>Hurr we should raise the drinking age to 21.
I was thinking about this. I used to agree with this.
But: do you really want 18-20 year olds at parties and clubs? I don't. The reason the age is 21 is because 18-20 year olds aren't mature enough. You grow a lot in those years alone. It's early adulthood.
>>55569290
lol
i stopped drinking at 21 you keks
>>55569290
>>Hurr we should raise the drinking age to 21.
Yeah, only stupid people say this, i.e. you.
>>55569290
but the drinking age is 21
>>55569290
Maybe Murricans are too stupid to be allowed to drinak at the age of 20.
I started to drink when I was 15 yo, I stopped drinking heavy at the age of 19.
t. Laywer
>>55569290
The drinking age already is 21 in the United States.
You do realize that kids are gonna drink whether it's legalized or not? You're only pushing it underground with the truly degenerate behaviors.
>>55569318
>>55569323
>>55569382
I meant to say "lower". Don't feign ignorance, you fool.
OP pic related tastes better with the foam farted off.
>>55569426
>lower the drinking age to 21
It already is 21. What are you even saying?
>>55569290
I disagree with you not because I don't think 18-20 year olds are stupid but because kids are stupid up until AT LEAST 25. Idiocy runs rampant downtown every Friday and Saturday.
>>55569290
>do you really want 18-20 year olds at parties and clubs?
Yes actually, and if you think that's a problem, go to one of the age restricted bars. There are plenty of them here. You're not forced to take in anyone based on their age in Finland. Legal drinking age or not.
>>55569426
Don't display ignorance, you fool.
>Drinking age
We should consult physicians on this one
>>55569318
So did i
>>55569454
OP is clearly drunk
>>55569290
>>55569524
Get your shit together, OP. You've tried to state a thesis TWICE and botched it BOTH TIMES.
>we should raise the drinking age to 21
>we should lower the drinking age to 21
Neither of these make any sense in the United States.
>>55569290
>we should raise the drinking age to 21
This thread is bad and you should feel bad.
youth 18-21 in america are treated like half-adults by , leading to them acting like they're treated and lashing out, and binge drinking in stupid ways instead of drinking responsibly because they weren't able to slowly become accustomed to moderation of alcohol from being able to purchase it yourself and get what kinds you like. also, it definitely causes a rift between parents and their offspring when a dad can't even share a fucking beer watching the football game with his 20 year old son. Plus, the whole reason it got raised was the actions of a group of women, and it was mothers, which are the worst kind of women.
Honestly
When they lower the drinking age Drunken Driving deaths increase a lot.
So keep in the way it is
>because you've been around the sun 3 more times you are now allowed to put certain things in your body
>>55569510
My dad always use to rant about age and shit. Saying that your part of your brain that develops when you're under 21 is stunted and makes you a dumbass when you're older. Right or not, at the age of 18 I can legally get shot to death in the military. I think that's a lot less healthy than being a dumbass.
>>55569290
Bullshit. I work at a bar and every 21 year old mentally devolves into a pissy little faggot 15 year old drinking their first beer. Just lower it to 18 so people can get their sea legs and act like fucking adults.
Good banter murica, thats why everyone hates u. Did you recently hear about the "colectiv" disaster that started a revolution here? Those fucks died like rats and, true, they werent mature enough. Clubs suck ass. And murica with its freedom sucks ass too.
>>55569632
As someone in their 30's and who thinks that the drinking age being 18 or 21 is less of an issue (all you really do is increase the amount of idiot kids drinking legally) it is pretty stupid to say that rotations around the sun (i.e. aging) has no effect on an individuals judgement.
Although I would agree that 18 and 21 year olds are about as equally stupid.
>>55569290
>can buy porn
>can buy cigarettes
>can get shot for your country
>can get married (even faggots now!)
>can't drink a beer
>>55569290
The drinking age is only 21 because of bullshit federal subsidies and angry old cunts who's kids were retarded enough to kill themselves or kill someone else. Is it illegal for a business to set an age limit? Just have a 25 and over club or something. Or just raise the age of everything to 21 and coddle people even more.
