shooting
i wonder why no one is shooting military base or police stations
here is your dispute
>>55659190
>Australia
>Not shitposting
Strewth m8, I'm crying tears of joy.
>>55657814
A lot of former and current service members carry
Just saiyan
>>55658027
>Remember, no Arabic
>>55659290
This is what I already told you, you fucking retard! The US does not lead the world in mass shooting deaths per capita.
Hmm.. what country is that at #1?
>>55657467
How is that even relevant? Just shoot the dudes at the checkpoint.
>>55656752
The media doesn't report on attempted murder for the same reason that people don't get Nobel Prizes for attempted chemistry.
There's no buzz to be had from it.
>>55652480
>Even if this happened in burgerville you'd most likely see a fuckton of friendly fire.
Only when the police arrive.
On a more serious note, they really need to let people conceal carry at stadiums and theaters. If anyone is going to go apeshit a shoot up a place it is going to be places with a lot of people.
>>55659290
mental illness
"melting pot" (pic related)
niggers
Australia has shootings too you know, 2 years ago every major city had several shootouts and bikie wars and we only have 23 million people
>>55659435
Yeah, but guns per capita here is fucking huge as well. People have fucking artillery shells in their basement from WW2.
>>55659789
Badass
>>55656905
Ayy GTP, fancy seeing you outside of /o/
>mfw I was going to say something about him moving goal posts and saw the replies
>>55659332
I can't tell if you're agreeing with me or not but an Israeli being against guns is like a fish being against water
>>55659789
>Yeah, but guns per capita here is fucking huge as well.
Not really. In the United States, we have (at least) 112 guns for every 100 people. In Norway it's 31 guns for every 100 people.
Yet still, we're 6th on the list for mass shooting deaths per capita.
The solution to moving further down the list? More guns.
>>55660108
>Not really. In the United States, we have (at least) 112 guns for every 100 people. In Norway it's 31 guns for every 100 people.
That's the official list, who's owners are registered and licensed to carry guns (yes, you can carry guns with license). The number of unregistered guns are estimated to be much, much higher.
>>55659435
norfag btfo by an /o/ shitposter
>>55660202
>The number of unregistered guns are estimated to be much, much higher.
The thing is, in the US, we just don't know. High estimates suggest that the United States may have as many as 400,000,000 guns. There is no way you have that many.
Literally no chance.
>>55660274
I do it for free.
And also because, as a shitposter, I have the civic duty to give back to the community once in a while.
>>55655837
>It's not okay to use real world events in an argument
>No anon, don't use an instance in which unarmed citizens were slaughtered by terrorists to promote armed citizens
OP speaking. This is you.
>>55649808
also consider what would happen if every muslim had guns and explosives
>>55649808
I don't get the american logic.
"if people from charlie hebdo had guns in their workplace they would have survive"
"if french bystanders in the street had guns they could have defend themselves"
"if french people going to the theatre had guns they would have fend off a hostage situation"
this is plainly stupid.
first of all, we are against guns in europe, because we rae civilized.
Meaning 1 in 20 people in france knows how to fire one, let alone having try one once.
how can we compete against trained fanatics striking at random with all their hate, blinded by their fanatism to the point of being inhumane beasts?
plus, we do not need any advice from a country having over 9k people dying because of guns.
>>55655982
Oh look, this straw man again.
>>55654664
We're not allowed to carry firearms in schools at all, legally.
The US would actually have the same rate of gun crime as belgium or luxembourg if you only measured it by whites.
>>55660274
He's gone to ask his supervisor what to do when a united front consistently destroys every point on his list
>>55656641
Fucking hate when Ts nade-spam.
>>55660761
every fucking year
>>55649808
They had a trained bodyguard at charlie hebdo, too bad there only so much you can do with a handgun against Ak47s
I can also imagine the number of mass shootings that would happen if every hood rat was allowed to carry
Honestly this gun control discussion is nonsensical
>>55649808
>carrying in a party
>>55660761
Last US shooting, 4 people dead.
Last France shooting, over 100.
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
>>55656447
>Implying people who carry are untrained panicky sheep
You're English, so I wouldn't expect you to know any better.
>>55660761
>first of all, we are against guns in europe
That's the problem, you dummy.
No guns, no freedom.
Know guns, know freedom.
Maybe the next time Dirty Achmed and the boyz swing around, you can send them straight to allah with a .45.
>>55660761
they're going to kill you all and rape your women
you call us violent but we protect our own kind and will survive this islamic crusade against our civilization
what will you say when it is your turn to sit on your knees and either convert to Islam or be beheaded? "at least i am civilized?" you euros are a fucking joke of what you were just 50 years ago, your ancestors are ASHAMED.
