Explain this to me gunfags. How come the United States has a homicide by firearm rate 15 times higher than Germany and still four time higher than Switzerland?
According to your credo "more guns more security" you nation should be a crime free paradise.
>>55575396
500 replies + 100 statistics confirmed
>>55575396
>inb4 niggers
How many school shootings do you see blacks do?
>>55575396
How many are suicides?
>>55575396
90% of those shootings are Latinos and blacks killing each other.
>>55575481
Name the last 10 school shootings. I mean, if it happens that often, you should be able to list just the last 10 off the top of your head, right?
>>55575396
Niggers
>cherrypicking homicide by firearm rate and not all homicides
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
>>55575481
the ratio is actually normal considering population demographics. It's just that people only mention the race when a white person does it.
>>55575543
Actually it's the other way around, you retard. The fewer it happens the easier it is to remember a single event.
>>55575481
Niggers don't go to school. Idiot.
>>55575396
>doesn't take into account the number of niggers per 1 million
>doesn't realize suicides count as a gun death
>doesn't realize our rights are inalienable and that your rights are a dispensation of government
>thinks a government that is afraid of an armed populace is good
>won't even be able to remove kebab when your country inevitably turns into a third world shithole in 25 years
also obligatory shall not be infringed
There's over three hundred million people in the US and there are only (~11,000?) homicides each year. Maybe if other countries enjoyed the ability to own firearms more easily and quadrupled their population they'd be closer or higher.
>>55575396
Dindus.
Enjoy your "refugees".
>>55575543
>list 10 spontaneous events off the top of you head
Don't be a cunt. Here's your source
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States#2010-2019
black people. Simple as that
Also the second amendment
>>55575650
>>doesn't realize suicides count as a gun death
It doesn't.
>>55575598
Switzerland also has guns, but it's got only a fraction of America's gun homicides per capita. Your argument is oh so invalid, if ever an argument was.
>>55575396
First, changing an Amendment, ESPECIALLY one of the first ten is nearly impossible.
Second, many accept the risk because it is a freedom, and we American look at freedom to do as, ultimately, more important than the risks of less freedom.
Third, look at the majority of people shot and killed, outside school shooters (seriously).
There is clearly something wrong, but instead of doing anything that can possibly help (predominantly) white men, they blame guns.
>Sources: UNODC, Small Arms Survey
Why don't they just fucking type google? They're supposed to put the name of the document, not the fucking institute.
>>55575396
Break that down by suicide and self defense. Now further break it down by hand guns vs. rifles.
>>55575650
>Contemplating suicide in USA
>Gun on the table, quick easy death
>Do it
>Contemplating suicide in Europe
>Immediately available options are painful
>Seek counseling (paid for by the state)
>No suicide
>>55575396
Literally blacks and Mexicans.
>>55575636
They go to school on your mom's ass.
>>55575650
Well regulated
>>55575396
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>>55575396
What could it be?
>>55575481
>MUH MASS SHOOTER ARE WHITE MAY MAY
Try again jamal.
A comprehensive list dating from 1982 through 9/16/2013 is found at Mother Jones here http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data and guess what?
Of the last 20 mass killings of that period, 9 were perpetrated by non-whites.
That would be 45 percent, which exceeds non-whites’ 37 percent share of the population.
Of the last 30 mass killings, 11 were committed by non-whites — right at the 37 percent mark.
And what if we go all the way back to 1982? We then have 66 mass killings in which the races of the perpetrators were known, and 22 of them, or one-third, were at the hands of non-whites. Note here that America’s demographics have been changing, with non-whites comprising only about 20 percent of the population in 1982; thus, if we consider an approximate average non-white population of 28.5 percent during the 31-year period in question, it appears that, again, mass murderers are slightly disproportionately non-white.
In other words, there is no evidence whatsoever that mass killings are a characteristically white phenomenon.
>>55575470
lel
>>55575904
>>55575816
Look up the actual definition of the phrase well regulated circa the 18th century you dumb faggot.
>>55575805
>Typical muh dik response.
>>55575780
>Switzerland also has guns, but it's got only a fraction of America's gun homicides per capita.
Also, the people in Switzerland may be allowed to store their weapons at home but they don't have any ammunition, aren't allowed to carry them around or use them for protection. The high gun rate results from the militia military system where every conscript gets to take his rifle home after finishing his mandatory military service.
>>55575396
>homicides by firearm
Fuck off.
Niggers. Easy.
Next question.
>>55575396
>Now let's break it down by race
>>55575481
>some retard playing the "muh school shootings" card
If you think school shootings make up a significant fraction of overall firearm-related crime in the US, you need to off yourself. Muh chilluns doesn't mean shit.
