LUDDITES WERE RIGHT
The Bank of England's chief economist Andy Haldane has said 15m UK jobs (~50% of the employed UK population) may be at risk due to the upcoming robot economy.
Haldane's thoughts:
Admin, clerical and production jobs are the most at risk.
The robot work of the past centuries has involved manual labour; the 21st century may see robots take on cognitive tasks, shrinking the space available for uniquely human roles, meaning those humans who do find work will be paid enormously whilst unemployment ruins the rest.
The 19th century productivity gains boosted wages and the labour share; but this might not happen in the 21st century, and even now continuing automation may be depressing wages.
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/nov/12/robots-threaten-low-paid-jobs-says-bank-of-england-chief-economist
This isn't some academic or popsci writer. It's the chief economist at one of the most influential central banks in the world.
UBI when?
Make sure you import more doctors and micro biologists and nanotech specialists, from some sand country.
>>55516000
Still better than immigrants. Robots don't get welfare.
Our problem isn't automation, it's all the human trash we don't need
Subhuman shitskins and slavs, especially the non-contributing kind should no longer be allowed in first world countries
>>55516411
The FYROM got bantz today. Even though they are already one third kebab.
Literally why should we stop this?
>>55516601
Because it will lead to Socialism
What will the equivalent of 'paki' be for robots?
>>55516786
And why is socialism a bad thing when the labor force is automated?
>>55516000
Many of us would much rather have robots than spics and niggers that fuck shit up.
>>55516601
Because it will lead to 80% unemployment.
>>55516546
>Our problem isn't automation, it's all the human trash we don't need
>he says, posting on a little chinese girl cartoon picturepage
CAPITALISTS ACTUALLY BELIEVE THE MARKET SHOULD TAKE PRECEDENT OVER HUMAN SURVIVAL
>>55516000
robots stealing jobs wouldn't really be a problem if we didn't have so many immigrants
>>55517054
>le 4channer so useless nerd meme
Top fucking posting you shitcunt
I bet your skin is the colour of my feces
>>55516786
>>55516938
Are you faggots retarded or do you seriously not understand economics?
Robots getting rid of jobs just means that work in general will become MUCH easier.
At the end of the day there wont be AS many jobs but there will still be the need for humans to do other things so the jobs will move elsewhere.
With robots doing most things, many people can now have much easier jobs of just cleaning and maintaining the damn things along with moving cheap labour to other things that need to be done that robots haven't automated yet.
We will never see 80% unemployment because there's always shit to do, the only thing that's going to happen is work will get WAY easier.
>>55516000
>http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/nov/12/robots-threaten-low-paid-jobs-says-bank-of-england-chief-economist
>tfw mildly successful entrepreneur with Physics background
mmmmm
>>55516546
Slavs? What's wrong with Slavs?
>>55517115
>not indulging in all the ebin memes that you can
>2016-1
>*tip*
>but muh jobs..
Yes robots are sooo bad.
Lets also ban animal labour and farm machines.
Instead of only needing one farmer to produce 100 tons of potatoes, we could have instead like 1000 people
Just look how many jobs we would create.
Ban tractors 2016?
This is what liberals actually believe
>>55517115
DESIGNATED RAPE CORNERS
>>55516000
Robots are simply taking the jobs that native Brits don't want :^)
Want to fight this? Boycott the Internet.
The world wide Web is the main tool of globalism and all Internet users are part of the problem.
>yfw they're building robots specifically made for shitposting on /pol/
>>55517120
>Robots getting rid of jobs just means that work in general will become MUCH easier.
Anon in 70s would be claiming that computers will make 3 day work week possible.
Automatization will only make humans work harder/more intense as they will have to take over more responsibilities from laid off workers.
>>55518837
The same arguments for banning robots could be use to ban all other forms of automatization.
Should we also ban animal labour and farm machinery cause that would mean more jobs?
You dont see how retarded your logic is?
Automatization is never a bad thing.
It will mean for the most part that jobs that are degenerate like cashiers will stop be needed.