>>55660932
>Honestly this gun control discussion is nonsensical
Only if you're on the side supported by no empirical evidence whatsoever.
So yes, if you're a graboid, it might not make any sense.
a homicide every day or a terrorist attack killing 200 people every 200 days
>>55649808
Can you imagine the reduction in the death toll if Americans weren't killing and angering mudslimes in the middle east daily?
>>55649808
Its a tragedy
>>55656211
http://hypeline.org/yes-guns-have-saved-lives-in-chicago/
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/11/01/police-concealed-carry-license-holder-kills-armed-gunman/
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/breaking-news/os-armed-victim-shoots-suspect-orlando-20151026-story.html
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/10/11/police-concealed-permit-holder-shoots-kills-armed-robber-connecticut-cafe/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social
This one has 12.
http://controversialtimes.com/issues/constitutional-rights/12-times-mass-shootings-were-stopped-by-good-guys-with-guns/
There's a lot more but these are some ones I found on my facebook feed.
Have fun.
>>55649808
All of this could have been avoided if Paris just posted these signs for the terrorists to see.
>>55661202
You're doing it wrong. You're supposed to add in fallout 4 after the spoiler.
>>55661142
You dont have a single evidence, empirical or else, to backup that a few people having handguns would matter here, especially when talking about bombs
Also I dont want your guns tyrone, keep them
Here's a good one.
>A 14-year-old student showed up to his middle school dance carrying a .25-caliber pistol. He opened fire inside the dance, killing one teacher and wounding another as well as two students. The rampage ended when James Strand, owner of the banquet hall the dance was happening in, grabbed his personal shotgun and confronted the 14-year-old killer. Strand held the teen at gunpoint for 11 minutes before finally getting him to drop the weapon and lie on the ground and searching him for additional weapons.
Yet people don't want guns in schools.
>>55655982
But you already can't get guns in france, so therefore the 158 deaths are just part of your perfect gunfree™ society, right?
Can't wait until the next batch of innocent lives to be cast away for this perfect utopia of liberalist mutliculturalism, political correctness and defenselesness.
>>55660761
>>55660863
Holy shit did you just change proxys?
where is the norfag?
I guess here we go again
>we are against guns because we are civilised
It's the opposite
>how can we compete against trained fanatics?
train fanatically
but for that to happen Europe would need to uncúck itself so that decent people weren't afraid of using guns in self defence
I will make Jews will help with this
>See the strong Israelis
>Bastion of light in ME
>We must learn to defend ourselves like our Jewish allies
>>55660761
>1 in 20 people in france knows how to fire one, let alone having try one once
Literally practice
>>55661339
It's all so simple...
Gun control really works..
Woah..
>>55661469
>2 people kill over 100
Is it that easy in France?
>>55655619
The only mall shooting that I can think of was put down by a guy that was CCing
Mass shooters shit their pants and don't know what to do when the bullets start coming back
>>55661202
If this is true and you ruined my game ending, I'm gonna jihad your ass.
>>55661563
>Two people were killed and a third was seriously wounded at Clackamas Town Center near Portland, Oregon when a rifle-toting gunman opened fire in in the busy food court. Nick Meli, a shopper in the mall, drew a personally owned firearm on the gunman, who immediately retreated to a service corridor and killed himself. Meli did not fire his weapon for fear of striking bystanders yet authorities say his actions caused the gunman to cease his attack and end his own life.
Dude literally killed himself because he couldn't handle the pressure from someone shooting back.
>>55660932
>They had a trained bodyguard at Charlie Hebdo
>Trusting someone else to defend your life for you
No surprise one poor bastard with a 9mm didn't halt the attack. This is why you should be self reliant. How can you justify being shot to death while unarmed? It's wrong.
>>55655320
Being in the military and their him towns I'm pretty sure has eliminated thousands of terrorist threats
>>55655320
Over here loser.
>>55661298
>2015
>terrorists using Automatic Rifles
Maybe it is our fault guys ... has anyone tried talking to them?
>>55661469
>a few people having handguns
I think people should carry around machine guns.
>>55661561
There's atleast 4 people responsible
It's that much harder than in the US apparently, where 19 people can kill 3000
>>55661745
How can you justify getting shot to death because you draw offensive shit at all
Islam is the cancer, "muh guns" is just another misdirection form the problem
>>55662064
>It's that much harder than in the US apparently, where 19 people can kill 3000
With a plane not a gunman. Don't use false comparisons you look dumb enough already.
