Government

>>55573414
i agree, but /pol/ is all about memes. the only reason they like ron paul is because he's a racist and creationist

People are never going to listen though. You might as well just be egoist.

Its actually the corporations who lobby. You are a fucking idiot if you dont think capitalism has nothing to do with immigration. Richfags dont want to pay the wages natives demand so want open borders (which if there was no state there would be no borders). You lolbertarians are delusional, just liberals who like guns desu senpai.

>>55573661
>You are a fucking idiot if you dont think capitalism has nothing to do with immigration.
it's the welfare, i.e. socialism, which attracts immigrants. not capitalism, because that would force them to work for a living.

might be different with america and mexicans though, idk

>>55573774
Not in America mate. Illegals cant get benefits. Its all about the cheap labor. Capitalism is the root of all the problems you call degeneracy. Alcohol and drugs are being promoted because they make money.

Unfortunately I think the majority of people are so ingrained into believing that government is there to help them that they don't realize that big government is precisely the problem. A government's solution to a problem is usually as bad as the problem. People need to learn how to think and problem solve for themselves instead of crying for government to help them

>>55573414
The State is just an apparatus, a means to an end. It's how you envision the State and how you mold it that directly effects the future. The U.S. was built on free enterprise, there was an original idea that was warped overtime to what we have today.

It just goes to show you the idea's of being a "free" "society" don't necessarily workout that well.

>>55573937
>Illegals cant get benefits
Horseshit. Their children can

>>55573937
>illegals can't get benefits
Oh yes they can. Why do you think they all vote democrat? To receive benefits

>>55574014
Their kids only if they are citizens here. Illegal kids cant. This can be solvable only through the state by making citizenship by birth without atleast 1 american citizen parent illegal.

>>55573774
They do work
For pennies on the dollar
And America has a better standard of living even for the poor
They would still come here and lower wages and commit crimes

Plus how would it even work? Someone would have eventually have enough money to buy the government like they do now.

You'll have the money people who want government control (like now) against money people who don't ? It would never happen
No one is going to spend a ton of money to lose their power

It's a meaningless political position ...even if it made sense economically (which is doesn't...no offense)

>>55574006
The US was literally built on protectionism with huge tariffs on outside goods. The US woulld not and could not survive without huge government interference. We would have quickly been gobbled back up b Britain if we went all lolbertarian.

>>55574127
>illegals
>vote
You are a certain type of stupid.

>>55574006
>slavery
>tariffs
>strict blue laws

KEK
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The true solution is distrubitism , thus preventing a single entity from gaining too much power

>>55574197
They don't check and/or they use stolen ID

Every person in America knows this. You're either lying or acting stupid

>>55573661
This tb᠎h fa᠎m, libertarians are the real cultural marxists.

>>55574333
After they become citizens they can vote which I know technically makes them legal but it's still wrong to live off of welfare at the expense of taxpayers

>>55574223
>They would still come here and lower wages and commit crimes
i thought they did the jobs that americans don't even want? though i think the libertarians' reluctance to tighter border control has mostly to do with how much it would cost, so it's more of a practical issue.

of course, you know your country better than i do. i just think that our migrant crisis is considerably worse than yours

>>55574415
You can get an ID without being a citizen you idiot.

Liber(als)tarians are absolute cancer. Even nazis have more respect in my eyes.

>>55574561
if you think libertarianism is the same as liberalism, then you don't understand the terms. liberalism is left-wing, while libertarianism is generally considered right-wing

>>55574561
at least it's an ethos

>>55574642
Liberalism is literally just socially left wing people who still think capitalism is good just needs to be moralized. Liberalism was literally born to liberalize the market from government involvement. Libertarians basically are socially left and fiscally they think capitalism raw dog is how it should be done. There is such minute differences that you both are the same. Look at all the rich yuppy kids who are liberals. Finding poor liberals is hard as fuck. Poor people are basically fiscal socialists but socially conservative. The entire black voting block of the democrat party is fucking black nationalists who want welfare.

>>55574977
>There is such minute differences that you both are the same.
then why did both ron and rand paul run as republican candidates?

>>55573661
>Its actually the corporations who lobby. You are a fucking idiot if you dont think capitalism has nothing to do with immigration. Richfags dont want to pay the wages natives demand so want open borders (which if there was no state there would be no borders). You lolbertarians are delusional, just liberals who like guns desu senpai.

Uh.... Corporations are dependent on government. Actually. Why do you think there are so many barriers to entry and such high start-up costs for every given industry?

>>55574286

>It wasn't our local natural resources and the fact we had a free trade zone larger than Western Europe's, it was protectionism.

>>55575081
>all democrats are liberals
You should have read further in my comment where i said the blacks of the Democrats arent liberals. Hell the poor whites arent even liberals. The rich whites of the democrat party are the liberals. Libertarianism is basically like modern liberalism only espoused by rich people. Its literally rich fucks who are fucking us over and you guys want less government so those same rich fucks have total control now?

>>55575245
if you're talking about preventing monopolies, you might want to take a look at this:

https://mises.org/library/myth-natural-monopoly-0

>>55575218
>free trade
>good
Yea all the chinks thank you mr lolbertarian.
The early US would have been fucking dismantled by the European companies if we had free trade back inthe early days because they all would have moved in shop and then fucking controlled all aspects of our life and government kind of like how companies do around the world today with our glorious free trade.

>>55575443
>Yea all the chinks thank you mr lolbertarian.
>The early US would have been fucking dismantled by the European companies if we had free trade back inthe early days because they all would have moved in shop and then fucking controlled all aspects of our life and government kind of like how companies do around the world today with our glorious free trade.

Explain what the fuck you are talking about, please.

What do you mean "early US"....colonial, reconstruction, progressive era, etc?

Most US prosperity and improvement in standard of living came from a lack of government intervention, not a presence of it.

>>55573414
The guy in your pic is a Jew you fucking retard. Libertarianism is jewish cancer that appeals to autistics.

>>55574517
How was that suppose to be an argument against what I said?

>>55575218
It was protectionism. They didn't have it "just for fun"

Libertarianism is such a navel gazing version of economics.

>>55575645
Tariffs

That's it. Plus there was a limit to what gov/business could do back then anyway because of technology (ex: they couldn't just spy on everyone and collect data on the )
Plus the religious nature of the country meant you couldn't really push filth and perversion onto the general population

It was big business that wanted to destroy the family (feminism was created to sell cigarettes to women and double the work force)
Same thing with homosexuals. To big business the gay the ultimate consumer (no family and no impulse control).

Big Business and Big Government are the twin evils attempted to destroy the American family.

>>55578447
>Tariffs

Tariffs ruined this country.

>>55578447
>Big Business and Big Government are the twin evils attempted to destroy the American family.

I agree.

But big business has no power without the government. Can't take away big business without taking away big government.

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>we need the government to protect us from immigrants!
>implying you couldnt shoot immigrants on sight for entering your land without your permission in a free soiciety