Someone on the radio said that global warming is accepted world-wide except our (the U.S.) little corner of the world.
Do any non-americans deny global warming?
Putin just said last week that it was the biggest scam in history.
>>55534332
For the most part we don't give a fuck, even if we agree.
Not here
>>55534594
and he's right on top of that.
>>55534332
I think UKIP denies it.
We have our own local problems...like polution in the capital city...It's like fucking Bejing, there are weeks going on without seeing the sun from all the fog
Socialist always portray themselves as the majority. The ruthless communists in Russia called themselves the Bolsheviks, or 'the majority'
It's all a big scam!
>Do any non-americans deny global warming?
I'm sure they're out there. I hear that iran denies the holocaust. they're probably talking about leftist shit holes like western europe, I'm sure they eat that global warming shit up
>>55534332
We've finally beat the ice age but you sods will argue whether we can take credit for it or not.
>>55534332
Russia, China and India think it's horse shit.
Nobody here talks about it besides Liberals who hate oil and Harper
what difference does it make when China and India outpollutes everyone else combined?
>>55534332
Yes, both the Conservative and UKIP parties have people who oppose the idea of global warming in them. Putin said that global warming is not real as well.
There's ALWAYS debate
There NEEDS to be debate
>>55534787
>smog
Ftfy
>>55534332
Indent man influenced global warming. Yes measurements are going up in some instances but going down in others. There's not enough of a base of measurement. The thought that human industry is cuaing more heat radiation than Sol is almost as retarded as atheism.........almost
>>55535046
"Identity" = I don't believe in...
Thanks Android
>>55535181
I'll fucking spike it
>>55534927
/pol/'s resident Geologist again. As a scientist this isn't actually true. Nobody debates the Ptolemaic model of the solar system anymore. Nobody debates flat Earth. Nobody debates evolution . Nobody debates plate tectonics.
There's just nothing left to debate. The data is so overwhelming there's just no room for anything else in the discussion.
Pictured is actual seismic data showing the subduction of the pacific plate beneath the Japanese islands. How are you going to argue against that to prove an opposing theory to plate tectonics or continental drift?
You're not. The data has ended those arguments.
Only the Green party but they are in coalition 5ever with the Communist party so people actually forget they exist.
The average joe doesnt give a fuck
>>55534908
>>55534908
>Conservatives
No they don't.
>>55535663
Not the party itself but some members of it. The right of the conservative party.
>>55535442
The same is now becoming true of man made climate change. There's nothing left to debate. The data is in and is being checked and rechecked by people far more knowledgeable about the subject than the armchair scientists of /pol/.
Pictured is satellite data of the troposphere and stratosphere showing warming in the troposphere and cooling of the stratosphere. This is extremely clear evidence that warming is being caused by greenhouse gases. Any theory that anyone comes up with that goes against man made global warming must explain this data.
And you can't. It's solid. Unless you find some mechanism which exists outside our current understanding of physics and chemistry the debate is over.
>>55534332
A. Americans are exposed to more media than anyone else on the planet.
B. Americans are the richest and most obtuse (intentionally ignorant) people on the planet.
C. American has, BY A LONGSHOT, the highest concentration of single mothers on the planet.
D. Americans believe preposterous things that are not believed anywhere on the planet.
A+B+C = D
Global warming isn't denied here.
>>55534332
definitely not in china, where the discussion matters most if you believe global warming to be true
>>55535875
i dont understand C, just because a woman is sexually promiscuous and lacks common sense and decency doesnt necessarily mean she is not book smart, I actually knew a couple of smart bimbos in college
>>55535691
But you talk about it like it's a bad thing.
>>55535691
> 1979 to 2011
> assuming that's anywhere close to a relevant sample size on a 4 billion year old planet
>>55536397
I-is it because thats illegal?
My dad worked on minimal impact r&d for an oil company in the 70's and 80's, anticipating new paradigms in regulation.
It was an American oil company, by the way. (One of the original standard splinters.)
But then climate change became a partisan issue, and now they can attack and obfuscate instead of adapt...
Man-Made Climate Change is a farce.
The original models when Al Gore was first harping about it failed to come true.
The current models use faulty exaggerated data.
The "97%" claim is utter bullshit.