The vast majority of firearm-related crimes occur with handguns - many of which are acquired legally - and not the "assault" rifles that people seem to fear so much are going to be used in school shootings
http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/GUIC.PDF
Black on black violence inflates firearm related crime rates through the roof. Niggers are the fucking problem.
http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/chapter-2-firearm-deaths/
Also, gun control hasn't done shit for the US.
http://www.nap.edu/catalog/10881/firearms-and-violence-a-critical-review
>>55575801
>contemplating suicide in Europe
>"Blimey doctor Shekelberg this is the 9th time me old lady been bummed by a Somali refugee... I think Im gonna kill meself..."
>Oy Vey bathe your brain in these "anti-depressants" and make sure your Government pays for that as well because I need my Shekels...
>"t-thanks doctor shekelberg
FTFY
>>55576067
>they don't have any ammunition
>aren't allowed to carry them
Completely wrong.
>>55575780
>Switzerland has guns, but it's got only a fraction of America's Africans per capita.
ftfy
>>55575396
You have to compare homicide in general.
If you take guns from people, you really think they'll stop killing each other?
>>55576067
Still peddling the ammo lie?
How many times a day does this get debunked?
You're never going to win this debate by trying to pass off lies a child can debunk in ten seconds on their phone.
>>55575396
Imagine what we'd be without guns... It'd be like frikken Mexico.
>>55576126
>>they don't have any ammunition
>>aren't allowed to carry them
>Completely wrong.
Actually is absolutely correct. They need a special permission to carry a firearm.
>>55575977
I actually read a whole paper on it:
http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-9th-circuit/1464183.html#search=%22ninth%20circuit%20%22second%20amendment%22%22
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>>55575396
Poor minorities do the vast majority of that. It is a cultural thing. Just wait until the poor "immigrant" minorities that you're getting show you what its all about. You'll be wishing that you had a gun to defend yourself at some point.
>>55576105
Meant to say "illegally", as the BJS report will show.
>>55576067
That bird still looks badass from the front.
What is Germany's national bird? Oh, wait, who cares. Germany does not exist anymore. It does not even have borders.
>>55575840
Why not just make it so blacks can't have guns?
Answer: because those committing homicides would still commit them, and there would be no danger of being shot by an armed black intended-victim.
>lel it's this thread YET again
make sure to make one on /int/ later, I'll come by to say hi
>>55576219
Actually you are still completely wrong. This meme needs to die.
>>55575396
Compare Vermont to any place with nigs.
>>55576219
you speak of things you know nothing of
get out
>>55575396
Black people.
>>55576187
Now I feel like buying a gun.
>>55576285
What does it look like?
>Germany does not exist anymore. It does not even have borders.
The average male adult white American has the brain capacity of a 12-years-old.
>>55576187
I thought everyone in Switzerland was REQUIRED to own a gun.???
>>55576221
>>55576221
According to your logic why, then, were there no federal gun control laws until the 20th century if the founding fathers said that the 2nd amendment must be regulated? Doesn't seem to me that something so important would wait nearly a century and a half
>>55575396
>one type of murder matters more than others
At least use the general homicide rate. >>55575481
They might not be too involved in statistically insignificant events that are sensationalized by the media but they do commit a disproportionate amount of crime.
>>55575396
Now post flat homicide rates.
>>55576313
>>55576339
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffengesetz_%28Schweiz%29#Waffentragen
Unlike you two dipshits, I do actually speak the language. Stay mäd.
>>55576067
>but they don't have any ammunition
Where does this retarded meme originate from? Reddit?
>>55576470
Please tell me more about all the "mass knifings" and "mass hit and runs" in Europe, amerifags.
>>55576538
Mass shootings statistically may as well never happen in the US if that's what you're getting at.
They are a non-issue.
>>55576525
I actually think it's retardation more than any particular attempt to lie.
When the law changed so they didn't hand out the stuff you had to keep but weren't allowed to shoot, the substandard minds of most gun grabbers interpreted this as not being allowed to own ammo. The idea that you can go to a store and buy some is a little too advanced for them.
>>55576523
>https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffengesetz_%28Schweiz%29#Waffentragen
That literally says you can buy ammunition and carry firearms.
Fuck me, you're an idiot. Stay unable to speak German.
>>55576067
Nice pic, Mehmet, but you should really select a picture with a proper, head-on orientation of the camera and bird instead of the upward angle that the camera has in that photo.
>>55575801
Tell that to Japan.
>>55575396
That's the argument to counter "guns cause violence" family.
Guns will never go away in the States because there is a strong legal argument to be able to carry them (an of course the second amendment)
what doesn't make sense to me is why people are advocating the sale of things like assault rifles, fully automatic guns, and extended magazines of 100 rounds that shit to me is scary as f
>>55575801
>fails at life so hard, he can't even end it competently
>>55576538
The US has by far more guns per capita than any other nation and it does not have the highest rate of victimization for people killed in mass murder shooting incidents. I suspect the reason for focusing on mass murder is the fact that you idiots already lost on homicide in general.
