>Muslims are awful and naturally stupid!
>Forgets about the Islamic Golden Age
Nice try /pol/.
The current failure of Islam is dedicated to the failure of socio-economic reasons within the region.
>>55530778
Meme post but
>uses Haiga Sophia in OP
>built by orthodox Christians
>>55530778
Where did you think this thread was going to go OP?
are you just bored?
>>55530778
>muslims can do shit too guys!
>posts a cathedral built by Christians
am I being trolled?
daily reminder during the Islamic Golden Age, everything was ran by blacks who gave culture and even taught the barbaric cave ape white people in the north to bathe
this was all before the mongols invaded and displaced the ancient, black, islamic kingdoms
>>55530778
Whole golden age was built on stolen knowledge on slaves that were brought by Europe.
The most brilliant thing they did was not kill the slaves that figured it all out of them
>>55530778
Yeah, I'm gonna ask you to remove the mudshit minarets and return the Hagia Sophia to us, thx
>>55530778
>let's rest on our thousand year laurels
>>55530855
>>55530943
fucking retards.. that's the blue mosque. Designed and built by Ottomans.
I know intelligence doesn't come naturally to you people, but come on.. try a little.
>>55530855
>>55530943
>>55530935
>>55531039
Are you guys retarded?
This is the Sultan Ahmed Mosque.
I really didn't expect for the IQ of /pol/ to be passed 40.
>>55531029
>Whole golden age was built on stolen knowledge on slaves that were brought by Europe.
And how much knowledge did whites steal from other civilizations?
You're no less a kek.
>>55531111
Considering the past 100 years on scientific research I'd say none.
>>55530778
>>Forgets about the Islamic Golden Age
>Golden Age
islam never had a golden age. Just some years when they were less shitty as usual.
>>55531055
Mate, thats some strayan level trolling, i am legitimetly mad.
>>55531111
checkd
/pol/ BTFO
see
>>55530997
for the full explanation
Yes thank God those muslims invented X which we still use today.
Fill in X.
>>55530778
>The current failure of Islam is dedicated to the failure of socio-economic reasons within the region.
So? Doesn't make me hate the honourless Devil-worshipping heathens any less...
>>55530778
>Islamic "golden age"
Yeah, ripping off other's work and claiming it as yours. Fuck off, pedophile apologist.
ITT: /pol/ sounding suspiciously like Afrocentrists
>>55531305
that explains the "Renaissance" in a nutshell.
>>55531305
>>55531306
>>55531343
I actually believe in the "Islamic Golden Age" being somewhat of a history buff but I fail to see how this in any way makes up for all the vile bullshit they've been up to for the past 30+ years if not more.
There's only so many times you can play the card of "my great-great-great-great-great-grandfather invented Algebra."
>>55531343
>WE WUZ SULTANS AND SHIT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwXtTwNvWXc
/muslims/ BTFO
>>55531409
>There's only so many times you can play the card of "my great-great-great-great-great-grandfather invented Algebra."
There are only so many times people will spend the time debunking that
After that, they'll just shrug or say ok m8
>>55530778
There never was a "Golden Age" for these mongrels. All their achievments were made by jews or moderate shitheads wo didn't follow the quran / local imam.
>>55530778
turks are the whitest muslims, that's why.
>>55531242
Goat fucking
>>55531174
Europe didn't have any relevance until 200-300 years ago.
All civilizations have their peaks, and Europe is at its own.
>>55531184
Not really.
They were pretty good.
>>55531242
There's a lot but here's one you might be familiar with :
University.
>>55531305
>All of white civilization
KEK, nice job.
>>55531306
Refer to the above one. Also
>Lithuania
>relevant
>>55531409
How is this any different from whites?
"Slavery? Forget about it?"
"Successes from a different race? Forget about it!"
The point is that all civilizations have peaks, and that Islam isn't naturally evil.
>>55531426
>[citation needed]
>[citation needed]
>[citation needed]
>>55531519
SOUNDS LIKE WHITE PEOPLE
Holy shit, you guys are keks.
>>55530997
Eh
>>55531491
I mean who cares? All Hakmed ever did was rape camels, under-age girls, and set people on fire while making that stupid fucking trilling noise. So what if his grampa was good at math? Hakmed is human garbage.
>>55530778
>Failure of Islam
>Current
The history of the entire world would be better and more evolved overall without Islam and Mohammed. Since day 1 all they've done is screw up other societies and steal their crap while contributing very little themselves.
>>55531584
>relevant.
One day.
>>55530778
>socio-economic
What is religion but the basis on which social features and economy rests? It is easy to loot enough for a nice building. Then the world gradually changed and production took the place of looting. Islam has been associated with an uninterrupted 'sociaeconomical' decline ever since.
And on an historical note. The concept of an Islamic Golden Age adheres to either one of two concepts:
Concept A: The earliest Islam, in which Arab scholars had not yet been pacified by the doctrin of Islam. This is 'Islamic Age' is a paradox, since Islam ended it. It like contributing Freddy Mercurys talent to AIDS. It doesn't make any fucking sence to anyone but Muslims and SJWs.
Concept B: A very meager sauce with chuncks of Byzantine architecture and a few (alarmingly few) Platon-plagiarists. Even this broader age ended before 1300 (real timescale, not satanic). This narrative falls flat on its fucking face when scrutinized even a bit.
Summed up: Given the territorry, timescale and total number of accomplishments, it is safe to conclude that: A: Islam is the worst socioeconomic construction besides whatever abboriginals do, and B: God hates Islam
>>55531584
>Europe didnt have any relevance untill 200-300 years ago.
>ignores the romans.
>Alexander the Great.
>Charlemagne.
>>55531409
Literally just leftover knowledge from Alexander when he conquered Asia minor, and the Romans when the Turks pushed back the ottoman empire
>>55530778
>Islam was "cool" half a century ago
>This mean it should be applied now
Nice try Erdogan.
>>55531584
Because Islam is evil NOW, Hakmed. I don't care about Islam 500 years ago or Islam on Mars, I care about Islam in my country, TODAY.
>>55530778
What did you expect from stormfags? Even Hitler and Napoleon knew Islam was the master religion.
>>55531621
[citation needed]
>steal their crap while contributing very little themselves.
How hard can you guys circlejerk on this?
Nice double standard.
>>55531584
Googling 'who invented universities' literally gives you 3 different answers on the first page, Muslims, poo in loos and Christians.
If the only thing you can cite is a centralized area of learning then you're not being very convincing.
>>55530778
They destroyed their blood by coal burning and inbreeding. It's sad.
>>55531584
>Europe didn't have any relevance until 200-300 years ago.
Never went to middle school ?
>>55531671
>Roman Empire
>Literally an empire destroyed by white people and saved by Arabs
Nice example!
>>55530778
That's a roman building you know
>Islamic Golden age that destroyed ancient literature
OK
>>55530778
And inbreeding. They like to marry their cousins. It's been going on for centuries, long enough to fuck up their gene pool.
>>55531111
Quads!
He deserves every backup.
