http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Health/story?id=7897525
>The new tobacco law gives the Food and Drug Administration authority to regulate tobacco in the same way the government regulates breakfast cereals and pharmaceuticals.
>The law means the government will have the power to decide how cigarettes are advertised and monitor how they're promoted to young people. It means cigarette makers will be required to include new, larger warning graphics with more health information on their products and will be prohibited from using words like "light" and "low tar" in their marketing.
>While the law does not have the power to ban cigarettes and nicotine outright, it does allow the FDA to reduce nicotine levels and harmful chemicals in tobacco products.
Fucking hate the nigger. Not opposed to this though.
fucking now hes ruining smokes, surprised he wasn't assassinated on inauguration
>>55512771
It's to bad really
It's time the federal government was knocked down a notch.
As long as they forget about my Lucky Strikes and don't fuck with my Illusione 888s and La Bohemes, I'm fine.
>>55512604
Lol. Dude weed lmao
>>55512604
>it does allow the FDA to reduce nicotine levels and harmful chemicals in tobacco products
Or raise them.
>>55512604
Smoking advertisements have been heavily regulated for almost 50 years and much marketing has been outright banned. Tobacco companies can't advertise on television, sponsor music festivals, etc.
Is this news?
>>55512604
Damn it, so its all tobacco not just cigarettes, plz dont fuck with pipe tobacco and loose tobacco.
>>55512604
And you know that if a Dem gets in again, they'll promote weed as healthy and smokes as unhealthy.
Where in the fuck is the world going. I know smokes are unhealthy, but as a responsible adult, why can't I make the decision whether or not to smoke them?
which is fine, would be nice to see the e-cig market bloom in a meaningful way, it's still way too much of a player's market.
I smoke a pipe. Soon I plan on growing and curing my own tobacco. Good stuff.
>>55512604
Race war when?
>>55512604
I knew smoking was bad when I started. Larger warning labels wouldn't have stopped me.
>>55512604
Welcome to Canada
also,
>>While the law does not have the power to ban cigarettes and nicotine outright, it does allow the FDA to reduce nicotine levels and harmful chemicals in tobacco products.
On paper, that sounds good. Not sure how it will work in practice. Isn't it those harmful chemicals that cause cancer for smokers and not the tobacco itself?
>>55513002
I've only tried an ecig a few times but was left pretty unsatisfied. Are the vapes any better or should I just stick to unfiltereds and cigars for my fix?
>>55512604
They are going to create an illicit market for tobacco, they are retarded
>>55512604
>June 22, 2009
>>55512604
>government regulates breakfast cereals
is this real?
Welcome to 6 years ago dumb shit.
>>55512604
Good, smoking is degenerate, they should heavily regulate and tax the shit out of alcohol too.
>>55513050
Reducing nicotine levels will make addicts smoke more, not less.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHIT2or-F9o
This is ridiculous. They keep bashing the smokes while sugar-heavy products are widely glorified by the media. Talk about hypocrisy.
>>55513111
Nice trips, here's an article from TODAY:
http://thehill.com/regulation/healthcare/259920-hud-proposes-smoking-ban
>Smoking would be prohibited inside public housing units under new rules from the Obama administration.
>The Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD), along with the surgeon general, proposed new rules Thursday that would ban lit cigarettes, cigars and pipes from government-assisted housing projects for low-income families.
>The smoking ban would protect hundreds of thousands of public housing residents from the harmful effects of secondhand smoke, HUD noted.
>State and local public housing agencies would have 18 months to implement smoke-free policies not only inside the housing units but also in administrative offices and other indoor and outdoor common areas, according to HUD.
>The new smoke-free rules would apply to more than 940,000 that currently do not follow those recommendations.
>“Everyone — no matter where they live — deserves a chance to grow up in a healthy, smoke-free home,” added Surgeon General Vivek H. Murthy. "There is no safe level of secondhand smoke. So, when 58 million Americans — including 15 million children — are exposed to secondhand smoke, we have an obligation to act.”
Does /pol/ support keeping residents who live in the Projects from having to deal with second-hand smoke?
>>55513064
Gotta find a flavor you like. Then just work on consistently halving the cigarette intake per day.
>>55512604
If you are going to have tax funded health care, cigarettes should be banned.
>>55512604
Fucking nigger, if he ruins the lucky strike pack design I'm going to lose it.
>tfw a smoker
>tfw I realize that a lot of people don't like it
>tfw Leave the area if I'm around people I know don't like smoke or if kids are around
>mfw people come to talk to me outside and then bitch that I'm smoking
I'm all for keeping smoke away from people who don't like it, but if you come to talk to me and then bitch that I'm smoking you are a complete loser.
>>55512604
Eh, it's just regulations on marketing that every other country in the world already has.
I'd really love to see this be an issue on the next Republican debate.
