>the ISS will be decommissioned in your lifetime
>tfw you remember the first piece going up in '98 and school making a very big deal about space and how cool it was
can we have a space thread?
these days nobody seems to care about space like they used to.
>>55575397
who fuckin cares about space, you wont ever go to space, u will just look at pictures and videos of space like those nerds who watch people play video games on youtube. fuk space its over priced madness, theres nothing in space for us but danger! nothing exist outside of earth!!!
/thread
>>55575397
It was just inertia from the Cold War space race.
Don't expect any space breakthroughs from capitalist society.
>>55575494
Sadly, but true.
>>55575494
I really dont get why. Space can be profitable. especially where mining and tourism is concerned.
it isnt yet, but it could be, if it was invested in
>>55575397
Imagine for a second that you're wrong
>sudden economic boom following trump's reelection
>renewed interest in space exploration
>manned mission to Mars becomes a reality
>person comes out of the ship and takes the landmark first step onto the red planet
>it's a nigger for "diversity" sake
>first words on Mars "muh dick"
>>55575476
0/10
>>55575476
Time for another game of Bait or Tard!
audience, cast your votes.
>>55575397
I care about space. Here's a short video showing the construction of the ISS and the timeline.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgfWH3g9kpY
>>55575476
0/10
>>55575614
>Space can be profitable
It's a very long-term and risky investment in unfamiliar area, and it has to be a really big investment too. That's nearly all possible red flags raised for a capitalist.
>>55575661
>trump
>nigger astronauts
literally what? Nobody gets funding until they drop their PC programs under God Emperor Trump's reign
white supremacy btfo
>>55575775
thats pretty neat
>>55575494
With that type of thinking it should be no wonder why you're poor. There are asteroids carrying enough metals to cure inevitable resource deficiencies were going to face and are currently facing. The supply will be so great the cost will be extremely low to the consumer. I don't think how we manage and allocate resource has much to do with the benefits we achieve from space exploration. The United States thought the Opportunity rover wouldn't last but for a few days or weeks and it ended up lasting for over 10 years. We have made incredible gains in the areas of robotics and propulsion technology since the end of the Cold War, it just doesn't seem like it to normal people but the Universe is too complicated for average people to understand. That's why religion still exists.
>>55575993
yeah but that's how shit got started in the first place. We would have cars without those risks.
its why Space X and other space companies exist. For now, they are just nasa Contractors, but in the future, they could be contracting for other space ventures as well
There's been a lot of good movies about space lately. Something tells me that we may have some great space program real soon.
>>55575397
your posting on an anti-science shill board so you wont get much sympathy here.
most of this board unironically believes people like ted cruz would make a good POTUS
>>55576204
now that you mention it, there does seem to be a resurgence of public interest in space, if only in media.
I mean, we're even getting a new Star Trek TV show.
And Nasa is hiring Astronauts
>>55575775
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=II7QBLt36xo
>>55575476
you're convincing nobody
>>55575397
>tfw you will never go to space or visit another planet/moon/anything
feelsexceptionallybadman
>>55576652
im ok with just dreaming, as long as I can at least see that something is happening
>>55576135
>>55576139
No, nothing will happen.
Things like Mars rovers and various probes are only possible because 1)your government is not, after all, entirely for-profit organization and 2)it is outrageously rich and can spare a bit of money on such programs.
A proper capitalist will sooner hang himself than touch a huge long term risky investment like asteroid mining or something. It's not a rational action in terms of maximizing profit.
Nasa sub going to europa, excited about that. Stuff has to end, I saw the end of the shuttle program, but now spacex is going, and China is building a space station. IMO though we need an orbital elevator
>>55576797
You didn't read what I wrote. How we allocate resource (AKA economics) doesn't affect how profitable space is. If it wasn't profitable to a capitalist society, it wouldn't be to a communist or socialist one either.
The Earth is flat. The ISS doesn't exist
>>55576797
Damn Russia, you tell it like it is
>>55577051
>If it wasn't profitable to a capitalist society, it wouldn't be to a communist or socialist one either.