>>55531668
>gets invaded by America
>countless CIA proxy wars
>blames it on Islam
Wow retarded? Even under Gaddafi Lybia has the highest standard of living in Africa and now has one of the lowest after NATO overthrew him. Even Hitler based National Socialism on Islamic laws and look how he brought Germany out of a depression and into a global super power.
>>55531788
>saved by arabs
>>55531621
The Jews and muslims trace back to Abraham. One of Abraham's great-grandsons saved the world from starvation.
The muslim great-grandson was the slaver who bought him and sold him to Egypt.
>>55530778
Current Islam is the cancer of the world.
And if it takes Europe it will start going backwards there.
Muslims with Europe, Possible Nuclear weapons. Islam taking the planet, would be the worst catastrophe since the dark ages.
We would literally have a 1000-2000 year dark ages. After, from the ruins, we will realize it was the cancer of our modern human race.
We always learn the hard way, and after the fact.
There are good muslim people. But the religion is destroying the modern world.
why is there so many snackbars ITT?
why is this even a thing that snackbar visits 4chan?
if it's not haram for you, then you damn sure should be aware that you are not welcomed here
ALL the muzzie-shilling faggots in this thread - go die in a fire
>>55531910
Taqiyya is only supposed to be used in specific times of hazard, you kek.
>>55530778
You dumb nigger that's the Basilica di Santa Sophia church. They stole it and put some space dildos near it. Fuck muzzies.
>>55531937
All inventions made today:
- asians
- jews
- america (most diverse white country)
Nice try kek.
>>55531952
>that's how you spot a muzzie lover
Taqiyya your mother, you triple kukked
Optics:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alhazen
University:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatima_al-Fihri
Cryptography and frequency spectrum:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_cryptography
I could go on, but it's an exercise in futility. You have a predetermined disposition on this topic, so there's no point in trying to change your minds.
>>55530778
>The current failure of Islam is dedicated to the failure of socio-economic reasons within the region.
American education system fails again.
>>55530778
>The current failure of Islam is dedicated to the failure of socio-economic reasons within the region
>socio-economic reasons
socio-economic reasons
>socio-economic reasons
>>55531584
>Europe didn't have any relevance until 200-300 years ago.
>All civilizations have their peaks, and Europe is at its own.
Funny how this peak is so much higher than all the others, and the rest of world has almost everything is has because we're sharing.
>>55530778
Shoo shoo jew
>>55531969
>space dildos
>>55531875
>Even Hitler based National Socialism on Islamic laws
>[citation needed]
>>55531797
That's the blue mosque in istanbul.
You are mixing it up with hagia sophia(that looks alike and is in the same city)
>>55531584
At least one guy get's it. Thank you bro. Educated people are so rare these days...
>>55531982
quoted wrong post?
>>55532053
>Funny how this peak is so much higher than all the others, and the rest of world has almost everything is has because we're sharing.
Funny how this peak only is within Europe while many other countries struggle.
This 'peak' is thanks to the early 'successes' from colonialism.
>Tunisia: large muslim population; still murder and terror after a revolution
>Lybia: large muslim population; still murder and terror after a revolution
>Egypt: large muslim population; shoots down civilian airplanes after a revolution
>Palestina: large muslim population; fights the jews for 30 years and will do this until no one is left alive there
>Syria: large muslim population; civil war
>India: large muslim population; 500 million people can't poo in the loo
>Turkey: large muslim population; all clinging to their ottoman past, can't do shit without europe or the nato
You sand-niggers did some cool shit in the past, I give you that. how about you stop shitting up your own countries and start building up some shit instead of destroying everything?
>>55531306
That pic is not even Muhammad
>>55532053
>peak is so much higher than all the others
>cannot even into math
What is logarithmic growth? I'm guessing you also look at stock prices linearly.
>>55532090
Try actually looking a the laws thee had, they are pretty much identical.
>>55532196
>CIA covert ops
>CIA "revolutions"
>false cause logical fallacy
OP is either some edgy faggot or above avarege skill troll
either way, fuck you
time to leave this pointless retarded thread
>>55532250
>Substantiate my bullshit yourself
Muslims are pleasant as usual.
>>55531713
True citation. Also sad.
>>55531875
>Not apple to not getting fucked over for 200 years strait.
Heroin adicts and Muslims... Cry me a river.
You change your religion or you perish. You wilfully uphold societies not apple to function. Whatever spillover effects reaches the civilized world gets dealt with with bombs.
Muslims are hands off the biggest, saddest crybaby pussies in existence. I know addicts with more dicnity than the average muslim.
>>55532359
You know in that quote, it's Himmler saying what I just said.
>>55530778
>Islamic Golden Age
You mean where they invaded a Christian Country, sat on their asses for several centuries until Napoleon and the British Empire literally walk on them?
>posting a copy of the Haga Sophia, because muslims can't do anything original except violence.
>>55530778
>Islamic Golden Age
lol
really, faggot?
arabs just took they few books they didnt destroyed and put it in an arab library
Sassanians and the byzantines were already in golden age
thanks to them that zone is a shithole
>>55532388
Are you retarded? It's like it's summer again. You do know before the US started invading countries in the ME for oil, terrorists and all this stuff didn't exist. You sound like one of those retards who hasn't even graduated from university.
It's also ironic how all these immigrants are in Europe because of what NATO did to people like Gaddafi, Saddam, doing to Assad etc..
>>55530778
Dude, this is /pol/; they're never gonna admit that the guy who actually figured out how our eyes work was a muslim. Or any other accomplishments of muslims. They just want to lump all muslims together.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_To-cV94Bo
>>55532447
Huh, look at that :
>Mohammed knew that most people are terribly cowardly and stupid. That is why he promised two beautiful women to every courageous warrior who dies in battle. This is the kind of language a soldier understands. When he believes that he will be welcomed in this manner in the afterlife, he will be willing to give his life, he will be enthousiastic about going to battle and not fear death. You may call this primitive and you may laugh about it, but it is based on deeper wisdom. A religion must speak a man's language.
>>55532511
>Sassanian and Byzantines which were at constant war with each other were in a Golden age
Lrn 2 history or common sense and logic atleast. It's like how black people think Egyptians were black, you people have to deny the Islamic Golden Age.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age#Science
>>55532629
I like how it leaves out the 8th, 4th, 5th crusade. This garbage is pretty much made up as it is literally just random dots with no sources even pertaining to what battle it is.
>>55532765
Talk to Bill and pay better attention next time. Also don't miss his longer lectures.
>>55532630
So he's right?
>Mahomet was a great man, an intrepid soldier; with a handful of men he triumphed at the battle of Bender (sic); a great captain, eloquent, a great man of state, he revived his fatherland and created a new people and a new power in the middle of Arabia.