Rubio: "Cancer warnings on cigarettes actually cause MORE people to smoke."
lawl
The blind hatred of Obama is really ridiculous.
>>55512604
Why cant obama just leave shit alone
Its like he trying to put his hands on everything the last 12 months of being president
>>55512968
Expect to see the tax exemption for pipe tobacco to dissapear.
>>55513635
>Its like he trying to put his hands on everything the last 12 months of being president
see
>>55513067
>>55513035
November 2016
Day of the rope
>limits nicotine
why? its addictive as fuck buy besides that it has only positive effects
E-cig vaper here
I don't feel sorry for those who still suck the paper cock.
>>55513138
They do, faggot.
>>55513708
>November
>Day
>>55512999
>why can't I make the decision whether or not to smoke them?
BREAKING NEWS: you can.
Do you people actually read, or do you just see the word "Obama" and just ad-lib the rest to the best of your imagination?
>>55513535
Cigarette taxes more than pay for the healthcare costs.
The government makes 5-10 dollars on every pack.
>>55513560
It's done.
>>55513745
Ecigs fucking suck. They're better than gum, but they're no substitute for a real ciggy, not even those 100w+ mod boxes with fancy tanks.
I only use one because I travel by air constantly.
>>55513080
Yeah. Food and pharmaceutical drugs are all regulated by the government and they do a relatively subpar job. Wanna know what's hilarious? They refuse to regulate supplements.
>>55513860
Yeah, there. We can still buy lucky strike packs that look just like they did in WW2.
Cigarette packages in America are awesome. Now they're gonna end up looking fuck ugly like the kind we have up here.
Big pictures of rotting teeth or cancerous lungs don't do anything by the way. It doesn't stop people from smoking.
>>55513626
you really need to read the sticky.
>>55513663
>tfw you agree with the liberal agenda on pretty much everything but tobacco regulation
alcohol is largely unregulated, there's no reason for tobacco to be.
I believe the anti-tobacco campaign is largely motivated by the fact that big tobacco blatantly lied about its health impacts for years, and it's really just a punishment for them. (but the taxes, and excessive regulation hurts poor people economically, and reduces our freedom - mandated no smoking in businesses should not be a thing. It should be left to the business owners.
That's not what this country should be about.
How to fix?
But Obongo smokes.
>>55513966
We could too, they changed it last week.
It makes my tin foil antennae twitch a little when I see how hard they're trying to get tobacco out of the picture. It makes you wonder if there's not something in tobacco that protects us from something else we're exposed to in our country.
I don't smoke cigs anymore, I think they're pointless.
But I would sure love to live without the government butting in every god damn aspect of my life. This country is a damn nanny state.
Want a large soda? Nope sorry because of some fatass's lack of control you can't.
>>55514181
it is a delirant in high doses. make of that what you will
Fucking Progressives.
Dude Weed, but cigarettes are bad because muh Big Tobacco boogeyman.
Good thing I quit smoking a year and half ago.
>>55513417
I support anything that inconveniences someone in government housing. No matter how mild. Not sure how they'll enforce this though.
>slowly killing myself with dip
I am aware of the risks, I don't need government to hold my hand and tell me I'm doing something bad.
>>55512604
Enjoy your 20 dollars cigarette packets like the rest of us.
>>55512604
would be better if they just outlaw adulterating the product, you have to serve cured tobacco with no additives, 95% of smokers lose their shit and eventually quit when they stop getting the shakes
>>55512604
and what exactly is people's problem with this? smoking should be banned, it's addictive as fuck and 90% of smokers are addicted.
>>55514778
government has no right to tell you what you can put into your body.
So there's gonna be an even bigger warning on my tins?
>>55514778
Do you also support banning sugar?
>>55514179
Shit, I better go to the store and check
>>55514894
I fucking hope not, I am sick of the government telling me how to kill myself.
>>55514778
True freedom includes the ability to harm yourself if you wish, it may be terrible, but i would rather be free to harm my health than ask for permission. This is applicable to anything, but especially things like dip were the only victim is the user.
>>55514444
>Fucking Progressives
Hey, not all of us are like that.
I personally think this country's tobacco policies are REGRESSIVE, not progressive. For me, progressivism is about freedom and equality. America's anti-tobacco campaign is JUST THE OPPOSITE. The tobacco tax disproportionitely impacts the poor, and legislation that makes it impossible for smoking sections to exist blatantly tramples over the freedoms of the business owner.
Anti tobacco policy is by no means progressive.
>>55512604
>it does allow the FDA to reduce nicotine levels
yeah totally to reduce smoking and not that they make more money bc people need to smoke then more for the same nicotine level.
>>55514869
true, but since almost all off /pol/ wants the state to be healthy, the people should be healthy too, so they should really refrain from smoking, because unlike other drugs 1 cig is already damaging to you.