>>55569454
I meant to say lower it to 18.
You know the position I'm describing and you know that I'm making grammatical errors. What's the point in feigning ignorance?
>>55569505
I'm not displaying ignorance, I'm displaying grammatical errors. Feigning ignorance is something an idiot like you would do. You made the assumption that I literally don't believe that the drinking age is 21. That's feigning ignorance, or stupidity. It's either one. No reasonable person would make this assumption, especially with the context of what I am saying.
>>55569647
>enlisting
>being a dumbass
>separate things
And before you say anything, let me remind you that we haven't had much in wars that are actually worth fighting for recently. It's more of a job. You take the risk, you get the pride and the heroism, but you're not actually fighting for something.
>>55569632
>Biologicalo development
>simply going around the world a few more times
Goodness gracious, that's one way to water a beer. (muh analogy) This is one of the most retarded things I've ever heard as an argument against something with scientific and biological reasons besides just the amount of time passed.
the fuck does it matter, don't 16-year-olds get drunk anyway in the states?
>do you really want 18-20 year olds at parties and clubs
they go to different parties and clubs than more mature folk do.
>>55569816
No, I don't know what position you're describing. I thought you were advocating for raising the drinking age before you clarified.
Of course the military recruits people as young as 17. That is why you are perfect for manipulation and indoctrination. 21 year olds are still dumb as fuck but they are getting closer to that 25 year old mark where the general populate is a physiologically complete human being for better or worse.
>>55569816
The thing is you said the exact opposite of what you meant you gigantic cock sucker.
How can we glean what you mean if you speak like a retard?
>>55569919
That gif... it's an Indian, isn't it?
>>55570119
This is partially why. Also has to do with the fact that young adults typically have the stamina to do the work and lack the commitments back home to address.
>>55569290
If the age of majority was 21 it would be no thing, but in the USA a man can legally kill other men, own a house, and be married before he can have a single sip of beer, and that's patently ridiculous.
>>55570050
Then you're an idiot. The context of me referring to 18-20 year olds should have immediately told you that it was an error and that I was referring to a very common position of lowering the drinking age.
>>55569290
>18-20 aren't mature enough for clubs.
Who goes to clubs to be mature?
>>55570233
>Lives in America
>Thinks the drinking age isn't 21
No, that's a retarded assumption to make.
>>55570964
People who aren't as gullible and vulnerable as a teenager. There are plenty of stupid adults, but most of them aren't fresh new to the world. Someone fresh out of high school should not be allowed into a club.
>>55570955
>takes three tries to get his shit together and form a coherent sentence
>I'm an idiot
>>55571015
but the only reason to go to most clubs is to hook up with sluts
>>55571046
>I'm not an idiot
>Even though I believed that an American doesn't know the drinking age in his own country
You know what we should do? Legalize weed. It's much safer than alcohol. People want to use drugs so let them use the drugs that suit them the best instead of only allowing one shit tier drug.
It's either honest tax-paying businessmen supplying the weed or criminal organizations supplying the weed. Supply and demand, basic economics.
>>55571143
>damage control
>>55569290
>But: do you really want 18-20 year olds at parties and clubs?
yes I want to fuck teenage girls
lower it to 15 senpai
The retards drink their brain away after they become 16, smart people with willpower stay smart.
Natural selection at work. Give people a chance to fuck up, and those who don't are the good ones.
>>55571392
I'm not admitting I'm wrong, I'm just saying that you were wrong as well. Context matters, remember that.
Statistically raising the drinking age actually caused more deaths and accidents than it ever did at 18
>>55571273
>we should do?
>Legalize weed.
And why do you think that? By legalizing it, we would be endorsing it. Why would any government allow citizens to ingest something that affects their mental state, even if temporary? Alcohol isn't going to get illegal again. If weed is legal, we might never have a chance to turn it around.
>People want to use drugs
Such as heroin and cocaine, in addition to marijuana and alcohol and nicotine and caffeine. People want to do all sorts of drugs. On what basis do you have to say that we shouldn't just legalize all drugs? What makes one group of drug users preferable?