Socialist or communist society does not operate with financial profit as a main motivator.
>>55575476
>>55576524
Great video. I love the Space Shuttle. I got to see Atlantis at Kennedy Space Center a while back, it was incredible. I cried a bit when it was unveiled. Discovery is my favorite though.
>>55577227
A profit in a capitalist society can only be generated if a product or service is provided at an efficently rate and is relevant to society. Even our most useless shit still creates jobs and keeps our credit going which is how we are capable of giving everyone a car and a home in this country. In regards to space, our government will provide initial funding but there is plenty to generate a profit from space exploration.
>>55575993
>The New World can be profitable
It's a very long-term and risky investment in unfamiliar area, and it has to be a really big investment too. That's nearly all possible red flags raised for a capitalist.
>>55577337
>In regards to space, our government will provide initial funding
That's literally the only way it can work: with government providing the bulk of the funding in the foreseeable future. That's because government has considerations apart from profit: international image, defence considerations, ratings, etc.
Still, I wouldn't hold my breath.
>>55577507
Which is why he was funded by government, lel.
>>55575476
>>55575700
Tard'd bait.
>>55576817
Not only spaceX.
Look up at Bigelow airspace, once tested, their space habitats could be larger, cheaper, comfy, and make the old tin cans like ISS literally obsolete.
Every serious space agency is competing right now to create the next-level space vector for cargo, or human flight: NASA's SLS, ESA has a project for a single-stage-to-orbit spaceplane, God knows what's going in the chink countries.
We relied for too long on old vectors, and fucking obsolete technology for today's standards. Time to decommission the old crap and make up something new, because, you know, it's the current year.
Plus, the ongoing testing on new-type propulsion systems like the infamous em-drive, are opening a whole new range of possibilities for space exploration.
Space will be cheaper in the near future, spaceships will steadily become lighter and safer, and when we'll be able to actually gather resources (asteroid redirecting/mining), refine them and build ships direcly out there... Ooo boy, let the fun begin.
>>55577235
?
the space shuttle was a useless piece of shit that set space exploration back 40+ years
>>55577615
Right, just saying its really disheartening to see people think space colonization is pointless, when most of humanity's greatest accomplishment couldn't have happened without the colonization of the Americas.
>>55577777
I don't think it's pointless. I just don't think we can make it if we expect short-term profit. And by short term I mean, like "in our lifetime".
>>55575397
Why not send syrians to ISS as food for astronauts
>>55577777
Quints never lies
>>55577634
Forgot pic. FUG.
Bigelow airspace's B330
>better radiation and ballistics shielding
>330 m3 (210% more USABLE VOLUME)
>way cheaper than a common ISS module
>>55575494
Isn't Russia planning a new one with China?
>>55578065
Pretty comfy.
But long-term human spaceflight is still problematic, because space fucks up human body in various ways.
>>55578120
We're planning a lot of things. New space station. space plane, moon base, etc, etc. I'm not optimistic, unless we get an economic boom out of nowhere or something.
Its pretty funny that there is such little interest in space because of "lack of profit"
The first agency to master spaceflight will have the world in the palm of its hands.
None of the current "known" space programs are ambitious enough to do this though.
>>55578219
The old space race started in the 50s, long before any economic boom.
>>55578161
That's why it is really important to improve and work further on radiation shielding.
Until now, we've been playing in "easy-mode", helped earth's magnetosphere (which provides quite some protection from cosmic rays and solar radiation)
For long range trips, we'll need bigger ships, better shielding and a propulsion capable of considerably shortening the fly-time.
All of these things are being researched right now, and will be avaiable tech in a relatively short time.
>>55578219
There will be no need to invest a shitton of shekels like in the past, if the tech will be implemented, improved and made cost-effective as we're doing right now.
>>55575775
I had no idea it no longer had that one tower sticking out the top. Top as in how it's usually presented.
>>55575397
The ISS, like the Space Scuttle has always been a massive money hole for little benefit.
