We're Insignificant, and Doomed, the future of this universe will one day be cold, dark and empty.
Enjoy your time what you have because the future is meaningless.
>>55563754
>>55563754
>being a nihilist
>>55563754
Why should I care what happens to the universe in a time frame of billions of years?
>>55563754
the fewcha be dark human boi
>>55563754
really makes you think
>>55563754
>Just give up
Nah
>>55563754
Fuck off nihilist scum
>>55563754
Atheist here.
Stop being a nihilistic shit. who gives a shit what may or may not happen literally trillions of years from now? The universe is still in babby mode.
We are human beans. A million years for human future is a fucking long time.
>>55563754
As individuals we are nothing.
As families we overcome death.
As nations we write history.
>>55564192
You're a bean.
>>55564071
The universe doesn't really care what you think in the end you're just a spike of dust in the south pacific ocean.
Just enjoy your life time on earth.
>>55563754
Kill yourself depressed stormshit
who reincarnation here? I hope when I die i will be born again as a qt gf.
>>55564233
As individuals, we are weak like a twig, but together we form a mighty faggot
>>55564233
thats adorable
>>55564192
What you said is actual nihilism. What he said is not nihilism, to imply doom means it has meaning to be doomed. OP is projecting his failures.
>>55564192
Sorry, but this universe was not meant for humans anyway. It's just matter of time something big happens and nobody will now it ever existed.
>>55564358
>look at me I'm the cynical European
>look at me my soul is rotten
>>55563754
>babies first existential crisis
The funny thing is that humans could actually colonize a significant fraction of those galaxies using self-replicating probes. It would take millions of years, but it's doable. Even traveling at a modest fraction of the speed of light, such as 10% (which is feasible with antimatter-catalyzed nuclear pulse propulsion), a civilization could colonize every planet in the Milky Way in 1 to 2 million years using Von Neumann probes. As far as we know, no laws of physics indicate this is impossible, and if we bring about the Singularity we could initiate the colonization process this century or the next.
>>55563754
future is not meaningless if technology can advance far enough before we are destroyed.. ur a faggit
>>55564323
>a mighty faggot
I wasn't referring to fascists wanting to look stronk but to the fact that individualism diminishes the relevancy of the human beings to their lifespan.
>>55564363
I don't think it's meaningless tho, but I agree about op.
>>55564400
who cares what it was meant for or if it's forgotten? that question seems meaningless. its important to us
>>55564494
We are on the verge of becoming gods basically.
>>55564437
>>55564494
that's cute, but the reality is different it's doesn't really matter where you go the universe will end it's because it's expending where everything is going away and stars burn out.
The universe will never be the same we are living in beautiful time where we can see it however the future is miserable for this universe.
>>55564269
i'm not depressed just facing reality. it's a beautiful time to be alive.
Eventually, every atom in the universe will decay and die.
>>55564875
duh. the point that you are missing is this narrative you speak has no meaning. All people are mortal and will one day die that means our lives are worthless. That's dumb, m8.
>>55563754
Think of yourself as an unchanging 4 dimensional object that exists eternally like an idea.
>>55565023
your life for this universe is worthless same with all living beings. Doesn't really matter if you enjoy your life what you have on this tiny earth. The future is meaningless and enjoy your time with happiness it's the only thing you have.
>>55565225
It matters to those living. I think the question is needless. Creating this narrative that doesn't exist. The question itself is worthless.
>>55563754
I'm Insignificant, and Doomed, the future of me is cold, dark and empty.
Fixed that for you senpai.
>tfw we evolved to escape predators on the savannah, not understand quantum mechanics or general relativity
>tfw "Cause" and "purpose" are human concepts, the universe has no obligation to behave the way our primitive monkey brains expect it to
I WANT OFF THIS RIDE
>He's a Nihilist
>It's 2015
Go watch Texhnolyze
>>55564494
Good luck reversing entropy
>>55563754
Trying to find purpose and meaning by looking at the stars.
Atheism not even once.
B-b-but if everything is rock, wut am I?
>>55565504
Humans are basically the niggers of the universe.
>>55565543
Don't bother next you'll have to explain there is a finite beginning and end, and why, and that energy/mass are not infinite.
Don't bother.
>>55565543
Yeah, we should all worry about what will happen a gorillion years from now.
>>55565265
of course it's concern for humans.
it's not a "narrative" it's a machine you're inside that will end someday doesn't really matter what you think. Just face the fact and reality.
>>55564323
lost
>>55565457
>who can't accept reality.
that's cute senpai.
>>55565743
Are you saying that my statement is false?
Because you're clearly Insignificant, and Doomed, and the future of you and me is cold, dark and empty.