Napoleon I of France in Précis des guerres de César, Gosselin, 1836, edited by Comte Marchand, p. 237. This work was written by Napoleon during his exile on St. Helena. Translated by Ziad Elmarsafy in The Enlightenment Qur'an
Neil Degrasse Tyson says it ended cause their religion turned to shit...
https://youtu.be/WZCuF733p88
>>55532835
I saw this stuff years ago, it's literally pseudo revisionist history and they have been caught making up lies. This guy is a failed biologist not a historian and is pretty much a known stormfag and thinks Islam existed during Ancient Rome. Like I said, it's literal stupidity and I even pointed out how they leave out half the crusades.
>>55532925
Actual historians know it went into decline after the Mongol invasions, that and progressivism.
>>55531886
Still destroyed by snowniggers.
The sand niggers did a pleasant job desu.
>>55531721
Whats the pic even saying?
>>55532504
>Haga Sophia
THATS NOT IT YOU FUCKING SNOWNIGGER. At least fucking know the differences between the buildings your so proud about.
>>55532511
>few books
Lol okay. A epic collection would be more accurate.
>>55530778
Posits that Muslims are capable of building beautiful buildings.
Posts Greek church built by European Christians.
To be fair mudslime books and studies did influence the renaissance quite a bit. It's the present now though, history is history, all muslims should be purged.
>>55532858
>So he's right?
I don't know. He said nazi laws were like Islamic laws but he hasn't provided anything other than some Himmler quotes, which is hardly conclusive.
It's pretty certain that, on /pol/, he's gonna say that Islam is basically nazism and that, on some other cantonese image board, he's gonna say that it's secular liberalism.
Muslims lie all the time and pander to their audience. (Nobody denies that Mo conquered shit and unified the Arabian peninsula, btw. We just don't care.)
>>55532578
>terrorists and all this stuff didn't exist.
Look it up. Since the 1990s Islamic terrorism has been a stable of the region. The Islamic revival which turned to violence as far back as the 80s was founded by theologists in the 1870s. You sound like one of those Americans who does not fathom any concept of history which does not evolve around a cheeseburger.
>Gaddafi, Saddam, doing to Assad etc..
We actually agree on this one. Saddam and Gadaffi only panderred to religion during war situations. It seems to hold true for Assad as well. That said, the Arabs are terribly bad at filling their powervacuums, and Islam is pretty much the only sharred marker for theese abbominations. You might have the luxury of living far away from large quanteties of Muslims. I dont.
And if you are a muslim, then please ask yourself why every Muslim is trying to get away from any Muslim country. And feel free to conclude that the CIA is the reason. I fucking love olympic fence-reasoning.
>>55531721
dark ages didn't happen
>>55533216
Islam without all the religious stuff is pretty much National Socialism. For example pic related is Gaddafi's implementation of traditional Islamic laws, it's no different from Nazi Germany
>>55533107
I dunno bro he kinda makes sense to me. Saudis get .7 trillion dollars in oil monies now every year. Can you tell me of some recent Arab inventions?
>>55532629
That woman is spooky. Is she real?
>>55530778
Muslims were already starting shit with Thomas Jefferson and colonial America.
>>55531584
>>55533274
Sources? The start of modern terrorism started with the Mujaheddin during the Cold War. Before this "terrorism" was just seen as any crime with the intent of public disorder and the Ottomans executed and suppressed people like this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone
The Ottomans literally waged war against "terrorists"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman%E2%80%93Wahhabi_War
Saddam and Gaddafi were like the Islamic leaders of the Caliphates the same ones who prospered the Golden Age.
You clearly have no idea what is going on in the Middle East. During the 1930s, no Muslim was trying to get away from Muslim countries. After the Cold War when the US started waging wars in the Middle East for control of their economies and resources did these people start leaving and the destabilized region provided growth for "terrorist organizations". If you actually think this has to do with "Islam" you are clearly retarded as nothing in modern warfare has to do with religion but control of natural resources.
"Control oil and you control nations; control food and you control the people. We told the military that we would have to take over seven Middle Eastern countries for their resources and they have nearly completed their job. We all know what I think of the military, but I have to say they have obeyed orders superfluously this time. It is just that last stepping stone, i.e. Iran which will really tip the balance."
>>55533443
Yeah no Lybia was paradise on earth I get it I would totally have left my snow nigger home to go live there. I'm just a filthy Kaffir though and can't seem to abandon my Kaffir ways.
Every body knows muslim countries are awesome and Islam is the most perfect of system.
You should go live in a muslim country since you're a debout muslim. You're so lucky that you can and I can't. I wish I was saved.
:^(
>>55531584
>>55531707
These.
>>55531529
pink desu
>>55532504
fucking retard. It's called the Blue Mosque.
Jesus fucking Christ, I'm not sure how with an IQ below 40 you're able to function...
>>55533501
You can just google it. First result.
http://islam.wikia.com/wiki/Inventions_in_the_modern_Islamic_world#Astronautics_and_Spaceflight
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2148877/The-latest-entrant-space-race--Egypt-19-year-old-student-invents-futuristic-warp-drive-satellites.html
It's not a surprise that astrophysicist does not know about history. People who blame things on religion tend to be stupid on this subject.
The Saudis get $700 billion in profits, I'm not sure what this has to do with this, but it's as stupid as saying America should it's revenue of $2.1 trillion on NASA. Which is something this guy is known for saying.
>>55533761
I already own several homes by the beach in Egypt. Yes Lybia has the highest standard of living in Africa, until he got killed by a a certain country after the planned on introducing a gold currency to Africa. It seems that you retards like blaming Islam for problems caused by your countries and corporations.
https://www.rt.com/news/economy-oil-gold-libya/
It's ironic how this "regime change" lead to ISIS's rise.
>>55533501
Kek theres a metric shitton of arabs working in NASA right now.
Even saudis are BEGINNING to contribute to the scientific world.
>>55530778
>Islamic Golden Age
and then sits back and rests on their laurels for the next thousand years while Europe and America soars past them
>>55533501
W8 actually that's their GDP, not profits. Which is he actually said that would now make me think he was one of those retarded people like Bernie who didn't know anything about how economies world.
>>55534139
Dude, I don't give a shit.
Live in Egypt, don't live in Egypt, be rich, be not rich. I don't care about you.
I just want to be able to have a beer with people in a bar, including women, and then say that Islam is bullshit and go home while not living under a caliphate.
But you people want to fuck with my simple dreams.
reeeeee.........
>muh history
Fascinating. Not relevant to the issue at large, which is that Muslims are shit people now.
>>55534325
K, you can do that. Canada is also not a Caliphate.
>>55532693
look you dirty arab niggers, you fucking fag destroyed many people and their culture for your shit religion
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age#Science
that is fucking shit
and its funny because they got that golden age after they conquered the iranians and most of MENA
they didnt get that on their own
accept that you arabs are subhumans and your girls only fuck niggers
>>55533113
>A epic collection would be more accurate.
they just used the knowledges of iranians, arameans, assyrians, babylonians, etc
>>55533715
>The Ottomans literally waged war against "terrorists"
The Ottomans waged war against whoever made any territorial claims against them. The Wahhabis denied the Ottomans access to Mecca, hence they had to act. The Ottomans did jack shit to quell neither bandits in Rumelia nor Pirates in the mediteranian. As long as they kept themselves from looting key state assets.