There was never anything the Space Scuttle did that couldn't have been done better by something much cheaper. There was never a use for the ISS that could justify its insane cost.
Space is awesome. But these projects have robbed funding from space exploration ( which should be done by robots, and remote control ) for decades. When they are abandoned, think of all the better space science uses the money could go to. Probes to every moon. More and bigger space telescopes. Etcetera.
>>55578912
Is not only the radiation, even being in 0g for a considerable amount of time fucks you up real good (osteoporosis for one, look on wikipedia about the effects of space on the human body)
Also, bacterias in space spontaneously enter 'roid mode
>>55577507
Christopher Columbus != space exploration.
Ol Chris set out because they new money was to be had by finding a better route to the far east, he just didn't do his math right and vastly underestimated the size of the earth and well rain into North America while he was at it.
Space is totally different matter. There is little hope of making a profit from space other than commercial satellites which really have little to do with "space" other than they float around there.
You say mining but say you flew a spaceship the size of a commercial truck and filled it with gold (30,000 lbs) it would be worth less than a billion dollars on earth.. Nevermind that IF you brought back such a large amount it would drop the price of gold so quickly that it would be worth 3/4's of that on arrival.
Trust me, if there was money to be made in space we'd be making it.
>>55576817
Oh, right. space elevator here:
>http://www.obayashi.co.jp/english/special/2014110424.html
>>55578912
>>55579194
yeah. we'd need some way to generate gravity for long distance travel, particularly if it takes longer than a certain amount of time
>>55575688
>>55575700
>>55575882
>>55576540
>>55577234
>>55577633
What if I told you that this bait was actually an elaborate measure to assure free thread bumps?
>>55575397
Going to the Moon was humanity's greatest accomplishment.
>>55579461
Generating gravity is the relatively easy part.
Assuming we're going toward a planet you can simply keep thrust (so acceleration so artificial gravity) for half the flight, then turn the ship around and apply thrust in the opposite direction to slow down for the approach (thus still creating artificial gravity)
>>55579194
Never said it would be easy.
Either some fancy rotating space station granting constant centripetal force is buildt,
Or human beings could be engineered to better suit the 0g conditions :^)
>>55575476
>there's no weed in space
Space confirmed for literally worthless
>>55576817
Fuck someone beat me to it.
The ISS is a joint Russian/US propaganda program left over from the Cold War. It's not very good, the actors suck and the props are terrible. They should just kill it, every time NASA releases a video they embarrass themselves.
>>55579624
I agree but its basically like spending billions of dollars building a giant skyscraper in the sky, letting 12 people live up there for a few days, then tearing it all down, putting one of the office chairs in the Smithsonian and saying "he look we built a really big fucking building"
>>55579653
>bringing degeneracy in space
>mfw
DAILY REMINDER THAT WE SHOULD HAVE KEPT BUILDING SKYLABS
FOR THE PRICE OF THE ISS, WE COULD HAVE LAUNCHED 15 SKYLABS
AND THEY WOULD HAVE OVER 500% MORE PRESSURIZED SPACE
that is all.
>>55575476
Nice try, alien. We're coming for you, and soon your women will be hopping all over that primate dick!
>>55579186
Why should random probes to moons be better than human spaceflight?
ISS has served it's purpose, give me an L2 Station now.
>>55580013
>impacts on Australia
Is this why they shitpost on this 'murica-based chinese cartoon image board?
Seriously, though. Skylab was some good shit. Shed a tear when it came down.
Mir III when?
Space Nazis when?
Leaving niggers behind to rot when?
>>55577051
>If it wasn't profitable to a capitalist society, it wouldn't be to a communist or socialist one either.
This makes my brain hurt.
Society as a whole =/= capitalism. If it were left up to capitalism NASA wouldn't exist at all.
Any socioeconomic model that allows for a society to plan for long term benefit will fund scientific progress, space exploration etc. like no other. Capitalism and democracy are outright the worst imaginable fucking systems to stimulate sensible visionary policies and spending.