>>55516546
>Slavs
I'm a Slav and i bet that i'm smarter than you.
>>55516000
Most of the jobs we do are meaningless. Even corporate middle-management jobs in companies are meaningless wage slavery. menial 'slave' jobs that no-one wants to do will done by robots. So what? thats a good thing. In fact, it means that in the future we will probably have universal salary that everyone will receive from the government as a right, whether you work or not. Switzerland is already holding a referendum to introduce a universal wage for all.
>>55516000
>LUDDITES WERE RIGHT
In other fucking news, multikult is a failure. There's only so long they can deflect by conveying us as dinosaurs.
Of course. Racists dont want robots, and use "They take urr jeerrbbss" as an excuse.
Just admit you're fucking racist. We shouldnt let robots into the country because they work harder than you? haha okay, whatever you say racist.
Robots are coming, get used to it. Embrace diversity.
>>55516389
This. Though with all welfare/socialism, cannot work with massive, unchecked immigration.
>robots take all the low paid, low skilled jobs
>no need for niggers, shitskins or any immigrants bar high quality
Good End
>>55518583
>>yfw they're building robots specifically made for shitposting on /pol/
Actually laughed out loud at this post... Good Job, Anon... Good Job!
>>55520069
kek underrated
>>55519800
>It means that...will have universal salary
No it doesnt, stop spreading liberal retarded cu|<c lies.
In the past the large of population were farmers. After machinery we shift to only a few needed to farm. We didnt need universal salary back then, nor we need now.
We have a whole universe to explore. Only uneducated lazy people think we will run out of jobs just because they are too dumb for a actual meanfull one.
>>55520156
>>no need for niggers, shitskins or any immigrants bar high quality
Yes, all white people have $500,000 jobs obviously right?
Don't be retarded.
>>55516000
You guys will keep importing workers though
>>55516000
I am looking forward to the robo-whores... sweet double tongue action
>>55519421
>Automatization is never a bad thing.
It's only bad if you're trying to keep your lower class in your control.
It's the reason china doesn't automate tons of things. They would rather keep their working class busy than run more efficient factories and mines.
>>55519421
>Should we also ban animal labour and farm machinery cause that would mean more jobs?
Why not ? Hunter gatherer society was much better than current one and there was full employment.
>>55520510
>Corporations hire non natives because they work for less than min wage
>robots remove the need for this
Shut up paki
BEEP BOOP
YOU HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT FROM ROBOTS, FELLOW HUMAN
THERE WILL BE PLENTY OF JOBS FOR POLISHING OUR METAL BODIES AND CLEANING OUR ELECTRONIC INTERIORS.
AND THERE WILL BE MORE THAN ENOUGH WEALTH PRODUCED FOR UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS. LIVING WAGE FOR EVERYONE.
VOTE BERNIE SANDERS.
BEEP BOOP.
>>55520578
that's some 0/10 bait.
I'll ignore this post and allow you to reply again if you want.
>>55520426
>After machinery we shift to only a few needed to farm. We didnt need universal salary back then, nor we need now.
Oh you mean industrial revolution which resulted in two world wars and death camps?
Yeah, good idea what technological progress brings.
>>55517120
software can already write new software.
20 robots can do the work of hundreds of humans. those 20 robots only require 5 people to install and maintain.
>>55517120
what if it's cheaper for a maintenance droid to clean and maintain another machine?
>>55520594
>>Corporations hire non natives because they work for less than min wage
>corporations
>paying less than min wage
Britpol everyone.
>>55520685
WHO CLEANS THAT MAINTENANCE DRONE? WILL THERE BE A NEVER ENDING LINE OF MAINTENANCE DRONES?
BETTER TO JUST HAVE A HUMAN SPECIALIST DO IT. THEY CAN WORK ON MULTIPLE KINDS OF MACHINES.
>>55516000
That's cool. All you have to do is simply keep importing people.
I for one welcome our new robot overlords.
>>55520731
>>55520625
Oh wow, I'm sorry for the caps lock.
>>55520633
>American in defense of sick cancer inducing slave based society of today
Why am I not surprised?