You don't make such sense when you're trying to sound smart.
>>55565573
you're made of star dust when they explode creating these elements to support your life
>>55565666
I have faced reality. You speak like this is important and some deep hidden truth. I get it. Most ITT get it. We die. There is no hidden objective meaning. boo hoo.
it is very much a narrative. you focus on this meaninglessness for no good reason.
>>55565830
And? I'm also made of dinosaur shit by that logic?
Got anything with actual teeth instead of stoner left-wing "science".
"You're made of water bro- so yeah, you're a part of the oceans, lakes, and my piss stream."
>>55565651
it's not about this. facepalm, the point is this whole universe will end and the future really doesn't matter how you see it.
>>55563754
>size=relevance
>>55565857
every we humans do is meaningless. The most important fact is to enjoy your tiny life you get.
>>55565904
in am abstract way? no shit sherlock. but it certainly matters to us. I'll this and that will be the end of it: "who fucking cares".
>>55564318
Pls let me be reincarnated as qt.
In before reincarnated as a muslim, black or cockroach.
>>55565946
its meaningful for us. I don't give a shit about what it means in an abstract sense.
Really not anything to be upset about.
>>55563754
>the future of this universe will one day be cold, dark and empty.
we are in the first 8% of its entire lifespan though.
>>55565889
yes, you're made earth resources which could be recycled millions of time.
Maybe your tiny brain doesn't understand "matter"
>>55563754
nice going you fucking defeatist
lmao
>>55565995
That's what i'm saying, just enjoy your tiny life u have.
>>55563754
You're right, your time here is meaningless. All of you should just give me all of your land, money, and wives.
>>55564192
Real human bean
>>55566094
Yeah, it's called physics, and more specifically thermodynamics.
What does it have to do with anything, anything at all?
How high are you? Is your euphoria causing a nodding spell?
>>55566141
duh, that doesn't mean we don't create meaning and try to reach for the heavens. if thats how we view enjoying our time then good.
>>55566157
That's not my point. the point is to enjoy your little time you have on earth. If you give everything away that doesn't makes you happy maybe for some people.
>>55566046
Where does that figure come from?
>>55564400
Tag dig sammen, du er da en komplet taber. Lad vaere med at bruge /pol/ som din personlige notesbog. Vi andre er ligeglad med dit lorteliv.
>>55566222
You realize enjoy is subjective right?
You're wasting your time telling people to enjoy do what they are doing, and yet you're wasting your time doing exactly what you're telling others not to do.
Here's my impression of you:
Guys, don't waste your time doing meaningless things, enjoy the meaningless-ness.
Remember you are the descendant of survivors, /pol/. Don't ever become weak minded. Psychological survival becomes so much harder in the world we live in, but it's still attainable.
Be the alpha like your forefathers were. You are a reincarnation of generations of men going back to the first man. People who talk like OP will never understand.
>>55565598
>applying the science of today to mean anything significant at the point we have to start worrying about the death of the universe
Assuming humanity or some derivative of it is still around at that point, we will likely have advanced to a point where the rules as we know them now no longer apply.
How do you know the universe will someday be cold, dark an empty? How do you know there even is a universe? This is philosophy 101, Descartes level shit. We can't prove anything to be real except for our mind, our thoughts, and our experiences.
So I don't give a fuck about what's going to happen to the universe in a few billion years. You can't even prove to me that shit is real. The only thing I care about is my experience and my thoughts. That is the whole of my universe. The entirety of my existence.
To care about things outside of this realm of self is just retarded. I'm not advocating selfishness, just to remind you where your priorities should lie: In the only thing you can prove that's real.
>>55566311
Oh sorry it's hard for me to understand emotional humans. I'm only here to let them know the scientific fact of the universe but we all could care less, right?
just forget about. You people doesn't see how life is magnificent and just waisting it being angry with your emotional problems of reality.
>>55563754
I'm still not entirely certain of the heat death thing.
Hell I'm not even certain of the Big Bang, or much else for that matter.
There are unimaginable possibilities, some of which feature the universe as a construct of pure information from something like wave interference in extra-dimensional "space".
That being said, I've long held the theory that we are entropic equipment that the universe inevitably spawned to accelerate that process of the universe restributing energy as heat throughout itself, and as insignificant an impact as that seems in our local environment, we're not alone in it, we *are* helping, and we might be for a long time.
But yeah, on that grand scale of the universe's lifespan, all evidence of our existence will be completely void way before heat death occurs.
>you will always live in this Demiurge created universe with its shitty laws of nature
>>55563754
>the future of this universe will one day be cold, dark and empty.
how can an insignificant and meaningless human being can predict that? you don't know anything about the universe
>>55566367
Your definition is similar to animal psychology.