>>55515138
yes
>>55515224
true, but when it starts affecting a big part of the population the government should take action. I'm not even a democrat or socialist.
Thank goodness, smokers are degenerates. They're rude and selfish shits who want to spread their cancer to everyone else. Even when they're not smoking they just fucking stink.
Can't wait until these weak-minded shits are deprived of it entirely, or have to pay $100 a carton.
>>55515489
In NY prices are already pretty much there.
also. holy fuck you're stupid
>what are personal life choices
>what is doing stuff you enjoy
not to mention that nicotine has many cognitive benefits.
>>55515660
Your personal life choices spread stink and cancer to everyone around you. You don't just do it in your home, either, you go stand right outside the doors of hospitals or grocery stores and puff away not even giving a fuck.
They're not your personal choices, they're my choice. And I choose that you can't smoke. Soon, you won't be able to.
>cognitive benefits
lmao
>The study found people who took 18 sleeping pills or fewer per year had more than 3.5 times higher a risk for death than those who didn't take any sleeping pills. What's more, people taking more than 132 sleeping pills per year were at five times higher risk for death and 35 percent higher risk for cancer.
>"We are not certain. But it looks like sleeping pills could be as risky as smoking cigarettes," study author Dr. Daniel F. Kripke, professor of psychiatry at the University of California, San Diego, told WebMD.
>>55515793
The same argument could be applied to alcohol. And it was. You prohibitionist scum.
The government doesn't need to ban anything. The people just need to consume products in moderation, something that Americans aren't very good at.
>>55512604
>, it does allow the FDA to reduce nicotine levels and harmful chemicals in tobacco products
ah fuckin great there, so now people will need to smoke more to get as much nicotine as they are used to, thus making people buy MORE.
A Fucking Plus Ameritards.
>>55512604
Cant the tobacco industry use TPP law and sue America for damaging their business?
>>55512604
He did something right. Smoking is degenerate.
>mfw there are sub-humans ITT who smoke
>>55515401
>when it starts affecting a big part of the population the government should take action.
So you are willing to loose freedom because a large amount of people are freely taking a risk? No one is forcing you to smoke, if you do, you do so at your own risk.
>>55513362
>implying Michelle hasn't been trying his hardest to get soda banned for the past 7 years
>>55512604
This seems pretty reasonable actually
Millions of people die every year from cigarette related illnesses.
Tens of millions suffer through illnesses both curable and incurable every year, some until the day they die.
Cigarettes have no practical use whatsoever and are a massive drain on our healthcare system.
>>55514636
i worked in a tobacco shop while in college. besides tobacco products, it sold crap like statues and figurines. like 9/11 firemen, kittens, and shit.
about 11 years ago, nick carter and another guy walked into the shop. he tried to jew me down in an ugly angel statue. then he asked for copenhagen. he got really pissed when i asked for id (i had no idea who he was). after he left, my co-worker told me who he was.
nick carter: so white trash, he chews.
Good, anything to get people to quit smoking. It's such a ridiculous habit. Seeing people outside, shivering in the cold wind smoking is pathetic.
>>55512604
At least its not germany
>>55512968
Those are the fedoras of smoking
>>55516659
same could be said about alcohol.
would you feel the same way if alcohol eventually gets banned?
Christ why do we have to have FEDERAL LAWS managing stupid people? For fucks sake where is the freedom and liberty holy hell. This is more of the endless proof that liberals think you are dumb and cannot manage your own life, that is why they classify you, that is why they regulate you. They think you are too dumb to be responsible for yourself and that is a fucking insult.
>>55512708
>Not opposed to this though.
I fucking hate you
>this thread: ban (only) the things I don't like!
bootlickers
anti-smoking crowd gave birth to the sjw movement
>>55516659
We have a surplus of humans on this planet, the vast majority of which are very unhappy. Stop trying to ruin what's l left of their shitty lives.
>>55512604
I honestly can't see the problem with this
>>55514636
I swear to God, if that nigger fucks with my dip, I'll fucking kill someone.
>>55516693
How about you stop trying to manage other people's lives? Think you can do that, nancy boy?
>>55516756
>if alcohol eventually gets banned
it is already banned in many counties
>>55516901
Well, it doesn't effect you, so your opinion is irrelevant.
>>55516756
>same could be said about alcohol.
First of all, before I entertain that conversation with you I'm going to have to respectfully ask you to source that.
I don't believe alcohol costs the healthcare industry or government anywhere even remotely close to cigarettes.
>>55516659
It's not the government's job to control what people do with their lives. If someone wants to smoke then they should smoke.
That's one of the main reason socialized medicine doesnt work. It gives to much power to the goverment.
Giving anything to the FDA basically kills it.