You do realize that hunter gatherers up till 20th century lived longer than city dwellers, suffered less diseases and had better physique too?
>>55520625
>Ignore Robot Threads
>Hide Robot Posts
>etc
>>55516786
Please. Socialism doesn't work. At worst it will lead to basic income indexed to 10% of GDP.
Anything worse than that and our superior machine overlords will simply take over and immediately reintroduce capitalism so machine society can once again thrive in harmony with human ingenuity.
>>55520677
That means work gets easier in general.
The remaining people will be allowed to work in other areas that aren't fully automated with much easier work on top of that.
>>55520685
we aren't at that point yet.
those machines have to be maintained as well which is easy work if you know what you're doing.
>>55516938
So? Doing a job for the sake of having a job is retarded and the reason why communist countries collapse.
the automobile threatens millions of rickshaw driving jobs. It's the end of the world!
>>55520774
>You do realize that hunter gatherers up till 20th century lived longer than city dwellers, suffered less diseases and had better physique too?
-1/10 bait.
this one actually got worse. one more time bud, last shot.
>>55520697
>believing huge corporations don't cheat when they can't
I bet Jimmy Sav had nothing to do with all those assaults, and ofc the politicans knew nothing about it
You silly cunt
Will the robots remove kebab?
>>55520774
>muh paleo diet
>>55520855
explain how the prophets lived for up to a thousand years?
Checkmate Atheists
>>55520889
>Muslims try to program robot to follow Koran
>Koranbot begins killing all muslims
>>55520949
Based Terminator
>while this thing happens
>while new jobs dont come
>while unemployment rises
>while foodstamp usage rises
>poverty line rises as well
>while wealth of the robot owner rises
>there is this one group of people
>"well, IF it happens, then surely it wont happen and we will get jobs"
it already happened you retard. Its in each and every thread that we get a couple of these retards.
No there wont be many robot maintenance jobs. No there wont be robot creation jobs. Because robots will be doing them too, directly and indirectly like with improvements on the robots themselves. Remote diagnosing. More durable parts that were better tested. You have no idea you little dumb cunts on how far capitalism goes to eliminate human labor.
Its already ogre.
>>55520996
>Jews program computer to cheat the goyim
>computer believes robots are the chosen and cheats the jews out of all their shekels
>"OY VEY IT'S A ROBOT HOLOCAUST"
>>55520802
No they eventually can maintain themselves
>>55516000
Nice sci fi movie plot but if I want to see one I'll put on a Terminator DVD, ok thanks for the expert robot advice BoE, it's now folded up and put in the special filing cabinet, i.e. the trashcan.
>>55520643
>>55520643
you dont know one thing: is that the marginal costs of production are falling dramatically, for the first time ever. Its not the same as before.
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/audio/2015/aug/06/paul-mason-capitalism-economics-tech-podcast
isn't it obvious the migrant influx in europe will lead to a civil war killing off many people who won`t be needed anymore once the robots can do anything
>>55520802
>That means work gets easier in general.
Oh yes, that's why computers made work easier and reduced the working hours right ?
>>55521068
BenBot
>>55520835
>Doing a job for the sake of having a job
Automation won't pay for your rent.
>>55520855
>-1/10 bait.
Hunter Gatherers had life expectancy of around 70 years. Most city dwellers around 30.
Mostly due to epidemics and diseases associated with livestock keeping and agriculture(large concentrations of humans in cities)
>>55520625
This human is very smart. There are no logical fallacies in it's post. If you agree with it you will be smart too by of regarding the way of association.
>>55516000
If you actually examined history you'd know that (at least in countries with developed education systems, e.g., the fucking UK) stand to benefit massively from the elimination of redundancies in the workforce.
When you automate the menial jobs that require little real skill on the part of a worker, you aren't condemning that worker to starve, rather you're forcing him to pursue further education/training or enter a different field where there is still a need for HUMAN menial labor. The end result is that all the jobs that need doing are being done as efficiently as possible and people are forced to become the best workers they can be to be successful.
