RAND JUST CHALLENGED BERNIE TO AN HOUR-LONG DEBATE ON CAPITALISM VERSUS SOCIALISM.
I myself am more of a Trump/Carson guy, but I would love to see Paul wipe the floor with Sanders. It surely would skyrocket him in the polls. Unfortunately, though, we're unsure as to whether or not Paul COULD win.
Who /rand/ and who /bernie/ here?
http://truthinmedia.com/rand-paul-bernie-sanders-debate-socialism-capitalism/
>>55536377
>implying anybody on pol supports bernie
Wow... too bad it wont happen... but it would actually have substance
>>55536639
>"errday until he's elected"
>Rand flapping his arms for attention
>doesn't understand socialism or communism and all the nuance
>complains about the size of rooms at Republican events and demands equality
>wants more free donations and free air time while complaining about socialism
>lives off the tax payer and complains about socialism
Is Bernie a Democrat or Independent (running for Democrat)?
>>55536930
Independent who met all the criteria to run as a democrat.
>>55536709
>Wow... too bad it wont happen... because it would actually have substance
ftfy
Considering they are both underdogs with more to gain than lose this is really a good idea for both of them. More so for Paul but still.
I'm here from /lit/ and I support Bernie Sanders for president. He'd destroy Paul in a debate and I hope it happens. Ask me anything.
>>55538308
What's going to happen when Bernie gets elected and the rich people leave? Where will we get the money, old sport?
I'll keep you going for an hour.
>>55536377
said it in the other thread and will say it here, any such debate will be derailed by a wild Jynx taking bernies microphone
>>55538308
Your board is practically useless now that philosophy can be discussed on /his/
>>55538383
Look up studies on how much rich people actually move when their tax rates go up. They're all talk - they like to complain and say they move but they rarely really do.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/16/business/high-taxes-are-not-a-prime-reason-for-relocation-studies-say.html
Long-term, of course, there needs to be better global coordination to avoid a race to the bottom on tax rates, but it's not as much of a problem as most think.
I've only got 20 more minutes at work so we'll make this count.
>>55536737
socialism is perfectly fine as long as it benefits me and people like me
when it benefits people who aren't me then it needs to be stopped at all costs
>>55538308
How many maymays did you see on reddit before you finally realized the truth that bernie is right and socialism and cUckoldry are the way of the future
>>55538509
Agreed, except also it was always useless.
>>55538640
I don't use Reddit
>>55538308
How is nationwide healthcare and education going to be paid for, especially when he is going to give amnesty to illegals?
>>55536377
Oh yes.
What do you mean, you're unsure as to whether or not Paul could win? He'd blow Bernie the kek out of the water.
>>55536718
Daily reminder that the Sanders posters were Hillary shills that were false-flagging.
Chance bernie accepts : 0%
>>55538595
Yes but with Bernie, he's talking about a 90% corporate tax rate on businesses. The highest corporation tax we've ever seen has been 52% in the 1940's. Making a 38% leap would be ridiculous, and surely cause the rich to leave. If I was rich, heck, I'd leave as soon as possible.
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=65
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2015/05/26/3662773/sanders-90-percent-tax/
>>55538716
The US should run higher deficits. This is not a position that the Democratic party has come around to yet, and even Bernie hasn't publicly though he has some of the right people in his camp. With negative real interest rates it actually costs the Federal government not to borrow right now as long as the Fed keeps rates low (which it should). But sure, tax the rich more too - I would like to see a higher inheritance tax, higher capital flow taxes, and possibly even a capital stock tax.
>>55538778
And all the Bernie supporters will defend his cowardice by saying it's obvious socialism is superior, it's pointless to defend it in such a manner, because it's obvious it's superior, so it's pointless to defend it in such a manner.
>>55538810
From the very article you quoted:
Sanders is right that the top marginal tax rate, that paid by the wealthiest Americans, was around 90 percent under Eisenhower — it was actually 92 percent in the 1950s. Today, the top marginal tax rate is 39.6 percent, although the richest 1 percent end up paying less than that on average and the average rate actually fell for many years.
If Rand Paul thinks capitalism is so great and socialism so bad, then why doesn't he think that the free market provide the military, police, firefighters, roads, space exploration, etc? We're all socialist to a degree.
thanks /pol/ you've been wonderful
>>55539075
>marginal
How can you be from /lit/ and be this illiterate?
>>55536377
STAND WITH RAND, DAMN IT
>>55538946
The inheritance tax barely increases revenue, and do you mean capital gains tax?