>>55566608
That's why the main focus of humanity should be science , bending the laws of nature to our will is the main thing separating us from animals , and the only way to survive beyond earth's death , beyond the sun's death , maybe even beyond the universe's death ( who knows ...we have a shitload of time to think about it... technology is just starting and we are already close to being immortal omnicient gods
>>55566605
No we know that the most simple answers are almost always right. The more assumptions you make the likelihood of being right increases dramatically.
Ex:
1.Egyptian pyramids were made by men over long amounts of time.
Correct.
2. Egyptian pyramids were made by aliens.
Wrong, and why?
1. No records
2. Humans with practice can cut perfect lines.
3. Aliens have never been recorded in any way.
4. Just come on now.
So the more assumptions you pile on the more wrong it will be.
>>55566650
We can predict is with mathematical and scientific facts what we have observed.
>>55566781
if there are other universes we could potentially just hop to that one. who knows.
>>55566800
I didn't imply anything about pyramids being built by aliens.
Occam's Razor is a guideline, not a rule.
In the face of potentially significant unidentified variables such as the origin of the universe, it's best to just say, "well, here's what we see" and save your speculations for later.
I'll admit that I'm speculating, reality isn't defined by consensus.
>The more assumptions you make the likelihood of being right increases dramatically.
*decreases*
>>55564167
woah how the fuck did you do that?
>>55563754
Is school off today in denmark?
>>55567181
Guess how I know you're new here.
>>55564323
Shit, thats a classic one.
>>55566568
>hard for me to understand emotional humans
>literal autism
>>55567025
>I didn't imply anything about pyramids being built by aliens.
That's why I stated it was an example. Understand the literary difference in the usage of those two words.
>Occam's Razor is a guideline, not a rule.
And one that is like /pol/ in that it is almost always right.
>In the face of potentially significant unidentified variables such as the origin of the universe, it's best to just say, "well, here's what we see" and save your speculations for later.
Significant unidentied variables, how can they be both significant, and yet unidentified? Once you can get passed that we can discuss the actual merit in such a statement. (Hint: none)
>I'll admit that I'm speculating, reality isn't defined by consensus.
We all are. Don't take it personally.
>The more assumptions you make the likelihood of being right decreases dramatically.
You little asshole.
>>55567211
It's "Take care of a Refugee returning from Sweden day"
Everyone get a day off.
Equality.
Like in the universe.
>>55566864
The James Webb telescope ( soon to be launched ) will actually search for clues about other universes "intersecting" with our, the cosmic background radiation revelated some possible areas where this migh be the case , would be amazing
>>55565504
But we've come a long way baltbro and it aint over yet
>>55567408
Did SETI donate all their equipment after their fall experiment?
+1 point if you understand what is meant here.
>>55567297
so and i know your an asshole for now answering
>>55563754
>the future of this universe will one day be cold, dark and empty.
That is 1 of many many theories that has absolutely no observational predictions that can disprove it. I think you may have watched an episode of Horizon or some other fringe science show and now think you are a cosmologist. I was there about 9 years ago, the road ahead is a great one, friend.
>>55567330
>That's why I stated it was an example.
You went pretty far in setting up an example which had no relevance to my post just to knock it over. I thought you were attributing that example to me.
>And one that is like /pol/ in that it is almost always right.
meaning sometimes wrong. I'm aware.
>Significant unidentied variables
You were pretty fast to call me out on my reading comprehension for misinterpreting your use of the word "example", and then you totally forgot that I said "potentially significant".
>We all are. Don't take it personally.
Nothing personnel kid.
>atheist delusions
>>55566781
This. This completely.
However, this respect for the grand scale has to also be balanced with appreciation for the tiny, personal scale. Move ever forward, plunge your hands elbow-deep into the gooey firmament of existence, but always remember that your family, loved ones, health, and personal experiences are going to mean more to you than everything else in the universe.
>>55566800
Plus, why would aliens need to store grain?
>>55567584
We live in the midst of an explosion, so you believe that we can extend that? Or do you assume the explosion will stay in it's current state forever.
Kinda curious as to your thoughts as to what is "great" ahead of us?
Not saying things won't be great but that you sound slightly deluded is all.
>>55564192
>>55567698
>Kinda curious as to your thoughts as to what is "great" ahead of us?
The end of natural death and disease, the end of scarcity and want. Take that away and this "life" thing is pretty tits t b h
>>55563754
>>55564264
>hurrdurr everything is meaningless
Typical liberal cucK weenie thinking, if your moronic kind was around thousands of years ago we wouldn't have gone past the stone age technologically.