The reason things like NASA still exist and get funded is entirely in spite of the socioeconomic situation it finds itself in. Imagine the possibility if we as a species decided to get serious about it..
>>55580129
Probes provide far more scientific data for the money.
Human spaceflight is just dickwaving.
>>55580205
The James Webb Space Telescope will be placed in L2.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Webb_Space_Telescope
Launch scheduled in October 2018
>>55580333
SOON
>>55575397
Elon Musk will probably buy it and turn it into a Hotel desu senpai
>>55580434
Scientific data to do what with? Push papers? Confirm that we can't live on Pluto?
> let's not develop plane flight, let's first research ground probes all over
>>55575397
>theres nothing in space for us but danger! nothing exist outside of earth!!!
AIDF Plz go
>Nasa's budget accounts for less than .06% of the total federal budget at 17 billion dollars
>Studies have shown American thinks that NASA accounts for 24% of the federal budget and receives 950 billion dollars
Fuck
>>55578065
Looks like a step back to me, actually. We're already at the point where we could build a space station that rotates for dat sweet gravity. Put some nice solar drives in there and allow it to expand along the axis as you build more segments.
Think along the lines of Elysium, but segmented.
We're getting rid of the ISS because we don't need these types of shitty constructs anymore. It's the best we could do in order to survive in space, live in floating boxes.
>>55580834
This is exactly what I was talking about but was too lazy to source:
>>55579649
Just build new rings each time and add them to the axis. Permanently habitable and expandable. Put some giant drive at either end of the axis and you could fly that baby anywhere.
>>55580692
literally what are you quoting
>>55580834
Simply nigger-rig a dozen of B330 in a ring.
Speaking of niggers:
>n°1 reason to revive the space race
>http://www.bbc.com/news/business-18739694
We can't be beaten by nigs, can we?
>>55580434
>Why climb Mt Everest? We know it's cold as shit and uninhabitable there.
>>55580685
>Scientific data to do what with?
Better understand the universe.
I know this is /pol/, but knowledge is actually a good thing.
>>55581162
No, climbing mount Everest is a perfect way to dickwave.
Wasting billions in hard earned tax isn't.
>>55581130
If I didn't know any better I'd think you were inspired by dem nigs.
If you apply gravity to the B330's you're wasting the entire premise of their design. Better build segments more adapted to gravity.
But yeah, same company could make a fuckton of segments nice and cheap probably.
Plus, if you design them right you could probably fit them like legos. Turn several segments into continuous rooms by removal two walls once in space. Make them adaptable too so you could upgrade with extra shielding in case it ever needs to actually go somewhere.
Or hell, so you could install solar panels all along the outside.
>>55575476
DUDE
>>55581394
>If you apply gravity to the B330's you're wasting the entire premise of their design.
It all depends on the interior design
Man, how I wish the space stations could lead to actual space colonies
And then
>we go full Gundam
>>55581529
NASA
>>55582770
LMAO
>>55580013
>>55580242
>>55580013
>>55580242
Just to let you guys know, they're looking at converting the SLS LH2 tank into a skylab-esque space station.
They're gonna put it orbiting the Moon-Earth L2 point.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skylab_II
>>55580428
If capitalism and democracy are the worst systems to stimulate visionary policies then why has there been so much technological progress from the United States? Capitalism is a system of allocating resources just like communism and socialism are, there is very clear profit to be made from space and private companies are focused on space technology because of that. What you are saying is directly contradicted by what actually happens in reality, companies aren't entirely profit driven and the fact that capitalist systems have been most prosperous is evidence of that.
The ISS took 40 launches to build because the Shuttle was a failed design and Russia hasn't done a new thing in space for the past 50 years.
If the Falcon Heavy was operational, an ISS equivalent (but much more modern and useful as a place to launch interplanetary missions from) could be built in ~8 launches, for a fraction of the cost.
If the upcoming SLS was operational, an ISS equivalent could be built in 4 launches, for NASA's typical government-sized mammoth costs.
>>55584030
Missed that. Thank you, Britbro.