>During the 1930s, no Muslim was trying to get away from Muslim countries.
No large cuanteties of Muslims where allowed to enter Europe. And if you knew just an ounce about North Africa, The Ottoman Empire or Arabia in general, you would know that their elites kept swarming European cities.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hassan_al-Hudaybi
Here is some really civilized brotherhood for you. A group you have supported since the PLO gained traction btw.
>Saddam and Gaddafi were like the Islamic leaders of the Caliphates the same ones who prospered the Golden Age.
In the sence that they where all leaders of dysfunctional authocraties with little prospect of fostering a civil society, yes.
You must be an AKP-Turk. You swallow late Ottoman propaganda like it was semen!?
>>55534405
But then you fucking come to Canada and you're all like "omg Islam is the shit".
For fuck sake I don't want that shit to spread near my house.
Shoooo. I said shooooooooooooooooo.
I mean look at this shit :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCPetgvC58w
Will someone rid us of that troublesome Imam?
>>55534444
>destroyed many people and their culture for your shit religion
Like who? Everyone of the former nations under the Caliphate survived and their culture was preserved and assimilated.
You're literally from a 3rd world island so you clearly do not get a good education. They got that Golden Age because of their political leadership. The same way America became better than Britain after it came up with better ideas and a political system.
You also clearly do not understand how conquering works, those people switched their loyalty and saw themselves as citizens of their new rulers. You literally sound like a buttblasted kekhold.
>>55534644
Didn't Islam completely eradicate the Zoroastrian religion, wiped out the Buddhist influence out of Afghanistan and destroyed the Hindu culture of Pakistan?
Not to mention the fact that Turkey and north Africa used to be Christian.
I don't know man, that looks like a lot of cultural imperialism to me tbqh senpai.
>>55534190
Are they practising muslims?
>>55534312
380 Billion revenue, sorry guy
>>55534011
>Top person on the list is a non-practing soviet
Also could you write your the last sentence in english?
>>55534474
Wahhabists are pretty much terrorists. Bandits and pirates were already criminals and were like drug cartels of that time. They did a lot to stop people like that around their zone of control.
>their elites kept swarming European cities
During the 1930s and before America started waging war in the ME. Aside from colonialism which brought in merchants from those nations.
The MB are like the stormfags of the Middle East.
"dysfunctional authocraties"
Wow you believe those war propaganda about people who tried to break away from the global economy? Saddam the guy who killed the US backed Al-CIAda and Gaddafi which jailed ISIS members being backed by the CIA?
I'm not even a Turk and don't even know what AKP is. You people are nothing more than retards desu.
>>55534644
>Like who? Everyone of the former nations under the Caliphate survived and their culture was preserved and assimilated.
HUH?
What?
where are the babylonians, arameans, phoneicians, assyrians, egyptians, elamites, medians and other iranian groups?
>You're literally from a 3rd world island so you clearly do not get a good education
Me?
what the fuck are you talking about, Sand nigger shit?
i have more education than you and i dont need to leave my country to have a better life unlike you
>They got that Golden Age because of their political leadership
lies
why they got their "golden age" after conquering MENA?
why they didnt get it before?
even an arab general said that arabs cant live a minute without the iranians so what the fuck are you talking about?
Sassanians were already in their golden age the same for the byzantines
>You also clearly do not understand how conquering works, those people switched their loyalty and saw themselves as citizens of their new rulers
i know how it works, your people are shit and cant do shit for themselves, you deserve being fucking exterminated, arabshit
>>55534644
>You literally sound like a buttblasted kekhold.
Pic related
its a thick arab girl enjoying negro cock
how does this make you feel?
>>55534839
>Buddhist influence out of Afghanistan
it was only in some parts
the iranians there were Zoroastrian
>>55534839
>Hindu culture of Pakistan
only in the punjabi and Sindhi region
>>55534606
Doesn't Canada have hate speech laws anyway? It's not like he would even need to do that.
>>55534839
There is a difference between converting to another religion and being eradicated. If they eradicated the local population they would have no one to conquer or assimilate and would get no population growth. When people back then saw a nation that became a superpower and conquered two other superpowers they tend to think that their religion is true and convert. The same way African religions vanished after colonialism.
>>55534868
>the majority of them are practicing
>not to mention all the H1B immigrants
It's $293.1 billion as of 2010, which is essentially money they have for their budget, i.e income, to be spent on things like public infrastructure, welfare, debt, etc.. Actually suggesting they spend all their income on R&D is Bernie Sanders-tier
>>55535162
Are you, like, and anthropologist or like...dude...weed.
>>55534606
Based, I loved that interaction, you couldn't have said it better. If Muslims just take their shit and go home, no one would be giving them grief, they just need to fuck off.
>>55535356
>anthropologist
kind of
>>55531584
I am not even rustled.
I think I'm too old for /pol/...
>>55535099
Those people were already conquered by the Romans and the Persian empires. Which were the two empires that the Muslims conquered.
>i have more education than you
Yet you have no idea what you are talking about. I graduated from medical school already and work as a doctor at John Hopkins and I already made more than enough money to own property around the world.
>why they got their "golden age" after conquering MENA?
There is a thing called google.
>The various Quranic injunctions and Hadith, which place values on education and emphasize the importance of acquiring knowledge, played a vital role in influencing the Muslims of this age in their search for knowledge and the development of the body of science.
>The Muslim government heavily patronized scholars. The money spent on the Translation Movement for some translations is estimated to be equivalent to about twice the annual research budget of the United Kingdom’s Medical Research Council.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age#Causes
>even an arab general said that arabs cant live a minute without
Dumbest thing I've heard, they conquered the Persians.
>Sassanians were already in their golden age the same for the byzantines
Lol, no they weren't they were in a time of war with each other. This is basic history. I'm not even Arab Pedro. I'm just stating facts.
>i know how it works, your people are shit and cant do shit for themselves
Sounds like somebody is a edgy kek.
I don't really care about racemixing, I'm not a insecure cuuck. Why would I care about what two people who love each other do? Islam is multicultural, and as long as they are good responsible people, it's okay.
Most of the so-called Islamic Golden Age was just an expansion and repetition of Greek philosophy and science. The Europeans largely turned their back on Ancient Greece during this period while Islamic scholars continued to study Greek and translate its writers. They were librarians, not scientists
>>55535302
>There is a difference between converting to another religion and being eradicated. If they eradicated the local population they would have no one to conquer or assimilate and would get no population growth.
Don't play on word. I said Islam eradicated religions and cultural influences, not people. Making individuals second class citizen if they belong to a certain religious group is pretty shitty man.
Why does the west get shit for its imperialism and militarism but Islam doesn't? It's bullshit shilling.
(Or its because the west intelligentsia has repudiated its colonialist past and the Islamic intelligentsia never did because they still think they have god on their side, which justifies everything, but whatever.)
>>55534903
>Wow you believe those war propaganda about people who tried to break away from the global economy?