>>55567879
Not really.
Once all problems that are relevant to our lives are solved, if that ever actually happens, it will be damned boring.
What good is all that lifespan if there's nothing left to do with it?
Why not just plant a seed on another planet and do the whole "ancient aliens" thing ourselves, making sure to conceal all evidence of our having been there?
>>55567608
>You went pretty far in setting up an example which had no relevance to my post just to knock it over.
Yeah, did I mention have all of it was merely speculation and I spent all this time thinking about it? It's not like it's some extremely common meme.
>You were pretty fast to call me out on my reading comprehension for misinterpreting your use of the word "example", and then you totally forgot that I said "potentially significant".
Minor point, but in semantics.
Psssh nothing personal. I laughed.
>>55564192
>A million years for human future is a fucking long time.
Time keeps getting faster by year.
>>55568009
>What good is all that lifespan if there's nothing left to do with it?
Actually, I take that back.
The world is filled with people who enjoy mundane lifestyles full of nothing but purposeless activities.
No reason to think that they wouldn't just sit around playing MMORPGs forever.
>>55563754
Well that's a fucking depressing post.
Fuck you. I'm going to listen to some calming classical music. And reflect upon the futility of existence.
>>55566253
science
you could have just googled it.
http://news.sciencemag.org/space/2015/10/only-8-universe-s-habitable-worlds-have-formed-so-far
>>55568267
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaJHFxCYUjI
It's not futile.
>>55563754
This has a lot to do with politics, Europe is literally being invaded and Donald Trump is running for president, and you decided to create this retarded and offtopic thread, nice fucking autist.
>>55568118
>Minor point, but in semantics.
The introduction of that word invalidated the whole of your clever question. If the weight of these variables isn't known, they could be potentially significant.
It's appropriate to use Occam's Razor in questions like, "does methane contribute to global climate change?" where you have at least the potential to confirm your predictions by observation. The birth of the universe? Not so much. Also, a theist would interpret "God did it" as Occam's Razor being applied. You have to have a complete list of possibilities before you can rule out the most complex ones.
...Unless you were talking about some other assumption I made. The only actual statement I made in that post which is an assumption is that "we're not alone in it", which is one of those assumptions which, by consensus, Occam's Razor has already been applied.
>>55568656
I guess the difference is I view science as something done in a deductive manner, and not inductive.
IE Take what we can observe and work for there without introducing "unverified variables"
Ever heard the Einstein's after-thoughts on the cosmological constant by chance?
And I use okkams razor for any situation. Any time you add-on unnecessary complexity to anything you will increase problems.
>>55568009
I guess we just think very differently. The idea that avoiding pain and hardship means you have "nothing to do" is alien to me.
>Why not just plant a seed on another planet and do the whole "ancient aliens" thing ourselves, making sure to conceal all evidence of our having been there?
Absolutely, thats one of the many things we would do.
>The world is filled with people who enjoy mundane lifestyles full of nothing but purposeless activities.
Purpose is subjective. It sounds like you're arguing for the continuation of purposeless things you don't enjoy rather than purposeless things you do enjoy.
the future is unwritten you colossal fucking faggots. you dont even know how the world works, nor do you know what our civlization will eventually achieve, or one of the billions of alien civilizations will achieve throughout the course of our universe. sure, the universe ending is one major possibility, but some other fate is probably likely too considering their is intelligent life everywhere..even then, when this universe ends, there will be infinite more
>>55568593
For fuck's sake. I actually thought my speakers were broken.
>>55569005
Any time you neglect data which may interfere with your prediction, it's important to acknowledge it.
In the case of the universe, we have, what... redshifts and background radiation we can't see behind?
There's quite a bit that might be missing from this picture. We shouldn't assume we have sufficient data.
>>55563754
>2015
>Not devoting your life to Europe's fastest growing religion
Such radical thoughts pertaining the universe will cease in the new dark age that looms over us.
>>55569159
I wonder who's behind this background radiation...
>>55569032
>The idea that avoiding pain and hardship means you have "nothing to do" is alien to me.
What I know is that I'm not fond of the idea of an existence where there is nothing important to stay busy with.
It sounds rather awful.
>Yay! We're immortal and we never have to eat, sleep, or shit again, we've unlocked all the secrets of the universe, and got all the Steam Achievements!
That's when, if you're still interested in playing, you start a new game.
>>55563754
I actually like this thought. I've seen life and it does not impress me all that much, including the prospects of the future humankind. It makes me feel all warm and comfy inside thinking there is no purpose to anything. In fact, it helps me get up in the morning, go to work, and do things
>>55569432
Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but I legitimately know that feeling.
Being aware of your own insignificance makes all your troubles just as insignificant.