>>55655320
literally every criminal in Brazil is stopped by a person with a gun on the spot
>>55662132
The death toll of today was with both bombs and guns
I naturally assumed you were just playing dumb, not the other alternative
>>55661080
Truth
>>55662266
Yeah you can stop people with guns with other guns pretty easily. Can't really stop a plane.
But since you used that example, why do Air Marshals have guns for then?
13/11 was an inside job.
How do you explain all the liquid human at ground zero? Bullets can't melt people.
>terrorist shoots up these anti-fun faggot's workplace or some shit
>as they piss their pants
>they think
>"I wish I had a gun"
>>55649808
We wake up and realize that Islam is at war with the world. It will never stop. It can't be reasoned with. Giving peace a chance will never work. The only goal of Islam is either to convert or destroy. There is no middle ground.
The moderate and liberal Muslims are deceived. The fundamentalists are the true face of Islam.
You cannot go to bed with a viper and then act surprised when it bites you.
The entire world needs to unite against the evil of Islam. This means Jews, Nazis, Christians, Buddhists, Atheists, Pagans and more. ALL OF US must unite. There can be no more division. All of our petty differences must be put aside.
This is truly the last crusade, and if we fail our descendants will be slaves to the evil religion of Islam.
We cannot fail. This is the great war of our lifetime.
>>55662366
>Yeah you can stop people with guns with other guns pretty easily
Apparently not since US have one of the highest deaths stats by firearms in the world
I dont exactly get your air marshalls analogy
>>55654664
underrated post
>>55656641
>locked themselves in the WC
WC?
>>55660761
>first of all, we are against guns in europe, because we rae civilized.
Okay, no real argument to counter here. Just your standard French snobbery.
Meaning 1 in 20 people in france knows how to fire one, let alone having try one once.
Are you implying that because barely anybody in Europe has any weapons experience that arming them is not an option? Experience doesn't fall out of the fucking sky, you know. We here in America TRAIN PRIOR to carrying a handgun.
how can we compete against trained fanatics striking at random with all their hate, blinded by their fanatism to the point of being inhumane beasts?
You can't. Isn't that MY point (am OP)? In your current state, you just have to run away or play dead and wait for help to arrive. I don't know about French law enforcement, but I can draw a handgun in a hell of a lot less time than it takes for police to show up here, and at least die with a gun in my hand.
>>55662521
it means water closet, (the restroom) we still use it in mexico
>>55649808
Can you imagine the destruction if they lived even further under the lie of equality and freedom, like Amreica?
Can you imagine what would happen if every muslim soldier on Europe's ground had guns?
Clearly only the rightful citizens of a nation should have a right to defend it.
>>55662513
>Apparently not since US have one of the highest deaths stats by firearms in the world
Well how else will you stop a gunman? Stabbing them? gotta kill them somehow.
Also those stats include suicide. You've been on here long enough you should naturally know this shit
>>55662513
remove suicides
and black violence
America is safer than Australia
>>55662513
>Apparently not since US have one of the highest deaths stats by firearms in the world
Not even fucking close.
>>55649808
as once the mighty roman empire fell and rome crumbled to dust we are witnessing the beginning of the end of Europe. The barbarian hordes have entered what comes next will be swift and violent, theres no going back now. ISIS pulled off the biggest trojan horse ever! not through a wooden horse but through mass migration
>>55655320
All the terror plots that were not even conceived because they don't want to be fucking shot before Allah Akbaring themselves.
>>55662633
Dont pretend the majority of those deaths are the bad guy getting killed by good guy, no one is fooled
>>55662644
>Remove black violence
Now we're going back on topic, niggers and sandniggers, kudos
>>55662656
Yes it does
>>55658235
The only crime gun laws prevent are autistic retards wigging out and shooting up schools. Anyone with any criminal inclination or street smarts will get an illegal gun if they want to do crime, and virtually all criminals use illegal/stolen guns to do their crimes (because if you kill someone with a goddamn gun you are registered to own, the cops will find that shit).
>>55662810
>Dont pretend the majority of those deaths are the bad guy getting killed by good guy, no one is fooled
No a majority of them is suicides dumb ass.
what can realistically be implemented to curve islamic extremist domestically? keep in mind it has to be realistic -- can't just be something like "oh just gas them all"
>>55662862
Good, what's left ?
>>55662820
>The only crime gun laws prevent are autistic retards wigging out and shooting up schools.
Which could be stop if people had guns.