Nope. It still doesn't absolve them from sucking hard at global economy.
>The MB are like the stormfags of the Middle East.
Only they have Islam to hide behind. So nothing ever gets fixed.
>You people are nothing more than retards desu.
You tell me that I am a retard, yet you defend a culture which has yet to prove one instance of producing a civil society which does not rely on violence as its primary modus operandi. You need your precious diferentiation between terrorism and 'political violence' in all you reasoning. Now who is a CIA puppet?
In Europe, opserving islamic societies is a longtime passtime. And we realise how A-Z bullshit the concept of a War On Terrorism is.
Everytime Islamic societies face hardship they seek out their 'Islamic roots'. Everytime this happens more hardship is produced. Only a single Islamist party in Tunesia has so far given civil politics a real chance. And only time will tell if they are commited. Every other player has chosen the doctrine of Mohammed. Hence violence will only increase untill you discard your false belief. I have no love for Atheists. But they have a greater chance at heaven than any who calls the Quran a holy book.
>>55535655
>I graduated from medical school
You are a well esteemed craftsman. But dont embarras yourself.
>>55535302
>majority are practicing
Could you source that? Preferably not from a pro islam site like previously.
>Bernie-Sanders tier...
I was merely suggesting that the country that has the highest revenue from simple geo-resources maybe could spend some of that money on science instead of russian hookers...
>>55530778
> Persians and Egyptians enslave Christians and Jews
> Force slaves to translate and expand upon preserved Greek texts
> Collect gold and enslave more people
> Run empire on the backs of scholar-slaves
> Turks appear, kill everyone, burn the texts in the name of Islam
Islamic Golden Age, everyone.
>>55535680
>I said Islam eradicated religions and cultural influences
But it didn't, why do you need to make up lies?
>Making individuals second class citizen
They didn't do this, certain groups were put in protected classes. Like the Jews who were being persecuted by the Romans, so they were given special privileges.
>Why does the west get shit
It's just America that gets shit, because it actually ruins other countries for natural resources. Islam hasn't been in the imperialism business for 600 years.
>The medieval ecclesiastics, either through ignorance or bigotry, painted Muhammadanism in the darkest colours. They were in fact trained both to hate the man Muhammad and his religion. To them Muhammad was Anti-Christ. I have studied him — the wonderful man, and in my opinion far from being an Anti-Christ he must be called the Saviour of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much-needed peace and happiness.
George Bernard Shaw, as quoted in The Genuine Islam, Singapore, Vol. 1, No. 8, 1936
Arabs once rivaled Europeans in terms of architecture and culture. I don't give a fuck what the reasons are but they had some really cool shit. I don't know what happened but Africans never had a golden age. They may have been KINGZ AN KWEENZ but more recently they were slaves.
>>55535655
>Those people were already conquered by the Romans and the Persian empires. Which were the two empires that the Muslims conquered.
yeah and they still had their culture and language
you are just bullshitting and dont know what you are talking about
>Dumbest thing I've heard, they conquered the Persians.
see?
you dont know history at all
that really happened
>Yet you have no idea what you are talking about.
I do and you dont
>Lol, no they weren't they were in a time of war with each other.
and?
they still had more knowledge than arabs
you are desilusional, you cant accept that your people are shit
you deserve every bad that is happening to your people
>>55535908
>Arabs once rivaled Europeans in terms of architecture and culture
they never did that
they just took the knowledges from iranians, babylonians, arameans, egyptians, etc
>>55535895
>> Persians and Egyptians enslave Christians and Jews
>> Force slaves to translate and expand upon preserved Greek texts
what the fuck is this shit?
do you even know history?
>>55535687
Saddam and Gaddafi did the same thing Hitler and George Washington did, they fought against the Central Banking systems. You clearly are a retard here and your blind ignorance is actually turning you retarded.
>Only they have Islam to hide behind. So nothing ever gets fixed.
What does this even mean? Do you even know who the MB are?
>yet you defend a culture which has yet to prove one instance of producing a civil society which does not rely on violence as its primary modus operandi
The Umayyad Caliphate? Lybia? Al-Andalus? Turkey? Malaysia? etc...
Your literally blabbing on like a retard. It's literally US policy to overthrow leaders who go against the petrodollar hegemony.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw
Islam has nothing to do with the situation in the Middle East, as much as Christianity has anything to do with WW2. It seems that you are just a retard who is bent on demonizing Islam because of your nations immigration policies and possible sexual insecurities.
>The medieval ecclesiastics, either through ignorance or bigotry, painted Muhammadanism in the darkest colours. They were in fact trained both to hate the man Muhammad and his religion. To them Muhammad was Anti-Christ. I have studied him — the wonderful man, and in my opinion far from being an Anti-Christ he must be called the Saviour of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much-needed peace and happiness.
George Bernard Shaw, Nobel Prize 1925, as quoted in The Genuine Islam, Singapore, Vol. 1, No. 8, 1936
>>55530778
>Forgets about the Islamic Golden Age
I think you meant to say "Sassanid"
>>55535757
>According to a 2007 religious survey, 72% of Muslims believe religion is very important, which is higher in comparison to the overall population of the United States at 59%.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_the_United_States#Demographics
$290 billion dollars as a national budget is 3rd world tier you know. They're Saudis anyway.
>>55536001
They do. I literally provided evidence for my claims, whereas you're just making things up now. Persians still speak their native tongue and so does everyone else.
Reading your shit is making my IQ drop.
Here you go retard, I feel like this stupidity is making my brain melt. Especially for something that is easily google'd
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_inventions_in_the_medieval_Islamic_world
>The Islamic Golden Age refers to the period in Islam's history during the Middle Ages from the 8th century to the 13th century when much of the historically Arabic-speaking world was ruled by various caliphates, experiencing a scientific, economic, and cultural flourishing.[1][2][3] This period is traditionally understood to have begun during the reign of the Abbasid caliph Harun al-Rashid (786 to 809) with the inauguration of the House of Wisdom in Baghdad, where scholars from various parts of the world with different cultural backgrounds were mandated to gather and translate all of the world's classical knowledge into Arabic.[4][5] It is said to have ended with the collapse of the Abbasid Caliphate with the Mongol invasions and the Sack of Baghdad in 1258.[6] Several contemporary scholars, however, place the end of the Islamic Golden Age to be around the 16th to 17th centuries.[1][2][3]
>>55535900
>But it didn't, why do you need to make up lies?
Oh god not this tactic again.
>Make claim X
>Answer : "But claim X is false, why the lie?"
>No source, no argument
Stop keking my shit up senpai :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Zoroastrians
Is this a thing you guys repeat for yourself? Like, in your head you go "allahu ackbar, they are defaming my precious religion because they are arrogant infidel. This means I'm right"?
reeeee and so on.
>>55536432
>Persians still speak their native tongue
lol
those arent persians
those are just persianized arabs
>so does everyone else.
what?
where are the babylonians, arameans, assyrians,phoenicians, elamites, medians and other iranians groups?