>>55563754
>We're Insignificant, and Doomed, the future of this universe will one day be cold, dark and empty.
>Enjoy your time what you have because the future is meaningless.
That is simply not true, anon.
I want to know your reaction after watching Carl Sagan's Pale Blue Dot:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PN5JJDh78I
>>55569509
Not sarcastic at all. And I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one. You're right, once you accept it, life becomes so much easier
>18:00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVY1sAKSIzk
In the cold dark void. We will find them. Or they will find us.
>>55564323
Sides gone
>>55569603
a 5 minute video full of romantic imagery designed to trigger emotional responses?
DUDE WEED LMAO
>>55569652
That's was my point but most people didn't get it.
>>55569817
>not having emotions
DUDE NO FEELS LMAO
>>55569603
have seen it, and carl sagan would agree with me now because he understands my point.
>>55569830
I believe they simply refuse to get it. But deep down inside the they know what you're talking about. Its like religion in many ways, once you've spent a life time telling yourself lies to make you feel more comfortable, it's becomes almost impossible let it go
>>55570105
>>55569830
You guys ever just sit outside on a clear night and it just hits you that you are literally sit on a rock that hurtles through space at break neck speeds while spinning and that we are spinning around a giant fuck ball of gas?
I know that it's obvious scientifically but to realize that it is actually happening is an amazing experience
>>55570004
It's important to have emotions. And then it's important to understand that they're a product of the primitive regions of the brain which causes exaggerated responses. Prior to the introduction of regions with higher cognitive functions which enable rationality, the part that allows you to absorb the information you're reading right now, that primitive system is all we had to keep us alive.
Now, we know why we shouldn't approach a bear. We know that some spiders are harmless bros. We know that we can prevent unwanted births and still have sex. We know these emotional responses aren't particularly rational.
So yeah, I have emotions, but I don't let them trick me into ignoring rationality. Rationality takes priority.
>>55563754
Ah i remember being young too
>>55563754
Why do people always say this with a grim tone of defeat?
Thats the best news ever.
>>55570219
Or looking outwards on a clear night outside the city and seeing it for the 3-Dimensional vastness it is instead of a 2-D canopy.
That's extremely disorienting, especially when accented by a crescent moon.
>Baby's first existential crisis
Isn't it fucking marvelous though?
We live on a rock travelling hundreds of thousands of miles per second
In a universe literally BILLIONS of lightyears across
communicating with other conscious beings that EVOLVED after BILLIONs of years of evolution from atoms to cells to us today
Posting on a mongolian stripper order site about how insignificant we all are
>>55570219
Yes. But I try not to smoke weed that much anymore kek. But I know that feel. I would like viewing the flow of the universe from a larger framework that is not limit by our perception, so we can realize just how small our reality really is. Your view is an existential conundrum tho, and you won't find many takers on /pol/
>>55570561
I don't experience this on drugs at all. I haven't smoked weed in over 7 years.
In what way is it a conundrum?
>>55570445
That too.. especially when you imagine dinosaurs once walked the area these cities are built on.
>>55563754
>This is what godless people actually believe.
>>55570445
Also, anyone else look at the stars and imagine infinity and get dizzy? might have a phobia of infinity.
>>55570734
anyone else look at my dick and imagine infinity and get dizzy?
>>55564417
>look at me I'm clinging to old memes like soul
>look at me I can't face reality and combat my emotions with unadaptive defenses
v-viva la revolution right ...g-guise?
>>55563754
The end goal of humanity is to outlast the land from which we were born. We have not failed yet. We will continue to succeed in the future. The heat death of the universe means just as little as the death of Sol, as the destruction of
Earth, as the desertification of the Sahara basin. It will come and pass, and we will prove to be stronger.
>>55570340
I see emotions and rationality working together often. In fact, people that have no emotions tend to be less rational. Emotions isn't always a hindrance to rationality. The reason we even care about a bear about to kill us is our emotional framework otherwise we'd just think it was illogical and get eaten.
>>55570770
Yea that freakin crazy fahm
>>55570734
Everyone has a phobia of infinity.
It has been said to drive rational men completely bonkers because of its inherent non-intuitiveness which prevents us from fully conceptualizing it even though we know what it means and it's not contradictory.
>>55570812
Space /pol/ will try to disprove the out of earth theory.
>>55570918
shit is bonkers fahm
>itt: i have no fucking idea what i'm talking about but whenever i go, i must shitpost: thread edition
>>55563754
Who cares dude, i'm dead in 50-60 years anyway.
>>55570822
>It's important to have emotions. And then it's important to understand that they're a product of the primitive regions of the brain which causes exaggerated responses.
