Are people born gay or do they choose to be gay?
>>55491068
yes
>>55491068
Yes.
Yep.
>>55491068
90-95% would be choose.
>>55491068
Regardless, faggotry is a mental disease
>>55491237
spotted the beached whale of a women that doesnt enjoy when 2 men pay more attention each others bodies over hers
>>55491068
It's probably a matter of factors and scale.
>Factors
Genetics, prenatal hormones, breast milk and other hormonal exposure as a child, childhood influences, adolescent sexual experimentation
>Scale
Anywhere from straight to gay, to having other predilections as well
Does this mean some high pitched adult faglord will "turn" straight with enough conditioning? No.
But there probably is some structure and malleability early on in life that could have an effect.
Why does it have to be one or the other?
>>55491324
Because /pol/ loves false dichotomies.
>>55491068
>There is no gay gene
http://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2015/10/no-scientists-have-not-found-the-gay-gene/410059/
Therefore it is a choice.
Because they are mentally ill. Never had a good relationship with their parents and/or sexually abused as a child.
When thye feel like a ladyboy it's because theyir mom produced less testosterone they required in the womb.
Of course parents known to never man up to the mistakes they made.
Twin studies suggest it is not genetic.
>>55491068
People choose to be born gay. It's a part of their soul contract.
>>55491397
Yeah but,http://www.nature.com/news/epigenetic-tags-linked-to-homosexuality-in-men-1.18530
This still doesn't exonerate gays, if anything it makes it their parents fault.
>>55491237
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRtsT0u_tgE
can't stop think about this
>>55491068
It doesn't matter. They're not animals, they can control their urges.
Sadly, fags are above society, so they just don't care about destroying it, all that matters for them is liberal feelings and their need for cock.
>>55491450
source?
I thought they DID confirm it? Doesn't someone have a higher chance of being gay if their twin is gay?
>>55491397
That's like saying
>There is no IQ gene!
>There is no crime gene!
when speaking about heritability of certain factors as they pertain to race- even though when we controlled for everything that cannot be genetic, differences still exist.
I know it's
>wikipedia
But it's a good primer on hypotheses with backing behind them. That there has always been a historical, consistent, small contingent of homosexual activity probably also indicates that some people come out of the womb predisposed to liking the same sex.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology _and_sexual_orientation
>When they feel like ladyboys it's because their moms produced less testosterone they required in the womb.
But this contradicts you when you said it was a choice. Even if was the reason, it happened way before the individual could decide for themselves.
>>55491461
>Not understanding how epigenetics works
It's usually not something that can be consciousness controlled for or against, and doesn't exactly have a 1:1 effect.
You can't be biologically gay. You are hard wired to fuck the opposite sex for your species.
>>55491068
neither
>>55491068
>Are people born gay or do they choose to be gay?
Neither. There are some predispositions, but ultimately it comes down to your sense of aesthetics and your life experiences. Some choose to be gay, most don't, but no one is born gay.
>>55491068
>Are people born gay or do they choose to be gay?
No one is born gay. A person develop homosexuality through social interactions. If you are a single father with 3 sons and 1 daughter, she'll eventually imitate masculinity. If you put a boy in a convent for 5 to 10 years, he'll grow up with femininity.
>>55491068
For me, it's largely a matter of choice. I act like a faggot and fuck men sometimes, but the latter is only because the available women are unsuitable, from standpoints of physical attractiveness and emotional stability. There is no emotional attachment, it's purely lust with men. I prefer to sleep with women and can form attachments with them, I just choose not to because there is no net benefit to doing so with the women in my society. And because gay men never hurt me or get fat. They are, in my view, far better than women my age in almost every way. Perhaps it's because my father was rarely around when I was younger, I don't know. But that wouldn't explain my strong attraction to older women...
>>55491068
>christiano ronaldo is a puppet shut down with so much money he doesnt givve a shit about anything anymore.
yes and its sad.
>>55491068
who cares?