>Here you go retard, I feel like this stupidity is making my brain melt. Especially for something that is easily google'd
the points, mahmoud they got that after conquering MENA, they didnt get none of that of their own
im done with you, you are too stupid, fuck off, "doktor"
>>55530778
"thou shall not construct pillars"
mosques are lego buildings wih multiple pillars.
islam is sin, fuck off baitlord.
>>55531910
>current
>>55536110
>Islam is very different, being ferociously intolerant. What I may call Manifold Monotheism becomes in the minds of very simple folk an absurdly polytheistic idolatry, just as European peasants not only worship Saints and the Virgin as Gods, but will fight fanatically for their faith in the ugly little black doll who is the Virgin of their own Church against the black doll of the next village. When the Arabs had run this sort of idolatry to such extremes [that] they did this without black dolls and worshipped any stone that looked funny, Mahomet rose up at the risk of his life and insulted the stones shockingly, declaring that there is only one God, Allah, the glorious, the great… And there was to be no nonsense about toleration. You accepted Allah or you had your throat cut by someone who did accept him, and who went to Paradise for having sent you to Hell. Mahomet was a great Protestant religious force, like George Fox or Wesley….
> Laurence, Dan H., Bernard Shaw: Collected Letters, 1926-1950 (London: Trustees of the British Museum, 1988), pp. 305-6.
All those nuances bruv.
>>55536513
>>55536513
What tactic? You do know you have to provide sources for your claims.
Can you list me some academic sources of these "eradicated religions and culture"
>Under the first four Caliphs, Persia remained predominantly Zoroastrian. Zoroastrians were awarded the status of People of the Book or dhimmi status by the Caliph Umar, although some practices contrary to Islam were prohibited.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Zoroastrians
I also don't see anything about them being eradicated as their culture still exists to this day.
>>55536110
>Saddam and Gaddafi did the same thing Hitler and George Washington did, they fought against the Central Banking systems.
George Washington didn't get tobbled, Hitler had to invade more than one country to get tobbled and Iran is still an Islamic no-bank republic.
>Do you even know who the MB are?
Muslim Brotherhood? Transnational religious organisation which dabbles in Islamic politics, hence why it has been an integrated part of assasination attempts and violence since the 1950s.
>The Umayyad Caliphate? Lybia? Al-Andalus? Turkey? Malaysia? etc...
Umayyad = Medieval gorefest, as encouraged by Islam.
Al-Andalus = -||-
Libya (Modern) = -||-
Anywhere from West-Sahara to Pakistan (I)srael not included) = -||-
Malaysia = Constitutional Monarchy
Turkey = Secular Republic
Conclussion: Add Islam to any kind of governance and you get a Medieval gorefest, as encouraged by Islam.
>Islam has nothing to do with the situation in the Middle East, as much as Christianity has anything to do with WW2.
WWII became possibble because a weakened church made room for ideologies based on Atheism. But Islam and Christianity is two different birds. Islam has let you to your crisis and Islam will prolong your crisis.
>something, something your dick got mollested when you where a baby. Freak!
>George Bernard Shaw (26 July 1856 – 2 November 1950) was a Nobel-Prize-winning Irish[1] playwright, critic and passionate socialist
A gay socialist? He is in hell with his (your) beloved prohet.
>>55536610
They're still Indo-Aryans, pic related.
> babylonians, arameans, assyrians,phoenicians, elamites, medians and other iranians groups
You know these people existed thousands of years before Islam, right?
>they didn't get none of that of their own
How hard is it for you to google?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Arab_scientists_and_scholars
do you guys think this is a slide thread
>>55536820
>Muhammad civilized barbarian Arabs
Something wrong?
>>55537012
What about the pre-islamic arabic gods? You know, the ones mohammed killed or forced to be converted. Those who were worshipped at the kabaa before mohammed captured mecca. :^)
>>55530778
>Destroys 99% of scientific and philosophical texts
>Golden age
>>55530778
No, it's just genetic.
Hundreds or years marrying cousin with cousin turned them of one of the greatest civilizations in the world into a bunch of dumb incestuous fanatics with very low IQ.
>>55537180
It's not true though
>>55537180
>This
People forget about the great Arab conquests when they discuss Islam. It is an ideology meant to conquer civilizations.
>>55536610
>lol
>those arent persians
>those are just persianized arabs
You're dumb if you really believe in that. In a world ruled by arabs is far more possible to exist persians arabized than arabs persianized
looks like a rip-off of the hagia sophia
>>55537075
>what is Federal Reserve Act of 1913
>George Washington didn't get tobbled
America did in 1913 It's also spelled "toppled"
>mb
>boy scouts turned quasi-terrorist organization like typical stormweenie groups im America
Umayyad=the people who brought upon their golden age
Al-Andalus= https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Al-Andalus
Lybia under Gaddafi = highest HDI in africa
Here's an actual historian.
For four or five centuries, Islam was the most brilliant civilization in the Old World. (...) At its higher level the golden age of Muslim civilization was both an immense scientific success and a exceptional revival of ancient philosophy. These was not its only triumphs; literature was another: but they eclipse the rest. First, science: it was there that the Saracens (...) made the most original contributions. These, in brief, were nothing less than trigonometry and algebra (with its significantly Arab name). (...) Equally distinguished were Islam's mathematical geographers, its atronomical observatories and instruments (...). The Muslims also deserve high marks for optics, for chemistry (...) and for pharmacy. More than half the remedies and healings aids used by the West came from Islam (...). Muslim medical skill was incontestable. (...) In the field of philosophy, what took place was rediscovery - a return, essentially of the peripatetic philosophy. The scope of this rediscovery, however, was not limited to copying and handling on, valuable as that undoubtely was. It also involved continuing, elucidating and creating.
Fernand Braudel, A History of Civilizations , Penguin, 1995, p. 73-81
WW2 was about pic related, not religion in the slightest.
>A gay socialist?
Typical retarded Mexican, you do know who this man is?
>>55537012
>I also don't see anything about them being eradicated as their culture still exists to this day.
That's like saying the American didn't exterminate the natives because you saw three of them in a wall-mart parking lot.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Iran#Religious_affiliations
>What tactic?
You make it so easy for people to hate you I swear. It helps in the long run but still.
>Can you list me some academic sources of these "eradicated religions and culture"
I talked about how turkey used to be Christian and the Zoroastrian. What do you want me to do, mail you a book?
>>55537170
Muhammad killed Gods? Those people all converted after becoming a super power. Muhammad united all his tribes.
>>55537012
Isn't it pretty common knowledge that nun-muslim citizens had to pay an extra tax to be allowed to live?
>>55537495
The natives died due to disease, they weren't subject to genocide.
>I talked about how turkey used to be Christian and the Zoroastrian.
Then they converted after witnessing a superior nation. They used to believe in ancient Babylonian religions before that. When you make claims you usually provide evidence. If you went you university you'd know.
Your rambling on with strawmans again. It just makes you look stupid.
>>55537556
It's the same tax, it's just called jizya for non-Muslims and Zakat for Muslims.