If you had read that part. Especially the first sentence, then you'd understand that I'm not recommending that anyone ignore their emotions.
But if I told you not to learn to control them or accept them for what they are, then I'd be setting you up for beating on your wife, because that would logically be the best way to shut her obnoxious mouth.
>>55569344
Yeah, I guess we just have fundamental differences in the way we view the basic nature of life and existence. I couldn't feel like this if I tried.
>>55569432
>I've seen life and it does not impress me all that much, including the prospects of the future humankind
Keep in mind that you live in Africa
>first contact was nothing like you imagined
>they werent friendly guardians from the stars
>they wanted us dead
>the farm world of Nova Terra was wiped out, unprovoked
>Millions of innocent Men Women and Children dead, slaughtered without cause
>they found other Colony Co-ordinates and thought it would be a easy task to take more
>they thought wrong. that was a Independant Colony, unprotected, no military presence
>when i saw those reports. i knew our Interstellar Arms race had not been in vain
>The Martian Insurgency, The Cold war grew colder in the vaccum of space, but all of that hostility kept us sharp, and armed to the teeth
>Nuclear Drones, Kinetic Energy weapons, Phased Plasma Cannons, Hadron Beam Lasers.
>Now our weapons were not aimed at ourselves, but at a deadly opponent
>we helped Evac the colonies outside goverment Nation's protection.
>all of Earths powers united. Russia, China, Britain, America, the whole of Sol even The fucking Isolationist Martians and Titan Colonists
>They wouldent get another light year closer to another colony
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uxJxMjz3Io
>"Sol Praesidium fleet report in!"
>United States Space Command, standing by
>Russian Cosmonaut Federation, standing by
>Pan-Asian Co-operative Fleets, standing by
>Europa Legion, Standing by
>Independant Colonies of Mars Armada, standing by
>Austraila Space Marines, standing by
>United Kingdom Royal Space Force, standing by
>Middle Eastern Coalition fleets, standing by
>African Union fleets, reporting
>Canadian Province of Pluto, reporting
>South America Alliance, standing by
>"this will be the most important war in Mankinds history gentlemen, do Earth proud."
>"were seeing the Hostile fleet ETA in 30 seconds on Hubble Defense Array, all weapons armed, weapons free"
>and so Mankind, who spent Eons bathing in each others blood, for one beautiful moment. stood United against a common enemy. and they would fight until all of Mankind was safe
>>55566046
>tfw you will never live long enough to see the universe grow and mature
>tfw you will never get to meet space aliens
Op is a materialist faggot.
Subjective idealist master race here. Sorry to disappoint you, but death isn't the end.
>>55570423
This is how I feel. I don't find this stuff depressing, I find it empowering. Its almost like a high.
>>55570219
yes, i have many times it's amazing to watch the stars and to think about these things.
>>55571069
Well, then whats wrong with appreciating the sentiment behind the pale blue dot? Seems like a good narrative to use to take ideology and other silliness less seriously.
>>55570918
>Everyone has a phobia of infinity.
I don't.
>>55570822
Nevertheless, all that video does is give you an introspective view of how significant your life is.
You're not doing enough introspection if you still fall victim to romantic imagery and derive existential importance from it.
>>55563754
This isnt necessary 100% true. Also there the possibilities for discovered are truly endless and we could one day scientific find new dimensons that could give scientific proof for a spirit realm
>>55564233
And history will eventually mean nothing
>>55571519
Does the concept not cause you intense (but healthy) frustration when conceptualized?
Like not getting upset, but shifting you into determination mode?
>>55563754
But your very comment is in it self meaningless as it changes absolutely nothing. Your day to day struggle and pain is still real. And you can philosophically rationalize for why that don't matter and its just a bunch of chemicals in your brain. But that don't change the fact that the pain is still there. Nothing changes if the universe is to end like that. Your actions still matter like before you read that comment. This sentiment changes literally nothing.. All people use nihilism for is to avoid responsibility and gives them an excuse for not caring because thats easier.
You are here, in your particular situation with your particular circumstances, with your struggle, with the things you are caught up in, with the things you feel about things and you say all that does not matter, but the things will still be there. Good luck trying to deny that pain is not real. Why don't you get someone to torture you? The pain is not real and nothing matters after all so there is no reason for why you shouldn't be tortured continuously for the rest of your life. Right?
Philosophically that line of thinking that nothing matters can be right. But when applied to real life you'll pretty soon see its not pragmatical at all. Its actually quite immature and ignorant and it only leads to more suffering.