And the intense need to silence anyone who dares speak out against man-made climate change, up to and including those who support it asking for deniers to be jailed or even executed, is cause enough for scrutiny and suspicion.
Nevermind the fact that many of the things we're doing to help "solve" man-made climate change is actually making more greenhouse gas than the actual things reduce. Creation of solar panels, electric/hydrogen batteries, and ethanol all produce more greenhouse gas than any of those technologies reduce.
Nevermind the fact that windmill turbines are so ineffective a technology that they are highly prone to breaking down and require gas-fueled generators as backups for when they inevitably do malfunction.
>>55536599
This.
>>55536599
implying its not 6000 years old
>>55536621
you do actually get fined in germoney for stating the truth about climatology. No jail sentences yet though.
>>55536621
No. We simply genuiely believe that it is the truth and denying it is the same as if you were a Creationist.
>>55534332
I don't really care.
No one ever does anything they refuse to do.
You're just going to have to sit back and make a big deal out of recycling and electric cars like it's some kind of significant impact as population growth continues at an exponential rate.
When the Earth has had enough of our shit, she'll let us know. Make no mistake about that senpai.
>climate change thread
>not a single proofs provided on either side of the debate
You're better than this /pol/.
>>55537401
What if climate change is actually happening?
So fucking what?
We have quite a few problems of unsustainability.
Oil is a finite resource.
It will eventually all get used up.
Things will either be okay, or they won't.
Whatever.
>>55537401
It's the same tired old argument that's been spouted for like 40 years now. It's boring. I know it's a dangerous precedent, but give us a couple hours break from the fucking grind. You'll get flooded with info soon enough.
>>55535046
Well, industry plus deforestation (removing a huge carbon sink: Indonesian fires this year out-CO2'd the USA, but in an earlier year was 4 times the USA's CO2 output!). Plus domestic power use, plus transportation fuel use, plus ... there are a few factors here besides 'industry" alone.
>>55536599
Relevant to humanity, not the planet. Earth will be fine; whether we are here to see it, is another issue.
>>55536742
Is that manufacturing Co2 output for solar panels or their whole lifetime?
>>55534332
It is argued in Australia and Canada - which are 2 large exporters of fossil fuels.
>>55534594
He should know - he's run a few scams himself...
>>55534332
I learned in Brazil's education system that global warming is natural and observed to happen before we did anything meaningful. Problem is, we are speeding it up.
>>55534819
That speaks for itself, no?
It seems more to me that most of the global warming debate is an underhanded way of throwing a wrench in the gears of the oil industry.
Not because they give a fuck about the planet, but because it makes them so goddamned butthurt that the oil tycoons have control of a literal "money fountain" and they do not.
>>55535691
Shit is getting warmer but how does this prove its caused by humans? We've had ice ages and hot ages in the past prior to carbon emissions.
>>55534818
I think Neanderthals 'beat' the Ice Age by LIVING through it. All we have done is enjoy the inter-glacial period afterwards, and lately, turn the thermostat up some more... maybe too much more.
>>55537999
That is a possibility, yes. But there are other interpretations.
>>55534332
The pentagon, Chinese military, Russian military, Canada, EU, all center their future planning around it.
It's literally the most successful scam in history. The people pulling it off have so much influence and sway in literally every single scientific, military, and political body in the world that they already control everything.
>>55538036
>Do any non-americans deny global warming?
One of the founders of Greenpeace (who's Canadian) thinks "global warming" (as portrayed by people like Al Gore) is absolute horseshit that is made up by watermelon environmentalists.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbgcyW-MqtY
>>55537128
so its your own opinion.
>>55537999
Honestly, all of the work involved in the extraction and refining of oil is in the discovery.
Once it comes up out of a hole in the ground, it's easy money from then on. They introduce heavy regulations to make that more difficult, and tax the shit out of it to force a redistribution of the profit.
Which is dumb, because all the industry has to do is raise prices...
Weee!
>>55538334
Oil is one of the most subsidized industries on the planet though.
>>55534332
Only on /pol/ elsewhere dissidents are silenced by communal mockery
>>55538400
Because no one wants to get into the business, and the demand is still high.
Producing fuels is a pain in the goddamned ass, not because of the actual work involved, but because of all the bureaucracy involved.