>>55576598
>Hundreds of mass shootings a year
>Non issue
>Benghazi
>Biggest issue
>>55576221
Silveira v. Lockyer was nullified by the SCOTUS.
>>55576538
What? I was saying that any "mass killing" is exceedingly rare, it's one of the least common ways to be killed so it's ridiculous to build argument off of. People think they're a big thing because the media sensationalizes them. You retard.
>>55575396
Bcuz thoze otha cuntrees don hav niggas desu senpai imho smdh
>>55575801
>contemplating suicide in South Korea
>Slow, painful options like pesticides are avaliable
>Do it anyway
abdullah pls
>>55576030
>Typical 'can't handle the bantz' response
>>55576629
>>https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffengesetz_%28Schweiz%29#Waffentragen
>That literally says you can buy ammunition and carry firearms.
It literally say that you need a permit to carry a gun. I also says that you have to prove that you really need that gun to protect yourself or other and it says that you have to complete a test.
>>55576779
That's the problem. The judge in Silveira v. Lockyer was right. If you read his opinion, he gave a comprehensive explanation on the true meaning of the second amendment. The judges in DC v. Heller didn't, they just said it's either our way or the highway because the gun lobby had them in their pockets.
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>>55575707
>links to wikipedia
Come back when you aren't a 5-year-old, faggot.
>>55575396
Look at total homicides senpai, also most of those are in gun free liberal paradises like chicongo
>>55576748
Hey it's the US version of the "can't own ammo" meme. You can't just go out and buy assault rifles, you have to be licensed for that level and that usually requires personal approval by your local police chief (at least in my state).
All of that is assuming your talking about actual assault rifles, not the media's representation of them.
>>55575396
muhammad, someone already explained this to you on your plebbit post, why are you coming here to start an argument you already lost?
>>55575396
>>55576767
According to the FBI's definition of mass shooting two gang members shooting at other two other gang members counts as a mass shooting if all four men are injured in the incident.
>>55575396
Your assertion is skewed by the massive population the USA has
>>55576918
It isn't wrong though, grampa.
america has a higher population than all those countries combined
>>55576902
Whoa whoa whoa, was just going to spam 8 million all day, but you talk like a fag and your shit's all retarded.
The "true meaning" of the second amendment is that the government is not allowed to annihilate militias and private arms ownership. Any cursory understanding of the Founding Fathers would tell you that they would find it LUDICROUS to turn over their arms to their government, especially considering that they had just fought a war against a tyrannical king that had tried to take their guns.
>>55576981
>Too dumb to understand what "per million population" means
>>55576956
How many beheadings occured in the UK today?
>comparing homicide by firearm instead of overall homicide
>implying all those countries didn't have lower murder rates since before they had strict gun control
>>55576863
Sorry I don't speak Ebonics, Jamal. What the fuck are you ooking about?
>>55576538
>it's okay if more people die individually
Mass shootings are incredibly rare, unless maybe you're a nig that lives in Chicago.
The only reason people think there is an epidemic is because the media absolutely loves reporting on them (the non-black ones that is).
>>55576876
>It literally say that you need a permit to carry a gun. I also says that you have to prove that you really need that gun to protect yourself or other and it says that you have to complete a test.
Get someone who speaks German to read it to you. Specifically, the "Transport von Waffen" section.
>Keine Waffentragbewilligung ist erforderlich für den Transport von Waffen
>Keine Waffentragbewilligung ist erforderlich
>KEINE WAFFENTRAGBEWILLIGUNG
You don't need a permit to walk around with a weapon. You need to be able to articulate why you're carrying it. "I'm going to go shooting" is absolutely fine. You're trying to conflate with carrying around a loaded pistol or something, probably because you have no idea of what you're talking about, as evidenced throughout the thread.
I noticed you've completely abandoned your contention that people aren't allowed to have ammunition.
>>55577034
>I didn't even read Silveira v. Lockyer and I don't even have a law degree but I'm pretty sure I can discourse on the real meaning of a constitutional amendment
Okay
>>55577053
None. Now get back to cleaning the toilet you dirty Brazilian.
>>55576902
The militia system is already regulated by state and federal law. The current militia law is the Militia Act of 1903 which was passed before any modern form of gun control was enacted in the US.
>>55577105
>lalalalalala I can't hear your :^)
Real mature, anon
Niggers.
>>55577186
>guy who made a your mom joke earlier
>calling others immature
>>55575481
>implying school shootings even make up 1% of total homicides by firearm
>>55576297
Because das racists.
You're not a racists are you? :^)
>>55576440
He has schizophrenia tho.
>>55576764
Fucking Breivik fucked up our stats.
>>55577128
>Get someone who speaks German to read it to you. Specifically, the "Transport von Waffen" section.