>>55570685
yeah i have, not only this but to think about how old some stones are and how the terrain was designed trough millions of years. It's and amazing feel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1A8aU7yGp8U&feature=iv&src_vid=5WXbWNO0X3U&annotation_id=annotation_2992909095
As Lt Smith approached the Enemy Cruiser, armed with a 1000 Megaton Nuclear Warhead.
The rest of his recon squad had been wiped out. to protect the 5th Fleet. he had to detonate as soon as he was in range.
he remembered what his father told him. on the raid Aegis Colony. when he was only a boy, when the war started.when his father sacrificed himself to save him.
"Do not go gentle into that good night; Old age should burn and rave at close of day. Rage, rage against the dying of the light"
he engaged maximum thrusters and charged towards the Colossal Ship.
"this is for you Father. for Earth"
>>55571519
Infinity is obviously impossible
>>55570822
I agree on that anon. Nice to see similar like minded people.
>>55571281
I wasn't born in South Africa. I do contract work here, and I've had the luxury of seeing a few countries around the world. The point is I've had the luxury of seeing a lot of what life has to offer. I'm no millionaire but my world view is not limited to a 3rd world country either
>>55571769
Eh...
Nevermind.
I was going to go somewhere with that which was probably overthinking it...
I am really intimidated by unsolved problems, which engages me to overcome them. I really don't like not having a complete grasp on things. That's where I was coming from with the "phobia" thing.
>>55571941
What about muh infinite universe, isn't that still a thing?
>>55571371
WTF, I'm not a materialist.
>death isn't the end.
How exactly do you know that?
>>55570423
I really don't know maybe it's a different way they see it.
Heat death is not an absolute. It's grounded in very realistic thermodynamic principles but requires many factors (universe being closed, gravity being to weak to prevent it, thermodynamics never changing ever, etc) that we honestly have no way of observing or measuring.
It's a very realistic scenario and the most likely one but not concrete. Even as far as humanity as a whole is concerned if the great hurdle of space travel can finally be overcome we stand a much better chance at surviving the next ____ amount of years than we would have.
>>55572242
we got plenty of time to figure it out.
by that time we will have discovered the Universes cheat codes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yolbGaJD4AY
>>55571838
>All people use nihilism for is to avoid responsibility and gives them an excuse for not caring because thats easier.
You really shouldn't try to rationalize others' thoughts for them. I could just as easily tell you that you reject it because you find it depressing.
>Why don't you get someone to torture you?
Now this is just butthurt-tier anger speaking.
>If life is so meaningless, then kill yourself!
You claim to be familiar with philosophy, but then you seem to have trouble differentiating between objective and subjective value.
It doesn't mean anything to you if I have an ashtray sitting on my desk that badly needs to be emptied, but I keep noticing it. Objectively, it doesn't matter if I leave it there. Subjectively, I'm irritated by it. Any guests I have would be irritated by it, likely in addition to the fact that I smoke indoors. Go evangelize somewhere else.
>>55572442
>likely in addition to the fact that I smoke indoors.
God damn I miss smoking inside places, fucking pussies.
>>55572313
You have far less time than you think, and your forward looking faith based beliefs are erroneous and groundless.
>>55563754
Coward detected.
>>55571523
Well, im not deriving importance from it. I don't think the romantic imagery is the truth. It is just useful when trying to pinpoint just how silly it is to take ourselves seriously.
>>55571838
anon, you don't understand my point.
This thread is about the how life is magnificent at the same time meaningless to the universe.
>>55571941
>>55570727
>>55572565
thank goodness for IDs.
dont speak to me again. filthy plebian.
>>55572093
Not really. The fact we have expansion as it currently is means that we basically know the universe came from a single small area and is expanding outwards at a specific rate. Heat death goes on to explain that once entropy has made everything a virtually motionless nothing there's really no coming back from that. No continued expansion into infinity.
This of course assumes that the universe itself is not infinite and while we can't exactly measure it there's no reason to say it is.
>>55572313
>we got plenty of time to figure it out.
The issue with that is that "plenty of time" could mean very little. We have literally billions of years to solve getting the fuck out before the sun goes red. A much more probably scenario is that we manage to destroy ourselves in that time period. However it's not impossible to reach a level of advanced space exploration and colonization. The issue with "solving" heat death is not an issue of time (>>55572565 we theoretically have an incredibly large amount of time to the point where it's hard to grasp assuming we don't kill ourselves) but the issue of "it probably can't be solved". If thermodynamics is sound and heat death adheres to it soundly there is no conceivable way to circumvent it.
>>55571512
>>55572442
>>55571999
Here's some more feels. Death is not the end, anons:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMRrCYPxD0I
Also research String Theory and especially Quantum Immortality / Quantum Suicide.