>>55491068
Why do you care
>>55491719
copypasta from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientation#cite_note-10
Twin studies have received a number of criticisms including self-selection bias where homosexuals with gay siblings are more likely to volunteer for studies. Nonetheless, it is possible to conclude that, given the difference in sexuality in so many sets of identical twins, sexual orientation cannot be attributed solely to genetic factors.[10]
Okay it looks like what they are saying is that it's not *just* genetic.
I'm not going to argue the point, this is just from what I've read.
>>55491745
No I understand epigenetics fully well. The environment affects the expression of genes and their development through maturity.
Low micronutrition + lack of exercise + xenoestrogens in water and food= abysmal hormonal envrionment for developing children.
Does anyone think that the rate of divorces rising contributes to homosexuality? Especially with boys. If you grow up with only your mom you have no male role model to model yourself after.
>tfw gay
>tfw you wish you could be straight
>tfw you hate gays more than anything
Sue side is the only solution.
I didn't ask for this...
Probably a mental health condition, but it doesn't affect my day to day life so it is if no great concern to me.
I will answer your question. I presume it is born because the thoughts just began occurring to me naturally, there was no input and I never choose to be attracted to men. Anyway, I might as well post this here.
Is there any treatment for homosexuality which works?
I've had gay thoughts since I was about 11, when I got a crush on my friend. Over the course of many years these feelings ebbed and flowed and I was able to ignore them but now they are becoming something I think about constantly. Now hypothetically I could easily just embrace these thoughts but this is really not a solution. My parents are very devout Christians and they would not accept this sort of thing at all and I don't want to be gay.
How do I make these thoughts go away /pol/, or at least manage them?
>inb4 kill myself
Not really a solution.
>>55491068
Gotta be born in my opinion. Because I've made myself think if I could be romantic with one of my good friends. You know, do all the same stuff but while holding hands or watching tv and movies while cuddling and while that may be nice I could never go past that.
>>55491068
whatever it is, what drives them to be so flamboyant about it?
>>55491068
All gays must die.
>>55491068
It's a subconcious choice, not something you can just wake up and say "y'know, I like abs now".
The environment you're raised in takes a big toll on that. Also, the image you posted, guy dosn't look gay. Looks more like a douche Chad
some gays were born gay, and others became gay after they were molested when they were boys.
>>55491068
there's two types of people in this world; those who were molested as children and those of us who weren't.
>>55492298
I used to think this, but I have no idea how this can account for the biological element.
Your brain "learns" to defy hundreds of thousands of years of evolution? Because your body essentially wants it to?
I think it is probably more of a uncontrollable developmental flaw than an "unconcious choice".
Also it wouldn't account for the fact that gay men pick up male phermones, something only women should be able to do.
>>55491068
>this thread
How does this exact same conversation happen over and over again?
If you would pay attention to the actual psychological and scientific communities you would realize that homosexuality is epigenetic.
>>55492426
>epigenetic
So it's environmental. Thanks for your input.
>>55492426
If you have more information, a little clarification on that would be appreiciated.
What do they know?
>>55492404
>Your brain "learns" to defy hundreds of thousands of years of evolution? Because your body essentially wants it to?
You're still able to reproduce, but if your psychology does not allow you to find females attractive, no go. The body is capable but the psychology of the mind , like the programming of a computer, limits the body.
>>55492145
Do you not like titties? I don't understand how you can't get any pleasure from women. If you need a dick up your ass, just use a dildo every now and then.
>>55491967
What does that mean for gay people who grew up in a traditional family?
>>55492507
Not him but no, I don't find anything interesting in breasts and never have.
it's not hard coded in genes but it could likely be affected by epigenetics. meaning variable suppression/activation of genes that affect sex hormones and mental development. still hate political faggotry though. I dont care if someone is gay and doesnt flaunt it. I mean i dont lick my gf in public and we dont dress like fairy tale creatures and march in straight parades. would be very sad if son turned out gay cuz i wouldnt be able to relate to him. strangely wouldnt bother me that much if daughter was gay... I guess I couldnt relate that much to daughter anyway that would be wife's problem. of course id still love them but damnit i think i might lose sleep here and there over it. i would disown them if they acted like a faggot though
>>55492495
Then there must be a way to reprogram it.