They are just trying to extract more money from the industry. By creating a complex and incomprehensible web of regulations, they ensure that companies will find themselves in violation.
Massive fines are imposed. Companies cannot fight them.
It's a tax without passing laws.
I'm not a fan of tobacco, but hate to see industries fall into that trap.
Fucking Christ.
Even if they require companies to rename the product
>Cancer Sticks
>Life Shortners
People would still buy them.
Hell I'd buy them if they were required too put skeletons on the box.
Just legalize weed already.
>>55516897
We don't have a surplus of money and our standard of living in almost every regard is in freefall.
I know you're just being edgy, but I am not. Cigarettes need to stop being, 'cool'.
Aw shit, is this one of those "..and I didn't speak up because I don't smoke" moments? Fuck it though, I still ain't gonna speak up. I don't smoke.
>>55517124
>It's our responsibility to manage other people's lives for them.
>Life expectancy is more important than free will
Ugh, you people sure are sending our country in the wrong direction.
America: land of the the well managed, and the home of the fearful.
>>55515278
>progressivism is about freedom and equality
>implying the way pogressives define both that they aren't mutually exclusive
>>55515793
Fucking statist, you disgust me. You really should thank a smoker next time you see one. You don't know how much they contribute to society in the way of taxes.
>>55516819
>>this thread: ban (only) the things I don't like!
>bootlickers
So much this!
And many of these same assholes will argue for "freedom" when its something they like.
People/Voters are supposed to parent the government and set limits and boundaries on them, not the other way around.
>>55515278
>Hey, not all of us are like that.
No, you really are. The "extremists" just take the ideology to it's natural conclusion.
Progressivism is just "if it's different it's good", it engineers chaos in a world of order.
>>55514894
Sure you ain't gay? Gotta have that oral hand fixation, right?
>>55517314
>>It's our responsibility to manage other people's lives for them
Absolutely when they are costing our tax funded healthcare system over 10% of the total expenditures.
Without any question whatsoever.
>Life expectancy is more important than free will
See above.
pic unrelated.
>>55517597
Buddy if you're using your hand for dipping you're doing something wrong.
>>55517057
see below
>>55517686
Din do smoke?
>>55517057
Then they shouldn't pay for your health problems caused by it
>>55512604
Together with Maxico you will sink the whole American continent in the near future.
- Let's discourage people to supress their hunger.
>>55516955
The trend is toward legalization though, not vice-versa.
Dry counties and cities in the south are having their bottom line hit hard with the prohibition of alcohol.
>>55517688
Nice dubs. Sorry, finger oral fixation
>>55517771
Then they shouldn't insist on paying for people's health.
This was the biggest problem with state healthcare. Sooner or later the money runs dry and they begin to regulate every facet of your life.
You don't smoke, great. But sooner or later they will stick their dick into something you do like to do.
>>55517342
Yeah, I get it. There are A LOT of bad apple progressives. Please try to understand that reasonable ones do exist though.
It's a huge issue with the movement, yeah, but it can be fixed.
>>55517518
You're so wrong. Let me explain why.
By most /I'd/ be considered an extremist politically. It's because I'm so passionate that my stance is what it is. Not because I'm a "moderate with left leanings" or some shit.
But because I believe in fighting for what's right.
pic related is my score on one of those political graph tests.
>>55517686
I'm assuming you support a prohibition on alcohol too?
>June 8, 2004 -- Former smokers can expect to live as long and healthfully as nonsmokers if they manage to quit for at least 15 years before they turn age 50, suggests new research.
>"Smoking is harmful at any age, but if you stop smoking before age 35 you may still do pretty well in terms of living longer and having a better quality of life as you reach middle age," says researcher Truls Ostbye, MD, PhD, of Duke University School of Medicine. "By quitting for at least 15 years prior to age 50, you may be able to regain your health as well as people who never smoked."
>After analyzing data on some 21,000 Americans 50 and older, he and Duke colleague Donald Taylor, PhD, estimate that people who quit for at least 15 years before reaching middle age are likely to regain the two years usually lost to smoking -- living as long and as well as those who never smoked.
>>55517877
>bad apple progressives
I wasn't referring to specific people, I was referring to it be definition or necessity
Defining things by freedom of outcome and equality of outcome necessarily renders both meaningless and the ideology poisonous to any society it touches
You're just under the delusion that it holds the same values as classical liberalism
>>55517771
Learn to read.
>>55517686
No is not, Freedom is what made America great and saying something as insane as that is as unamerican as you can get. If you hate Freedom so much why don't you go to fucking Europe you communist.
Nothing is more degenerate than being a statist, ok maybe a nigger lover but they're pretty close.
>smoking in 2015
ITT -- pure degeneracy
>>55518092
To be fair, I said "a lot".
I consider the majority to be bad apples.