That takes a serious investment in time and energy, which few people actually have.
Can we all agree on one thing?
It is not not known if global warming/climate change is a bad thing. It could be amazing it could open up areas of land for more farming or it could produce more rain in the deserts.
Is climate change a bad thing for humans?
Why are we always implying the world is perfect as is? Last I checked we are still in an ice age which is historically has been about 3% of the total time life has been on the planet. 97% of the time we dont have any ice on the poles.
Again why is climate change a negative thing?
As an American abroad, most people I meet believe in man-made climate change. Personally, I believe man has significantly contributed to the change in climate. A substantial majority of scientists believe this as well
However, global warming or not, the burning of fossil fuels and other chemicals creates asthma in kids, the waste contaminates drinking water, and it dramatically increases peoples risk of cancer. These are just a few negative effects.
Personally, IDC if you believe in global warming or not. But if you dont believe something should be done to reduce the amount of pollution in our air and drinking water, you are a giant fucking faggot, and you probably post daily on /pol/
>>55536599
>>55538036
First of all it's irrelevant how far back the data goes, just long enough to know it's not an outlier and 30 years of data is plenty for this case.
Secondly it proves it's man made because the only way you can get this trend is by trapping heat in the lower atmosphere. Heat goes in, same as always, but it doesn't get back out again. Less escaping heat = colder stratosphere.
It's basic high school chemistry.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=why+the+cooling+stratosphere+proves+man+made+global+warming
>>55538558
Part of the problem is that most population centers are near coasts. Whether or not global warming is man made, the sea level is rising. A rise of just a few inches would be catastrophic for most cities. Even a city like NYC would be in trouble with a few inches of rise, as more and more pumps will be needed to keep things like subways dry
>>55538717
>But if you dont believe something should be done to reduce the amount of pollution in our air and drinking water, you are a giant fucking faggot, and you probably post daily on /pol/
WE NEED MORE PEOPLE!!!! THAT'S THE SOLUTION TO ALL OF OUR PROBLEMS!!! MORE PEOPLE, LESS PROBLEMS.
>>55538895
Wow its amazing that you somehow read, "We need more people," because I've reread my post a few times now and I dont see it anywhere.
Go home, kiddo
>>55538324
No. It's the opinion that's being taught at school. There's a difference.
>>55534332
The debate isn't about global warming it's about weather anyone should care and if we should do anything about it
>>55539046
What happens when people die of cancer?
LESS PEOPLE!
What happens when birth rates exceed death rates?
MORE PEOPLE!
It's amazing that you can't understand basic cause and effect.
>>55534332
As a scientist, I don't deny the existence of global warming. A long-term warming trend is absolutely measurable.
But I, for one, appreciate the skepticism and debate. Science should never just be blindly accepted - results must be observable, repeatable, and explainable.
Skepticism is a good thing in science. It makes you work hard to check and double check your findings. It finds the flaws you missed. It keeps you honest.
>>55538717
Shame how horrifically polluting and destructive green energy is though.
>>55539121
Its amazing that you think cancer is an effective means of population control. Its also amazing that you think the water and air will magical "unpoison" itself as soon as the population hits your personal preferred number
But, I agree. Lets kill some people. I vote that we start with you
>>55539121
So we can attack this from another direction, and keep people from breeding.
I don't really care either way.
You're still gonna bitch.
>>55534332
The question shouldn't be whether climate change is happening. The question is whether we are significantly contributing to climate change.
>>55539332
>Its amazing that you think cancer is an effective means of population control.
It's not. But it helps do the work without having to take the undesirables out to sea and throwing them overboard.
>Its also amazing that you think the water and air will magical "unpoison" itself as soon as the population hits your personal preferred number
I don't have a preferred number, but I do know that exponential population growth, by the principles of basic fucking mathematics, is unsustainable.
You don't like policies where people get killed actively? You're gonna have to tolerate policies where people die from being killed passively, because you can't just keep expanding the population forever. It just won't work. Nature's doing for us what we won't do for ourselves.
Deal with it.
>>55539324
Not necessarily. And not more so than their carbon counterparts. But you are right, there is drastic room for improvement in the technology, which is really still in its infancy.