>>55536377
Agreed
Let's see it
And Paul would kill him
>>55536377
MSNBC just had some people complementing Rand
>>55536737
>Rand flapping his arms for attention
Ron Paul literally did that and look at how much attention he got
Would it be a real debate, or would it be another Q&A session?
I want a real debate, whether it be interparty or intraparty. Although I'd quite like to see match-ups, one-on-one or two-on-two across parties so we could see what they're all really made of instead of trying to be the best my-little-party-brown-noser.
Capitalism is the easiest thing in the world to defend because it is inherently the best system.
Socialism is a plague and a sickness based only on emotion and entitlement. You can only debate socialism with other socialists because fact has no place in this ideology.
I used to be a diehard socialist and even when I was socialist, I couldn't think of a single legit reason to support what I support. The only reason I was a socialist was because I was a stupid, angsty teenager. The only reason adults are socialist is because they have build up anger sparked by years of failure and/or Liberal indoctrination.
>>55536377
Lol so this is rands sad attempt to regain relevancy? You don't just get to schedule you're own debates, Randy boy. You have to win the nomination to earn the debate spot against a Democrat.
Not to mention, the Republican party is not gonna let him do this shit. They kick him out of the race if he tries to usurp or circumvent (whichever word better describes what he's trying to do to) the nominating process.
>>55541529
>schedule you're [sic] own debates
Maybe that's exactly what needs to start happening.
And if Trump doesn't fund it, then there's a vast expanse of independent media outlets that is only growing in popularity that would be more than happy to put it together.
>>55536377
this will be awesome
Rand/Trump ticket is your only hope america
>>55541611
You're a pretentious fuck for doing the [sic] you grammar nazi
>>55541700
>nazi [sic]
Gas chambers for you!
>>55538308
>I'm here from /lit/
into the trash you go....
>>55536737
>demands equality
He didn't, it was just reported that they had different rooms
>>55536377
>Paul wipe the floor with Sanders
Yes, that's like saying the sponge will wipe the floor with the mop.
I would also be down with seeing this.
>>55541800
OH, please... they were crying for a bigger room, which is demanding equality through his Randlets that obsess over him. If you can poll beyond 5% nationally, you can't demand equality. They went around to each room during an RNC event and cried to the web about it. They know what happens when they cry to their web warriors/sjws.
Finally the Randlet will do something constructive.
could be swayed either way more so i suppose
Paul is the best person to go at Sanders. Only candidate to bring ip
technicalities and Sanders would just give the moral argument. Maybe Cruz can also do it.
>>55541971
He sure looks like hes crying about it. Remember when Trump had a tantrum over Megyn Kelly's question and threatened to have her fired and boycott Fox News? Oh man what class act. It's barely worth it to reply to you.
>>55536377
what a kek lmao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ISFmjuJhMI
Paul and Sanders are the only good candidates. I want to see Sanders kick Trump's ass and mentally rape him.
>Sanders would wipe the floor with him, mainly because Rand Paul style Libertarianism is indefensible, and he's not a strong debater. Doubt it will happen though. It would look pretty weird if the second place democrat decided to have a public debate with a fringe republican candidate who is currently polling at 2% among republican primary voters.
>It's really just a last ditch effort by Paul to get his name in the news before he is forced to quit the race. For Sanders, it a case of "this would look good on your resume, but not on mine."
muh 'second place' candidate
fucking lel
>>55542376
>sanders kick trumps ass
my fucking sides oh my god. In any kind of altercation youre little mind can think of, trump would pound the jew out of him
>>55542448
Well, he ain't wrong. Sanders is ahead of where Obama was at this point, of course that doesn't mean he'll beat Hillary because desu he's probably not going to but hes a strong 2nd place. Rand barely made the adult table, and despite doing great at the debate it won't make a difference in the polls.
>>55542591
Not one based upon brawn but upon oratory skills and cognitive ability. Trump clearly fails on both accounts. Look at his unsuccessful debating style, his ignorant views, his inability to articulate himself well, or the terrible prose within his shitty books.
>>55536377
I'd very much like to see this discussion of substance happen.
>>55542683
Sanders is as much a fringe candidate. Sanders has as much a chance of winning as Ron Paul did in 08.
well you gotta think of it this way eventually.
a robot and software future is inevitable, and creeps toward us more and more every year. socialism, while not the perfect system to go with it, is much better than capitalism under it. capitalism isnt going to work at all, and socialism would be a fine transitional system while advancing toward the fully bloomed "technoutopia."
youre going to face this eventually, capitalists. humans will not have to work forever. and why should you even want to?
>>55543169
yo dude don't hog the bowl
>>55541035
No, by capital flow tax I meant tax on capital income. Capital gains is different (it's increase in wealth due to increased value of capital assets).