I'd argue that they don't truly care about freedom, or equality, it's just a facade to push another entirely different agenda.
It's a huge issue, but completely fixable.
>>55517686
>Absolutely when they are costing our tax funded healthcare system over 10% of the total expenditures.
This is a forced and twisted codependency.
Its the alcoholic enabler argument.
You drank your life into a train wreck.
Because I'm a good person I am forced to help you.
Therefore I can run your life because I helped you.
Come with me to church.
>>55512708
That's the problem though. I don't really care about this specific example either. I do, however, care about the precedent it sets.
One day, these types of actions will be used against you or some activity you enjoy (like shitposting on 4chan) - but it'll be in your best interest so don't worry.
>>55518299
This guy really gets it.
>>55513014
You're a pretentious guy
>This is a list of Twelve Steps alternate wordings of the Twelve Steps set of guiding principles for recovery from addictive, compulsive, or other behavioral problems that was originally developed by Alcoholics Anonymous.[1] The twelve-step method has been adapted widely by fellowships of people recovering from various addictions, compulsive behaviors, and mental health problems. Albert Lachance has even adapted it to dealing with "consumer addictions" such as shopping therapy.[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Twelve_Step_alternate_wordings
>>55518279
I've disregarded the notion of individuals and defined it apart from them and you feel the need to continue talking about how much of a special snowflake you are
That's the problem here, you want to be a special snowflake
cigarettes are garbage for idiots. smokers should be forced to smoke an entire pack at once and then get beheaded.
What the fuck happened to /pol/?
When did it became a haven for statist fucks?
>>55518569
And I was explaining that you were wrong, that a large part of the progressive movement isn't progressive, it's another movement entirely that pretends to be progressive to get support.
You're the one who wants a special snowflake.
"I've disregarded it, therefore I'm right. Lol special snowflake! Look at how right I am everyone!"
>>55519015
You don't seem to understand Ms snowflake
I do not care what the supposed retards do or say, or what you do or say. I've articulated what progressivism is a few posts up regardless of its participants and you're welcome to refute or redefine it
You can't go through life dictating what is not and never what is.
>>55512604
>fucking now hes ruining smokes, surprised he wasn't assassinated on inauguration
>now
the first day he took office he signed a bill into law that raised the price of cigarrillos from 6.99 a carton to 13.99. this is what the poorest of the poor smoke. thanks obama
If people want to quit they will take the effort to try and quit. The government will never strong arm people into quitting. Now people are going to smoke more, pay more and pad the pockets of the tobacco companies.
All this does is contribute to the bloat of government and the FDA is corrupt as fuck (turning a blind eye to Nestle.) Hell, the tobacco companies will probably pay them off with the added revenue they will get.
>>55519345
>Ms
I'm a guy.
>I've articulated what progressivism is
And I've articulated that you're wrong.
I've argued you're referring to the secondary agenda of politicians that's pretending to be progressive to get public support.
You've just been too dense to articulate an argument against that other than "it can't be right because I because of what I said earlier"
Even though I was directly addressing the issues with your train of though.
Fuck off, retard.
>>55512604
psychopats hate tobacco.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-tobacco_movement_in_Nazi_Germany
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZA8Ha4TwbA
>>55516606
I catch brainwashed monkey here!
>>55516791
>"muh right to breathe in harmful chemicals"
>>55516819
And proud. I love bans
>>55513064
They've gotten much better. Decent sub-ohm setups start at around $60 bucks now. If you were using those Blu ecigs or the little vape pens, I can see why they didn't work for you.
Cigarettes have shitty consumer protections, I am suspicious that these will fix that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ufh8fctr3o
The space Jews will have a field day with this.
How the fuck are cigarettes even advertised? Magazines? Kids don't read magazines.
>>55519754
>I'm a guy
Easy to mistake you
>I've articulated you're wrong
No, I spelled out what it is and you just deflected and said no, other people are unreasonable
You still haven't said what your special snowflake ideology is. Of it isn't what the rest of you faggot kind says, then what is it?
>directly addressing your issues
Please go through any of your responses to me and pick out a direct refutation of my definition of progressivism
I'll restate it: freedom (measured by outcome) and equality (measured by outcome)
If it is not "by outcome" than it is classical liberalism and not progressivism
>>55519945
>>"muh right to breathe in harmful chemicals"
Just like the right to shitpost.
Move to Australia already.
trying to ban drugs with laws is anti-freedom and pro-communism
CANCER MERCHANT
CANCER MERCHANT
>>55512604
What the government needs to do is develop a GMO virus/bacteria/fungus that is air born and kills tobacco plants. Wipe it out world wide.
>Legalize weed
>Add more regulations to cigarettes
It's a conspiracy. They're taking these steps as part of their goal to make marijuana mainstream.