>>55539489
I appreciate the utilitarian aspect of your viewpoint, but you are a complete moron.
Legalizing abortion and making clinics accessible would do more than dumping carbon and chemicals into the air. Pollution doesnt usually kill people. Instead, it leaves with with crippling deformities, or life long diseases.
This is actually the *opposite* of what you want. Not only are the people still alive, they are incapable of contributing to at least balance out their existence a little bit. Asthma is an inconvenience, not a killer.
Didn't NASA btfo Al Gore by saying that we have a fuckton of ice and that the amount is still growing?
I just saw the dude on tv here, he was saying the exact same crap he always mumbles about.
>>55539773
>Legalizing abortion and making clinics accessible would do more
I agree.
>>55539348
>Pollution doesnt usually kill people. Instead, it leaves with with crippling deformities, or life long diseases.
That sucks bro. Maybe we should end their misery.
>This is actually the *opposite* of what you want.
No shit.
Hitler did nothing wrong.
>>55539845
There is ice growing in the antarctic for sure. The problem is that the sea level is still rising, so that means the ice is just coming from somewhere else.
This is all true whether or not global warming is real
>>55539898
I know its just an internet board, but your edginess is bothersome. Poisoning the air and water as a practical means of population control is the sort of idea that normally keeps me away from /pol/.
I swear, in the last two years, this board has gone from far right to completely non-sensical. Its like /r9k/ but for robots who like politics
>>55534332
Temperatures have been warmer than today for almost all of the past 10,000 years.In fact, if the chart went further back, you’d see that temperatures have been warmer than today for most of geologic history.
>>55539419
we are
mostly through deforestation (forests being the second most important carbon sinks)
not so much through co2 emission -- which nonetheless, is still a problem due to its influence in acid rain
>>55540067
>Poisoning the air and water as a practical means of population control is the sort of idea that normally keeps me away from /pol/.
It's not a practical means of anything, but it's a natural consequence of the industry.
We can get rid of the industry. Big deal. Now we have a continually growing population and a severe decline in food production, unless you have some other solution to farming which doesn't involve high output seeding and harvesting equipment. You're like a goddamned animal rights activist, don't ya know that releasing these domesticated animals into the wild will leave them in a worse position than they were in the hands of the big mean farmer?
Don't get upset at me because shit isn't working out. I didn't do it. I'm just trying to get by same as everyone else, only I'm not running around panicking about things because:
>The chief cause of problems is solutions.
-Eric Sevareid
Ethical dilemmas? What's that? I want Utopia!
>>55540444
There is no food shortage in site. In fact, the world still throws out almost as much food as it eats.
I'm not upset at you, I just think you are stupid. I also think you've fallen into the, "The edgiest idea is the right idea," philosophy.
>>55540589
Sight*
>>55540589
>There is no food shortage in site.
There will be if you eliminate or severely cripple the oil industry because "muh asthma".
Again... Cause and effect.
>>55540704
Or we can import a bunch of mexicans to get out there and hand till those fields.
Or we can put the shackles back on those niggers.
Whatever.
I only sound "edgy" because you're in fucking la-la-land.
>>55540704
Or we can do it slowly over time before we reach "impending doom" status
What a fuckin retard
>>55534332
Who cares who debates it? It is something that is beyond human understanding and control. Just forget about it and go with the flow of life.
>>55541143
>Or we can do it slowly over time before we reach "impending doom" status
It doesn't matter if you do it slowly or quickly.
That will be the result, unless there is some revolutionary technology which gets around it.
Never rely on previous innovations to predict new ones though. That's something I see way too often.
>We've been coming up with all kinds of neat solutions for thousands of years! Look at all this innovation recently! We'll be creating food out of thin air soon!
>>55534332
The whole global warming argument is irrelevant when the chinese are pumping toxic shit into the sky that gets into the jet-stream that travels around the globe.
Or the piles of garbage that southeast asia/other third world countries are dumping into the pacific. Or the sewage that flows up from tijuana into southern san diego beaches infecting little kids with hep a/b or e coli infection. There are other immediate problems besides global warming.
>>55534332
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/03/europe/france-weatherman-sacked-climate/
Not even 2 weeks ago.
Daily reminder that global warming is a religion.