>>Keine Waffentragbewilligung ist erforderlich für den Transport von Waffen
>>Keine Waffentragbewilligung ist erforderlich
>>KEINE WAFFENTRAGBEWILLIGUNG
LOL, OMG.
Transport literally means transport, like from your home to the shooting range, you dumb shit. It doesn't mean carrying gun. That's what he section "Waffentragen", which I linked to you, is about.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffengesetz_%28Schweiz%29#Waffentragen
>>55577315
And Abdullah who thinks Allah speaks to him doesn't?
>>55577174
It is. It is not WELL regulated though.
>>55575904
Sources?
Sounds right but still
>>55575396
Switzerland is wrong.
That rate is higher than our overall homicide rate in 2012.
What a shit graph.
>>55576876
>when google translate fails mehmet
>>55577141
>appeals to authority
Downright un-American, you treasonous shrew. Law isn't some magic code that only the worthy can speak, it's a rule by consensus backed by the people's authority. If you think that a man needs an education to tell right from wrong, go swim over to Europe. This country was not meant for you. Explains why you can't interpret the Constitution.
>>55576219
Fuck off Germanfag.
We can have all the ammo we want and keep it at home.
The license strictly applies to carrying guns for the sole purpose of self defense.
>>55577379
We'd have to conscript a bunch of guys to find out how well the regulations work so I don't know if it's really well regulated or not.
>>55577174
>>55577379
Regulated in the parlance of the times meant "disciplined" or "uniform" you complete faggots.
Think of the British "Regulars". Was their name implying that they, uniquely, were an army commanded by a government? You think they were most proud of that? No. They wanted people to hear their name and think "Well-oiled machine".
>>55575396
Every liberal city is a "gun free zone" infested with criminal niggers.
>>55577233
>implying disregarding what the person says and just running off isn't more immature
Be a man, stand your ground, even if all you got is a mom joke in pocket.
>>55576902
>>55577141
>>55577034
>>55577406
>>55577174
See: >>55576953
Why do all liberal reddit fags use the same fucking argument that gets shot down every time?
>>55577436
>>55575904
/thread
Go to bed Kraut.
>>55577379
Which has dick all to do with the 2nd amendment.
You can regulate the militia all you like, well, poorly, or otherwise.
It has no bearing on the right of the people to keep and bear arms.
>>55577436
Germany BTFO.
By the way, is it true that you can't get a gun if you have a Serbian/Kosovian/Albanian passport? Because I swear I heard someone tell me that about Switzerland
>>55577436
>The license strictly applies to carrying guns for the sole purpose of self defense.
And my post did they say what, Alpengnom?
>>55577406
You don't understand, do you?
This is the guy who appealed to authority: >>55576779
I'm saying Judge Reinhardt is right because of his argument.
How old are you?
>>55577512
>disregarding what the person says and just running off isn't more immature
Sort of like what you did to me?
>>55576525
It comes from the brain dead morons that cannot read properly.
They think that MILITIA GUN OWNERSHIP = CIVILIAN GUN OWNERSHIP.
They believe that there's absolutely no difference between a guy in the militia with a Stgw 90 and a civilian that owns a random gun.
So since the army decided to stop issuing the Taschenmunition, every single retard thought that this meant that ammo is banned in Switzerland, because they keep thinking that we only own army guns and shit like that.
>>55577349
>like from your home to the shooting range, you dumb shit. It doesn't mean carrying gun
So magically teleporting your weapon your home to the range, you dumb shit?
I already pointed out the difference between that and carrying (for example) a loaded pistol all the time.
What happened to the "they can't keep ammunition at home" claim?
>>55575396
I believe the answer you are looking for good sir is niggers.
>>55575396
cherry picked
>>55575481
School shooting are statistically irrelevant.
They are bad
And they are done by beta white faggots.
But nothing to do with OPs image. If they stopped altogether there would be no noticeable difference
>>55577548
That's the problem. "Bear arms" means being part of the militia. Have you read the link I posted?
http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-9th-circuit/1464183.html#search=%22ninth%20circuit%20%22second%20amendment%22%22
>>55576665
>>55577598
I can read between the lines. You are implying that we need a license to carry guns, instead of specifically mentioning that you only need a license to carry guns for self defense.
Don't try to fool me because this tactic of being very vague about what you are saying is normal for anti-gunners.
>>55577577
Dubs confirm. There's no correlation between the amount of guns in a society and homicide rate. There is, however, a correlation between the amount of niggers in the society and homicide rate
>>55577699
Your troubles with literacy have no bearing on the right to bear arms.
Have you considered an ESL class to reduce these issues?
>>55577637
>I already pointed out the difference between that and carrying (for example) a loaded pistol all the time.
You did shit, nigger. You implied that transporting is that same as everyday carry.
>>55577567
Yeah, but that doesn't nothing since most of them have dual nationality.
>>55577186
It's not my fault I have to use the Google translator to figure out what your saying about your dick at any given time.