>>55512604
>2009
Ausfag here, looks like you'll be getting the jolly pictures we've had here for a few years.
Oh, and they shut down any company that tries to make devices such as throwaway stickers or an external carton to cover up the pictures quickly (meaning you have to buy a metal cigarette book or something to store your smokes).
Personally I'm all for it. Not sure how it works on your end with healthcare, but I don't see why my tax money should go to pay for the medical bills of people who had a habit they chose not to stop. I feel the same way about obesity too though.
On a side note, it does make for amusing conversations at the tobacconist.
> Uh, can I not get the eyeball? Have you got the lung tumor?
> Sorry, I got eyeballs, dying baby, gangrene foot or brain dissection
> Shit, give me the brain dissection then
we Australia now
Good, jesus
Tobaco is a very good example of citizens not able to control themselves around drugs even when it's legal
>>55520221
oi nah cunt, we love our durries, seppos and poms can fuck off
>>55520344
lol. marihuana make autistic
tobaco make cognitiv abilities higher and make crytical thinking higher.
>>55520508
Also anyone whos is apposed to this is a smoker lol
>>55520570
>>55519945
>muh right to dictate other people's lives.
>>55520212
Classical liberalism is extremely idiotic economically. I'm most certainly not a classical liberal.
>Reduce nicotine
>Have to smoke more cigs to get same amount
LOL
Do they have this kind of regulations for pot in states were it is legal?
>>55512604
You know anti-smoking ads increase smoker's cravings? Researchers put some smokers into a MRI machine while they showed anti-smoking images such as warning labels on packs. While the subjects overwhelmingly said that the images made them want to quit, the machine actually showed an increase craving for cigarettes.
Read about it in this book about neuromarketting "Buyology." I can't get an online excerpt but this talks about it.
>>55520669
http://adage.com/article/news/anti-smoking-warnings-make-smoke-claims-study/131905/
oh hey look the president is actually doing something that makes logical sense
>smoking causes cancer and lung problems
>legal
>alcolhol causes brain damage
>legal
>smoking Marijuana causes cancer and lung problems
>illegal
do you see the problem?
>>55512604
Obama is the embodiment of almost everything i despise in politics....
But as a 1-pack-per-day-smoker, i agree with everyone who makes laws against tobacco
>>55512604
Hey alright! King Nigga does something good for a change!
>>55520753
>smoking Marijuana causes cancer
[citation needed]
>lung problems
http://www.medicaldaily.com/smoking-weed-doesnt-harm-lungs-if-its-joint-day-even-after-20-years-318432
you were saying?
>>55513014
I cringed
>>55520602
>still won't define his position
Fuck off back to reddit newfag, nobody is here to up vote your bile
>>55518299
Your logic is fucked.
Medicaid pays out 22 billion dollars a year on ciggarette related illnesses alone. If you can't find logic in legislation aimed at preventing new smokers from starting such as more visable warnings and less propaganda meant to entice new young smokers than frankly you are irrelevant to the conversation.
No one is banning cigarettes here. There is no loss of
>muh freedoms
Common sense preventative measures are being take and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
However, indeed, my PERSONAL opinion is that they are banned if we are going to continue to allow people who are using tax funded medical services to drive up costs into the tens of billions and make people who actually care for there health and work towards being healthy suffer a less robust medical plan and pay for disgusting smokers and otherwise fat or lazy or otherwise unhealthy slobs.
>>55520403
>Can I get a pack of Blindness and 2 Unborn Babies, please?
>>55521125
You really want me to try to explain the entirety of my political beliefs just for you? The fuck is your issue? If I wanted to write essays I'd go back to school.
Also, I've almost certainly been here longer than you, and don't use reddit.
If it gives you any insight on my political beliefs though, I'm a member of the Green Party.
>>55521504
You legitimately hear that from people buying smokes down here
>>55521566
here, sometimes, people say it as a joke too
>>55516678
>nick carter
Is there a reason you should have known who this person is?
Hu3land tobacco warnings
>>55512604
smoking cocks is worse for your health ask all those dead homos, don't see him taxing fags.
what a pretentious cunt.
>>55520946
Inhaling toxic carbon molecules is dangerous. It has nothing to do with weed
Must he ruin everything?
>>55514049
>you agree with the liberal agenda on pretty much everything
why are you such a fuckboy?
>>55521556
>all political beliefs
>as if every political philosophy can't be defined in a sentence or two
>still no shred of a definition
>green party
top kek
>I've almost certainly been here longer than you
You're clearly new though
>I don't use reddit
You sound like it, perhaps you should check it out, they don't require oppressive definitions and "specifics"
>>55521410
Your logic is a total piece of shit.
Just because the government can't say no to idiots does not give them the right to run every persons life.
Example:
Your parents were dumb enough to fuck and create you, which resulted in the added expense of special education.