>>55537153
>Killing people who don't agree with you
>Civilized
>>55537012
Jizya was levied in the time of Muhammad on Jews in Khaybar, Christians in Najran, and Zoroastrians in Bahrain
Here, non-muslims had to pay "protection money" to not be killed.
Sounds pretty fucking evil to me mate.
>>55537683
But you understand that this forces people to convert to Islam right?
Effectively destroying the existence of their previous religions in that area.
>>55537700
>killing literal barbarians(criminals, rapists, murders, etc..)
They weren't even killed for the most part and ended up getting civilized. They were the only Arab population.
>>55530778
I don't remember European Peasants cutting peoples heads off due to socio-economic reasons.
Do any of you ? am I missing some period in history were surfs waged Jihad against rich Europeans and Arabian Kings ?
>>55537648
>Your rambling on with strawmans again. It just makes you look stupid.
These. Fucking. Tactics.
>Why the lies?
>You're rambling
>You're stupid
Islamic rationalism everyone.
I'm so close to converting thanks to you. Th-th-ank you senpai.
>>55537707
In all nations you had to pay taxes. This is just another word for it. Zakat was even more than Jizya. It's like saying how you have to pay income tax but corporations don't.
>pay "protection money" to not be killed
No this never existed. Don't lie.
>But you understand that this forces people to convert to Islam right?
How Zakat is higher than Jizya, by converting you end up paying more taxes, since your now religiously obligated to, not just legally thus more is expected of you.
>>55537700
The Spanish did a good job of killing those who didn't believe in what they believed, the Russians, Serbs, Nazis, etc did too...
>>55537958
You failed to actually provide a rational argument for your claims, let alone evidence. You claim theses people were being eradicated, yet there were no policies like this. They were indeed being killed during war time, and there were rebels which were taken care of. But your claim is that these people were being eradicated as if it was a policy when I proved other wise as they were granted a protection status.
>>55537972
>In all nations you had to pay taxes.
But non-muslims had to pay MORE, which is discriminatory, and will force lower class families into converting.
>No this never existed. Don't lie.
This existed, if you didn't pay Jizya you would be killed for practicing your faith.
>How Zakat is higher than Jizya, by converting you end up paying more taxes, since your now religiously obligated to, not just legally thus more is expected of you.
Poor people aren't obliged to pay Zakat, this is not true.
>>55530778
>muh Islamic golden age
posts a building that was built far after
>>55538142
>>55537972
Also if there are multiple able-bodied males in a non-muslim family, Jizya would exceed Zakat.
>>55538093
You didn't read that article on zoroastrian persecution did you?
>After the Muslim conquest of Persia, Zoroastrians were given dhimmi status and subjected to persecutions; discrimination and harassment began in the form of sparse violence.[3][13] Zoroastrians were made to pay an extra tax called Jizya, failing which they were either killed, enslaved or imprisoned. Those paying Jizya were subjected to insults and humiliation by the tax collectors.[14][15][16] Zoroastrians who were captured as slaves in wars were given their freedom if they converted to Islam.
>>55538092
Right. And they were all shitty right?
Everybody agrees that this sucks right? So, Islam sucks, right?
>>55530778
Im sure killer bees are misunderstood in much the same way.
>>55538142
No they didn't that's not how taxes work. Zakat was binding on property, and jewellery. Zakat should also be paid in the form of food as well. Jizya was not binding on the property. It was substantially lower. This was so people would stay in the Caliphate ant not rebel. Like then the Muslims conquered Jeruselum from the Byzantines, they introduced lower taxes on the population as opposed to the Byzantines higher taxes, thus winning over the loyalty of the city.
>Jizya you would be killed for practicing your faith
Lol no, any actual sources for this? Nobody was killed for not paying taxes. It's saying the IRS kills people.
>Poor people aren't obliged to pay Zakat, this is not true.
Poor people don't have to pay taxes at all regardless of their religion. They're the ones who receive the welfare bux from the taxes.
>>55530778
The one that was 700 years ago?
>>55538237
>discrimination and harassment
So pretty much what black people go through in America. Harassed by the local population. Not a government policy. And yes course if you didn't pay taxes assuming you are able to you would goto jail like in every country.
>>55538500
>failing which they were either KILLED, enslaved or imprisoned
>>55538570
>killed
That would be for the most serious tax evaders. i.e a billionaire hoarding wealth
>>55538500
>So pretty much what black people go through in America
If you prove that two things are equally shitty you're still saying they're shitty. What, do you think America's shittiness somehow absolve Islamic shittiness?
And I'd still rather live in America than an Islamic country, and so do you apparently.
Stop coming on 4chan. It's haram as fuck.
>>55538362
>Lol no, any actual sources for this? Nobody was killed for not paying taxes. It's saying the IRS kills people.
The direct punishment for not paying Jizya was enslavement, if you resist you are killed.
Additionally family members of the person not paying Jizya would also be arrested and sold into slavery, females often to work as sex slaves.
Islam in Iran, SUNY Press, ISBN 978-0-88706-070-0, pp 155,
Lewis, Bernard (1992). Race and Slavery in the Middle East: An Historical Enquiry. Oxford University Press. pp. 7, 108. ISBN 978-0195053265.
>>55538637
Citation required
>>55538362
On top of that Jizya wasn't low at all, there have been multiple instances of masses rebelling aganst heavy Jizya taxation.
Cowen, T., & Glazer, A. (2005). "Taxation and Pricing when Consumers Value Freedom." Social Choice and Welfare, 24(2), pages 211–220
>>55538637
>"You must provide sources. This is a serious academic debate"
>Doesn't provide sources
I'm flailing my arms wildly in front of my computer screen.
>>55530778
Nobody forgot about the "Islamic" "golden" age mehmet.
>>55538362
>Poor people don't have to pay taxes at all regardless of their religion. They're the ones who receive the welfare bux from the taxes.
EXCEPT IN ISLAMIC CULTURES WHERE YOU HAD TO PAY JIZYA IF YOU'RE POOR AND A NON-MUSLIM MATE.
>>55537513
And it became a super power through conquering did it not... the tribes were united through warfare...
>>55538935
Half warfare half allegiances apparently.
Like, you only needed to knock some big regional players and all the little tribes would come to you to share in the spoil of war.
>>55538765
It's in the wiki, or just goto google scholar and search up Islamic Calipahte Tax Laws
>>55538723
No I'm just putting into context these "persecutions" , the worst it would get is how the local population were racist towards the newly conquered population and looked upon them as if they were less civilized since they were so easily conquered. It's pretty much like saying Romans were bad because they persecuted the Germans. There was no eradication policy as you claimed.
You sound like a retard with little understanding of this.
>>55538748
Wow I actually read that book, what page did you get that from? I never recall reading that part.
>>55530778
Muslims haven't invented anything in about 700 years.
>>55539048
You read which book of the two I cited both with page numbers present?
You sound like you're full of shit mate, I'm done talking to a brick wall, enjoy your evening.
>>55538815
Please don't bullshit me.