>>55541449
Dude, you do it slowly over time and replace it with a viable technology. That was the point.
The point
-----------------------
Your head
I hope being a contrarian just for the sake of it gets you somewhere one day
>>55541845
>Dude, you do it slowly over time and replace it with a viable technology.
Except, I already addressed that point.
If the technology was viable, it'd be in use already.
Unless you're one of these dumbasses that actually believe that the oil industry actually has patents for free energy devices that they're just letting collect dust until the oil runs out.
>>55541944
Just because its viable doesnt mean its more efficient. Thats the problem with fossil fuels though--they are convenient, but eventually they run out
There are viable enough technologies to replace some industries right now. The technologies only begin to improve once they are in use
>>55542094
>There are viable enough technologies to replace some industries right now.
Like what, specifically?
>>55534332
Even if they believe in it they don't care. That's what you need to understand, non-whites just use it to gain a leg up on whites who have to spend more on production to make it "green".
>>55541944
And not only did I address that point, I pointed out that oil is a finite resource, and we're going to have to anyway.
You're fucking boobing over diseases now, just you wait for a couple hundred years at the current growth rate.
That's what Hitler was working on. Perpetual sustainability. All ethical concerns are arbitrary feels in light of objective reality. Denying reality or patiently waiting for something that has no guarantee will leave you disappointed. You gotta jump on the problems before they approach detrimental levels that you can't feasibly get control of.
It's like a forest fire. How do they control it? By controlled burns. They get in there and burn a line through before the fire gets there, put it out while it's still manageable, and then it can't spread past that point.
>>55542285
>That's what Hitler was working on. Perpetual sustainability.
Bwahahahahahaha.
>>55542094
Which fossil fuel has run out to this point?
>>55534332
You have to understand that there are shitloads of older people on this planet who, up until fairly recently, were ridiculed for not believing that they would go to hell unless they obeyed the Bible, and who were told throughout their entire life, with statistics and science in support, that the Earth would be uninhabitable within a few years due to a variety of cataclysmic man-made events unless you gave them all your money and put them in charge of the country.
You'll never convince these people that Global Warming is real because it follows that exact same pattern.
>>55535691
It doesn't matter, son.
You see, the thing about you politicized scientists is, you're ignoring one very important problem with global warming...
You cannot stop it unless you're prepared to wipe out 9/10ths of the human population OR have every single human live like a Luddite.
As long as we use technology, warming WILL continue. There is no countering it.
And warming WILL happen regardless anyway, just like it has thousands of times over the course of earth's history.
In stead of curbing the global warming, you fucknuts should be trying to help humans adapt to the coming changes. That's actually a feasible plan.
Signed, a chemist
>>55542573
Even if it is true, handing over absolute power to politicians in hopes they will solve it is quite frankly fucking retarded, and in America at least, would destroy the country and be used as an excuse to put even more hapless bungling fingers in more pies.
I am going to throw myself on hitlery Clinton's tender mercies in hopes that she can save the world?
I think not.
>deny
nobody denies global warming except idiots
we're saying global warming is being used to make money off of you retards
riddle me this, brilliant OP:
How come nobody shilling global warming ever proposes nuclear power as an alternative? It's the most efficient, most safe form of power production we as a species have ever produced - nothing else even comes close.
>>55542481
You can laugh all you want.
Want another joke?
This is the shit they talk about at those big scary Bilderberg meetings. Objective solutions which toss ethical concerns out the window. They want to get control of these out of control birth rates. They want to get control of these governments that take advantage of countries like ours who weaken our economy because "muh asthma" while they don't give a fuck.
THE GLOBALISTS are only your enemy in the sense that they're not concerned about your grandma dying of cancer, because that's 1 down out of 75,000,000 additional people every year worldwide. They're the ones who are exploiting these developing countries for resources. They're the ones making the standard of living you currently enjoy possible, and you fight them every god damned step of the way because you're so used to it that you can't even understand the principle of sacrifice anymore.
But you keep telling yourself that I just want an excuse to kill people, or watch them suffer for no reason.
>>55535691
>Maximum variation of 0.5 degrees celcius
I have a hard time seeing how this is relevant considering summers go up to +30 and winters down to -30 here.
An increase of 0.5c means it will now be +30.5 and -29.5?