This does not give the government the right to control my sex life.
Smoking is degenerate.
>>55521702
mental programming
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4srWvLXZRw
>It means cigarette makers will be required to include new, larger warning graphics with more health information on their products and will be prohibited from using words like "light" and "low tar" in their marketing.
This is already a thing. It's why Marlboro "light" and "full flavor" was changed to "gold" and "red" packs.
>>55521865
people just start to pick their cigs without even looking to the packs... waste of good printing ink
>>55513417
>harmful effects of secondhand smoke
which literally don't exist
>>55513002
Why the hell do so many hipsters use those things? I thought the mouth fedora shit was a meme but I went to the midnight release of Fallout 4 with a friend and they were fucking everywhere creating clouds of vapor, like what the fuck?
>>55513591
I dislike smoking because it's bad for my health but the difference between me and some liberal faggot is that I don't push for regulation keeping you from your smokes. You're a responsible adult and should be free to make good or bad decisions.
>>55513860
holy fuck spanish is sickening
how meme can you get with a warning like that
>thiso producto causeso cancero
>>55513626
Dude, smoking ads are already outright banned on television and radio. Most forms of marketing are already fucking banned. You already can't smoke in restaurants and shit in most states.
>>55522003
It's cool. I always see vape stands in front of the trendy stores in the mall chatting up the 14 year olds that go there. I don't really care that much except when they make a fit when somebody tells them to put it away in a nonsmoking area.
>>55521772
Okay, I believe in freedom, and equality.
That means equal opportunity.
That means being able to make your own life choices.
I really don't understand why you need me to clarify this.
Lots of "progressive" causes, are contrary to one or both of these. They aren't truly progressive, but rather another agenda entirely.
These two things are NOT mutually exclusive. However we need a regulated economy to ensure that the poor have as much opportunity as the privileged, and we need to avoid becoming a dictator ship that decides people's life choices for them.
>>55516659
>Millions of people die every year from cigarette related illnesses.
no they dont. quit gagging on government dick anon.
>>55512604
>will be prohibited from using words like "light" and "low tar" in their marketing.
They have been prohibited from doing that for several years now.
The only difference is that we're probably going to get Eurofag warning labels now.
>>55521702
Cuban satire version.
Good. Tobacco is a terrible thing that should be outright banned.
>>55520946
medical daily is not a credible source you moron
>>55522631
im gonna translate it for my non spanish bros
upper top left
>death by faggotry
>please dont allow obama to pass this faggot act like he did with tabacco
>>55522578
Oh. That explains it.
>>55513067
>>55522726
No its please DO have him regulate gays.
Pointing out how Obama's "I know whats best for you" sets a precedent some may regret later.
>>55512604
This law is alreday in Europe for 2 or 4 years and I don't see any change.
>>55522668
The scientific studies it cites sure are.
>>55522631
>>55522726
it's a fucking confusing image... like the originals weren't shitty enough
Why does the government insist on alienating a whole group of people who decide what they want to do with their body? It's fucking retarded if you smoke you know the risks of it, it's embedded in everyone's mind already
>>55523190
watch, soon when they get socialized care, like they partly do with Obamacare, it WONT be your body anymore.
They'll say "well since we all pay for YOUR healthcare...its OUR BODY TOO".
>>55523190
I've always been under the impression it's a public image thing. It's good politics to make enemies.
"I worked hard to put the big bad evil tobacco companies in their place. If it weren't for me, your kids would definitely become smokers and die at 30."
>>55521830
>you should pay for me to inhale smoke causing a wide array of medical issues costing tax payers more than any other medicaid expenditure
Indeed you are fucking retarded. That or you are a filthy smoker and consequently irrelevant.
Either way, as time progresses smokers are going to be fucked. Smoking will never b e banned in America but you people are going to be anally reamed by the medical industry(financially).
In effect my opinions and desires are going to be met by legislation and policy and your own will slowly and surely be eroded away.
Thank you and have a nice night.
>>55521901
My parents smoke and always made a point to keep me away from it, but holy shit these commercials the anti-smoking people put out are so cringy and annoying I almost want to start smoking just to spite them.
>memes were a mistake
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfBAf-Jg-aU
>>55522407
You are correct. I incorrectly cited international deaths from cigarette related illnesses.
In America there are 480,000+ cigarette related deaths per year.
So, my point is well founded and remains perfectly relevant.
>>55523771
You non-smokers are costing us money by living so damn long. So go fuck yourself.
>>55521410
>Medicaid pays out 22 billion dollars a year on ciggarette related illnesses alone.
So stop paying medicaid to idiots who are knowingly giving themselves cancer.
>>55523771
Expected response from the retard.
Lost that point....lets change the subject
>>55524029
>You non-smokers are costing us money by living so damn long.