>In some regions of Islamic rule, the Sultans faced rebellion and the non-Muslim masses refused to convert to Islam or pay jizya.[151] Militant opposition erupted to Islamic punishment for refusal to pay discriminatory jizya taxes, such as in India, Spain and Morocco.[152][153] In some cases, this led to its periodic abolishment such as the 1704 AD suspension of jizya in Deccan region of India by Aurangzeb.[154]
Cowen, T., & Glazer, A. (2005). "Taxation and Pricing when Consumers Value Freedom." Social Choice and Welfare, 24(2), pages 211–220
Chandra, S. (1969). "jizyah and the State in India during the 17th Century." Journal of the Economic and Social History of the Orient / Journal de l'histoire economique et sociale de l'Orient, pages 322–340.
Abun-Nasr, J. M. (Ed.). (1987). A History of the Maghrib in the Islamic Period. Cambridge University Press
Markovits, C. (Ed.). (2002). A History of Modern India: 1480–1950, Anthem Press; page 109-112
>>55538822
See, Abun-Nasr, J. M. (Ed.). (1987). A History of the Maghrib in the Islamic Period. Cambridge University Press
>>55530778
>Islamic Golden Age
What is never again.
>>55538860
If you were poor you were put on welfare. there is a wikipedia page on this subject
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jizya
>>55538935
The tribes were united through warfare and diplomacy. There was no need for war after uniting the major tribes, the rest soon followed.
>>55539212
It's happen when the rebellions become incontrolable, but obviously small rebellions were punished normally
>>55539146
I read the same book in university, by Bernard Lewis, and even wrote a paper on it. On pg 7, it doesn't talk about killing people or enslavement for people who can't pay taxes.
>>55539048
>There was no eradication policy as you claimed.
You still don't understand that I'm talking about cultural eradication.
What's the first thing the muslims did when they conquered Constatinople? They converted the Hagia Sophia to a mosque.
They always asserted cultural dominance.
Do you realize you basically told me, earlier in the thread, that Islam was pretty much national socialism, and now you're trying to tell me it's this multicultural bullshit? In the same fucking thread.
>55533443
>it's no different from Nazi Germany
>(you)
>>55539333
>but obviously small rebellions were punished normally
Sources?
>>55539212
>If you were poor you were put on welfare. there is a wikipedia page on this subject.
Literally on that page.
>Nelly Ciggaar writes that in the 9th century, the pagan law, in Egypt and West Asia required Christians to pay jizya in guineas, or thirteen dinars if really poor. Those who could not afford to pay were put in jail, until "God sent an angel to set him free" or "other Christians paid for his freedom"
>>55539339
National Socialism was multicultural as well. It looks like this "cultural eradication" is nothing more than rulers asserting their dominance. You also should look up the word "eradicate"
>>55539278
>but there was need for war prior.
How does it feel to worship a warlord? Are you a big fan of the house of saud as well?
>>55539278
>Jizya and kharaj taxes were a crushing economic burden for the non-Muslim peasants in a subsistence economy.[124][125][126] The hardship on rural people not only caused large scale conversions to Islam to escape the taxes on non-Muslims, but also triggered a mass flight of people from rural to urban areas.
So we clear now?
>>55539377
You know that is talking about "pagan law"
>>55530778
A long time ago muslims were learned and traded across the world and whites were snow niggers.
Someday the west will fall and east Asia will throw off the dehumanizing influences of confucianism, maoism, and ant like workolace culture and become the new center of human culture and empire.
But right now western whites treat human beings im the most ethical manner, build the most, write the most, and think the most. And muslims treat each other like shit and coast by on civilization left by colonialists.
>>55539532
Muslims don't worship Muhammad.
The medieval ecclesiastics, either through ignorance or bigotry, painted Muhammadanism in the darkest colours. They were in fact trained both to hate the man Muhammad and his religion. To them Muhammad was Anti-Christ. I have studied him — the wonderful man, and in my opinion far from being an Anti-Christ he must be called the Saviour of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much-needed peace and happiness.
George Bernard Shaw, as quoted in The Genuine Islam, Singapore, Vol. 1, No. 8, 1936
>>55539544
Try posting the whole thing
Jizya and kharaj taxes were a crushing economic burden for the non-Muslim peasants in a subsistence economy.[124][125][126] The hardship on rural people not only caused large scale conversions to Islam to escape the taxes on non-Muslims, but also triggered a mass flight of people from rural to urban areas.[124][127] Yet in some cases, such as the Byzantine region, these tax rates, states Lewis, reflected a lower burden than taxes before.[128]
>>55539628
>] Yet in some cases, such as the Byzantine region, these tax rates, states Lewis, reflected a lower burden than taxes before.
>Some Cases
> SOME cases
implying the vast minority of cases.
>>55531055
>designed and built by Byzantines living under ottoman rule
Fixed that for you.
>>55539360
Are you kidding?
>be me
>be a zoroastrian persian
>start a rebellion with my two dogs
>the muslim ruler decided to erradicate my taxes cause all rebellions are handle in the same way
You really believe that the things functions in this way
There was no muslim golden age. They were almost identical to mongols, Take a horde of depserate dindus, take over with horse archery tactics and overwhelming force to a weak nation. Take over everything, let the existing civilized population continue while you are now at the top via conquest.
History should really be a mandatory subject, it really opens your eyes to how things really work.
>>55539785
>Take over everything, let the existing civilized population continue while you are now at the top via conquest.
It's true, though after some time the conquerors become sharing the "intellectual culture" of the conquered.
The muslims get a lot of knowledge from greeks, romans and persians, but they also made their own work with that
>>55539628
>don't worship
...... Why do you worship the god he brought forth
>>55531574
Only in Canada.
>>55530778
just want to remind you, if islam was actually a religion of peace, islamic extremists would be extremely peaceful. just... sayan...
>>55530778
The muslim golden age consisted of burning every big library they could and keeping about 10% of the knowledge which was put together by mostly westerners. I would have said you we`re trolling but then I saw the US flag whcih probably means you just lack education.
>>55532128
Germany is lost
wrong! look at the ages of the golden era for the islamic caliphates and empires....their societies were based off of principles of sufism, not this abomination sects of shia and sunni.
one of my best friends is of the oldest sufi families in the middle east, shia and sunni is literally fed to the masses so they go out and murder each other in the name of allah, and, low and behold, the corporations are owned by these sunni and shia families
Think about the golden age of islam....sure, there was territory conquest and the like, but the islamic hordes were not raping and murdering catholics, christians, and (unfortunately) jews.
Imagine if shia and sunni united (which they wont because jews have infiltrated their banking systems and their oil markets dooming them to always be at each others throats)
definitely look into sufism /pol/. My sufi friend and his family absolutely hate shias and sunnis (Especially sunnis as they are saudi's who pay off sunni officials and pretty much have to become mafia-ized in order to preserve their culture from sunni extremism)
>>55532217
Logarithmic equations grow at a slower rate than linear equations. Are you just trying to sound smart? Did you mean to say exponential?