>>55575396
Niggers. Sub-Saharan African men make up 7% of the US population and commit 70% of all homicides.
>>55577693
Our muslim rape gangs are 'statically irrelevant' does that make it ok?
>>55577699
The right to bear arms has nothing to do with being in the militia
you don't have to be in the militia to bear arms, any one who is considered in the militia is 17-45 years old and is a citizen of the US
>>55577610
Your reading comprehension is poor, your understanding of logic even more.
One may still commit a fallacy even if that fallacy has previously been committed by someone else. Even then, I wasn't accusing you of appealing to authority in claiming that your pet judge was right. I was accusing you of appealing to authority (at >>55577406) because you responded to me by saying that I'm probably not a lawyer and I haven't read what some certain people wrote so therefor I am unable to have the right opinion.
You're throwing a lot of shit, but none of it will stick. I have said nothing wrong.
>>55577745
You're ogre. Can't read simple German on wiki, corrected by both Ameribros and Swissbros, still utterly unable to substantiate your claims.
Now that your "you literally can't carry a weapon without a permit" shit has been demolished, what about this idiocy regarding "no ammunition at home?"
Anything?
>>55576956
Easily solved. Remove guns from cops and blacks.
>>55575396
ITT: People who think that the 2nd amendment is for individual protection from bad guys
It's to protect us a Tyrannical government. The founding fathers knew that over time even the most well intentioned government operated by well intentioned citizens will swing towards Tyranny. The second amendment is a failsafe to ensure that in a worst case scenario the population can stop it.
>>55577833
You're literally bitching about something that kills less than food poisoning
more americans die to food poisoning than they do in mass shootings
>>55577867
Funny how fast he dropped that half of his argument.
>>55575396
Most gün deaths in the US are suicides not homicides.
>>55577744
Historical research shows that the use of the term “bear arms” generally referred to the carrying of arms in military service-not the private use of arms for personal purposes. For instance, Professor Dorf, after canvassing documents from the founding era, concluded that “[o]verwhelmingly, the term had a military connotation.” Our own review of historical documents confirms the professor's report. The Tennessee Supreme Court, in the most significant judicial decision to construe the term “bear arms,” concluded that it referred to the performance of a military function: “A man in pursuit of deer, elk and buffaloes might carry his rifle every day for forty years, and yet it would never be said of him that he had borne arms.” Other nineteenth-century judicial opinions evince that same understanding of the term, as it appears in the Constitution. “The word ‘arms' in the connection we find it in the Constitution of the United States refers to the arms of a militiaman or soldier, and the word is used in its military sense.”; “[I]n regard to the kind of arms referred to in the [Second A]mendment, it must be held to refer to the weapons of war-fare to be used by the militia.”; “The single individual or the unorganized crowd, in carrying weapons, is not spoken of or thought of as ‘bearing arms.’ ”. Further, the Oxford English Dictionary defines “to bear arms” as “to serve as a soldier, do military service, fight.”. Thus, the use of the phrase “bear arms” in its second clause strongly suggests that the right that the Second Amendment seeks to protect is the right to carry arms in connection with military service.
why are all the rich people in Luxembourg shooting each other?
>>55577699
Even if the second amendment was saying that the Militia's right to bear arms shall not be infringed, the people would still maintain their right. The Bill of Rights is a series of strict limitations on government, and any power not explicitly outlined in the Constitution (like the power to regulate firearms) is explicitly said to be invalid.
>>55577833
No one says school shootings are ok, you moron. The poster you quoted explicitly said they are bad. What is argued is that they amount to such a small percentage of total homicides that saying USA has a gun problem or homicide problem because school shootings happen is retarded.
>>55577577
This. If we had the right to keep and bear arms in Hungary the most people who would kill others would be gypsies. They are kinda like niggers, most of them are apes unfortunately.
>>55575396
Also to debunking that graph:
>http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/compareyears/178/rate_of_homicide_any_method
In 2012 we had a OVERALL homicide rate of 0.57 per 100k people. According to your graph, our gun homicide rate would be higher than the overall that already include gun homicide.
I know what they did. They included attempted gun homicide to inflate the numbers.
Nice.
Could it be that very lax gun laws combined with income&educational inequality between races, creates a society where mass shootings and homicide are more frequent than the rest of the western world?
Or it could just be that Black Americans are more violent by nature
>>55577931
>Historical research shows that the use of the term “bear arms” generally referred to the carrying of arms in military service-not the private use of arms for personal purposes.
This was never true, people could privately bear arms for all the time the US has been established.
People over 100 years ago didn't bear arms because of military purposes and your little court case citing an anecdote from a tenessee court is completely bastardized and strawmanned saying that a man who bears a rifle for 40 years and somehow isn't bearing it? what an extraneous argument.
>>55577906
I'm sure he wouldn't just say random crap that some internet bullshit convinced him is true. We must have patience.