>A 14-year-old student showed up to his middle school dance carrying a .25-caliber pistol. He opened fire inside the dance, killing one teacher and wounding another as well as two students. The rampage ended when James Strand, owner of the banquet hall the dance was happening in, grabbed his personal shotgun and confronted the 14-year-old killer. Strand held the teen at gunpoint for 11 minutes before finally getting him to drop the weapon and lie on the ground and searching him for additional weapons.
>>55662810
>Yes it does
Perhaps if you fail to grasp the nuance of the situation.
Not really surprised that you're so dumb, being that you're a frenchman and all.
Try to keep up.
>>55662911
Illegal guns, which aren't affected by gun laws at all.
>>55662911
A few thousand homicides, the majority of which are perpetrated by negroids on other negroids.
If it happened in an american city the same shit would happen. Most people dont carry. At best the cops are more effective because they can fight back.
>>55662810
>statistics are not important
>>55662963
>It doesnt because I say so
>Also ur dumb
Always a pleasure
>>55662994
Then how are they SO. MUCH. MORE. Prevalent than in EU ?
>>55663027
So you agree that guns are irrelevant here ?
>>55663043
>statistics are not important
I wasnt sarcastic when I said kudos, niggers and sandniggers are the actual problem, I dont care about guns at all
>>55661080
This is cold, unadulterated truth.
Fight or die.
>>55661298
>found on my facebook feed.
>>55663164
>Then how are they SO. MUCH. MORE. Prevalent than in EU ?
EU has less niggers obviously. Too bad you have more Muslims, although I'm sure they will never start shooting random civilians with guns at- oh.
>>55663233
Welcome to college, where Facebook is necessary if you want to network.
>>55663234
They do shoot civilians, dont worry
How come they do it so much less than in the US ?
>>55663425
Are you going to keep asking stupid questions or do I have to baby you through this?
>>55663164
no criminals are the problem
blacks are more likely to commit crimes
muslims are more likely to commit crimes
doesn't mean there are no white criminals
law abiding citizens of all colours need to excersize their right to defend themselves
>>55663272
Yes, if you're a social retard incapable of forming good connections with people in person.
>>55663164
>So you agree that guns are irrelevant here ?
What do you mean? Guns are irrelevant in the number of homicides, we already know that.
Blacks are the true menace. It appears that Mudslimes are the menace to Yurep.
Buy some guns, you stinky cheesefucker.
>>55659332
People have tried shooting up police stations in the US. Death toll count is 1, the length of the attack is measured in seconds.
>>55649808
hurr durr murica good morning faggot logic
can you imagine the reduction of faggotry if your father did not cum inside your mother? lets think about that for a moment you cunt
>>55663486
No, you just have to answer the fucking question
You argue that weaponizing Europe will solve the problem, I see no such solution in US, so defend your fucking point
>>55663566
>Blacks are the true menace. It appears that Mudslimes are the menace to Yurep.
We can agree on that
>Buy some guns
Why would I do that when it obviously doesnt work for the US ?
>>55659332
>i wonder why no one is shooting military base
They actually have shot up a military base in the usa.
The base was a gun free zone. not joking. thanks liberals. and some islam guy went in with a gun and opened fire.
>>55663565
No, most clubs and groups post most of their news on facebook groups. Get over it.
>>55663743
>Why would I do that when it obviously doesnt work for the US ?
They're fun, and they will also probably save your life.
Consider that the United States has about 300,000 defensive firearm uses per year, but only 8,000 homicides.
The fact of the matter is that you don't have to kill someone for your gun to be useful. Merely having the gun is often a good enough deterrent.
>>55649808
You are at concert of one direction, somebody shoots "accidentaly", then another and so on, sounds like a great idea when you are gonna put it in action?
>>55663743
How many questions are you going to ask me? It's getting tiring, like I'm talking to an 8 year old. You haven't even bothered to research the counter opinion, it's like I'm spoon feeding you everything you should know by now.
>>55663858
>Mexico advocating for gun control.
Yeah I'm sure gun control is working out good for you guys.
>>55663858
Wat
- OP
>>55663776
Not ones that actually matter. I bet you're not even studying engineering.
>>55663828
Not to mention that, even without bullets, guns are pretty great. You'd be surprised how useful a solid chunk of metal can be in a great variety of situations!
>>55663858
>mexico
>lecturing anyone on gun safety
Try again
>>55663743
> I see no such solution in US, so defend your fucking point
Do you trust the government with your life (especially after tonight)? I dont know about you but I dont trust the government to make a ham sandwich let alone protect me 24/7.