A tax on capital stock and a tax on inheritence would not be income taxes, they would be wealth taxes.
>>55543169
Yeah at least until Skynet activates itself
>>55539703
The guy I was talking to was talking about marginal tax rates, he's the one who didn't realize it and I didn't bother to correct him - it's essentially the same issue even though it probably made him massively overestimate the amount the wealthy really are taxed.
>>55543140
As fringe as rand yeah, but he has a way better chance then Ronny. Which is still not much but noone would be surprised if Sanders gets a handful of states, and he's gotten the most amount of donations or something like that of anyone ever, and he gets even bigger crowds then Ronny ever did although he got some big ones too. Also, people like Joe Biden and Warren who are definitely in the heart of democrats have been very welcoming of Sander's and his campaign.
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>>55536377
Holy shit, that's just too cruel.
I like Rand...but seriously this is just wrong.
It will make Rand look like a bully.
You can't get into a battle of wits with someone as defenseless as Bernie Sanders.
>Rand: "We literally cannot pay for all the things bernie sanders is promising!"
>Bernie:"A bloo bloo bloo, typical republican doesn't want to send children to college! #BlackLivesMatter
Yea, really interesting "debate" that would be.
I like how Rand has started targeting Bernie. He creepily showed up at the last democratic debate unannounced, he really wants to fuck Bernie up.
Also, it's pretty stupid that Rand came out and said he wants to debate socialism vs capitalism. You can have a socialist country and also have capitalism within that country. That's how sweden and the rest of the scandicukcs operate.
>>55543950
Those are socialist democracies, which Bernie is.
>>55543950
Rand doesn't understand basic economics. How much you want to bet he'd argue against State Capitalism for a majority of the debate rather than the Social Democracy Sanders advocates?
>>55544077
Nah, he'd prepare specifically to knock down Bernie's talking points.
That's a pretty wild top five!
>>55539153
Stupidest fucking argument in history. Government does not automatically mean socialism. Useful idiots like you make me hope for the commissars. I would gladly watch the look of horror on your face as you get shot in line ahead of me.
>>55536994
>"I"m an independent"
Said, every Democrat.
>>55536377
Didn't Sanders school Paul at one of those Senate hearings on health care. Bernie raped poor little Randlet so bad!
It seems like a pointless debate.
The places where Paul and Sanders shine most economically are the places where they agree: that cronyism has failed America, and that those responsible need to be taken to task. Paul is a better candidate overall that Sanders because he's more militarily dovish and unafraid to criticize Israel, whereas Sanders has become a moral coward on the subject of Israel since he started running.
But the place where Paul and Sanders are weak is on their understandings of what socialism is. This is going to go badly.
>>55541768
>into the >>>/trash/ you go...
ftfy m8
>>55545172
That's why there's more Dems then Reps?
>>55546072
No, that's why people who are serious try to distance themselves from whiny shits like you who try to argue on numbers and force instead of reason and logic.
>>55536377
Sanders isn't actually a Marxist though, so I mean, isn't that kind of retarded? No, I'm not a fucking Sanders supporter, but his version of "socialism" is so diluted it's not like it would create an ideological victory either way. It's just Rand trying to get some points in the polls and holy fuck he could use them - it's pretty sad that a man like him has trouble front-running today.
They both need both need it. As it stands Hillary will get the nom if she isnt convicted (she won't) and well we know about Rand. It'd be an ebic battle between the paragons of conservatism and liberalism
>>55536377
Rand - uses logic
VS
Sanders - uses sjw soundbites and guilt
there will be a bunch of women and blacks cheering and crying front row over Bernies speech, how can anyone argue against tears and outrage
Bernie will just drop a few "equality" "opression" etc crap and have the teenagers excited
>>55536377
wwJd. rand is a doctor who thinks contracting him makes him a slave because he can't choose from 1200 buyers and rip off people. by all metrics, social democracy is the best for true freedom nationalism and a profitable economy. we've lost our ways but not in the ways we're meant to think. the dems used to be the party of the South in a few ways. the right puts on puppet shows in a lot of ways. when the economy goes as fucky as it does, i don't care about refugees. i really don't
I can't wait has sanders accepted yet?
>>55546907
better be in an empty room with just them and a moderator
>>55536377
>I would love to see Paul wipe the floor with Sanders.
>>55547175
The only hope sanders would have is to try and attack him as heartless and ignore the actual facts.
>>55546921
Okay, let's go through this point by point.
>wwJd
Be charitable, and use his talents to help others. I won't deny that working in politics isn't the amount of public service it ought to be, but it's definitely done for the masses, and Rand helps out the impoverished by performing free surgery, every year.