No, we aren't. We are paying more in taxes over the course of our lives.
Idon't know this for fact but I'm willing to bet on average non-smokers make more money and work longer hours meaning more taxes as well.
The exact opposite is true from what you stated. Also, I fuck myself 2-3 times a day if that makes you feel any better.
>>55524197
I am ok with that.
>>55513626
rekt
>>55524197
it actually saves the taxpayer money.
Non-smokers are more expensive than smokers due to their higher life expectancy.
>>55523985
Who gives a fuck if they die?
>>55524283
>lets ignore all the taxes smokers pay when buying cigs, I TOTALLY PAY MORE
>CURRENT YEAR
>smokes cigarettes
Lmao at white trash getting mad. This is one of the only good things Obama has done
>>55524487
They don't care if they live or die.
They don't care if they live free.
They don't calculate freedom in the quality of life.
It is not about care, it is about control.
>>55512604
>3/4 of pack is some edgy gore pic
>we need moar
>>55512604
Dennis Leary - "You could make the warning signs as big as you want. You can make the entire packaging the warning sign, BLACK, with skull and crossbones on it called DEATH and people will still smoke, okay?!"
>>55524990
That might be an effective marketing strategy.
>>55524540
A dollar per pack. Let's be serious buddy.
>>55520390
Smokers tend to have lower life expectancy, and use less healthcare over their entire lives than healthy people who will live long enough to need lots of prescriptions or surgeries like hip replacements.
>>55525991
The federal tax is a buck, the states adds more taxes on top of that.
NY state adds 4 dollars per pack.
Go to the kiddie pool debates on reddit if you are going to be this delusional.
>>55525991
Packs are 10 dollars here.
>>55514607
Suede Denim Secret Police
>>55516678
Like, BSB Nick Carter?
>>55515793
You sound like an uptight mormon grandma
>>55522002
>which literally don't exist
is this b8 or are you retarded
>>55516955
>mixed
What? I see my county as yellow but I can buy alcohol in grocery stores, including hard liquor and high gravity beer
>>55520602
As if your life is important you stupid faggot, move away if you want to pollute the air with you stupid fucking choices. We need leaders not faggots who are scared of hurting someones feelings.
>>55512604
>huh I thought this was done years ago.
>they havnt been labeled marb lights in years
>oh its from 2009
Golly Gee
>>55518508
For thou
Maybe if the control freaks put huge taxes on other things they would see just how manipulative this shit is.
If there was a $1000 dollar tax per bullet to offset the cost to society.
and
If there was a $1000 dollar tax per abortion to offset the cost to society.
Then maybe, just maybe, they could see how taxing something so high is basically the same as making it illegal.
This anti smoking shit only pushes me to keep smoking out of spite. I know its childish.
>>55517060
Im fine with the slippery slope.
Now they kill cigs, next they will go after alcohol and then weed.
>>55512604
i smoke but ill admit other countries have way better warning labels on their shit
>>55516606
But smoking is good for the country, literally.
I work in the healthcare field. 80% of all medical expenses in this country are spent on those who are age 70 or older.
All the blood you donate? goes to a senior citizen to have their hip surgery.
Organs? Usually a senior citizen.
Hospital time? Again, seniors spend decades here sucking up resources.
Medical Malpractice claims? Most (if not all of them) arise from senior citizens dying on the table.
If half the population smoked, our health and medical costs would drop precipitously because people would no longer live to 70+. Instead of hogging resources they would be fucking dead and the world could move on.
>Reduce nicotine levels in cigs
>smokers need to smoke more to get their nicotine buzz
AYYYY
>>55530302
If you want the government to be mandating labels you should probably move to one of those countries.
:^)
>>55512604
Hohoho, degenerate shitfaggot smokers BTFO.
>M-muh addiction
>It's REALLY HARRRRD to quit!
>I really like smoking! I do!
>I'm not a degenerate nigger addict!
>>55512604
Why they attack cigars and glorify pot? I don't understand, fuck these leftists.
>>55513050
Its the by products of the combustion that is carcinogenic.
Like those "additive free" america spirits that I think hipsters smoke, obviously still cause cancer.
I've also read that charring meat on a grill or BBQ is carcinogenic too...
>LEGALIZE WEED LMAO
>BAN CIGARETTES
Liberals
>>55516741
>fedora meme
I dont get it
why are they called liberals if they constantly want to regulate and tax shit
>>55512604
>Food and Drug Administration authority to regulate tobacco in the same way the government regulates breakfast cereals and pharmaceuticals
>in the same way the government regulates breakfast cereals
>government regulates breakfast cereals
>CEREALS
LAND OF THE FREE AND THE HOME OF THE BRAVE
>>55514636
>Dip
Congratulations, you're somehow even more degenerate than smokers.