How is this impactfull in any way? Is there really shit that's going to die because of that point 5 fucking difference?
>>55542896
>How come nobody shilling global warming ever proposes nuclear power as an alternative?
Because modern "scientists" are 95% political activists.
>>55540112
>Temperatures have been warmer than today for almost all of the past 10,000 years.In fact, if the chart went further back, you’d see that temperatures have been warmer than today for most of geologic history.
Look, it's the village idiot!
I wish people would stop saying
>DA TEMPERATURES ARE DIFFERENTTT!
Comparing modern temperatures to anything beyond 40 years ago is useless because we didn't have anywhere near the same accuracy. At best - at BEST - we can make guesses.
A Stevenson screen in 1880 was not the same quality as one in 2013.
>>55540112
I love your image. I worked years with geologists in northern Canada, and they had so many interesting factoids about the ice ages.
Like almost every mountain in that region is a flat, smooth ramp facing north, and a sharp drop facing south. Because they were worn down by the repeat ice ages.
Or that you can look closely at any large exposed rock surface in that area and see parallel lines in the stone. Those are caused by the advancing glaciers too.
>>55542201
Solar, batteries charged with wind. It still sucks too much to replace everything with it, but you could totally harness enough wind power to drive a tractor.
>>55542552
None yet, but it is a fallacy to believe we have to run out of something before we replace it. In reality, the remaining resources will just be so expensive to extract that it wont be worth it anymore. We see this happening with oil already
>>55534803
I'm starting to worry that socialists are the majority. Everywhere I look there are bernc.u.c.ks and anytime an article shows up about rich people, all the comments pile on and complain that the rich don't deserve their wealth.
I think the people who caused the recession scapegoated bankers and capitalists well enough that they created a generation of retarded socialists.
>>55543242
>Solar, batteries charged with wind. It still sucks too much to replace everything with it, but you could totally harness enough wind power to drive a tractor.
>completely ignored nuclear
NUCLEAR IS A BAWMMM IT WILL EXPLOAD MY GREENPEACE PROFESSOR SAID SO!
This is why you envirocucKs are idiots
>>55543242
Thanks for the cheap giggle, chump stain.
>>55534332
About half of Canada doesn't believe in it.
Even DUDE WEED himself told an activist that global warming was "sanctimonious crap."
>>55543486
There's a difference between not believing in it and not buying into greenpeace bullshit.
Greenpeace is the sole reason that USA hasn't built a new nuclear reactor in almost 50 years, and instead ramped up our fossil fuel consumption. Thanks, chucklefucks.
>>55543322
Huh? When did I say I was against nuclear? I'd be all for it. Especially like thorium and shit
>>55543328
Same to you, cum stain
>>55543242
>but you could totally harness enough wind power to drive a tractor
No you couldn't. Heavy equipment requires a lot of energy to work.
Physics is a real dick.
>>55538895
I think something should be done for the sake of air quality. Like in China, where millions of people die every year from breathing problems.
But that's their problem. We in the West have clean air for the most part and have done our share.
>>55538558
The areas with the largest populations and/or currently undergoing the highest rates of population growth are overwhelmingly low-lying and coastal, or in regions undergoing desertification and rapid temperature rise. This change is going to result in conflict, and already is.
Prepare for mass migrations of Floridians, Californians, Bangladeshis, even more Syrians, Iraqis, Saudis, Indians, Nigerians, and Iranians.
You think it's bad now. It'll be a complete global disaster in 20 years.
>>55543564
"Like dude, all you have to do is have a wind farm to power your farm farm."
You have no idea about mechanized agriculture, do you?
>>55534332
>generic global warming article on any german news-site
>comments are 90% anti man-made GW.
nobody believes that shit.
Putin said it was bullshit. A climatologist for The French government just got fired for calling it bullshit. A former Austrailian government climatologist said it was bullshit.
>>55543322
Here's the thing about nuclear energy.
It's a little hard to sell people on the idea that they can be built and managed responsibly when the committees responsible for overseeing that process stick them on a shore line along a fault line.
The fears that they can fuck shit up if you don't be careful with them are valid and understandable. The fears that corruption of the industry itself can lead to catastrophe are already confirmed. Nuclear power is awesome, but so are guns, and you don't want guns in the hands of sociopaths, so why would you put something even more powerful in their hands?