The more pornography you watch, the heavier stuff you become to get attracted to, you've all seen these examples of people who can only get off to traps right here on this board.
I wonder if it could work the opposite way?
Gay twin studies completely disprove born this way.
>>55492601
>>Then there must be a way to reprogram it.
Probably, but that would be an ethical clusterfuck that I'm not even going to touch, because if you make available the reprogramming of people's personality, what's next? Their opinions? beliefs? politics?
Individuality is what makes us human.
>>55492595
that being said i do believe some people "choose" to be gay aka its their fetish after being traumatized and no longer knowing how to deal with the opposite sex. those people could probably benefit from treatment since its probably just a psychosis.
im a medical student btw
>>55492537
Doesn't exist. All homosexuals were abused by older family members when they were young. I'm talking 100% senpai
>>55492689
I was never abused.
>>55492711
>>55492689
Same.
>>55492689
>that claim
if your claim can be wrecked by someone saying "prove it", it's shit.
>>55492711
I was abused but more in the beating the shit out of me kind of way
>>55492711
Yes, you were, faggot. You've probably just repressed the memory. All faggots were molested.
I view it as being a lot like the sense of taste. There are food items most people love the taste of, like chocolate, that others can't stand, and things most people hate (like black licorice) that others deliberately seek out. You don't choose whether or not something tastes delicious or foul to you when you eat it - it just does.
Sometimes people do develop preferences for or aversions to foods based on certain experiences. For example, my dad never eats jello because one time when he was a kid he binged on it and threw it all up. But plenty of times it's just what comes most naturally to the individual.
>>55492775
Well I had that but I thought he meant sexually abused.
>>55492802
I have no memory of ever being abused. You are just asserting something and when told contradictory anecdotes you just use this to maintain your discounted premise.
>>55492847
yeah, thought so too.
>tfw look like you play hockey because dad liked to use rings as brass knuckles
>>55491831
>You can't be born without a debilitating mutation guys!
kek
>>55492802
Nice that you would take such a view about abused kids.
What's sister fucking like, Cletus?
>>55491068
Both.
A few start off liking dudes from the start, others turn gay
>>55492004
You don't act like a faggot, you are a faggot. Kill yourself.
>>55491068
>Are people born gay or do they choose to be gay?
It's a sliding scale, fool. There's a tiny minority who're born that way and a large majority with gay tendencies who settle on one or the other. Or, of course, those who practice both.
What about those married 40 year old men who suddenly decide they prefer cock? Brains change over time. Our preferences change.
I used to really like thin girls with pretty faces and nice legs. I started working out and although I still like those girls, I've grown to appreciate fit, toned girls with nice bums.
>>55491068
thry were born to chose to gayout
>>55491068
They choose to act on the homosexual feelings
nothing's stopping a man who can be attracted to other men from still marrying a woman
>>55493190
>that false equivalency
Changing your preference from in-shape girl to more in-shape girl isn't even in the same universe as changing your preference from females to males. I mean I don't disagree with you necessarily, but that's not the best example to use.
>>55493305
well, except the whole love thing.
>People who think people choose their sexuality
Yeah tell that to people who get murdered because of ir.
I'm sure they think to themelves:
>Hey i want to be gay so i can et beat up and killed in some countries
Also what i dont get :
There are hundred (confirmed ) other mammels that experience homosexuality ( lions for example ).
So how can fucking animals choose something non productive?
>>55493305
What about the not finding women attractive issue?
they chose to think they were born this way
>>55491068
>or or
Binare thinking.
We have all ways here
1 propaganda
2 imprint in 2 month age
3 DNA mutation
4 in past live to be a woman and love that
>>55491068
>implying free choice exists
>>55491068
bit of both
>>55491068
bisexuals choose to be gay
>>55491068
you can't be born gay like you can't be born straight.
Its taste developed through experience. Some people change, others don't.