>that suit them the best
It's kinda disgusting hearing drugs talked about as if they're tools or clothing.
>honest tax-paying businessmen supplying the weed
I don't want weed stores in my community or around our schools.
>criminal organizations supplying the weed
That's why we should be stronger on the cartels. We shouldn't just give up and let them win.
>>55571683
>wrong
I didn't even make any statements that could be wrong
>>55569741
>can't buy a beer
I think some states like wisconsin allow teens to drink with parents as long as the parents consent and are the ones to buy the beverages. Plus cops don't go door to door looking for kids drinking, they go around looking for kids buying and niggers to beat.
>>55570406
Looks Brazilian to me desu.
>>55571802
>Statistically raising the drinking age actually caused more deaths and accidents than it ever did at 18
If only the statistics backed that instead of the opposite. Drunk driving dropped considerably.
>>55569816
You're an absolute idiot, calling us idiots for not understanding you when you say something completely different xD
That flag of yours should be straya
>>55569730
Eh, I am 18 and drink, although I think drinking to get drunk is stupid. I like Laphroig quarter cask because I am a poorfag but the best scotch I have ever tasted was a Ardberg 17 year old.
>>55571864
You didn't make a reasonable assumption. You took my statement at face value and ignored all context that suggested that it was an error.
>>55572028
>idiot
>grammatical error
Pick one. I'm not the one denying my mistakes in this thread. If someone said "Abbos are red. They are delicious.", would you make the reasonable assumption that he's referring to "apples" or would you take it at face value and assume he's describing the color of aboriginal people?
He did the equivalent in this thread and he's wasting my time having to explain this to him. Why argue it? Admit you made a mistake as well, go on with your life. Derailing my thread doesn't accomplish anything.
>>55571808
>Why would any government allow citizens to ingest something that affects their mental state, even if temporary?
to distract them from the crimes of said government, duhhh.
>Such as heroin and cocaine, in addition to marijuana and alcohol and nicotine and caffeine. People want to do all sorts of drugs. On what basis do you have to say that we shouldn't just legalize all drugs? What makes one group of drug users preferable?
we should legalize all drugs, because most adults can make decisions about drug use and aren't going to go out and smoke crack, even if it's legal. I'd love to go camping with friends and do acid once a year and have a little bit of wine and marijuana to help the come down without worrying about going to jail for 2/3 of those things. the people who are going to be addicts will just get addicted to alcohol currently, it doesn't matter if you give them more drugs, it's probably less dangerous to get them hooked on heroin because at least they won't go around trying to drive on it and shit.
>>55571808
Banning Drugs is a property issue, I want to be able to put what ever the fuck I want In my body. If I want to do a pound of blow then jump into my wood chipper that is no ones problem but my own. Let the retards have their drugs so they can all fucking wipe themselves out.
>>55569290
I had my first drink at 16, hated it.
Bought cider at 17, found a beverage I ould get behind.
Learned how fast I can drink, how much, for how long, and what the fuck I was capable during and after.
By the time everyone started having 18th birthday parties with sparse drink selections, I'd already had enough experience to help out friend who decided the best place to sleep was face down in a bucket of their 3 course meal.
All too often during these parties was it babbys first drink, and a hell of a drink it was with a bottle of vodka to a tiny bird like girl who wouldn't stop sprinting with he bottle and had to be wrestled to sleep.
By the time school let out, and everyone was most definitely pub/club age, all of the dumbshit mistakes had already passed them.
I went to see some friends in America and took them around to bars for their 21st, and people who've never been drunk before, cannot for the life of them hold their shit. They didn't have a parents place to crash at down the road, or the same parentals come pick them up in the event of a fuck up. They had me, two other friends, and the bouncer holding him by his colar.
tl;dr- Explore dumb and stupid shit while you still have the comfort of the safety net you call your parents, so that by the time you're thrust out and expected to be a normal functioning adult, you've had enough miles under your belt to not make a total fuckwit of yourself in front of real people.