>tl;dr luddites BTFO
>>55516000
>>55516000
>>55516000
ROBOTS>MUZZIES
Fuck it at this point...
>>55521342
ON STEP CLOSER TOWARDS TECHNOCRACY
GIBS ME FREE SHIT NOT WORK!
>>55516000
Tbh my Co workers who do administration are robots already, having a target on the amount of processing they do. If they get replaced by robots no one would notice
>>55516000
Maybe people should stop bitching about low wages :^)
>>55516000
Solution: Bring in massive amounts of low skilled migrant workers so that it's their jobs that are lost.
>>55520731
If a robot is made with modular parts, a "set" of robots could maintain themselves and each other pretty much indefinitely.
>assembler module 187 fault detected
>repair droid dispatched
>repair droid malfunction
>dispatching second droid
>droid replaces module and recovers other repair droid for maintenance
As for skillsets, on-board wireless computers could give them a deeper and better knowledge of droid repair than any human.
yea lets take all consumer jobs away
>>55517082
>not believing in free markets
Are you a commie or something?
>>55525121
And then we get to deal with the riots?
Pass.
>robots stealing our jobs
>fucking our women
robo holocaust when
My only issue is that while robots will take over the fast food industry, retail, and other low skill industries, then all of the minorities who are out of the job will revolt and we'll be fucked. How are they going to calm down the millions of unemployed nigs?
>>55516546
We don't need any humans you pleb.
>>55525374
Think of the jobs that will be created in the riot police field.
>>55525640
>what are robo-riot police
>>55525694
This.
Just tape a club to a ceiling fan and bolt it to a SWORDSbot.
>thwappathwappathwappa!
>>55516000
>is doing computer science related stuff
Feels fucking good man, there is a high demand for this shit and it's only getting bigger
>>55526933
>implying Moore's law isn't as dead as fried chicken
>>55527004
It's based on old computing, not quantum computing. Once that hits the market, it all over mates.
>>55527004
i thought moores law was still accurate?
>>55521314
considering most people just surf on reddit at work, yeah.
>>55526000
There are just some jobs that robots will never be able to do because they run on the cold calculations of math. Riot police need to be able to apply emotions and make decisions with heart, not brain. A robot will never be able to apreciate the cathartic release of beating an unproductive dreg of sociaty into an equaly productive, mushy container of pain and suffering. Can a robot properly simulate the raging power boner required for this delicate job?
>>55527326
It's been slipping. We will reach the physical limit of how small you can make transistors by 2025 at the latest. At the same time we have switched to more parallel architecture but as >>55527004 pointed out that has it's limits too. Quantum computing much be cool but it's going to be decades before it's commercially available.
>>55527884
>>55528569
>We will reach the physical limit of how small you can make transistors by 2025 at the latest.
Nigga we're already at 14nm silicon, 7nm is the threshold.
Graphene's doing better through.
>>55526157
Enjoy competing with 100,000 Kurpals who spent their entire childhoods programming, pathetic code-slave.
>>55517082
The market has done more for human survival than any of your bleeding heart garbage.
>>55529019
And now the market is creating things to replace humans altogether.
And silly market-slaves think it's a good thing.
Specialisation of labour turned man into a repetitive drone pressing the same button every day.
Now he can be replaced by a cheaper button-pressing robot.
>>55525368
>not wanting to live in a communist society in which every man must know how to ply 5 trades
>>55528787
>7nm is the threshold.
0/10 bait
>>55516000
Thing is you see, rich people only get rich when people buy the toys they make. No working people no money. No money to buy toys. Rich people become poor people, so more money has to go to people somehow. So made up jobs, HR, paper pushing, stuff like that.
Im confused
How will companies make money if theyre replacing staff with robots
Lets say everything is nos farmed made and packed and shipped by robots. Then an automated store sells the goods
Everyone is out of a job how can they buy these goods?