You either see an attractive women and want to put seed in her so you can reproduce.
You just feel an IMPULSE and NEED to do that.
OR YOU DON'T
The whole gay discussion is obsolete as it doesn't lead to new life.
If it's fun to take a dick up the ass and get all the sex in the world any time you want
AND a stronger economy in a 2 male relationship is a whole other story.
Do you see the female form? Does it attract you and make you think of fucking?
You are normal as nature intended.
>>55492255
It is because their seksualtiy is fuxked
Fags act like girls
And dykes act like man.
It is a mental disorder closely related to transgenederism like a clusterfuck.
If people can choose to love hairy man ass they are pretty fucking strong willed.
I'd fear them more than skinheads or nigger gangs if it were true.
Are forum sliders born that way or do they choose to be that way??
>>55493343
Male of female homoseksuality?
>>55493672
That's some god awful photoshop.
>>55493827
louis cucck king tier argument
>>55493190
They're just bisexuals who get bored of their wives sexually (like all men do) and then start cruising for dick exclusively after 10-15 years of straight sex.
It's just marital boredom and making up for lost dick.
They choose to be homosexual because they enjoyed being persecuted and murdered worldwide, for centuries. It's a thing, you wouldn't get it.
Anything that would be opposite to a biological imperative would have to be a choice. I'd accept a gay gene or some other mutation but the gays are vehemently opposed to that idea for some fucking reason.
>>55494132
If a gay gene is discovered, chances are couples will select against it and abort gay fetuses.
Would make for fun abortion debates in your country.
>>55494132
>Anything that would be opposite to a biological imperative would have to be a choice.
>this level of autism
Are you suggesting people born with genetic defects choose to be born like that? What are you stupid or something?
>>55492167
People who have strong homosexual urges but manage to control them are infinitely more brave than any fag who 'came out'.
>>55491068
> born gay or choose
There is tons of evidence for both, meaning homosexuality is a disorder with multiple possible causes. There are a number of borderline and psychotic disorders that incvolve homosexual obsession, ideation, or acting out.
> These are often associated with sexual abuse during childhood.
There are also identifiable differences in the brains of homosexuals, so they can be spotted with high probability from brain scans.
Also, trangenderism is likely similar, with identifiable brain regions associated with particular dysphorias (transgender, Body Integrity Disorder, Cotard Delusion). Each has a different affected region of the brain.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_integrity_identity_disorder
Transgender (gender dysphoria) can be supressed effectively with pimozide.
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8839957
inb4
> beeing born straight or gay, either is "natural"
Ebola is also natural, "natural" is a meaningless term. An organism that is only sexually attracted to partners it can't reproduce with is a sub-optimal organism. Whether their presence harms or benefits the genepool of other organisms is a debate, but it's always going to be a reproductive disorder from the perspective of the individuals DNA.
The amount of resources required to gestate, birth, and raise an organism that doesn't want to procreate is bad accounting in terms of reproductive fitness
> http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/the-intelligent-homosexuals-guide-to-natural-selection-and-evolution-with-a-key-to-many-complicating-factors/
> http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/is-homosexuality-a-choice/.
>>55491068
>Are people born [some religion or political ideology], or do they choose to be [some religion or political ideology]?
Neither, in one sense. Both, in another.
>>55491068
As far as I can tell, sexuality itself is molded by parental factors and the environment in which a person grew up.
However, the decision to act on sexuality is always a choice. "Being gay", (acting on homosexual feelings), is always a choice; homosexuals merely believe the choice is an easy one so they act on their urges. Heterosexuals obviously feel that the choice is also easy and choose not to "be gay" because the urges they have are heterosexual.
Kinda like how being fat is a choice. Nobody forces you to eat too much.
It's just up to every individual to healthily manage his or her urges.
Our society generally discourages healthy self-denial, though. We see a lot of self-indulgence of all kinds these days as a result.
>>55491068
Both.
They choose not to live a decent life as an upstanding normal person, but instead actively decide to behave like a degenerate subhuman who eats feces and gets AIDS.
Everyone has a choice.