>>55572219
Why shouldn't the government override your decision to do acid and say, "We care about your health, we're not going to allow you to poison yourself"?
>>55572328
The government values it's citizens. They value their psychological and physical health. You're also a valued asset to them as a taxpayer. Why the hell shouldn't they care if you're putting crap into your body? Else we should allow assisted suicide in this country like the Switzerland, where tourism for it is growing. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/tourism-to-switzerland-for-assisted-suicide-is-growing-often-for-nonfatal-diseases/2014/09/22/3b9de644-2a14-11e4-958c-268a320a60ce_story.html
I am Austrian, where the age is 16. I drank and partied through high school but now I've almost completely stopped and I'm only 20. Let kids drink and act like idiots when it doesn't matter, so they aren't clubbing manchildren in their early twenties.
People mock American drinking laws a lot but fail to acknowledge that the driving age is lower and that's part of the reason behind it. I still think it's preposterous though and some states recently raising the age for smoking to 19 does nothing to help that perception.
>>55572188
>multiple grammatical errors
You failed more than once to convey a message and you tried to blame others for not understand you're spew of autism. You are literally the embodiment of sjw movements and need to kill yourself.
>>55572331
why should alcohol be something that kids should get used to? its not a necessary part of life
>>55571808
legalization has never ever meant endorsing it.
You sound like someone who's never sniffed a marihuana bong pipe in your life, let alone met someone grounded with solid experience.
I can't even start quoting the inconsisencies of your logic, but then again its not new logic, just the same worn and torn points as a lot of others.
>>55569290
Here we star drinking at 16, no one gives a fuck
>Get on our level fags
>>55572534
>you tried to blame others
>>55571683
>I'm not admitting I'm wrong, I'm just saying that you were wrong as well. Context matters, remember that.
Remember that you have to actually read the posts that I am making. My errors don't make you any less wrong in that you made an incredibly retarded assumption despite the context of my original post. And then you call me autistic although you're the one who can't simply fess up and get over it. You don't realize that you're the one dragging this out?
Get over it and fuck off. A real autist is the kind of person who takes a few grammatical errors this far and won't shut up about it.
>>55572592
>You sound like someone who's never sniffed a marihuana bong pipe in your life, let alone met someone grounded with solid experience.
Why should I have any experience with drugs? I know the effects and I know that the government shouldn't be allowing people to hurt themselves. Actually think about the issue and you'll realize that condoning drug use would cause more health problems than the minute health benefits of marijuana. Dude weed lmao.
>>55569426
>>55569454
>>55569505
>>55569816
>>55570050
>>55570955
>>55570984
don't display ignorance you fools
>>55572536
It is a pretty big business, though. There is the idea that Americans make decent beer and good whiskey. If national drinks were a thing, alcoholic beverages would be at the top, maybe under coca cola but a strong second would go to one of the cheap companies like anhueser.
>>55569290
>wake up at 21....Oh im 21! finally! im mature!!
>>55569290
I think most people do most of their drinking before the age of 21, regardless of the law.
>>55572617
>You don't realize that you're the one dragging this out?
>trying do defend yourself instead of ignoring it
Again, you are the embodiment of the sjw movement and need to kill yourself.
>>55572536
No shit, retard.
I never said they should get used to it, I said they should understand it.
Let them make their own choices. Their own mistakes. And when they are in a time in their lives where stupid mistakes can cost them a future, make sure they understand how to carry themselves, and their fallen comrades.
As far as I know, and its never been proven wrong on my accounts; the only people who hate drugs d alcohol are the ones who have never had a substantial experience with it, or suck at doing it.
Delaying till 21 ads no benefits what so ever.
>>55572705
This. I realized I made a mistake twice, and got over it. But I also know that it is more reasonable to assume that I made a mistake. The chances of an American not knowing the drinking age is pretty low, and the context of my post suggested the more plausible case of me describing a very common political position.
Seriously why can't people just leave grammatical errors at that? Rather than drag it out. Fucking autism, man.
>>55572779
>try to defend yourself
No, I admitted mistake. I did it here:
>>55571683
>I'm not admitting I'm wrong, I'm just saying that you were wrong as well. Context matters, remember that.