>>55543736
>germans
>denying real problems
Can't say I'm surprised.
>>55543791
>It's a little hard to sell people on the idea that they can be built and managed responsibly when the committees responsible for overseeing that process stick them on a shore line along a fault line.
maybe they wouldn't be built there if instead the energy could be imported from USA where it has large stretches of land nowhere near fault lines
it's almost as if shitting on nuclear energy became a self fulfilling prophecy
>>55542094
>but eventually they run out
not for another 200 years.
>>55543607
Charge a battery bro. Its not rocket science
>>55543821
those people are a minority as well.
>>55543893
>Charge a battery
what kind of super-battery are we talking bout?
>>55543322
The issue with nuclear is twofold - storage of waste and cost. A 2GW nuclear grid-scale plant costs 4-5 times as much as a combined-cycle 2GW natural gas plant. For private utility providers, that's simply not a feasible upfront cost.
The only exception is in the south where rates levied on the consumers by an integrated utility company can cross-subsidize the project. This is why new plants are being build in Georgia/South Carolina/Tennessee etc.
>>55543837
>it's almost as if shitting on nuclear energy became a self fulfilling prophecy
Indeed.
>>55543926
Right? lel
>>55543781
LOTS of people are starting to think it's bullshit. Skepticism is growing.
Liberals want to believe it's real because it means fighting the boss man and fighting the profits.
>>55543893
>gets 500 feet down the field pulling an 8-gang plow, then dies
WELP, better charge the battery for another 12 hours!
>>55543981
Its also money for NGOs.
remember: Lobbying is only bad if THEY do it.
>>55543893
"Yo construction dudes. Next to the building your building just build a giant solar array the size of your building you are building so that you can operate the crane. Real simple bro."
>>55543837
It's tough to convince people to build a nuclear plant next to their town. I can see that. There have been some pretty devastating disasters.
>>55543981
>>55544033
And oil companies are starting to shill for it because they figured out carbon caps keeps oil prices high.
>>55543937
>storage of waste
le greenpeace meme
you realize this was figured out decades ago, right?
radiation levels are subject to the inverse square law.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spent_fuel_pool
>>55535691
>1979-2011
>0.5 degree difference
>"the data is solid"
Leftists are so fucking good at lying. For every 100 people you show this data only 1 would see through the lies.
>>55544094
>There have been some pretty devastating disasters.
Lets test this hypothesis, Chang.
Pennsylvania is a unique state that is home to one of the worst nuclear disasters in US(and technically, the world)'s history. Nobody died from the Three Mile Island incident, absolutely zero deaths or cancers can be attributed to it in any peer reviewed study.
But wait!
Pennsylvania also had the Avondale mine fire. It killed 110 people.
Pennsylvania has been home to dozens of mine fires - certain fires, like Centralia Mine, are still on fire to this day. FYI, Centralia won't go out for over 250 years from now.
>>55534332
People who deny global warming actually terrify me. Like giving someone a ridiculous amount of mind altering substances and a loaded gun in a crowd of people. First off: global warming would exist withOUT the presence of humans. The main catalyst being gravity: gravity pulls a star farther away/closer to another star, that original star will have a change in temperature. Of course humans can affect this but only in a very small way.
>>55543270
Think hard about why you'd see more berniemanbergwitzenfeld fans on the Internet than the wealthy...
We've been told we just hit the "point of no return" for almost 30 years- "oh but wait it's real this time, guise. Those last ones were just a prank, bro!"
Bull-fucking-shit.
>>55539281
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esgHkglhG-U
>>55543937
>storage
you guys got mountains in the desert right?
>>55535442
>data
>the data
>won't someone acknowledge my data
Computer models are not data. The only actual "data" we've ever seen about this absurd notion of global warming (oops, I meant "climate change") was proven to be completely falsified by these "climate scientists" you morons keep citing.
That big volcano that erupted in Iceland a few years ago ejected more CO2 than all mankind in history, and you're telling me we're somehow killing the planet. Our CO2 output is equal to something like 0.001% of the CO2 the planet produces.
Climate change is a fucking hoax to line pockets and push agendas.