:P
>>55575396
suicides and nigger gangbangers
>>55577931
Paco, no one cares about your barely formed, illiterate opinions.
If you want to do something about gun violence, stop shooting it out with Jamal in the ghetto.
White America isn't going to give up its guns because you sub-humans like to kill each other for sport.
>>55575771
They don't but gun grabbers will use them to pad their statistics.
>>55578099
It is 100% true, and gun control was never deemed unconstitutional until recently due to the powerful gun industry lobby.
>>55578035
You linked something AFTER everyone else posted
and the argument is extraneous and completely devoid of what the actual meaning has. Its using one shitty anecdote from one tenessee court and one historian that goes against the grain of all the other courts and all the other historians that dictated it otherwise.
oh but because one guy disagreed and one court said some shit some how invalidates hundreds of court cases establishing and defending the right to bear arms.
great job, that analysis is shit and its grasping at straws.
>>55578123
It's a tactic of anti-gunners.
They drop the shit then ran away and hope that someone steps on it.
Take a look at any article where gun laws of Switzerland are mentioned and check the comments. There's always tons of these guys that spread amazingly bad lies and the idiots swallow it.
>>55578175
That is not my opinion, it is straight from a ninth circuit judge.
>>55577720
>You are implying that we need a license to carry guns
Oh shut the fuck up. Carrying a gun means having it with you in everyday life. Not literally just picking it up and bringing it from A to B. That's just transporting it.
But aside from that and the fact that you live in a country that makes money by banking the cash of criminals, 'murricunts like to point to Switzerland and its liberal gun laws claiming they are the same as in the US which they are absolutely not.
>>55575396
>not picking the irrelevant "deaths caused by guns" statistic
>>55576067
I love how you are posting anti American rhetoric on an American made image board while your fucking country burns.
>>55578185
>its 100% true
because you said so, you cited a fucking strawman and an attempt to grasp at straws
>powerful gun industry lobby
fucking Michael Bloomberg donated more money to anti-gun efforts and gun control in one day than all the NRA donations received in one year.
>>55578035
>implying that the obviously flawed musings of some historians on the meaning of a particular phrase somehow trumps the overall framework of the Constitution
That's like saying that Newton made a mistake so gravity doesn't exist.
It is not possible for your understanding of the Bill of Rights to be correct. The power to regulate firearms is not enumerated, and so it does not exist in American law. Opposition of gun control is higher than ever, gun ownership as well, and crime has been steadily decreasing for decades. Deal with it.
And a simple reading of the writings of the Founding Fathers will tell you that they supported private firearm ownership.
>>55578215
>some rando historial and one tenessee court will disprove and go against hundreds of other historians and court rulings.
>>55578198
It's not using one anecdote, it's using a LOT of evidence. You are literally illiterate.
>>55576977
I refuse to click on wikipedia. It's a SJW driven faggot circlejerk where they suppress information they don't like and the CEO doesn't give a flying fuck.
Take Tyrone's cock out of your mouth, Nancy.
>>55578185
>gun control was never deemed unconstitutional
No one has deemed gun control unconstitutional. Felons still can't have firearms, in most cases. You still have to pay your taxes/fees to have an automatic weapon.
What's been deemed constitutional is the idea that you can keep free people disarmed, as that notion directly contradicts our Bill of Rights, specifically the second amendment, which is a limit on the government, not an explanation of a privilege of the people.
>>55578185
Gun control was never enforced until the 20th century.
>>55578245
Don't try to deny it.
I carry my guns to the range openly without any license. Be fucking specific.
Also, our gun laws are indeed extremely lax, more lax than certain areas in the States.
Are you mad that you won't be able to protect yourself when the mohameds get angry?
>>55578299
>a LOT of evidence
>from one court and one historian
>you are illiterate
and you're blind because you can't even see how gun ownership and how the right to bear arms has lived and been done for over 200 years so you cite one fucking court and one fucking historian to somehow cover and establish what everyone else has constructed as some kind of grasp at straws
its a fucking red herring.
>>55578215
The ninth circus is about as relevant as you, Paco.
It's the most overturned court in the country.
Christ, even the case you're quoting was overturned.
>>55578277
Okay then, how about the whole rest of the argument then? You think that's the only point he's raised?
You gun fags are such sore losers...
>>55578299
>you are literally illiterate
>he says, in response to the man's typed message
>>55577610
Appealing to literately the only authority that matters lol. Just because I disagree with Obergefell v. Hodges doesn't mean people should listen to me when I say "the gay lobby", "the gay lobby".
>>55575780
It is an argument because gun homicides are no different from any other type of homicide. Referencing them specifically is unfair as of course in countries with more guns homicides will be committed with them more often. In countries without guns homicides will be committed with knives and other weapons instead. If you want to compare homicides on even footing you compare them without distinguishing them by the weapon used.