The fuck is wrong with you buddy? Thinking I'm "defending myself" and calling me an "sjw" for taking a position they don't normally take?
>>55572691
>the government shouldn't be allowing people to hurt themselves
Actually, that is not what government is for at all.
>>55572864
So you're telling me that the government has no duty to protect it's citizens?
>>55572855
You keep replying and trying to defend yourself. If you stopped trying and saying others were wrong as well without derailing the issue of drinking age then maybe you wouldn't be such a shitposting sjw. But you are, so kill yourself.
>>55569290
well the drinking age was 15 for all kinds of alcohol when I was young.That has changed to 16 since because kids drank too much.
I do think 21 is too high a age for drinking because people will bing drink without having to listen to your parents because you are a adult. Better to introduce alcohol earlier when the kids still live at home and have to listen to their elders.
16-17 seems the best to me.
>>55572933
From foreign invasion, unsafe consumer products, and unethical hiring practices, not from somebody lighting up a joint. If you're going to expand the definition of "protecting the people" that far you are opening up a can of worms, because there is literally no end of things that could be considered not completely safe from bungie jumping to eating red meat.
>>55573003
>trying to defend yourself
I'm trying to explain where you were wrong.
>>55571683
>I'm not admitting I'm wrong, I'm just saying that you were wrong as well. Context matters, remember that.
This is the third time you're going to be reading that quote and you probably will continue to ignore it. :'( to you.
>>55573194
How is marijuana not an unsafe consumer product? How is it not unethical to have a company that is selling products to people that is hurting them?
>>55571808
>By legalizing it, we would be endorsing it
No, we wouldn't. We wouldn't endorse it nor would we demonize it. Allow people to use it without endrosing its use.
>Why would any government allow citizens to ingest something that affects their mental state, even if temporary?
Why not? Individual freedoms are at stake here. People use drugs despite some of them being illegal, the war against drugs certainly isn't working when anyone with a computer and an internet connection can order drugs online.
>On what basis do you have to say that we shouldn't just legalize all drugs?
We should start with weed and proceed to other drugs. Make sure people who end up using drugs get drugs that are pure and drugs that they pay taxes of.
>It's kinda disgusting hearing drugs talked about as if they're tools or clothing.
that's like your opinion, man. People want to alter their state of mind, why should only allow one bad drug for this? Why not allow people to choose healthier alternatives like weed?
>I don't want weed stores in my community or around our schools.
So you'd prefer having criminals dealing drugs in your community? It's either legal businesses or criminals. Weed stores don't have to be placed next to schools if that's your concern. Criminals sell weed where they want, legal businesses could be located somewhere else.
>That's why we should be stronger on the cartels. We shouldn't just give up and let them win.
The drug war cannot be won. The stronger you attack, the more profitable drugs become. Drugs are really easy to grow and manufacture and now most of their price consist of them being illegal and drug users wanting to buy them. DEA might once in a while bust a dealer or two but the drug market fixes itself since people still want to use drugs. The drug war has been going on for decades without any success.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLsCC0LZxkY
>>55572691
To go out of your mind is to come back to your senses.
Try acid sometime, an enlightened person such as yourself might like it :^)
I've used a plethora of drugs in my time.
And for fuck sake you brain dead dipshit, I DON'T condone it.
What the fuck gave you the impression I do?
To whom do I condone the use of drugs?
If you need drugs to be a happy/functioning human being, you're not happy.
The same applies to coffee and cigarettes.
Cigarettes and coffee were my strongest addictions through my early 20s at about 1 pack a day and close to 7 cups of coffee daily.
If I didn't wake up with one of each in either hand, theres fucking hell to pay. Clarity of mind, completely gone, and I can't allow my thoughts to collect dust for a little while until I've sourced caffiene or nicotine.
I used to smoke a shit load of weed too. And the numbe--
>>55572933
>LE frogposting
Alright fuck it, I get who I'm yarning with now.
The government has a duty to protect people from those who wish to infringe on someone elses rights.