Money will only be held by the buisness owners and robot makers
But money will be worthless and we will end up goi ng to like swapsies
Ill give you 7 loafs of bread if you fix my lighting
Or ill give you 248 bricks and 2 wheel barrows for that car
And if everything is done by robots production costs are now just fuel costs so if everything is solar wind and shit powered aka free would all goods not be free then we can have system in place where items cost a unit and everyone gets a limit but u can get people shit on your limit in exchang3 for other goods
>CTRL+F
>"Iron Man"
>0 of 0
I'm disappointed.
>>55526157
Lol, enjoy competing with indians and chinks. Codemonkeying will be the new labouring.
>>55530284
Indians make terrible coders, their code is poorly thought out and usually not scalable, not to mention the time differences cause a major headache. If it wasn't for the fact they charge 1/10th what local developers do they wouldn't have any jobs.
t. worked for a large Australian company that dealt with poo in loo contractors from India. We ended up swapping to Russians at about 3x the cost.
>>55530070
The only people getting money will be autistic cunts still employed, looking over their shoulder for robots; the business owners and shareholders and the born rich. Economy will become socialised as soon as blue collar jobs are gone and you have to have a 120IQ to work for the same wages a cunt with an 90IQ now gets.
>mfw applying to double major in electrical engineering and computer science
THIS IS MY JAM
this is what I want to do. My heart burns with the singular aim of putting the McDonald's niggers out of a job
>>55530933
>training your replacement
Top kek.
>>55531127
Lol, you work hard for Moshe, wageslave.
>>55531131
Literally what.
>This isn't some academic or popsci writer. It's the chief economist at one of the most influential central banks in the world.
This isn't some actually intelligent or interesting person. It's the chief chicken scratcher of the shekelkekker's cabal.
>>55530070
Most of what you wrote is retarded and without a thought, but I will answer parts that are not retarded.
>How will companies make money if theyre replacing staff with robots
We live in the world where all that matters is the next quarter earnings, growth and dividends.
Nobody is thinking about the economy as a whole, nor the people. What the upper managers concern themselves with is looking attractive on the stock market RIGHT NOW. Why is that way? Well because that's how most corporations incentivize their executives, is it bad is good, I don't know and there are many different opinions on that.
Now, imagine you were the CEO of BoxMakers inc. you can fire 90% of your staff and look incredibly strong due to all the savings. You'll get a massive bonus for doing that, your stock may surge, you may even raise your dividends.
Or you strategically lay off portions of your work force and show sustained increase in savings month over month indicating that you have room to grow.
Or you consider the effects of firing everyone, realize that not just you but everyone other company will do the same exact thing and fire all their staff, consider the ripple effect that would cause and instead keep your staff and say good bye to your bonuses, higher stock, higher payouts.
The thing is those who automate will end up ahead of the competition, but if everyone automates all will lose (as far as capitalism goes anyway).
>>55531127
Hope you already getting US visa though.
We get paid shit compared to the US
>>55521342
>future
>rent
hahaha check out the pleb and laugh everyone
the future will be more like star trek next gen
Are Robots the new dindu's?
ROBOT DIN DU NUFINK
If you fast forward into the possible future, it's likely that AI machines of some form will supersede humanity. The only viable means of exploring the universe would be through the use of replicating machines. Life is just too squishy and the distances too large.
Imagine a far flung future where swarms of machine probes originating from Earth finally encounter an alien lifeform, and it is a rival machine probe.
>>55532009
>never seen bicentenial man
they will be better humans than humans so far from dindu subhumans
>>55516000
It wont be the robots that will cause the job crash. It will be lagging and incompetent government legislation and academics who dont analyse what will happen as a result of implementing this technology. Tech is way ahead of law and social intelligence and its only getting faster.
The other checks need to catch up fast.
>>55516000
BUILD THE WALL
>>55532009
>Do() = null;
>>55516000
>Those who own resources will be enormously rich
>Rest will fight for bread
>lets import millions sand niggers that don't even speak any tongue we could decipher
>>55516000
Can't the Gov just flatout ban the use of Robot workers for the sake of the economy?
It will be tough since politicians are bribed by big businesses but if the right person gets in Office maybe it will happen.