>>55578406
oh the irony, thats fucking delicious
>>55578245
Your argument got trashed by someone who actually lives there and has an idea about what he's talking about. Just leave and stop embarrassing yourself, no one will hold it against you
>>55578206
I find it pretty funny when they get BTFO so badly.
He still can't even attempt to address his "THEY CAN'T HAVE AMMO!" claim, and isn't even trying.
Pretty obvious he knows he was lying, and is utterly fine with that. What a shitposter.
>>55578418
>the whole rest of the argument
that is your whole argument, your court case was overturned and you cited one historian with "a lot of evidence" then extrapolated on that which means if you debunk the source, your entire argument fails because thats all you have, is one argument
>>55578375
The difference between DC v. Heller and Silveira v. Lockyer is that you read the first and it doesn't change your opinion, you read the second and it changes your opinion. Go inform yourself.
>>55577931
That is an stupid interpretation.
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms in the military, shall not be infringed."
Reading it like this is beyond stupid.
>>55578406
That's an appeal to authority fallacy.
>>55577931
Read Dread Scott v. Sandford, free black men had a protected right to bear arms in free states long before they could be conscripted into a state militia.
>>55578498
>go inform yourself
maybe you shouldn't cite overturned, baseless court cases and one fucking historian at an attempt to grasp at straws and say that the whole establishment is wrong
>>55577867
>. Can't read simple German on wiki
I can, do you?
By "carrying a gun" people commonly say that the have a gun with them in everyday life, not that they literally pick up a gun and transport it somewhere else. So stop splitting hairs and admit, you're an idiot.
>>55578372
>I carry my guns to the range openly without any license.
Regular Swiss destruction of Mehment ongoing. Bravo.
>>55578490
If you are right, why do you have to lie?
Any one can open the link below and verify what you're saying is completely false.
http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-9th-circuit/1464183.html#search=%22ninth%20circuit%20%22second%20amendment%22%22
>>55578418
>ignores my entire argument and directs me to a wall of text he copied
>accuses me of evading the argument when I show that its conclusions are irrelevant
>makes no effort to prove how they are relevant
I like the exasperation I'm hearing from you. It's like you're slowly coming to realize that this country is not what you think it is.
>>55578537
No its not, thats totally the opposite, the court case was shit and overturned as such because it was so extraneous and poor that not even the rational saw logic in it.
Oh but if someone disagrees with you, thats some how "appealing to authority" instead of "you're fucking wrong because your interpretation is shit and full of holes"
>>55578299
>>55578418
>You gun fags are such sore losers...
I don't know how else to tell you this, man, but we're winning.
>>55575396
Drugs are illegal in both countries and yet the US has roughly the same relative difference in drug usage as well.
What socioeconomic and demographic differences do the country have? I would suggest that's probably the cause.
>>55578594
see
>>55578406
>even the case you're quoting was overturned
>>55577886
>Tyrannical government
>>55578537
So is your entire argument, Paco.
Sorry, but it's the law of the land.
Once you've completed that ESL course, you should give the Constitution a read.
>>55578477
The problem are the useful idiots that believe in it and spread it even more.
The last lies being told about Switzerland is that we need to have weapons and mental checks every year.
I have no fucking idea how they come up with this shit.
>>55578579
About that "they can't have ammunition" claim...
>>55575396
Don't you have some native german women to be raping, Achmed?
Question is: why are the Swiss so fucking violent?
>>55575396
> gun homicides
Well I can think of 800,000 reasons why you'd narrow down the field to that category alone.
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
hey you dumb krautfag, maybe you were too busy slurping halal to realize that we have niggers and that suicide is counted as gun violence. or hey, it could just be that you're just a fox with no tail since the last time you could own guns comfortably was under Hitler.
>>55578615
>I don't know how else to tell you this
I do.
>>55578594
>lies
that court case from 2002
the ruling in DC vs Heller completely overturns that shit interpretation in 2008
honestly it's because america has black people
take away all the black gun murders and US is comparable to most europe countries
not even being racist I feel sorry for them
>>55578000
Different question for you: How come Switzerland will not accept civil war refugees but will let in every tax refugee with enough cash?
>>55578579
Fuck off.
Being vague is a tactic used by fags like yourself.
First it's "Ammo is banned!!", which leads to "OH I MEAN, ONLY CERTAIN AMMO IS BANNED!" And then finally "I meant that only GP90 is sold at the range, but they can still buy all the ammo they want privately, even the equivalente of GP90!"
>>55578664
I've been to Switzerland exactly once, and it was beautiful. I literally saw three people carrying rifles on the train (though, to be fair, they were together). Gorgeous women, great food, fucking civilized atmosphere.
Fuck Achmed and his lies about your country, you guys are doing things right.
>>55578843
Because people with money don't usually go around raping women and chimping out when they can't have a 5 bedroom house as a refugee center.
>>55575481
More niggers die every weekend in chiraq than all school shootings this year.