If your society is a broken mess, it doesn't matter whats legal and what isn't. Everyone will just be so lost they wont have anywhere else to escape but drugs.
>>55573014
That sounds good. Parental experience and wisdom to help kids learn their limits. The thing is the federal government in the us controls funding for highways and give states more money and increase speed limits with a lower drinking age, so there is a categorial grant issue as well as social and ethical since most people fear drunk kids being on the roads.
>>55573014
I am from a country where it is 16 living here. Even with it at 18 and not 21 I think it stunts maturity. I can't imagine how unbearable it must be to drink with Americans in their early twenties.
>>55573234
Because it is something people consume while knowing the risks for pleasure, not toothpaste from China that has lead in it unbeknownst to the consumer or something. Also marijuana doesn't have to be smoked.
>>55573246
Well, it IS possible to win the drug war--just look at Singapore.
However, their methods are, shall we say, extreme. Death penalty for any kind of possession, dealing, production, etc.
What I want is for us to make up our freaking minds: either get SERIOUS about stopping drugs, or make them 100% legal. This pussyfooting around while we waste billions of dollars without actually changing anything is just stupid.
The same person will drink too much at 18 just as much as when he turns 21.
>>55569290
Coming from BC, 19 is probably the best age for it. It's one year out of high school which by no means guarantees that high schoolers won't be able to get alcohol but at least they won't be at bars.
>>55573272
ahh yeah I get your point. You cant drive til you are 18 here but I know US is so much larger than puny Danmark that most places you do need a car just to get around.
>>55573453
yeah I guess drinking culture is more important than age.
>mfw when I have been out drinking with some US burger bros.
>mfw they drink like they are 17 and puke and pass out.
>mfw they do this because its "cool to drink".
Good guys honestly but prime example of why I think alcohol should be legal earlier.
>>55569318
>fucked himself up in his formative years
>thinks he has the moral highground as a grown retard to call anybody keks
>>55573677
The mass killing -approach of Singapore certainly won't be happening in western countries. UN will have an international convention about drug policy in 2016 and progress will most likely be made. Legalizing will be the future once people start to reailze how dysfunctional the current approach to drugs is.
>>55573234
Why aren't you opposing alcohol companies, tobacco companies, sugar companies etc. if you're so concerned with public health? They are much more unhealthy than weed yet they are legal and no one sees them as unethical.
>>55574384
I consider tobacco companies as highly unethical. just because they hide their shady practices now doesn't mean they're not as bad (or worse) as they used to be. People don't realize this. I also couldn't care for alcohol.
Alcohol is like shitty amateur chemistry. It's dangerous as fuck. But it's been here for a long time.
>>55569290
Isn't the brain officially out of it's developing phase in the late twenties?
If you're going to have an age limit higher than sixteen you might as well go all the way.
Youngsters shouldn't be drinking anyway, the vast majority don't deserve to.
>>55571866
>I think some states like wisconsin allow teens to drink with parents as long as the parents consent and are the ones to buy the beverages.
Yeah it's like that in my state.
>Plus cops don't go door to door looking for kids drinking, they go around looking for kids buying and niggers to beat.
They did in my town. Although it's because they have nothing else to do. We're really rural.
>>55574824
I would still like to know why you are so much against weed when alcohol is much more harmful. Weed has been used for thousands of years too and trying to ban it has failed. And what about sugar? It causes health problems and addiction and it causes a huge amount of deaths and diabeetus. Why aren't you concerned consistently about things that harm people?
>>55569687
Exactly. Get your practice in so when you're in your twenties you're not a wide eyed cunt all giddy about taking your first sip of legal beer.
We got smashed for 16 to 20 and then grew out of it... Before yanks are even allowed to touch beer. Get the novelty out of the way before you're in your prime.
>>55569290
Drinking age should be 16 for beer, 18 for wine, 20 for spirits.
For clubs and bars? They should be free to set any age limit they want. There's a bar in my town where the age limit is 27.
>>55575665
but drugs are bad 'mmkay
5000 calories a day diet of sugar and fast food isn't though
t. amerika