>rand is a doctor who thinks contracting him makes him a slave because he can't choose from 1200 buyers and rip off people.
Rand's argument is that if the government is going to force people to do work for a set price, with no bargaining allowed, then that's slavery. I'm not sure if I agree with his terminology, it seems more like conscription to me, but I oppose it nonetheless.
>by all metrics, social democracy is the best for true freedom nationalism and a profitable economy. we've lost our ways but not in the ways we're meant to think.
Proof? because economically, the US is crushing it, and free market principles pretty consistently seem to lead to greater progress.
>the dems used to be the party of the South in a few ways. the right puts on puppet shows in a lot of ways.
Not really sure where you were going with this
> when the economy goes as fucky as it does, i don't care about refugees. i really don't
Does this apply to Rand?
>>55539064
Why would he risk his poll numbers to inflate some guy's poll numbers at 1%?
What's the benefit Bernie is getting here?
>>55547440
Absolutely nothing. Bernie won't even respond to the offer, and it'll get ignored by everyone.
>>55536377
RAND VS SANDERS
I am fucking hyped!
I dont care if you are a trumpfag, carsonshill or any other kind of right wing supporter we have to get behind the son of Ron for this one!
>>55547491
But what if more make an offer for a debate with whomever and from either side? What if somebody from no side at all makes an offer to debate?
Would we really ever see a debate again in our lives?
>>55547625
There's always one side who's afraid to let the other speak. Unless you get serious pressure on them, a debate will never happen, because they have more to lose, and less to gain. We're lucky that presidential debates are tradition, because otherwise we wouldn't even get that.
>>55547692
I don't need a president to wipe my ass. I was just wondering if any of them might want to try a debate.
It's nice to live on a hill so that the toilets always flush. Glad I don't have to deal with sewage again.
>>55543589
>I like how Rand has started targeting Bernie. He creepily showed up at the last democratic debate unannounced, he really wants to fuck Bernie up.
He knows he has no chance against the meme candidates in popular vote, so he tries to sabotage the worst of the big 4.
Rand is the hero we deserve.
>>55547625
those debates won't happen until each party officially has their candidate. until then it will be the same old comment about so and so here, and a comment there.
>>55548107
Bernie's picking up a lot of his youth tech vote, too. Basically, Bernie, Trump, and Cruz are where all of Rand's support is right now.
>>55547273
Bernie and Trump are better than Randlet
>>55548183
I'm trying to understand the mindset that manages to prefer both Trump and Bernie to Rand, and failing.
>>55548109
And that's the problem.
Who wants another year of what has become low-energy debates?
>>55548183
>Bernie and Trump
You must be very bad at making decisions
>>55536377
If Rand Paul is aggressive with him like he was aggressive with Trump and Rubio last debate then he'll surely win against Sanders.
>>55548410
This is the debate of Liberty vs Equality, Rand will win
I want Spanders to get the nomination.
Trump and Spanders on a stage would be quite amusing, and Trump would sweep the general election.
>>55536377
Randlet would get his shit packed in by the old man, it's not even a question. He'll just get up on the stage and go on and on about how socialism is literally communism and virtually rape and make a complete fool of himself and others as he proves to the world that Republicans still don't even understand what socialism is. Or at least that they don't want to acknowledge what it actually is.
In fact, you can find videos of this on YouTube right now because it has already happened on the Senate floor.
>>55543589
>Shhhhhhhhhhhh
>>55548688
see
>>55547306
why do bernie fags know nothing about anything?
>>55536377
>going after the bernieshill vote as everything Bernie hates
It's a bold move. I like it and I think it could actually work out for him.
>>55548688
>dubs being wrong...in fact exactly opposite of the truth
And thats how I knew it was Friday the 13th
>>55548688
Nope, Rand is actually well read and understands it will be a philosophical debate of Ideals, he isnt trump tier and blurt buzzwords like "muh communists!"
see>>55548652 It will be a debat of Liberty vs Equality, Rand knows that many americans have been disorientated away from the founding values of our country. He is looking to orientate them back to sanity
Vote Rand Paul if you want America to go back to it's glory. Vote Bernie if you like the current cluster fuck we're in.
Bernie destroys bill to audit Fed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNuHRyip3iA
Bernie Fags keep it fact free. Who needs facts when you have insults.
Muh Democratic socialism!
The def of insanity, do the same shit, pray for dif results. Rocket Science!
>>55548986
>says the degenerate posting naked gooks doing drugs
i hate you hypocrites
>>55548986
I would bang the shit out of that degenerate hippy.