>>55578805
>the last time you could own guns comfortably was under Hitler
The opposite is true, but I like your style faggot.
>>55575396
>How come the United States has a homicide by firearm rate 15 times higher than Germany
Don't feel too bad. With your influx of violent immigrants you'll catch up to us in 2 maybe 4 years tops.
>>55575396
99% are niggers. How many gun-toting niggers are in your country, Hans? Don't worry more are coming.
>>55578924
So you basically be admit being hypocrite dipshits that live of stole money.
>>55579011
So, about that "they can't have ammunition" claim...
>>55578579
>>55578253
>American made image board
The american copy of a japanese image board that his now owned by a japanese guy?
>>55578689
We are not.
See:
>>55578000
That graph is a lie where they used gun homicide and attempted gun homicide to inflate the numbers. We actually had a gun homicide of 0.12 per 100k people in 2012, not 0.77 as they claim.
>>55578955
well, this post is just gonna make me want to leave the thread. you obviously have no understanding of the time I'm referencing. the only people who weren't allowed guns were dangerous elements like commies, kikes, and commie kikes. that would basically be like taking guns away from niggers, spics and kikes. either that or you're talking out of your ass, but nice dubs buddy
>>55579011
If you guys like having your women raped by refugees, be my fucking guest to take the 10 million of them!
Meanwhile we only want the ones that actually contribute and have money.
>>55578372
>Are you mad that you won't be able to protect yourself when the mohameds get angry?
You should ask yourself a different question. Who is going to protect you from us? From what I know German immigrants are already overrunning your funny little nation.
>>55579074
thats because you buy everything including your weapons in germany where they are "SO GÜNSCHDIG!" and miss their target.
>>55575950
>CNN
dropped.
>>55579232
>still ignoring the complete demolishing of your lies
>>55579156
>you could own guns comfortably
>just as long as the government allowed you to
Pick one you overly sensitive mook.
>>55575396
29.7 per million mutuplied by 318.9 million (2014 us population) = 9471.33
Divide that by 318900000 and you get .0000297 of the population killed by homicide with firearm.
>>55579232
You mean, your pussy people that run to Germany crying about discrimination and because we only talk in Swiss German?
You guys are pussies. If SHTF even 10 year old kids will be fucking you guys up.
>>55578656
> this coming from a German day who's tyrannical government in recent memory disarmed Jews, gypsies and others before putting them in ovens.
>>55579159
There is more and more of us coming every day.
>>55579498
How about that ammo that you can't buy in Switzerland, huh?
>>55579498
And plenty of them go back to their mommies crying about the evil Swiss.
Your pussyfied people can't do jack shit. You are our cheap workers, nothing more.
>>55575396
>Diversity
One day you will see your shallow and nihilisstic idea of an common humanity. It was never meant to be, reality has its rules.
homogeny is peace, diversity is war
Learn it and live, disregard it and die
>>55577931
Sorry bro, but the militia argument has been invalid for 7 years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller
Here, I'll even use meme arrows so someone as braindead as you can understand it.
>The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.
So using the militia argument in 2015 is directly contrary to what the law of the land has ruled.
>>55579392
>Swiss German?
Do you have any idea how annoying and gay that sounds?
>If SHTF even 10 year old kids will be fucking you guys up.
We will simply close the borders and starve you out. Or you can go back to living of of chocolate and cheese again.
>>55579610
Do you have any idea how annoying and gay the German language in general sounds? It's an ugly, ugly language.
>>55579232
Germany has no balls or the spirit to do anything. It's not the 1930s anymore, you retards have fully committed to national castration, and are complaining that Switzerland isn't following in kind because they're slowly watching you destroy yourselves.
Switzerland could probably win it, or at least make it where you're calling up the US to get them to stop bullying you for calling you out at being a castrated sissy of a nation.
>>55579610
So about that "they can't have ammunition" claim...
>>55579555
>And plenty of them go back to their mommies crying about the evil Swiss.
That might come back at you someday.
>You are our cheap workers, nothing more.
Maybe, but we are the ones doing the well paid jobs for less.
>>55579709
So, about that "they can't have ammunition" claim...
>>55577931
>Historical research shows that the use of the term “bear arms” generally referred to the carrying of arms in military service-not the private use of arms for personal purposes.
Lies. Nevermind that you fail basic grammar and sentence structure understanding by asserting this nonsense. The authors of the 2nd Ammendment disagree with your assertion in all of their writings on the subject.
>"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
— George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788
>>55575598
>SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
I do seem to remember something like "well regulated", though.
And I don't think that condition is sufficiently fulfilled when every degenerate retard can easily purchase firearms.
>>55579610
> We will simply close the borders
No you won't, you can't, otherwise you would have done it already.
Plus, all they'd have to do is yell "discrimination" and all of your border controls would be gone. It's the new open sesame.