>>55563754
>Enjoy your time what you have because the future is meaningless.
what i find funny is that some people actually need to be told this to enjoy themselves
>>55572719
theres always a loophole.
We will find a way. whether its Atom Spawning from other dimensions. or detonating an artifical big bang.
>>55563754
We all have the emo phase
Be happy you had it instead of the "gender identity" phase.
>christkikes ITT
If we are so insignificant, why should this "truth" you talk about matter anyway?
Seems a bit hypocritical that a self-described insignificant bunch of interacting atoms holds his opinion on the entirety of the universe as a whole with such a high esteem.
>>55572823
>theres always a loophole.
Not necessarily which is the issue. I do not deny that a potential loophole is hidden away somewhere but it requires a lot of flaws in concrete thinking and for us to survive as an entity for an absurd amount of time (which would be helped via space travel but still).
Nobody is honestly trying to escape Earth at this present moment because of the sun and that's happening roughly 5 billion years from now. Can you imagine whatever we turn into surviving for literally five billion years? That's a long ass time with no hiccups or major problems. The first issues related to heat death would probably occur a quadrillion years from now. I couldn't begin to grasp what changes could happen to anything given a quadrillion years let alone whatever species we've evolved into.
Which is the big thing. If at some point (and I mean literally any point from a decade or a million years) we discover there's a flaw in the heat death theory then hey we're good. But if we never due than you have to hope some civilization has survived a quadrillion fucking years, be confronted with this issue, AND can solve it.
>>55572442
>You really shouldn't try to rationalize others' thoughts for them.
You are right. Let me formulate that a little better. A very big part of those who "are nihilistic" use it as an excuse for not taking action. They may not do that intentionally, but its a secondary gain. "ah gee nothing matters, i dont have to do jack shit" People do that.
>Now this is just butthurt-tier anger speaking.
No its not. You and everyone else ACT like things do matter. What am i going to believe? Am i going to infer what you believe from what you say, or am i going to infer what you believe from how you act? You act as things matter, i am going to assume thats what you also believe.
>>>If life is so meaningless, then kill yourself!
Misunderstanding what i am saying completely.
>You claim to be familiar with philosophy,
Did not...
>but then you seem to have trouble differentiating between objective and subjective value.
How so?
>Objectively, it doesn't matter if I leave it there. Subjectively, I'm irritated by it. Any guests I have would be irritated by it, likely in addition to the fact that I smoke indoors.
Exactly, and that means something. And you are pretty much stuck with that meaning and you can't ignore it. Those are the facts of your existence. That is MEANING. It means something to you and those around you. Does that meaning for some reason don't mean anything? B-but its only subjective. Yes, and your subjective existence matters and means something. And it is most likely from what we can know all that matters.
>B-But my Objectivity
What about it? Hows that relevant to your life? (other then letting you come across as edgy and nihilistic? )
>Go evangelize somewhere else.
Take your shitty attitude and shut it in your anus. You mad or something?
>>55573106
You're absolutely right.
It doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter if people believe in deities. It doesn't matter if you wash your balls when you shower. It doesn't matter if we all die of a fluke event inside the sun.
and moreover, it doesn't matter how hypocritical we sound to be "enlightened by our own intelligence."
*tips fedora*
With this newfound awareness, go forth and join the Orthodox Catholic clergy and pretend like you take it seriously.
>>55573298
>That is MEANING.
B-But my Objectivity
>What about it? Hows that relevant to your life?
It's not. Because I truly can't identify anything objective with certainty. But I can view things from as external a perspective as possible to assess the relative importance of my value judgments.
When I see a nice set of tools at the hardware store that I'd really like to own, I have to refer to that "as objective as possible" perspective to weigh it against my needs. If I didn't do that, I'd buy it on impulse.
I acknowledge that my experience of this has no objective value. It's completely internal. The very fact that I'm arguing with you right now is because, between us, there is a barrier of objective reality that I feel compelled to cross.
But am I going to pretend that compelling feeling has any cosmic significance whatsoever? No. It has absolutely none whatsoever. Nothing except me, you, and the audience is deriving any "MEANING" from it.
>>55574007
When I perceive what is so conveniently allocated in my mind as the "self", I'm confused by what that means.
Technically, I'm not a single entity. That is an abstraction of what ultimately breaks down to trillions of particles separated by mostly empty space. When I speak of "me", I should be saying, "we", but then at what point does the food I eat become "me" - When I put it in my mouth? When I swallow it? When my intestines absorb portions of it?
So yeah. An objective perspective does have lots of value to me, subjectively. It *does* seem pretty relevant. It raises the question of a "soul" and then smashes it as a coherent concept.
>>55572724
Thanks for the feels, bro