A gun is the fastest response time of anything. There is no reason to not own a gun.
>>55664062
>I bet you're not even studying engineering.
What a coincidence, I am studying computer engineering and am currently studying for an exam Monday while pausing to reply to you.
>>55663828
>They're fun, and they will also probably save your life.
They'll also probably get me shot in the back by Ahmed and his 6 friends
Now I get your "guns are fun" and I dont want you to stop using them
But consider for a second that the US actually have an homicide rate 16 times higher than France
And realize that I may not see how it solve my muslims problem
>>55663861
>STOP ASKING QUESTIONS
You tried to be cheeky, I asked you a simple question, you got triggered because you know the answer, the end.
Europe does not have a gun problem
It has a muslim problem
![11219433_901172859959034_6245803087396983860_n[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/1NHYxKW.jpg "11219433_901172859959034_6245803087396983860_n[1].jpg")
>>55664134
>>55664185
This image makes a similar argument.
>>55664185
>misquoting me to try to win an argument
I didn't say stop I already explained to you how annoying it is to baby you through this, besides someone else already gave you my answer
>>55664185
>But consider for a second that the US actually have an homicide rate 16 times higher than France
Look at the murder rates in the US. The vast majority are focused in cities with extremely strict gunlaws.
>But how could that be? gun laws prevent those?
Murder is also illegal. Shooting 160 people in france on friday november 13th is also illegal but that didnt effect shit.
>>55664134
>Do you trust the government with your life (especially after tonight)? I dont know about you but I dont trust the government to make a ham sandwich let alone protect me 24/7.
I dont trust the general pop either to make good and fair use of their newly aquired right of life and death over everyone
>>55664295
This is now your 3rd post where you avoid the question and I have a feeling you're going on your 4th
>>55656640
>>55655619
>>55654664
NORWAY YES
>>55662208
Last stand perk OP plz nerf
>>55664401
>They do shoot civilians, dont worry
How come they do it so much less than in the US
You ask me the same question again and again and when I tell you that I'm tired of babying you you keep asking.
So I'll just copy and paste it.
EU has less niggers obviously. Too bad you have more Muslims, although I'm sure they will never start shooting random civilians with guns at- oh.
>>55660202
Every country has unregistered guns
>>55664359
The vast majority of all crimes are focused in cities
Because of many factors
You misquoted on the 2nd part, I actually never said that
>>55664401
>I dont trust the general pop either to make good and fair use of their newly aquired right of life and death over everyone
So you dont trust them with cars or knives?
If you are living in fear that you could be stabbed/shot/ran over at any moment, the terrorists have already won.
I work in a gunshop and know that ~70% of my town is armed.
>>55664564
>The vast majority of all crimes are focused in cities. Because of many factors
Obviously one of those factors is not guns/access to guns.
>You misquoted on the 2nd part, I actually never said that
Im aware.
>>55650682
Carson pls go
This is all so cool
>>55664511
I actually asked once, and then you started sperging out
Now you're dodging again, but it's cool, I actually dont need your answer, you can stop replying now
>>55664567
>So you dont trust them with cars or knives?
Absolutely not, hence why I dont blindly assume people know how to drive or handle kitchen furniture around me
That's not fear, that's called having a brain because I bet you act just like me
>>55662208
>citizen
arent they always cops in brazil?
>>55664253
Saved
>>55664726
> sperging out
Huh you convey my annoyance with you as sperging? No wonder you're anti-gun your bad at reading situations.
>>55657197
You will notice that every shooting got stopped by a concealed carrier and not by an open carrier. Open carry is the most retarded thing that ever existed. If I'm an assailant I simply would target the people with guns first. With CC you don't know who's armed. Not counting the libtards who call the cops when you're strolling around with a shotgun on the shoulder.
>>55650301
unfortunately, GB will shove its greasy head into the picture and kindly remind you that its
2015
0
1
5
>mfw yurobros will finally get the right to bear arms in the next decade
Welcome on board the freedom train brothers
>>55664726
>Absolutely not, hence why I dont blindly assume people know how to drive or handle kitchen furniture around me.That's not fear, that's called having a brain because I bet you act just like me
And amazingly I dont fear my neighbors, coworkers and the guy at the gas station even though I know they all have guns.
>>55664858
Open carry is annoying but I think it should remain legal.
>>55664824
>I'm anti-gun
Little reminder here
The discussion started with someone who think weaponizing the EU cities will solve the problem
I dont care about your guns and dont want to take them, but I dont see how multiplying my national homicide rate by 19 solve my muslim problem
